Anyone who may have bought items , the auctioneer has stopped shipping and is refunding. If you already received your items, I would call and request a refund but wouldn’t wait
@gaspipe26 said:
Anyone who may have bought items , the auctioneer has stopped shipping and is refunding. If you already received your items, I would call and request a refund but wouldn’t wait
@baz518 said:
So I assume the consignor of these items is under FBI scrutiny at this point? Isn't it illegal to sell known fraudulent items across state lines... especially a million+ dollars worth? Did this guy have a huge inventory and searched/resealed it all before consigning or are the wrappers/boxes suspect as well??
All the consignor would have to do is say "we didn't know exactly what the items were, so we consigned them to an auction company and relied upon their expertise".
And if the auction company made no guarentees as to authenticity, or was selling all items "as is", they would technically be free from legal liability.
It would be very tricky to prove an intent to commit fraud, unless it was found out that the auction company was made aware of the "bad" items before the auction, and did nothing about it.
No matter what, the auction company made many bad decisions handling the auction.
Just for the record, this was Steve's direct quote when he reached out to me knowing I had been interested in purchasing boxes if he acquired any from this auction. Initially he told me about how he was prevented from inspecting or bidding on anything from the auction and therefore did not acquire anything from it. This was a follow up to warn me away from buying anything else from the auction...
"Someone who won 10 boxes of unopened 1974 through 1980 just flew in to have me authenticate. All resealed garbage. Had an assortment of years and sports. All bad. Whoever did this scheme did a good job at resealing them too. But none-the-less......all bad. If you know anyone who bid and won, you may want to relay this to them."
No doubts about his position on the material. The only good thing he had to say about it was in a follow up message where he said these 10 were resealed better than the 18 he inspected a few days later from another buyer. Anyone who is considering buying anything from the auction hoping some of it is good should consider this:
0-28 boxes passed authentication
Obvious issues with the tape on boxes/cases as posted earlier in this thread
Authenticators had been prohibited from inspecting the inventory before sale or bidding on it during the auction
@handyman said:
Denying someone who can authenticate the items seems to be a big issue whoever decided that. Consignor or auctioneer. SOmeone made the call
There’s apparently two sides to that story but we haven’t heard the second side yet
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
probably a 35 hundred bill right there.
I feel like I was there
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
probably a 35 hundred bill right there.
You left out the part where he starts a thread on the B/S/T forum (that he has since deleted) right after he wins bragging about his secret Krusty the clown/Sideshow Bob auction house winnings and offering a presale on them.
@handyman said:
He even put in the Ebay listings which offered no return as well. 1973 1st series "Wrap it and make some money"
and what was his haul from that place? 10 73 boxes, 1 fun bag, and some hockey?
i can safely and proudly state that i've never subbed a bonk box for wrapping. what's steve charge on all this? i know the rate for good boxes, which includes wrapping obviously. but what's the fee if the boxes are bad?
Wow, glad I found this post. I reached out on May 5 & asked if gaspipe would be willing to ship the box to BBCE if I purchased it. See response below. Unbelievable. Never get cheated.
@handyman said:
He even put in the Ebay listings which offered no return as well. 1973 1st series "Wrap it and make some money"
and what was his haul from that place? 10 73 boxes, 1 fun bag, and some hockey?
i can safely and proudly state that i've never subbed a bonk box for wrapping. what's steve charge on all this? i know the rate for good boxes, which includes wrapping obviously. but what's the fee if the boxes are bad?
Though many people say that he should, Steve does not charge any fee at all if the box does not pass authentication. I can't think of anyone else in this hobby who would not charge for his time in a case like that.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
probably a 35 hundred bill right there.
Pretty sure it’d be “Runnin’ Down A Dream” playing but otherwise, yeah.
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
probably a 35 hundred bill right there.
Pretty sure it’d be “Runnin’ Down A Dream” playing but otherwise, yeah.
good call! but now you got me thinking he had the "greatest hits" album in the cd player. and the track listing went perfect w this entire debacle:
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
probably a 35 hundred bill right there.
