@Overdate said:
A household order limit of 1 or 2 would be even better.
Better for who?
Better for collectors who want a fair chance to successfully order a coin or two from the Mint for their collections before a premature sellout. Even better would be for the Mint to accept all orders for a limited time, say a week or two. This method worked well for the 1998 Kennedy set.
My guess is that many will get a chance at 175,000. I'm curious to see what happens, especially for the "CC".
These should not be included in the original Morgan dollar registry set. I consider these, to be Modern Silver, a designation also subject to debate. The classic set of 100 year+ Morgan dollars should be kept stand alone.
PCGS has a complete modern silver set which includes all US Minted silver coins and medals from 1971-date. I expect these will be included in that set, which I collect.
Since the 2021's are also a special set of coins, I think they should also have their own "Modern Silver Dollar" registry set to keep them connected to the classics by design, but also to allow future modern dollar type coins to be included without messing with the classics.
The modern silver eagles with the type 1 design from 1986-2021 registry set should also be locked down, just like the classic Morgan's. New silver eagles should now have a separate registry set 2021-present for type 2 coins.
There will be a subset in the registry for a complete set of Morgan and Peace dollars that include the 2021 (and beyond?) issues and subsets in the registry that don't include them (classic series). This will satisfy more people, provide a sense of set/series completion at any level and allow PCGS and the market to gain new customers.
The 2021 issues are a potential gateway drug to the entire silver dollar run from 1878-1935.
As for including these coins in a 21st century type set, that is a question for another thread.
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No, but there is a separate set available for them, too.
I believe there should be a separate set of only the classic Morgan's available, a separate set of all Morgan's that include the 2021's, and a separate set for just the 2021's. They have separate sets of Kennedy's with and without the gold one, so this approach seems to be win win for everyone IMO.
There are all these Morgan dollar sets in the PCGS Registry. As far as the new 2021 versions, when they ever actually mint them, I am sure they will be included in several the Morgan series of registry sets below, and probably some new ones, as they should be.
Morgan Dollars - Major Sets (2,637 sets)
Set Name Sets
Morgan Dollars Date Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 1057
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 993
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) - CAC 17
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 374
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) - CAC 10
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Proof (1878-1904) 28
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Proof (1878-1904) - CAC 5
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Proof (1878-1921) 15
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1878-1921) 72
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1878-1921) - CAC 4
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1878-1921) 62
Morgan Dollars - Specialty Sets (2,238 sets)
Set Name Sets
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 61
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) - CAC 5
Morgan Dollars Prooflike with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 28
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Only Date Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 31
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Only Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 26
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Only with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 15
Morgan Dollars Top 100 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 54
Morgan Dollars Top 100 plus Hot 50 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 40
Morgan Dollars Hot 50 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 13
Morgan Dollars Hit List 40 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 27
Morgan Dollars Major VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 27
Morgan Dollars Super Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 70
Morgan Dollars Complete VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 22
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties and Branch Mints, Proof (1878-1921) 6
Morgan Dollars Complete Variety Set and Branch Mints, Proof (1878-1921) 4
Morgan Dollar Mintmark Type Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 1559
Morgan Dollars 8TF VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 24
Morgan Dollars 7TF VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 20
Morgan Dollars 7/8TF VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 27
Morgan Dollars Long Arrow Shaft VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 20
Morgan Dollars 1879-S R78 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1879) 16
Morgan Dollars Overdate VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1880) 19
Morgan Dollars O/S VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1882) 22
Morgan Dollars Oval O VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1888) 13
Morgan Dollars Micro O VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1899) 26
Morgan Dollars O/CC VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1900) 20
Morgan Dollars Thornhead Set, Circulation Strikes (1921-S) 16
Morgan Dollars GSA Hoard Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1891) 19
Morgan Dollars GSA Hoard with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1891) 8
@Goldminers said:
Is the 2021 minted for circulation?
No
Were the 40% silver Ikes and the 1973-PD clad Ikes minted for circulation? No.
