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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭

    July Special (20 1996-Newer)
    Arrived: 7/13
    Logged: 7/19
    Research & ID: 7/28
    Grading: 7/29
    Assembly: 8/4
    QA1: 8/5
    QA2: 9/6
    Poppage: TBD

    Way faster than expected.

    I also had a modern single card "Value $30" which I shipped at the same time that popped last night.

  • I’ve had 2 subs at QC2 for about 10 days now. What’s the hold up??

  • @gobraves39401 said:
    I’ve had 2 subs at QC2 for about 10 days now. What’s the hold up??

    If they were newer value subs, I think they are being held there until PSA is finished the backlog. They advertised that the newer subs will not ship until the old ones are finished. There may be a 1 week period however where both are going out simultaneously.

  • @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @gobraves39401 said:
    I’ve had 2 subs at QC2 for about 10 days now. What’s the hold up??

    If they were newer value subs, I think they are being held there until PSA is finished the backlog. They advertised that the newer subs will not ship until the old ones are finished. There may be a 1 week period however where both are going out simultaneously.

    Ok. Thanks. Did not see that.

  • Popped today. 3 for 3. All 10’s.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @gobraves39401 said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @gobraves39401 said:
    I’ve had 2 subs at QC2 for about 10 days now. What’s the hold up??

    If they were newer value subs, I think they are being held there until PSA is finished the backlog. They advertised that the newer subs will not ship until the old ones are finished. There may be a 1 week period however where both are going out simultaneously.

    Ok. Thanks. Did not see that.

    Value subs are definitely shipping. A friend of mine just had grades pop on his $30 value sub from July 13. Cool for him, disappointing to say the least for people still waiting on stuff from last year. I have another economy sub that is still in R&ID that has been there over 3 weeks. My previous dozen or so econ subs would have been in grading for a week at this point. Although I will say my last econ sub hit grading and was done in just 7 days. See what happens with this one. I also noticed the "$18 July National Special" all changed to "value 1995-earlier/1996-later" now as well. Technically a higher tier so curious how quickly those move through.

    Also had a question for the group - with PSA releasing the $22 bulk level, did that move the needle for anyone? I don't think I'll be using it at all. Even my cheaper HOF cards I have for my set are borderline worth the $22 even though I don't care about the 120-150 day turnaround. I think I'll stick with $30 value or $50 economy. For an extra $8 on the value tier I get 250% more declared value and 30-60 faster turnaround. $22 for a card to take 5 months that is only worth 199 or less just isn't worth it to me. I really don't see that tier being very busy.

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Had my final order from the back log pop this week. Monday went to assembly Friday it was mailed. No up charges even though they could have. Which is much appreciated.
    Will sit back and watch how things go from here as I now have no pending orders. Hope they fix the issues with damaged corners and creases. Im still nervous to send in cards at the moment. But This last order went about how it used to go in the past.

  • @envoy982 said:

    Also had a question for the group - with PSA releasing the $22 bulk level, did that move the needle for anyone? I don't think I'll be using it at all. Even my cheaper HOF cards I have for my set are borderline worth the $22 even though I don't care about the 120-150 day turnaround. I think I'll stick with $30 value or $50 economy. For an extra $8 on the value tier I get 250% more declared value and 30-60 faster turnaround. $22 for a card to take 5 months that is only worth 199 or less just isn't worth it to me. I really don't see that tier being very busy.

    Same. I pretty much squeezed in everything I would have graded at that tier into the National special, so I've accumulated maybe like 5 cards since then that I would be willing to grade at this price. The 25 card minimum is a killer for me. I'll wait for the next price drop and/or special.

    I have some crossovers I'd like to do, but they are way too costly at this point as they make you pick Economy for those.

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have plenty to grade I just want to feel comfortable sending them in. Of the last 10 orders Ive had they all didnt go as planed I guess.Cards came back with extra wear and damage. This last order though went flawless(not the17 month wait but expected that). I dont have these back yet to see if any extra damage occurred. But the grades were about as expected. So I do have hope still.

  • This is good news! I have 2 of these $18 specials a little bit behind yours.