Pretty sure it’d be “Runnin’ Down A Dream” playing but otherwise, yeah.
good call! but now you got me thinking he had the "greatest hits" album in the cd player. and the track listing went perfect w this entire debacle:
the waiting is the hardest part
i need to know
you wreck me
don't do me like that
even the losers
while my guitar gently weeps
crawling back to you
i won't back down
bonus tracks:
time to move on
don't come around here no more
I see you left " You don't have to live like a refugee" off the list. LOL
Man that is a leap of faith going from "had reservations" to these are "resealed garbage". What a bobsled ride to hell
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Francart said:
Wow, glad I found this post. I reached out on May 5 & asked if gaspipe would be willing to ship the box to BBCE if I purchased it. See response below. Unbelievable. Never get cheated.
Oy vey.
Kiss me once, shame on you. Kiss me twice.....let's party.
That exchange is damning. However I doubt it will hurt gaspipe. Similar evidence came to light on emails from PWCC asking a consigner to bid on their own card. They also made a video talking about trimming er as they call it “conservation” of cards and how great that is for the hobby. Very few collectors have chosen to boycott PWCC and this story was published all over the place including many newspapers and a well done piece in The Athletic. So far only those who read this thread are aware of what happened.
@brad31 said:
That exchange is damning. However I doubt it will hurt gaspipe. Similar evidence came to light on emails from PWCC asking a consigner to bid on their own card. They also made a video talking about trimming er as they call it “conservation” of cards and how great that is for the hobby. Very few collectors have chosen to boycott PWCC and this story was published all over the place including many newspapers and a well done piece in The Athletic. So far only those who read this thread are aware of what happened.
I totally hate this statement; but I agree. Gaspipe could probably list some PSA 8s of 1960s HOFs and it would be a feeding frenzy for Great Whites on the BST forum. I think he's a SNAKE. In a business setting involving lots of money, how does one get their integrity back?? To me it really can't be done. To much trust with buying and selling cards and he is obviously a SNAKE.
At least we didn't get an illness in the family excuse and his internet has been down for 17 days excuse. Or he's been in the hospital for the last 3 weeks
@gaspipe26 said:
Anyone who may have bought items , the auctioneer has stopped shipping and is refunding. If you already received your items, I would call and request a refund but wouldn’t wait
I hope the auctioneer requires you to return 100% of what you purchased before any refund is issued.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
the fact that this dude is still inhaling the air around here is rather remarkable i'd say
one would think that setting up shop across the street and attempting to fleece members to the tune of five figures would be grounds for being punted into the mesosphere
gaspipe should screenshot the messages he sent to the buyers of his garbage informing them that they are not authentic. And then post the screenshots here.
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Yup and yup
gaspipe sold a fun bag?
if so, has he reached out to that individual to express what has been conveyed and provide them w/ a return label free of charge?
hopefully so and you're not leaving them holding the bag. fun pun definitely intended.
An expensive one too. 1980 bk fun bag. I think 7k is what he sold it for
Sorry 6,000 sold April 3rd
The auction with all these boxes didn't end until April 25th
I’m wrong again. On my phone. Sorry sold April 30th forgot the 0
Anyone who may have bought items , the auctioneer has stopped shipping and is refunding. If you already received your items, I would call and request a refund but wouldn’t wait
So are you letting your buyers decide if they are legit or are you contacting them over the fun bag?
can you say the same?
how much was made from the sale? anyone know that off the rip?
3500 profit
wow.
This is why I only play with fun bags that I have known for an extended time
Lol!!
Here is the sales data I pulled from the site in case the AH pulls the site down. I did not save images.
All the consignor would have to do is say "we didn't know exactly what the items were, so we consigned them to an auction company and relied upon their expertise".
And if the auction company made no guarentees as to authenticity, or was selling all items "as is", they would technically be free from legal liability.
It would be very tricky to prove an intent to commit fraud, unless it was found out that the auction company was made aware of the "bad" items before the auction, and did nothing about it.
No matter what, the auction company made many bad decisions handling the auction.
Denying someone who can authenticate the items seems to be a big issue whoever decided that. Consignor or auctioneer. SOmeone made the call
methinks the next time a collector eschews plausible deniability and admits to being a sack will be the very first time
Just for the record, this was Steve's direct quote when he reached out to me knowing I had been interested in purchasing boxes if he acquired any from this auction. Initially he told me about how he was prevented from inspecting or bidding on anything from the auction and therefore did not acquire anything from it. This was a follow up to warn me away from buying anything else from the auction...
"Someone who won 10 boxes of unopened 1974 through 1980 just flew in to have me authenticate. All resealed garbage. Had an assortment of years and sports. All bad. Whoever did this scheme did a good job at resealing them too. But none-the-less......all bad. If you know anyone who bid and won, you may want to relay this to them."
