The pictures on the Mint's website shows the same Type 1 obverse that was previously sold as being the same Type 1 obverse in the 2021 two coin 1/10 oz. American Gold Proof.
I will agree that the obverse between the Type 1 and Type 2 are different.
The Mint's pictures may be incorrect, however, I assume that the Type 1 obverse that we've previously seen is the same in the two coin set...
@Halfpence said:
I think I figured the differences between this type 1 and the previously offered type 1 coin. See below from the Mint's website:
"The 2021 obverse design on the new coin features the same Augustus Saint-Gaudens’ full- length figure of Liberty with flowing hair. For the 2021 coin, the United States Mint returned to its original historical assets in 2020 to render a closer reflection of Saint-Gaudens’ original vision and detail."
See below pics of the two obverses. There are slight differences. The differences are easier to see if you toggle between the two images on the Mint's website.
The Mint also changed the obverses as part of the transition from from T1 to T2.
"The obverses (heads) of the redesigned American Eagle Gold and Silver Coins will continue to bear versions of the historic designs that have been featured on these coins for more than three decades. The gold coin obverse will display a refreshed depiction of the 1907 design by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens, while the obverse of the silver coin will display a refreshed depiction of the 1916 “Walking Liberty” design by famed sculptor Adolph A. Weinman."
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/united-states-mint-unveils-new-american-eagle-gold-and-silver-coin-reverse-designs
I chatted with the Mint this morning, and when I asked about the increase in mintage for the 2021 type 1 proof 1/10 oz by 5,000, they disconnected with me.
@Halfpence said:
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
I chatted with the Mint this morning, and when I asked about the increase in mintage for the 2021 type 1 proof 1/10 oz by 5,000, they disconnected with me.
@Halfpence said:
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
I chatted with the Mint this morning, and when I asked about the increase in mintage for the 2021 type 1 proof 1/10 oz by 5,000, they disconnected with me.
If I recall there was was a product limit of 8000 and mintage of 16,200 I don’t think that has changed has it?
No, but they sitar to be striking 21,200 coins
8000 singles already sold, 8200 four piece sets already sold, and 5000 upcoming in the 2 piece set.
@Halfpence said:
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
I chatted with the Mint this morning, and when I asked about the increase in mintage for the 2021 type 1 proof 1/10 oz by 5,000, they disconnected with me.
If I recall there was was a product limit of 8000 and mintage of 16,200 I don’t think that has changed has it?
No, but they sitar to be striking 21,200 coins
8000 singles already sold, 8200 four piece sets already sold, and 5000 upcoming in the 2 piece set.
@GRANDAM said:
Are these 1/10 oz 2 coin sets the same finish as the other 1/10 oz coins? If so I see no big deal on the packaging.
They said the same thing about the 8-8-08 Double Prosperity Sets, that half ounce Buffalo sold out and these babies flew off the shelves, for a week, then the Mint pulled them. I got my set for $1,028 SCORE!😊
@GRANDAM said:
Are these 1/10 oz 2 coin sets the same finish as the other 1/10 oz coins? If so I see no big deal on the packaging.
They said the same thing about the 8-8-08 Double Prosperity Sets, that half ounce Buffalo sold out and these babies flew off the shelves, for a week, then the Mint pulled them. I got my set for $1,028 SCORE!😊
I had one of those sets also,,,,,, sold it but don’t remember what I got for it.
I'm going to try for this one, have some friends trying also.
In case I don't get one in the almost certain crapshoot tomorrow at noon - any guesses on what dealers will be paying over mint price/selling for retail?
I dont think I've seen advertised buy/sell prices.
@RedSeals said:
I'm going to try for this one, have some friends trying also.
In case I don't get one in the almost certain crapshoot tomorrow at noon - any guesses on what dealers will be paying over mint price/selling for retail?
I dont think I've seen advertised buy/sell prices.
There's not guarantee that dealers want any part of this. The only option is to grade them. You then have to get enough 70s and hope there are enough people that want to pay $800 to $1000 for set with a label difference to make it worthwhile. The price points on this are too high to make them very profitable.
I'll pay $550 per set, if anyone wants to lock in.
