@Mickey71 said:
I actually think OPC was printed at 1% of the print run of Topps. Can't be 10%. You almost never see OPC vintage. The quality of OPC is sometimes terrible too. I like the vintage stars.
I would say 5 - 10%. So I will average it and 7.5% LOL!! If you go by grading, which isn't maybe the best way but a way. The 7.5% is a close approximation.
@Mickey71 said:
I actually think OPC was printed at 1% of the print run of Topps. Can't be 10%. You almost never see OPC vintage. The quality of OPC is sometimes terrible too. I like the vintage stars.
I would say 5 - 10%. So I will average it and 7.5% LOL!! If you go by grading, which isn't maybe the best way but a way. The 7.5% is a close approximation.
For every small group of OPC's I see....I see thousands of TOPPS. If I see 100 1971 Aaron's I would expect to see 7-10 OPC?? I say no way. Maybe 2-3% is as high as I would believe. Very few dealers have any inventory of OPC. I'm talking pre 1975.
The color on 1965 OPC looks great. Might be an outlier among the older sets but have several and the color looks as good or better than their Topps counterparts.
@Mickey71 said:
I actually think OPC was printed at 1% of the print run of Topps. Can't be 10%. You almost never see OPC vintage. The quality of OPC is sometimes terrible too. I like the vintage stars.
I would say 5 - 10%. So I will average it and 7.5% LOL!! If you go by grading, which isn't maybe the best way but a way. The 7.5% is a close approximation.
For every small group of OPC's I see....I see thousands of TOPPS. If I see 100 1971 Aaron's I would expect to see 7-10 OPC?? I say no way. Maybe 2-3% is as high as I would believe. Very few dealers have any inventory of OPC. I'm talking pre 1975.
You could be right. So many of the OPC were miscut, a bunch of them just aren't graded. 1976 and 1974 certainly are very rare. 1972 and 1973 are little more plentiful. 1970 seems rare as well as 1967, in comparison with other opc years. The 1967 mantle is his lowest graded "from a pack card" by PSA (not including venezualan).
@Mickey71 said:
I actually think OPC was printed at 1% of the print run of Topps. Can't be 10%. You almost never see OPC vintage. The quality of OPC is sometimes terrible too. I like the vintage stars.
I would say 5 - 10%. So I will average it and 7.5% LOL!! If you go by grading, which isn't maybe the best way but a way. The 7.5% is a close approximation.
For every small group of OPC's I see....I see thousands of TOPPS. If I see 100 1971 Aaron's I would expect to see 7-10 OPC?? I say no way. Maybe 2-3% is as high as I would believe. Very few dealers have any inventory of OPC. I'm talking pre 1975.
Weren't they mostly distributed in Canada? We really need Tom's @tsalems1 opinion here.
@Mickey71 said:
I actually think OPC was printed at 1% of the print run of Topps. Can't be 10%. You almost never see OPC vintage. The quality of OPC is sometimes terrible too. I like the vintage stars.
I would say 5 - 10%. So I will average it and 7.5% LOL!! If you go by grading, which isn't maybe the best way but a way. The 7.5% is a close approximation.
For every small group of OPC's I see....I see thousands of TOPPS. If I see 100 1971 Aaron's I would expect to see 7-10 OPC?? I say no way. Maybe 2-3% is as high as I would believe. Very few dealers have any inventory of OPC. I'm talking pre 1975.
Weren't they mostly distributed in Canada? We really need Tom's @tsalems1 opinion here.
Print production in my opinion changed year to year. There is no way to know what was printed compared to Topps and most say 5%-10%-15% or anywhere in between.
I say year to year on what is more difficult as opposed to putting a percentage because certain years are just much harder to find than others.
1967 OPC is the most difficult
1974 is right behind
1971 The most highly collected in my opinion and high numbers are in high demand in all conditions by set collectors but I do see these easier overall to find than 1967 and 1974.
1965 high numbers also shorter supply
1966/1968/1969 I would stick here
1970/1976 High grade cards in these 2 years are not easy to find
1973/1975
1972 much easier to find than any other year 1976 and earlier, by far
1977 on up, far more available but still shorter supply than Topps. Not a clue what percentage it might be
This above is my opinion based on my finding from years of traveling through Canada from Vancouver to Quebec and everywhere in between. Also by what people have offered me through our website as we get call from up there all the time.