As you correctly point out my circulation comment was irrelevant to the thread question. I tried to make it clear in my other posts that of course these are Morgan's in some form. I listed above dozens of Morgan registry sets proofs, VAM's, GSA's, etc. These new Morgan's are just another "version" that will end up being combined in some sets, but probably kept separate in others.
So to answer the OP, yes they should be part of a series with Morgan Dollars as the first two words, but I think that some registry sets should just have the classics as an option, and a set should also be made that only has the new ones as well.
And I just looked at Type sets in the registry. There are a lot of them: complete type sets by strike type, by metal, by date ranges, by Century, by design, by Dansco 7070, by mint, and by denomination. So yes to answer your other question, yes these new Morgan's are obviously another type and should be in some of the type sets as well.
There will probably be a new privy type set as well.
A collection should be comprised of what you want to be in there, just as grading remains subjective.
I like to relate the idea to the different manufacturers of albums and folders. Some books skip over issues that otherwise are included. For example Dansco albums that include Proof-only issues but omit pre-1965 proofs.
I think the matter of whether these 2021 issues should be included is a decision to be made by the individual. If the Mint goes ahead and produces issues for 2022 and beyond, they can be considered a continuation of the series but referred to as a subset described as "Morgan Dollars, 2021-Date" and "Peace Dollars, 2021-Date"
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After reflection and reading a lot of opinions, I don’t think they should be part of the classic series. While there are some legal things that are similar between the issues the purpose and intent is sufficiently different, IMO, to warrant it being separated into its own class.
From the registry and album point of view the answer is easy: have the classic set and then a separate extended set.
Sets vs series. Certainly they overlap, but sets, in this forum, refers to PCGS-defined registry sets. And there are some excellent responses addressing the series vs set issue just above.
I make this distinction because there is no PCGS registry set limited to the Carson City mint-specific Morgan series. So, from the perspective of sets, it is moot whether the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan is considered part of a CC Morgan series.
That said, I do not consider the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan as part of a CC Morgan series. The 2021 CC privy marked Morgan was not minted in Carson City and was not struck on silver from the Comstock lode. A 2021 recognition of a CC series minted between 1878 and 1893 makes no sense from a perspective of date significance.
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I think a real test would be IF the companies like Whitman, Dansco, etc. add them to new albums, then yes. That way they would sell more albums to keep up with the demand, which would include the new coins. The grading companies would grade them as regular coins and not “ just” a commemorative status. Does anyone know if they will have the same finish as the 1921 Pease dollar, or like that of the SMS coins of late?
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For reference, these are the PCGS First Strike submission numbers:
O privy 877715
S 877716
CC privy 877717
P 877718
D 877719
Peace 877720
So far no posted starting First Strike date has been indicated. All graded as of this morning in Coin Facts are "Advance Release" 70's which use a different PCGS number.
And interestingly, all 6 are currently classified at PCGS as COMMEMORATIVES. 100th Anniversary, not Morgan or Peace dollars.
@SPalladino said:
That said, I do not consider the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan as part of a CC Morgan series. The 2021 CC privy marked Morgan was not minted in Carson City and was not struck on silver from the Comstock lode. A 2021 recognition of a CC series minted between 1878 and 1893 makes no sense from a perspective of date significance.
@SPalladino said:
That said, I do not consider the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan as part of a CC Morgan series. The 2021 CC privy marked Morgan was not minted in Carson City and was not struck on silver from the Comstock lode. A 2021 recognition of a CC series minted between 1878 and 1893 makes no sense from a perspective of date significance.
They should have overstruck some real CC coins
I can’t wait to see what d.Carr or Ron Landis have in mind 😉
@SPalladino said:
That said, I do not consider the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan as part of a CC Morgan series. The 2021 CC privy marked Morgan was not minted in Carson City and was not struck on silver from the Comstock lode. A 2021 recognition of a CC series minted between 1878 and 1893 makes no sense from a perspective of date significance.