@ricko said:
I thought the 'product limit' of 5000 only applied to the two coin set....not the mintage limit. Cheers, RickO
That's what I thought as well.
Please forgive my ignorance, but I do not understand this concept.
If the T2 coin in 21XK is the same as the one in 21EFN and 21EEN, why wouldn't the 5,000 units associated with 21XK be included in the "mintage limit"?
If the T2 coin in 21XK is the same as the one in 21EFN and 21EEN, why wouldn't the 5,000 units associated with 21XK be included in the "mintage limit"?
Pinehurst just sent email…$50 bucks over price. Pass
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@RedSeals said:
I'm going to try for this one, have some friends trying also.
In case I don't get one in the almost certain crapshoot tomorrow at noon - any guesses on what dealers will be paying over mint price/selling for retail?
I dont think I've seen advertised buy/sell prices.
There's not guarantee that dealers want any part of this. The only option is to grade them. You then have to get enough 70s and hope there are enough people that want to pay $800 to $1000 for set with a label difference to make it worthwhile. The price points on this are too high to make them very profitable.
I'll pay $550 per set, if anyone wants to lock in.
@RedSeals said:
I'm going to try for this one, have some friends trying also.
In case I don't get one in the almost certain crapshoot tomorrow at noon - any guesses on what dealers will be paying over mint price/selling for retail?
I dont think I've seen advertised buy/sell prices.
There's not guarantee that dealers want any part of this. The only option is to grade them. You then have to get enough 70s and hope there are enough people that want to pay $800 to $1000 for set with a label difference to make it worthwhile. The price points on this are too high to make them very profitable.
I'll pay $550 per set, if anyone wants to lock in.
The only difference is the packaging and chance at a signed COA. Unless, they planned on unveiling a secret enhanced proof that will make these sets very exclusive. Chances of a sellout is 100% with perhaps a lucky few that get one early in the morning.
Passing entirely. Gonna go all in on the peace and two coin ASE which I am afraid they are going to count as the true end of type 1
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With no difference in the eagles, is there anything compelling about this set aside from the signed COAs?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Dirt94 - spot on comment - lots of talk about hating the mint, never buying again, etc. but the mint keeps selling out in minutes. I think they call that a love/hate relationship…..
@Mgarmy said:
Pinehurst just sent email…$50 bucks over price. Pass
Pass on selling it to Pinehurst or buying it at all?
I'm not buying... and I buy everything. Lol
Now that the sale is 15+ mins out...have you changed your mind??
Somehow, I'm thinking you just might pull the trigger...just to see if you can be one of the 5k to get one!
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The pictures on the Mint's website shows the same Type 1 obverse that was previously sold as being the same Type 1 obverse in the 2021 two coin 1/10 oz. American Gold Proof.
I will agree that the obverse between the Type 1 and Type 2 are different.
The Mint's pictures may be incorrect, however, I assume that the Type 1 obverse that we've previously seen is the same in the two coin set...
I wish there were not. I assume they are...
The Mint also changed the obverses as part of the transition from from T1 to T2.
"The obverses (heads) of the redesigned American Eagle Gold and Silver Coins will continue to bear versions of the historic designs that have been featured on these coins for more than three decades. The gold coin obverse will display a refreshed depiction of the 1907 design by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens, while the obverse of the silver coin will display a refreshed depiction of the 1916 “Walking Liberty” design by famed sculptor Adolph A. Weinman."
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/united-states-mint-unveils-new-american-eagle-gold-and-silver-coin-reverse-designs
"Legacy details have been restored for the obverse design to include modifications to the Capitol Building, stars, torch, sun rays, and other design elements based on the original bronze cast."
Source: https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2021-one-tenth-ounce-gold-proof-coin-21EEN.html?cgid=2021-product-schedule
I think that what you are seeing is the expected difference between the T1 and T2 versions of the obverse.
A 'Coin World' article that details the difference between the two obverses can be found here.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
I chatted with the Mint this morning, and when I asked about the increase in mintage for the 2021 type 1 proof 1/10 oz by 5,000, they disconnected with me.
If I recall there was was a product limit of 8000 and mintage of 16,200 I don’t think that has changed has it?