@Mickey71 said:
I actually think OPC was printed at 1% of the print run of Topps. Can't be 10%. You almost never see OPC vintage. The quality of OPC is sometimes terrible too. I like the vintage stars.
I would say 5 - 10%. So I will average it and 7.5% LOL!! If you go by grading, which isn't maybe the best way but a way. The 7.5% is a close approximation.
For every small group of OPC's I see....I see thousands of TOPPS. If I see 100 1971 Aaron's I would expect to see 7-10 OPC?? I say no way. Maybe 2-3% is as high as I would believe. Very few dealers have any inventory of OPC. I'm talking pre 1975.
Weren't they mostly distributed in Canada? We really need Tom's @tsalems1 opinion here.
Print production in my opinion changed year to year. There is no way to know what was printed compared to Topps and most say 5%-10%-15% or anywhere in between.
I say year to year on what is more difficult as opposed to putting a percentage because certain years are just much harder to find than others.
1967 OPC is the most difficult
1974 is right behind
1971 The most highly collected in my opinion and high numbers are in high demand in all conditions by set collectors but I do see these easier overall to find than 1967 and 1974.
1965 high numbers also shorter supply
1966/1968/1969 I would stick here
1970/1976 High grade cards in these 2 years are not easy to find
1973/1975
1972 much easier to find than any other year 1976 and earlier, by far
1977 on up, far more available but still shorter supply than Topps. Not a clue what percentage it might be
This above is my opinion based on my finding from years of traveling through Canada from Vancouver to Quebec and everywhere in between. Also by what people have offered me through our website as we get call from up there all the time.
You wont get better information than this...Tom is the expert here...
Thanks Tom. The 1967 OPC Mantle is way underpriced right now. Absolutely imposssible to find high grade ones. I think there is a 7 on EBAY, but probably not for long.
@olb31 said:
1973 opc psa 8 schmidt sold for $1,500. 1975 Yount psa 8 sold for $550. 1969 opc psa 8 AAron sold for $2,000.
The Schmidt and Yount at those prices was a steal.
Thanks bought the Schmidt with the 8% EBay Bucks promotion yesterday. However, it says a lot about demand that it was on my watch list for a month and a half and nobody purchased it. My history with OPC is I can always wait for the next promotion because they sell slowly. It is also the highest ever paid for the card. Hasn’t arrived yet but here is the Schmidt. Think it is a strong 8. I am excited to add it.
The Schmidt is a great card. Lots of people buy based on past sales. OPC's are so rare sometimes there i nothing to compare. The Supply helps with value but hurts with comparables. So, it's hard for a lot of people to shell out the $1500 for such a great card because of the unknown. I still feel like that the 1992 opc and down are the ones to have for the most part. Some topps gold 1992 are good and of course, Tiffany. But for unopened and for singles they will be the ones to own. And in some cases they already are.
@craig44 said:
what is the consensus on the most valuable/desirable OPC card?
I would think the 68 ryan rookie would be at the top of the list. then maybe 60s mantle, then Schmidt and brett rookies?
that is a tremendous example!! it is so hard to place a value with the lack of comps.
what would you value this example at Tom? 10k? 15k?
Value is probably in that range. Think about this for a second though…
As much demand as there is on Ryan rookies, this card has a population of just 25 in a PSA 7 and only 13 higher
@craig44 said:
what is the consensus on the most valuable/desirable OPC card?
I would think the 68 ryan rookie would be at the top of the list. then maybe 60s mantle, then Schmidt and brett rookies?
that is a tremendous example!! it is so hard to place a value with the lack of comps.
what would you value this example at Tom? 10k? 15k?
Value is probably in that range. Think about this for a second though…
As much demand as there is on Ryan rookies, this card has a population of just 25 in a PSA 7 and only 13 higher
I would much rather have the OPC but I am working on a ‘68 HOF set so will have to buy the Topps. Have many of the rookies in both but not a big enough fan of Ryan to get the OPC. I think the value difference is because thousands of collectors are working on Topps projects and only a handful on OPC. Once I complete the three projects I am working on I might go after a HOF OPC year. Would be a fun project.
New member here, I just wanted to say that I love OPC as I am based in Canada, I collect both OPC hockey and baseball HOF rookies. Try to find a 1974 OPC Winfield and Parker rookies in PSA 8 or higher they never come up for sale! I purchased both cards in PSA 8 and will stay in my pc.