    Still waiting for a $30 Economy sent prior to the specials though. It appears to just be moving to the shipping stage today.

  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As someone with a $18 Special that just hit QA1 a week ago I'm a bit bummed to see yours took a month to get to QA2.

  • dmg111dmg111 Posts: 45 ✭✭✭

    My $18 Special is still in Assembly :/

  • I have two economy submissions from 6/14 and 6/17 that have been in Grading forever. We're just about at the supposed 90 day turnaround time at this point. I decided to pay for the higher economy rate just to get them done sooner. Now I see I could have waited until the offer of cheaper grading with a '120 day turnaround'. Aargh!

  • demondeacsdemondeacs Posts: 117 ✭✭✭

    @vbacon said:
    I have two economy submissions from 6/14 and 6/17 that have been in Grading forever. We're just about at the supposed 90 day turnaround time at this point. I decided to pay for the higher economy rate just to get them done sooner. Now I see I could have waited until the offer of cheaper grading with a '120 day turnaround'. Aargh!

    Same, except mine was entered 5/24. Not sure if they're lost, but since mine are Mac Jones cards I might be better off if they were lol.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @vbacon & @demondeacs That is very unusual for economy. I've had two economy subs since your entered dates that are both already returned back to me.

    Entered: 05/18/22 Grades: 06/30/22 and Entered: 08/22/22 grades: 08/30/22. I do have another economy that was received 8/19 and not entered until 9/6 that is still in R&ID for some reason which is unusual.

  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭✭

    Just had grades post for the first National Special ... best grades in a while!

    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
  • DMasciDMasci Posts: 170 ✭✭✭

    My value shows shipped as of yesterday and of course I peaked. All cards I broke out of BGS holders came back as I expected 1 grade lower, newer cards that I expected 9s on I was quite surprised to get a handful of 10s. One new 2020 Prizm card received a 6 which is very suspicious and I expect to find a damaged corner or something. Another surprise is a Topps Chrome card that is fairly off center that I added last minute to fill out the 20 card minimum.....it was one of the 10s!

  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @halosfan said:
    Just had grades post for the first National Special ... best grades in a while!

    Hey now. Don't get my hopes up! B)

  • How quickly are grades popping after moving to the Shipping stage for these value orders? My oldest one hit Shipping yesterday.

  • swish54swish54 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2022 11:10AM

    Had a PSA/DNA special pop, was a bunch of baseballs. All passed as expected. Arrived 6/15 Entered 6/28 Shipped 9/13.

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    How quickly are grades popping after moving to the Shipping stage for these value orders? My oldest one hit Shipping yesterday.

    If they hit the shipping stage the grades should already be available.

  • @jeffcbay said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    How quickly are grades popping after moving to the Shipping stage for these value orders? My oldest one hit Shipping yesterday.

    If they hit the shipping stage the grades should already be available.

    Not yet for me. It's in the Shipping stage, but the shipping stage isn't completed yet. Also, on the My Orders pages, the little green checkmark is not there yet to signify Certs Ready.

  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭✭

    @BBBrkrr said:

    @halosfan said:
    Just had grades post for the first National Special ... best grades in a while!

    Hey now. Don't get my hopes up! B)

    I have a couple more in Q1 so I hope it’s a trend

    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
  • dmg111dmg111 Posts: 45 ✭✭✭

    Some grades from a $30 value sub popped today. $15 value sub is still in assembly

  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2022 3:53PM

    The last of my March 2021 submissions is in QA check now. They really cranked these out fast in the past month. Over the last four weeks, I've had two crossovers and three vintage submissions process. I wonder if they're going to loosen the screws a bit on pricing to start replenishing their backlog? They need to keep feeding their grading room with 26,000 cards a day to keep their graders busy. $22 bulk pricing isn't going to get that done.

  • @gemint said:
    The last of my March 2021 submissions is in QA check now. They really cranked these out fast in the past month. Over the last four weeks, I've had two crossovers and three vintage submissions process. I wonder if they're going to loosen the screws a bit on pricing to start replenishing their backlog? They need to keep feeding their grading room with 26,000 cards a day to keep their graders busy. $22 bulk pricing isn't going to get that done.