Link to thread when released
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1053594/the-official-american-eagle-2021-gold-proof-coin-s-thread-mint-hi-res-images-posted/p1
EDITED to add link.
No, but they sitar to be striking 21,200 coins
8000 singles already sold, 8200 four piece sets already sold, and 5000 upcoming in the 2 piece set.
Ah...sorry for my confusion.
New article on these coins, confirming what we all knew about the mintage. The Mint still has not updated the mintage on their website.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/one-tenth-ounce-coins-offered-in-two-coin-gold-set?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=Weekly
They said the same thing about the 8-8-08 Double Prosperity Sets, that half ounce Buffalo sold out and these babies flew off the shelves, for a week, then the Mint pulled them. I got my set for $1,028 SCORE!😊
Ever Onward
I had one of those sets also,,,,,, sold it but don’t remember what I got for it.
I was extremely lucky on that set, I still have it too.
Ever Onward
I'm going to try for this one, have some friends trying also.
In case I don't get one in the almost certain crapshoot tomorrow at noon - any guesses on what dealers will be paying over mint price/selling for retail?
I dont think I've seen advertised buy/sell prices.
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Shouldnt it be showing the price by now since it goes on sale tomorrow?
The price will be $645.00
The United States Mint will publish the price a little after 2:00 ET...
I haven't seen any buy offers yet for this one. I'll pass unless I see one before it goes on sale.
the capitol mint usually sends me buy offers day of realease
There's not guarantee that dealers want any part of this. The only option is to grade them. You then have to get enough 70s and hope there are enough people that want to pay $800 to $1000 for set with a label difference to make it worthwhile. The price points on this are too high to make them very profitable.
I'll pay $550 per set, if anyone wants to lock in.
"shiny silver coins" get milky spots over time.
That's what I thought as well.
Please forgive my ignorance, but I do not understand this concept.
If the T2 coin in 21XK is the same as the one in 21EFN and 21EEN, why wouldn't the 5,000 units associated with 21XK be included in the "mintage limit"?
no one knows.
mint math?
Pinehurst just sent email…$50 bucks over price. Pass
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$50 will barely cover shipping and insurance.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
I appreciate the sanity check.
Paying $50 Over Mint Issue Price Per Two-Coin Set, Plus A Free, Fully Insured Shipping Label!
Pass on selling it to Pinehurst or buying it at all?
Do I get a kiss first ?
Hey, that's $190 over melt.
The only difference is the packaging and chance at a signed COA. Unless, they planned on unveiling a secret enhanced proof that will make these sets very exclusive. Chances of a sellout is 100% with perhaps a lucky few that get one early in the morning.
Price is officially listed as $645.
I'm not buying... and I buy everything. Lol
Passing entirely. Gonna go all in on the peace and two coin ASE which I am afraid they are going to count as the true end of type 1
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Until the 25th anniversary resurrection
Thought we did that one already…five coin set
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Kiss was a deal breaker I guess.
Passing because I'm out of funds and there are other future offerings that I'm more interested in.
So these are the same coins that were for sale individually right? Only thing about the set is a hand signed COA?
They don't all have hand signed COAs. Only 100 of them
There will be 5,000 COAs. The Mint doesn't say how many Ryder hand signed COA's there are, only "a limited quantity"..
EDITED TO SAY There WILL be 100 signed COA's. Thanks MetroD for pointing out My Error...
With no difference in the eagles, is there anything compelling about this set aside from the signed COAs?
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so hardly anyone on here is going to buy one and they still sell out in 6 minutes
From a Mint e-mail I received 08/02/21:
Sounds about right. Everyone on here always talks that they are not getting them then they turn around and buy it.
I'm still on the fence. Try or not in ~25 min?
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The email they sent said 100
Edited to add: oops. I missed @MetroD post
Interesting.
I wonder if their COA program would serve as a pseudo-special label for the set?
Dirt94 - spot on comment - lots of talk about hating the mint, never buying again, etc. but the mint keeps selling out in minutes. I think they call that a love/hate relationship…..
We just need to admit we are hooked and chill out
Now that the sale is 15+ mins out...have you changed your mind??
Somehow, I'm thinking you just might pull the trigger...just to see if you can be one of the 5k to get one!
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