Look at the pops on Venezuelan Topps cards. They barely exist compared to Topps and even less than OPC. Look at Venezuelan '59 Mantle, Mays, 1960 Venezuelan Gibson, 1962 Venezuelan Koufax, Clemente, 1966 Venezuelan Koufax,Clemente, 1967 Venezuelan Mantle and the Retirado- these pops will blow your mind. Undervalued and rare. These are some of the rarest cards for these HOF'ers. I’ll add the 1964 Venezuelan Mantle and Mays to my list.
@jayhawke said:
Look at the pops on Venezuelan Topps cards. They barely exist compared to Topps and even less than OPC. Look at Venezuelan '59 Mantle, Mays, 1960 Venezuelan Gibson, 1962 Venezuelan Koufax, Clemente, 1966 Venezuelan Koufax,Clemente, 1967 Venezuelan Mantle and the Retirado- these pops will blow your mind. Undervalued and rare. These are some of the rarest cards for these HOF'ers.
they are very very rare. almost to rare to get an accurate assessment of their true value. but they are great investments.
Thanks! I sold my PSA 8 Mays a month ago or so and am kind of regretting it. It sat on eBay for a while and I eventually accepted an offer- I wasn't even able to get $300 for it, which sort of surprised me.
seavers cards have really gone up since his death. seaver carlton and ryan all at the same time spoiled that generation. three of the top 5 or 6 who ever pitched.
I know I'll get slack for saying this but Ryan is not in the same league as Carlton or Seaver. Those two were pitchers. Ryan struck people out and pitched 27 seasons. I know, he had so many no hitters. Go look at the list of pitchers with multiple no-hitters, Ryan not in many of their leagues. The hobby has embraced him for years. Collect what you like.
@jayhawke said:
I know I'll get slack for saying this but Ryan is not in the same league as Carlton or Seaver. Those two were pitchers. Ryan struck people out and pitched 27 seasons. I know, he had so many no hitters. Go look at the list of pitchers with multiple no-hitters, Ryan not in many of their leagues. The hobby has embraced him for years. Collect what you like.
I would agree with you and take it a step further and say Seaver was quite a bit better than Carlton.
Tom should have won the Cy Young in both 70 and 71. Seaver was a little better than Carlton in 77 and Rogers got robbed in 82 when Carlton won his final Cy Young.
I think Tom Seaver just might be the GOAT of the modern era.
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
There have been some amazing pitchers in Major League history ...but I believe only two pitchers
had 3000 strikeouts, 300 wins and an ERA of less than 3.... Walter Johnson and Tom Seaver.
I can only imagine if the Mets would have given him some decent run support those first 10 years what his win count would have been. 30 wins in a season does not seem unreasonable to me. Tom Terrific gets my vote
ryan is like marino. played on average teams, but performed like superstars. when you watched both you knew you were watching the best at their trade.i watched them both many times and usually came away very impressed.
7 no hitters in pee wee would be a fantastic accomplishment. 7 on the mlb level is completely off the charts. this record will never even slightly be approached for the rest of time.
rose hit record
henderson sb
ryan ko's and no-hitters
ripken's all-time game record, wow
thanks to tom for posting such nice cards. the palmer is awesome. i like jim, class act. now tom show us the psa 9 ryan.
I have no dog in the fight. However, I am fascinated about how the market will sort out the low-pop OPC vs. high-demand Topps cards in question. Always bet on America, but who knows?
Wish I still had it! Got rid of all my Ryan 9's including '68 many years ago to a collector in Indiana. What a mistake... but was burned by a pricey card which had been doctored. So out of anger and disappointment I sold my graded cards (but my Seavers). Could not let them go!
Took my family to Hawaii for an unbelievable vacation instead.
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I would say 5 - 10%. So I will average it and 7.5% LOL!! If you go by grading, which isn't maybe the best way but a way. The 7.5% is a close approximation.
For every small group of OPC's I see....I see thousands of TOPPS. If I see 100 1971 Aaron's I would expect to see 7-10 OPC?? I say no way. Maybe 2-3% is as high as I would believe. Very few dealers have any inventory of OPC. I'm talking pre 1975.