They should have overstruck some real CC coins
I can’t wait to see what d.Carr or Ron Landis have in mind 😉
@SPalladino said:
That said, I do not consider the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan as part of a CC Morgan series. The 2021 CC privy marked Morgan was not minted in Carson City and was not struck on silver from the Comstock lode. A 2021 recognition of a CC series minted between 1878 and 1893 makes no sense from a perspective of date significance.
They should have overstruck some real CC coins
I can't wait to get the ones that I ordered. And thank you for being part of the offering!
That said, some of Dan's recent cancelled CC die production were overstruck on "1878-1921 Morgan Dollars", but I figure that mine will not be overstruck on a CC Morgan. Of course, maybe someone on the inside might have had one overstruck on a CC Morgan? However, even absent the overstrike on a CC Morgan dollar, these recent cancelled die over-strikes carry more connection to the CC Mint than the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan ever could be.
Lastly, I do not see these very special DC pieces as CC anniversary pieces. Dan did a CC Sesquicentennial Medal, which honors the first production / opening of the CC Mint, but that really has nothing to do with CC Morgans, given that they were striking Seated Liberty Dollars in 1870. The time for a CC Morgan anniversary would be 1978, 2028, or 2078 (for the first CC Morgan), or 1993, 2043, or 2093 (for the last CC Morgan).
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@SPalladino said:
That said, I do not consider the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan as part of a CC Morgan series. The 2021 CC privy marked Morgan was not minted in Carson City and was not struck on silver from the Comstock lode. A 2021 recognition of a CC series minted between 1878 and 1893 makes no sense from a perspective of date significance.
They should have overstruck some real CC coins
I can't wait to get the ones that I ordered. And thank you for being part of the offering!
That said, some of Dan's recent cancelled CC die production were overstruck on "1878-1921 Morgan Dollars", but I figure that mine will not be overstruck on a CC Morgan. Of course, maybe someone on the inside might have had one overstruck on a CC Morgan? However, even absent the overstrike on a CC Morgan dollar, these recent cancelled die over-strikes carry more connection to the CC Mint than the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan ever could be.
Agree. It's pretty incredible to have something struck by original CC dies in 2021. The CC and S two mint restrike is cool too.
Lastly, I do not see these very special DC pieces as CC anniversary pieces. Dan did a CC Sesquicentennial Medal, which honors the first production / opening of the CC Mint, but that really has nothing to do with CC Morgans, given that they were striking Seated Liberty Dollars in 1870. The time for a CC Morgan anniversary would be 1978, 2028, or 2078 (for the first CC Morgan), or 1993, 2043, or 2093 (for the last CC Morgan).
I'm happy with the following 2020 CC Mint Sesquicentennial struck on a 1890-CC Morgan. I thought about having a Seated Dollar over struck to go with this one, but settled for just this one
But do proofs and a reverse proof, also a one ounce bullion coin thickening the planchet. Continue the series and keep the mintages down to retain value. It would be a home run for the hobby and Mint.
It seems grossly over priced / over promoted. I think will come down soon. Horrible investment.
A friend got ripped really bad on a Desegration PCGS 70 Dollar that went for only $35 in an eBay auction of his. He said he had $66 in it was furious. I think he got only $25 on a 1994 PCGs 69 soccer dollar. Never seen him so angry. That’s what $10 over melt? Lost money on it too. And they have generic Morgan’s bid way up - get outta here - crazy🐸.
I guess like roaches the quote trolls will now come out. They remind me of the griefers in GTAO.
Weiss said end of story.
So stop yelling from your front yard.
Welcome the new kids into your baggy, toned, spotted, dinged, worn out and boring neighborhood!
So the Morgan/Peace new issues are as well, that does not mean you cannot collect them as you wish.
Will the TPGs do combo holders? That would be interesting, combine the highest value MS grades, classic and modern, impress your friends, collect 'em trade 'em.
I will consider the CC privy Morgan to be part of the CC Morgan series that I assembled. That is my decision. I really do not give an obese rodents derriere what others do. My collection, my choice. Cheers, RickO
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My guess is that many will get a chance at 175,000. I'm curious to see what happens, especially for the "CC".