No doubts about his position on the material. The only good thing he had to say about it was in a follow up message where he said these 10 were resealed better than the 18 he inspected a few days later from another buyer. Anyone who is considering buying anything from the auction hoping some of it is good should consider this:
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There’s apparently two sides to that story but we haven’t heard the second side yet
no wonder its crickets.
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
probably a 35 hundred bill right there.
I feel like I was there
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Thanks. Fixed it. My maths aren't done good on a Friday afternoon.
no wonder its crickets.
can only imagine booking flights, sitting thru auctions in anticipation, the feeling of “score”, feeling all giddy w loot preciously packed in the overhead bin, landing, heading straight to the truck, securing said “score”, then speeding to steve while singing loudly to tom petty’s “free fallin” playing on the radio. pull in, park, unloading said “score” again, sitting there, nervous as all get out and then “BAM”. the news of death. then that god awful long drive home. then talking self into still selling a “fun bag”.
probably a 35 hundred bill right there.
You left out the part where he starts a thread on the B/S/T forum (that he has since deleted) right after he wins bragging about his secret Krusty the clown/Sideshow Bob auction house winnings and offering a presale on them.
He even put in the Ebay listings which offered no return as well. 1973 1st series "Wrap it and make some money"
@Dgofwinter
and what was his haul from that place? 10 73 boxes, 1 fun bag, and some hockey?
i can safely and proudly state that i've never subbed a bonk box for wrapping. what's steve charge on all this? i know the rate for good boxes, which includes wrapping obviously. but what's the fee if the boxes are bad?
If that’s true that would be really, really terrible of him to do.
Wow, glad I found this post. I reached out on May 5 & asked if gaspipe would be willing to ship the box to BBCE if I purchased it. See response below. Unbelievable. Never get cheated.
prosecution rests.
eta: i count 5, possibly 6 lies in that one short response. but let's just say 5. that's plenty as is.
Though many people say that he should, Steve does not charge any fee at all if the box does not pass authentication. I can't think of anyone else in this hobby who would not charge for his time in a case like that.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Pretty sure it’d be “Runnin’ Down A Dream” playing but otherwise, yeah.
That eBay message is as criminal as it gets. With all this evidence we may never (hopefully) hear from him again.
Nothing more to say here. Seller knew he had garbage and still willing to sell it on ebay.
good call! but now you got me thinking he had the "greatest hits" album in the cd player. and the track listing went perfect w this entire debacle:
the waiting is the hardest part
i need to know
you wreck me
don't do me like that
even the losers
while my guitar gently weeps
crawling back to you
i won't back down
bonus tracks:
I see you left " You don't have to live like a refugee" off the list. LOL
Man that is a leap of faith going from "had reservations" to these are "resealed garbage". What a bobsled ride to hell
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Oy vey.
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
That exchange is damning. However I doubt it will hurt gaspipe. Similar evidence came to light on emails from PWCC asking a consigner to bid on their own card. They also made a video talking about trimming er as they call it “conservation” of cards and how great that is for the hobby. Very few collectors have chosen to boycott PWCC and this story was published all over the place including many newspapers and a well done piece in The Athletic. So far only those who read this thread are aware of what happened.
I totally hate this statement; but I agree. Gaspipe could probably list some PSA 8s of 1960s HOFs and it would be a feeding frenzy for Great Whites on the BST forum. I think he's a SNAKE. In a business setting involving lots of money, how does one get their integrity back?? To me it really can't be done. To much trust with buying and selling cards and he is obviously a SNAKE.
At least we didn't get an illness in the family excuse and his internet has been down for 17 days excuse. Or he's been in the hospital for the last 3 weeks
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There are always snakes among us... sometimes it takes years to flush them out.
How long before the well crafted fake apology? That seems like the likely next step in the playbook.
I hope the auctioneer requires you to return 100% of what you purchased before any refund is issued.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
@sswipe26?
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oops, nevermind
the fact that this dude is still inhaling the air around here is rather remarkable i'd say
one would think that setting up shop across the street and attempting to fleece members to the tune of five figures would be grounds for being punted into the mesosphere
Or open the packs and build some collector grade VG-EX sets.
gaspipe should screenshot the messages he sent to the buyers of his garbage informing them that they are not authentic. And then post the screenshots here.