The color on 1965 OPC looks great. Might be an outlier among the older sets but have several and the color looks as good or better than their Topps counterparts.
You could be right. So many of the OPC were miscut, a bunch of them just aren't graded. 1976 and 1974 certainly are very rare. 1972 and 1973 are little more plentiful. 1970 seems rare as well as 1967, in comparison with other opc years. The 1967 mantle is his lowest graded "from a pack card" by PSA (not including venezualan).
1973 opc psa 8 schmidt sold for $1,500. 1975 Yount psa 8 sold for $550. 1969 opc psa 8 AAron sold for $2,000.
Weren't they mostly distributed in Canada? We really need Tom's @tsalems1 opinion here.
I collect the 1980 baseball OPC's. Love those cards.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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I love the 1971 OPC backs. Does anyone know why only some of them are similar to the above pictured Munson and some are more like the Topps issue?
The Schmidt and Yount at those prices was a steal.
The 1971 OPC high series had the different backs....looked like the Topps back only still in the yellow like the lower series OPC cards.
Print production in my opinion changed year to year. There is no way to know what was printed compared to Topps and most say 5%-10%-15% or anywhere in between.
I say year to year on what is more difficult as opposed to putting a percentage because certain years are just much harder to find than others.
1967 OPC is the most difficult
1974 is right behind
1971 The most highly collected in my opinion and high numbers are in high demand in all conditions by set collectors but I do see these easier overall to find than 1967 and 1974.
1965 high numbers also shorter supply
1966/1968/1969 I would stick here
1970/1976 High grade cards in these 2 years are not easy to find
1973/1975
1972 much easier to find than any other year 1976 and earlier, by far
1977 on up, far more available but still shorter supply than Topps. Not a clue what percentage it might be
This above is my opinion based on my finding from years of traveling through Canada from Vancouver to Quebec and everywhere in between. Also by what people have offered me through our website as we get call from up there all the time.
You wont get better information than this...Tom is the expert here...
Thanks Tom. The 1967 OPC Mantle is way underpriced right now. Absolutely imposssible to find high grade ones. I think there is a 7 on EBAY, but probably not for long.
Currently collecting the 1972 OPC's in PSA 9. Shocked there are so few.
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
Thanks bought the Schmidt with the 8% EBay Bucks promotion yesterday. However, it says a lot about demand that it was on my watch list for a month and a half and nobody purchased it. My history with OPC is I can always wait for the next promotion because they sell slowly. It is also the highest ever paid for the card. Hasn’t arrived yet but here is the Schmidt. Think it is a strong 8. I am excited to add it.
The Schmidt is a great card. Lots of people buy based on past sales. OPC's are so rare sometimes there i nothing to compare. The Supply helps with value but hurts with comparables. So, it's hard for a lot of people to shell out the $1500 for such a great card because of the unknown. I still feel like that the 1992 opc and down are the ones to have for the most part. Some topps gold 1992 are good and of course, Tiffany. But for unopened and for singles they will be the ones to own. And in some cases they already are.
1992 Ramirez, 1991 Chipper, 1990 griffey jr, thomas, walker, williams, sosa, 1989 johnson, 1987 bonds, clark, 1985 puckett, gooden, hershiser 1984 mattingly, strawberry, 1983 gwynn, sandberg
In just about every case above the opc's are the most valuable (excluding tiffant, desert shield, etc).
what is the consensus on the most valuable/desirable OPC card?
I would think the 68 ryan rookie would be at the top of the list. then maybe 60s mantle, then Schmidt and brett rookies?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
1937 OPC Bob Feller rookie for baseball.
Here are some nice examples of the color and focus changes in OPS pre and post 1972....
that is a tremendous example!! it is so hard to place a value with the lack of comps.
what would you value this example at Tom? 10k? 15k?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I was really only considering the 1965-1992 OPC run in my question. I should have been more specific.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
1987 bonds, 1983 gwynn, 1983 sandberg, 1984 mattingly, 1989 johnson, 1975 brett, 1973 schmidt, 1968 ryan, 1979 ozzie, 1978 murray, 1974 winfield
those are some of the best opc rookies
Here is another hard to find OPC. Only 6 total graded with only 2 PSA 9’s. The gray back version is very difficult to find in high grade.
Gotcha Craig. I like the V300 set - only have this one but hope to add more someday. In the era you mention would think it is the '68 Ryan.