Part of the series, or stand alone... I do not care, I will get one....
Cheers, RickO
These should not be included in the original Morgan dollar registry set. I consider these, to be Modern Silver, a designation also subject to debate. The classic set of 100 year+ Morgan dollars should be kept stand alone.
PCGS has a complete modern silver set which includes all US Minted silver coins and medals from 1971-date. I expect these will be included in that set, which I collect.
Since the 2021's are also a special set of coins, I think they should also have their own "Modern Silver Dollar" registry set to keep them connected to the classics by design, but also to allow future modern dollar type coins to be included without messing with the classics.
The modern silver eagles with the type 1 design from 1986-2021 registry set should also be locked down, just like the classic Morgan's. New silver eagles should now have a separate registry set 2021-present for type 2 coins.
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Should the 2021 Morgan Dollar be considered part of the Morgan dollar series?
Related question, for those of us who consider the 2021 Morgan/Peace dollars to be part of their respective series:
Should the 2021 Morgan/Peace dollars be included in a 21st Century type set?
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No
There will be a subset in the registry for a complete set of Morgan and Peace dollars that include the 2021 (and beyond?) issues and subsets in the registry that don't include them (classic series). This will satisfy more people, provide a sense of set/series completion at any level and allow PCGS and the market to gain new customers.
The 2021 issues are a potential gateway drug to the entire silver dollar run from 1878-1935.
As for including these coins in a 21st century type set, that is a question for another thread.
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Sure, why not, let it be ****OFFICIAL****
I agree with the classics should be left alone. They could create a new modern set that is separate from the classic series.
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Why on earth would this Morgan dollar be collected with the Morgan dollar series? Who would do such a thing?
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Is the 2021 minted for circulation?
No
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Were proof Morgan dollars minted for circulation?
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No, but there is a separate set available for them, too.
I believe there should be a separate set of only the classic Morgan's available, a separate set of all Morgan's that include the 2021's, and a separate set for just the 2021's. They have separate sets of Kennedy's with and without the gold one, so this approach seems to be win win for everyone IMO.
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So I've given the reasons the 2021 Morgan dollars should be considered part of the Morgan dollar series, of which they definitely are:
Let's list the reasons why the 2021 Morgan dollars shouldn't be considered part of the Morgan dollar series, of which they definitely are:
Further: PCGS and NGC will encapsulate and grade these. The Red Book will include them.
Verdict:
They are part of the Morgan dollar series. And they are by definition and fact some of the most rare Morgan dollars in the series.
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Sure. Why not? Composition changes aren't anything new.
..................Arrow/Rays, etc.......
I sure wouldn't get hung up on "legitimacy."
Historical legitimacy, another issue.
No one will look askance at a complete Morgan set if it doesn't have the 2021.
Welll...... that might be stretching.... heh
There are all these Morgan dollar sets in the PCGS Registry. As far as the new 2021 versions, when they ever actually mint them, I am sure they will be included in several the Morgan series of registry sets below, and probably some new ones, as they should be.