    I would think the price lowering will continue to be gradual so they don’t accidentally spike demand too much. However, they should have an active special perhaps running in parallel with the $22 bulk.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @MarshallFaulk28 my understanding is that bulk will be the “lowest tier” of every day grading. There will be specials that will be cheaper but the base grading services will bottom out at bulk $22

  • I think $22 for now, but I imagine this one and all the other tiers will eventually come down. At least that’s what Nat said previously. Their demand levels at the various prices will dictate their pricing. If we keep paying the current prices, they’ll stick around a while.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    Perhaps. I have it on good authority that “you will never see a $12 rate again”. Maybe a special but I doubt that too. Personally I’d like to see a $12 90-120 day $99 max special. I’d send in a lot of cards if that happened. Of course so would everyone else and we would be back in the same backlog he’ll we’ve been in for 18 months. 😁

  • I think I tend to agree with the no more $12 prices except for specials. I could see them getting bulk down to maybe $15 in time though. They have so much more capacity right now than back then and even more coming still, so they are going to have to hit some kind of price point that keeps the pipeline constantly full.

  • shawthershawther Posts: 284 ✭✭✭

    I can’t see myself submitting for a while. The prices a still high for me. Especially if they don’t improve their customer service. The debacle that I posted about at the end of August still hasn’t been resolved. I have sent emails weekly and have tried calling multiple times. I had another teacher come watch my students a few times to call customer service as they open up. I called once 4 minutes after the lines opened to be placed 63rd on their call back list. Received a call 5 hours later while at football practice. Surely they can find people to answer phones and send emails. It’s just unacceptable. Those issues with a couple of the worst grades I’ve ever received have compounded my current disgust with PSA.

  • lots of interesting points, 1M cards a month is a lot of cards to add to the market in a shaky economy. run of the mill stuff is not going to be worth it for the resellers. so that means it would have to be a big chunk of pc stuff. it seems inevitable that prices will be lower next year. controlling with specials makes sense because once we get out of this economic funk there will be lots of demand , assuming modern holds up

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭

    On my recent 20-card sub, I received some cards in standard slabs and some in thick-card slabs. Some were from the exact same set but different slabs. What up with that? Anyone else having this happen?


  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @jeffcbay Yep and no explanation as to why. I don't know if they ran out of the other slabs that day or what.

  • Huh! That's weird. Those slabs should be for thicker cards like jersey cards. Does the card move around much in the thicker slab?

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    Huh! That's weird. Those slabs should be for thicker cards like jersey cards. Does the card move around much in the thicker slab?

    No, because the card in the thicker slab is inside a soft plastic sleeve.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @jeffcbay said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    Huh! That's weird. Those slabs should be for thicker cards like jersey cards. Does the card move around much in the thicker slab?

    No, because the card in the thicker slab is inside a soft plastic sleeve.

    I noticed the economy and regular subs get this clear plastic sheet put on top of them, it wasn't actually a sleeve. I did not get that on any of my backlog stuff from last year and it doesn't appear to be in any of my old economy ($20) sub from 2020 either. Not sure if it's new to all service levels or just $50 econ and above or if specific cards get it.

  • bighurt2000bighurt2000 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭

    That is just cheap I would contact them and tell them the card is unsalable in the current oversize
    holder. Then make them take it back and put it in the right holder and pay for all your shipping cost.
    James

  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the post ... now I have a Wooden card to go looking for!

    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bighurt2000 said:
    That is just cheap I would contact them and tell them the card is unsalable in the current oversize
    holder. Then make them take it back and put it in the right holder and pay for all your shipping cost.
    James

    That is fine until you or they accidently damage a card.

    Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.

    Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
  • @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    How quickly are grades popping after moving to the Shipping stage for these value orders? My oldest one hit Shipping yesterday.

    I don't have a lot of experience here, but I think 'Grading' is where they linger for the longest. Once you get past that it's only a few days until it's shipped.

    UPDATE: Just got on from 6/17 that moved to Assembly today.