Value is probably in that range. Think about this for a second though…
As much demand as there is on Ryan rookies, this card has a population of just 25 in a PSA 7 and only 13 higher
I would much rather have the OPC but I am working on a ‘68 HOF set so will have to buy the Topps. Have many of the rookies in both but not a big enough fan of Ryan to get the OPC. I think the value difference is because thousands of collectors are working on Topps projects and only a handful on OPC. Once I complete the three projects I am working on I might go after a HOF OPC year. Would be a fun project.
I’ve shared before so forgive me but this was a pop 1 of 8 a year ago.
New member here, I just wanted to say that I love OPC as I am based in Canada, I collect both OPC hockey and baseball HOF rookies. Try to find a 1974 OPC Winfield and Parker rookies in PSA 8 or higher they never come up for sale! I purchased both cards in PSA 8 and will stay in my pc.
Eagerly waiting to get these graded!
Those are some nice 72s.
Look at the pops on Venezuelan Topps cards. They barely exist compared to Topps and even less than OPC. Look at Venezuelan '59 Mantle, Mays, 1960 Venezuelan Gibson, 1962 Venezuelan Koufax, Clemente, 1966 Venezuelan Koufax,Clemente, 1967 Venezuelan Mantle and the Retirado- these pops will blow your mind. Undervalued and rare. These are some of the rarest cards for these HOF'ers. I’ll add the 1964 Venezuelan Mantle and Mays to my list.
they are very very rare. almost to rare to get an accurate assessment of their true value. but they are great investments.
Thanks! I sold my PSA 8 Mays a month ago or so and am kind of regretting it. It sat on eBay for a while and I eventually accepted an offer- I wasn't even able to get $300 for it, which sort of surprised me.
A couple more 72,73 OPC Seavers...
Wow you can shave with those Seaver’s. Why is #445 not a 10. ?
I cry when something is beautiful. That is TRULY beautiful.
Love those Seavers! $10 for each???
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
Those Seavers are amazing. Love this thread.
A few more vintage OPC Seavers!
seavers cards have really gone up since his death. seaver carlton and ryan all at the same time spoiled that generation. three of the top 5 or 6 who ever pitched.
I know I'll get slack for saying this but Ryan is not in the same league as Carlton or Seaver. Those two were pitchers. Ryan struck people out and pitched 27 seasons. I know, he had so many no hitters. Go look at the list of pitchers with multiple no-hitters, Ryan not in many of their leagues. The hobby has embraced him for years. Collect what you like.
I would agree with you and take it a step further and say Seaver was quite a bit better than Carlton.
Tom should have won the Cy Young in both 70 and 71. Seaver was a little better than Carlton in 77 and Rogers got robbed in 82 when Carlton won his final Cy Young.
I think Tom Seaver just might be the GOAT of the modern era.
There have been some amazing pitchers in Major League history ...but I believe only two pitchers
had 3000 strikeouts, 300 wins and an ERA of less than 3.... Walter Johnson and Tom Seaver.
I can only imagine if the Mets would have given him some decent run support those first 10 years what his win count would have been. 30 wins in a season does not seem unreasonable to me. Tom Terrific gets my vote
Hardly an 8...but when i saw this card for $150 at a show, i threw my money at the dealer!
Check the pop report on the Bert Campaneris!
ryan is like marino. played on average teams, but performed like superstars. when you watched both you knew you were watching the best at their trade.i watched them both many times and usually came away very impressed.
7 no hitters in pee wee would be a fantastic accomplishment. 7 on the mlb level is completely off the charts. this record will never even slightly be approached for the rest of time.
rose hit record
henderson sb
ryan ko's and no-hitters
ripken's all-time game record, wow
thanks to tom for posting such nice cards. the palmer is awesome. i like jim, class act. now tom show us the psa 9 ryan.
I have no dog in the fight. However, I am fascinated about how the market will sort out the low-pop OPC vs. high-demand Topps cards in question. Always bet on America, but who knows?
Wish I still had it! Got rid of all my Ryan 9's including '68 many years ago to a collector in Indiana. What a mistake... but was burned by a pricey card which had been doctored. So out of anger and disappointment I sold my graded cards (but my Seavers). Could not let them go!
Took my family to Hawaii for an unbelievable vacation instead.
Ryan was my second favorite pitcher!