Morgan Dollars - Major Sets (2,637 sets)
Set Name Sets
Morgan Dollars Date Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 1057
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 993
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) - CAC 17
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 374
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) - CAC 10
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Proof (1878-1904) 28
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Proof (1878-1904) - CAC 5
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Proof (1878-1921) 15
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1878-1921) 72
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1878-1921) - CAC 4
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1878-1921) 62
Morgan Dollars - Specialty Sets (2,238 sets)
Set Name Sets
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 61
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) - CAC 5
Morgan Dollars Prooflike with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 28
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Only Date Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 31
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Only Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 26
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Only with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 15
Morgan Dollars Top 100 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 54
Morgan Dollars Top 100 plus Hot 50 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 40
Morgan Dollars Hot 50 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 13
Morgan Dollars Hit List 40 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 27
Morgan Dollars Major VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 27
Morgan Dollars Super Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 70
Morgan Dollars Complete VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 22
Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties and Branch Mints, Proof (1878-1921) 6
Morgan Dollars Complete Variety Set and Branch Mints, Proof (1878-1921) 4
Morgan Dollar Mintmark Type Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) 1559
Morgan Dollars 8TF VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 24
Morgan Dollars 7TF VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 20
Morgan Dollars 7/8TF VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 27
Morgan Dollars Long Arrow Shaft VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1878) 20
Morgan Dollars 1879-S R78 VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1879) 16
Morgan Dollars Overdate VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1880) 19
Morgan Dollars O/S VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1882) 22
Morgan Dollars Oval O VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1888) 13
Morgan Dollars Micro O VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1899) 26
Morgan Dollars O/CC VAM Set, Circulation Strikes (1900) 20
Morgan Dollars Thornhead Set, Circulation Strikes (1921-S) 16
Morgan Dollars GSA Hoard Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1891) 19
Morgan Dollars GSA Hoard with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1891) 8
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Were the 40% silver Ikes and the 1973-PD clad Ikes minted for circulation? No.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
As you correctly point out my circulation comment was irrelevant to the thread question. I tried to make it clear in my other posts that of course these are Morgan's in some form. I listed above dozens of Morgan registry sets proofs, VAM's, GSA's, etc. These new Morgan's are just another "version" that will end up being combined in some sets, but probably kept separate in others.
So to answer the OP, yes they should be part of a series with Morgan Dollars as the first two words, but I think that some registry sets should just have the classics as an option, and a set should also be made that only has the new ones as well.
And I just looked at Type sets in the registry. There are a lot of them: complete type sets by strike type, by metal, by date ranges, by Century, by design, by Dansco 7070, by mint, and by denomination. So yes to answer your other question, yes these new Morgan's are obviously another type and should be in some of the type sets as well.
There will probably be a new privy type set as well.
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Things will become clearer as soon as the folks at the mint and who ever else calls the shots decide on continuing the Morgan’s into the future
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Fixed it for you
A collection should be comprised of what you want to be in there, just as grading remains subjective.
I like to relate the idea to the different manufacturers of albums and folders. Some books skip over issues that otherwise are included. For example Dansco albums that include Proof-only issues but omit pre-1965 proofs.
I think the matter of whether these 2021 issues should be included is a decision to be made by the individual. If the Mint goes ahead and produces issues for 2022 and beyond, they can be considered a continuation of the series but referred to as a subset described as "Morgan Dollars, 2021-Date" and "Peace Dollars, 2021-Date"
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Like it or not... the 2021 issues are certainly Morgan Dollars and Peace Dollars.
Up to you whether you want to included them in your sets of Morgan Dollars and Peace Dollars. But they are what they are!
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After reflection and reading a lot of opinions, I don’t think they should be part of the classic series. While there are some legal things that are similar between the issues the purpose and intent is sufficiently different, IMO, to warrant it being separated into its own class.
From the registry and album point of view the answer is easy: have the classic set and then a separate extended set.
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I think not.
Sets vs series. Certainly they overlap, but sets, in this forum, refers to PCGS-defined registry sets. And there are some excellent responses addressing the series vs set issue just above.
I make this distinction because there is no PCGS registry set limited to the Carson City mint-specific Morgan series. So, from the perspective of sets, it is moot whether the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan is considered part of a CC Morgan series.
That said, I do not consider the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan as part of a CC Morgan series. The 2021 CC privy marked Morgan was not minted in Carson City and was not struck on silver from the Comstock lode. A 2021 recognition of a CC series minted between 1878 and 1893 makes no sense from a perspective of date significance.
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I think a real test would be IF the companies like Whitman, Dansco, etc. add them to new albums, then yes. That way they would sell more albums to keep up with the demand, which would include the new coins. The grading companies would grade them as regular coins and not “ just” a commemorative status. Does anyone know if they will have the same finish as the 1921 Pease dollar, or like that of the SMS coins of late?
An interesting read.