  • @skyistumbling said:
    After roughly 3 weeks in QA1 my July special of 20 cards is finally in QA2

    2 weeks later grades just popped.

    7 10's
    6 9's
    7 8's

    Kinda disappointed with that many 8s but I know that 2020 QC on Metal Universe was pretty horrible.

  • PNWcollectorPNWcollector Posts: 311 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2022 8:53PM

    Entered on 3/30/2021 and just popped. Submitted these through @jeffv96masters . Most are about what I expected. A couple I got hammered on and didn’t see it coming. Real happy with the 68 Topps and Venezuelans.

    1 1 62435253 NEAR MINT 7 1960 Topps 10 Ernie Banks
    2 1 62435254 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1960 Topps 148 Carl Yastrzemski Rookie Star
    3 1 62435255 EXCELLENT 5 1960 Topps 200 Willie Mays
    4 1 62435256 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1960 Topps 200 Willie Mays
    5 1 62435257 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1960 Topps 250 Stan Musial
    6 1 62435258 EXCELLENT 5 1960 Topps 326 Bob Clemente
    7 1 62435259 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1960 Topps 343 Sandy Koufax
    8 1 62435260 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1960 Topps 343 Sandy Koufax
    9 1 62435261 FAIR 1.5 1960 Topps 350 Mickey Mantle
    10 1 62435262 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1964 Topps 125 Pete Rose All-Star Rookie
    11 1 62435263 EXCELLENT 5 1964 Topps 125 Pete Rose All-Star Rookie
    12 1 62435264 NEAR MINT 7 1964 Topps 150 Willie Mays
    13 1 62435265 NEAR MINT 7 1964 Topps 440 Bob Clemente
    14 1 62435266 EXCELLENT 5 1964 Topps 440 Bob Clemente
    15 1 62435267 EXCELLENT 5 1964 Topps Stand-Up Roberto Clemente
    16 1 62435268 GOOD+ 2.5 1965 Topps 477 Cardinals Rookies F.Ackley/S.Carlton
    17 1 62435269 NEAR MINT 7 1965 Topps 16 Astros Rookies J.Morgan/S.Jackson
    18 1 62435270 NEAR MINT 7 1967 Topps 355 Carl Yastrzemski
    19 1 62435271 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1968 Topps 230 Pete Rose
    20 1 62435272 EXCELLENT 5 1968 Topps 280 Mickey Mantle
    21 1 62435273 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1968 Topps 247 Reds Rookies Johnny Bench/Ron Tompkins
    22 1 62435274 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 550 Brooks Robinson
    23 1 62435275 EXCELLENT 5 1968 Venezuela Topps 50 Willie Mays
    24 1 62435276 FAIR 1.5 1968 Venezuela Topps 50 Willie Mays
    25 1 62435277 EXCELLENT 5 1968 Venezuela Topps 100 Bob Gibson

  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭

    @PNWcollector said:
    Entered on 3/30/2021 and just popped. Submitted these through @jeffv96masters . Most are about what I expected. A couple I got hammered on and didn’t see it coming. Real happy with the 68 Topps and Venezuelans.