I wonder if they will use the same reverse as the 2006 San Francisco Mint Commemorative or if they started from scratch?
I think it will be part of the set; even though, it is 100 years later.
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For reference, these are the PCGS First Strike submission numbers:
O privy 877715
S 877716
CC privy 877717
P 877718
D 877719
Peace 877720
So far no posted starting First Strike date has been indicated. All graded as of this morning in Coin Facts are "Advance Release" 70's which use a different PCGS number.
And interestingly, all 6 are currently classified at PCGS as COMMEMORATIVES. 100th Anniversary, not Morgan or Peace dollars.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
They should have overstruck some real CC coins
I can’t wait to see what d.Carr or Ron Landis have in mind 😉
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Here's one
And another one
And another...
I can't wait to get the ones that I ordered. And thank you for being part of the offering!
That said, some of Dan's recent cancelled CC die production were overstruck on "1878-1921 Morgan Dollars", but I figure that mine will not be overstruck on a CC Morgan. Of course, maybe someone on the inside might have had one overstruck on a CC Morgan?
However, even absent the overstrike on a CC Morgan dollar, these recent cancelled die over-strikes carry more connection to the CC Mint than the 2021 CC privy marked Morgan ever could be.
Lastly, I do not see these very special DC pieces as CC anniversary pieces. Dan did a CC Sesquicentennial Medal, which honors the first production / opening of the CC Mint, but that really has nothing to do with CC Morgans, given that they were striking Seated Liberty Dollars in 1870. The time for a CC Morgan anniversary would be 1978, 2028, or 2078 (for the first CC Morgan), or 1993, 2043, or 2093 (for the last CC Morgan).
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Agree. It's pretty incredible to have something struck by original CC dies in 2021. The CC and S two mint restrike is cool too.
I'm happy with the following 2020 CC Mint Sesquicentennial struck on a 1890-CC Morgan. I thought about having a Seated Dollar over struck to go with this one, but settled for just this one
IT'S A TRIBUTE COIN.
Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.
Alas, I think it is a commemorative.
But do proofs and a reverse proof, also a one ounce bullion coin thickening the planchet. Continue the series and keep the mintages down to retain value. It would be a home run for the hobby and Mint.
No way - it is a modern commem.
It seems grossly over priced / over promoted. I think will come down soon. Horrible investment.
A friend got ripped really bad on a Desegration PCGS 70 Dollar that went for only $35 in an eBay auction of his. He said he had $66 in it was furious. I think he got only $25 on a 1994 PCGs 69 soccer dollar. Never seen him so angry. That’s what $10 over melt? Lost money on it too. And they have generic Morgan’s bid way up - get outta here - crazy🐸.
I guess like roaches the quote trolls will now come out. They remind me of the griefers in GTAO.
One can still hope to find one in a Coinstar reject bin someday...
NO, NO, NO
Isn’t it a commemorative?
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
So is the 1921 peace dollar.
Interesting. As an example of one thing I have learned ,instead of asking you folks I will research it. I didn’t know that.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
The 1932 Washington quarter is also a commemorative.
Yup.
And the Anthony dollar... well, that was just a bad idea.
After seeing images of the "S" mint Morgan, there can be no doubt. This is part of the series. Full stop. End of discussion.
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This is my strong argument. No. Because I said so.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Nope. Neither is the Peace.
Weiss said end of story.
So stop yelling from your front yard.
Welcome the new kids into your baggy, toned, spotted, dinged, worn out and boring neighborhood!
Why not.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
The 1848 CAL $2.5 is a commemorative.
So the Morgan/Peace new issues are as well, that does not mean you cannot collect them as you wish.
Will the TPGs do combo holders? That would be interesting, combine the highest value MS grades, classic and modern, impress your friends, collect 'em trade 'em.
I will consider the CC privy Morgan to be part of the CC Morgan series that I assembled. That is my decision. I really do not give an obese rodents derriere what others do. My collection, my choice. Cheers, RickO
No by far. The Morgan Dollar series ended in 1921.
It’s simply a mod commem.