    1 1 62435253 NEAR MINT 7 1960 Topps 10 Ernie Banks
    2 1 62435254 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1960 Topps 148 Carl Yastrzemski Rookie Star
    3 1 62435255 EXCELLENT 5 1960 Topps 200 Willie Mays
    4 1 62435256 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1960 Topps 200 Willie Mays
    5 1 62435257 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1960 Topps 250 Stan Musial
    6 1 62435258 EXCELLENT 5 1960 Topps 326 Bob Clemente
    7 1 62435259 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1960 Topps 343 Sandy Koufax
    8 1 62435260 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1960 Topps 343 Sandy Koufax
    9 1 62435261 FAIR 1.5 1960 Topps 350 Mickey Mantle
    10 1 62435262 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1964 Topps 125 Pete Rose All-Star Rookie
    11 1 62435263 EXCELLENT 5 1964 Topps 125 Pete Rose All-Star Rookie
    12 1 62435264 NEAR MINT 7 1964 Topps 150 Willie Mays
    13 1 62435265 NEAR MINT 7 1964 Topps 440 Bob Clemente
    14 1 62435266 EXCELLENT 5 1964 Topps 440 Bob Clemente
    15 1 62435267 EXCELLENT 5 1964 Topps Stand-Up Roberto Clemente
    16 1 62435268 GOOD+ 2.5 1965 Topps 477 Cardinals Rookies F.Ackley/S.Carlton
    17 1 62435269 NEAR MINT 7 1965 Topps 16 Astros Rookies J.Morgan/S.Jackson
    18 1 62435270 NEAR MINT 7 1967 Topps 355 Carl Yastrzemski
    19 1 62435271 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1968 Topps 230 Pete Rose
    20 1 62435272 EXCELLENT 5 1968 Topps 280 Mickey Mantle
    21 1 62435273 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1968 Topps 247 Reds Rookies Johnny Bench/Ron Tompkins
    22 1 62435274 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 550 Brooks Robinson
    23 1 62435275 EXCELLENT 5 1968 Venezuela Topps 50 Willie Mays
    24 1 62435276 FAIR 1.5 1968 Venezuela Topps 50 Willie Mays
    25 1 62435277 EXCELLENT 5 1968 Venezuela Topps 100 Bob Gibson

    That's a great vintage submission. Overall looks like solid grades for vintage. I guess the '60 Mantle, '65 and '68 surprised you?

  • @vbacon said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    How quickly are grades popping after moving to the Shipping stage for these value orders? My oldest one hit Shipping yesterday.

    I don't have a lot of experience here, but I think 'Grading' is where they linger for the longest. Once you get past that it's only a few days until it's shipped.

    UPDATE: Just got on from 6/17 that moved to Assembly today.

    I have 3 active submissions that are all past grading. They seem to be not breezing through any of the QA1, QA2, or shipping stages for me. Actually, of my 3 orders, I have 1 in each of those 3 stages. I'm just a little surprised that the one in Shipping has been there for I think 4 days now and hasn't budged... still the certs are not even available.

  • @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @vbacon said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    How quickly are grades popping after moving to the Shipping stage for these value orders? My oldest one hit Shipping yesterday.

    I don't have a lot of experience here, but I think 'Grading' is where they linger for the longest. Once you get past that it's only a few days until it's shipped.

    UPDATE: Just got on from 6/17 that moved to Assembly today.

    I have 3 active submissions that are all past grading. They seem to be not breezing through any of the QA1, QA2, or shipping stages for me. Actually, of my 3 orders, I have 1 in each of those 3 stages. I'm just a little surprised that the one in Shipping has been there for I think 4 days now and hasn't budged... still the certs are not even available.

    Bummer. I'm paid the higher economy price cuz it was all that was available at the time. I figured that would get me in the 90 day window, but I just passed that with only one of two going from grading to Assembly.

    I also had an auto that did just make the 90 day window. It flew pretty fast once it got to Assembly.

  • PNWcollectorPNWcollector Posts: 311 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2022 11:54AM

    @jayhawke 60 Mantle, 60 Musial, and 69 Brooks Robinson were the main ones. I actually bent the 65 Carlton while handling the card prior to shipping and just said eff it and left it in the sub.

    To a lesser degree, the lower PSA 4 60 Koufax and 4.5 60 Mays were surprises.

  • I just noticed this has gone into QA Check 2

    Quarterly Special (27 cards):
    PSA Arrived: 4/2/21
    Date Received: 5/10/21
    Research & ID: 4/9/22
    Grading: I can't remember what day it went into Grading but it has been stuck there for close to three months.

  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    my question is why are the quarterly specials all popping and progressing faster than the $30 level that was opened weeks before. I had an $18 sub pop last night, another one move to QA2 yesterday as well as another one move to QA2 today while a $30 service level sub zoomed into QA1 rapidly and still sits there going on its 2nd month in the stage? What is the reasoning behind this, like most things PSA does, it makes 0 sense.

    Looking for FB HOF Rookies
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