@wrestlingcardking said:
Having an order in QA2 for a week or more at a time may propel me to a mental health condition. I would rather have my order held up in any other stage than this one. Thanks for the update.
I am still stuck in QA2. Ugh!
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
@wrestlingcardking said:
Having an order in QA2 for a week or more at a time may propel me to a mental health condition. I would rather have my order held up in any other stage than this one. Thanks for the update.
I am still stuck in QA2. Ugh!
just remember things could always be worse, rob.
i have a single card $75 express order that arrived on 10/12 that just now hit qa1.
@wrestlingcardking said:
Having an order in QA2 for a week or more at a time may propel me to a mental health condition. I would rather have my order held up in any other stage than this one. Thanks for the update.
I am still stuck in QA2. Ugh!
just remember things could always be worse, rob.
i have a single card $75 express order that arrived on 10/12 that just now hit qa1.
I was looking for the running-average turnaround times on the pricing page and saw they were gone. When I last saw them a week or two ago, economy/regular was 68 days IIRC. I saw Indy's post that it was removed. I wonder when they'll put up the new numbers.
based off @blurryface's recent economy sub, I'm thinking PSA is working on things that arrived the last week of July or so right now.
arrived: 7/14
logged: 8/13
grading: 9/13
popped: 11/16
SO.... That would put my 9 card economy order on pace to pop maybe the first week of December when accounting for time missed next week for the holiday.
arrived 08/10/20
logged 08/31/20
grading 09/27
Hopefully they are starting to catch up a little. And I still have no clue where they are on value/bulk orders.
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 48517567 NEAR MINT 7 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Pink Camo
2 48517568 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Pink Camo
3 48517569 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Mosaic
4 48517570 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 8 LeBron James Pink Camo
5 48517571 MINT 9 2015 Panini Prizm 335 Nikola Jokic Silver Prizm
notes: the joker silver was expected, small surface scratch. it's a really tough pull. was honestly thinking it'd 8. very happy on the 9.
not sure what i missed on line 1. all in all, zero complaints.
a lot of nice cards you've gotten back in last week...either you get lucky buying raw, or you must open a lot of modern boxes to have that many Ja's, Zions, etc...
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 48517567 NEAR MINT 7 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Pink Camo
2 48517568 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Pink Camo
3 48517569 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Mosaic
4 48517570 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 8 LeBron James Pink Camo
5 48517571 MINT 9 2015 Panini Prizm 335 Nikola Jokic Silver Prizm
notes: the joker silver was expected, small surface scratch. it's a really tough pull. was honestly thinking it'd 8. very happy on the 9.
not sure what i missed on line 1. all in all, zero complaints.
a lot of nice cards you've gotten back in last week...either you get lucky buying raw, or you must open a lot of modern boxes to have that many Ja's, Zions, etc...
noticed the perfect storm coming. basketball market was on fire & international. last dance. they had the bubble which was a success. first sport back. zero college games and knew there would be little hype on upcoming draft leaving ja, zion & a stellar rookie class that resembled '18 baseballs rookie class still front and center coupled w an extremely short off season. covid had people left at home w nothing to do, nothing to bet on and flush w cash. sneaker and wall street boys moving in. so i spent the covid break strategizing and for entertainment as well jumping in breaks on instagram. and yes, purchased a lot, had a ton of fun, put in a ton of work but it seems to have been a very, very wise and perfectly timed strategy w the cards rolling back in just as the next season is about to start back up. submitted over 4000 cards and still have a ton of lower tiered cards to eventually submit. when you can buy a $800 box and have the chance to pull 20+ cards that can grade out at $500 a piece, it was a no brainer. plus, i am mainly a vintage guy but got to learn a lot of new things. amazed at how the hobby has grown and transformed. great getting outta my comfort zone / shell.
1 51967026 MINT 9 1979 Hall of Famer Jack Nicklaus
2 51967027 MINT 9 1979 Hall of Famer Arnold Palmer
3 51967028 GOOD 2 1932 Bulgaria Sport-Photo 256 Max Schmeling/Babe Ruth
4 51967029 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Barratt & Co. Ltd Famous Sportsmen 6 Jack Nicklaus
5 51967030 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Barratt & Co. Ltd Famous Sportsmen 6 Jack Nicklaus
6 51967031 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1930 Dunlop How to Improve Your Golf A.R. Bradbeer
7 51967032 EXCELLENT 5 1930 Dunlop How to Improve Your Golf R.A. Whitcombe
8 51967033 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1930 Dunlop How to Improve Your Golf F.H. Frostick
notes: was hoping for at least one more 71 jack 9, but super stoked on these dunlop's. jack & arnie hall of famers ain't too shabby either. already have the only gems though.
The timeline for Express submissions on the bubble now no longer says 15 business days but just the turn around times effected language that regular has now. Also kind of frustrating that the submission dashboard still leads you to the page that used to have days on it.
dayum! i don't think so, found 2 jacks and those hofers in a random box w a bunch of ryan's, vader's and other random stuff. very nice surprise. the dunlop's were though.
My small CC order finally got into the game.
Order Type: CC vouchers
Card total: 2
Order delivered: 10-27
Order received per PSA: 11-20
Research & ID: 11-20
Grading:
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Shipped:
Order Type: Regular Supersized
Card total: 19
Order delivered: 11-11
Order received per PSA: 11-12
Research & ID: 11-12
Grading: 11-13
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Shipped
@wrestlingcardking said:
Having an order in QA2 for a week or more at a time may propel me to a mental health condition. I would rather have my order held up in any other stage than this one. Thanks for the update.
I am still stuck in QA2. Ugh!
just remember things could always be worse, rob.
i have a single card $75 express order that arrived on 10/12 that just now hit qa1.
ok, maybe not. qa2 is the worst.
Two weeks in QA2 at the moment. I had another order go through QA1, through QA2 and to grades/shipping in a day.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Just went to enter a submission and noticed this: PSA is experiencing a high volume of submissions, and as a result, submission processing times have been impacted. From the time of delivery, it will take up to 11 weeks to enter your submission into processing.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
@ldferg said:
Just went to enter a submission and noticed this: PSA is experiencing a high volume of submissions, and as a result, submission processing times have been impacted. From the time of delivery, it will take up to 11 weeks to enter your submission into processing.
Fortunately, 11 weeks seems to be an under promise, over deliver thing at this point. I sent in 4 value orders in mid-October. PSA’s website had the 11 week disclaimer up when mine were mailed. They are all logged at this point. One took 2 weeks. The others were closer to 5 weeks.
@blurryface said:
not sure how many here have multiple orders in, but you know what would be really REALLY nice?
being able to archive your older orders. have to scroll back thru 4 pages, w/ a lot of those being completed orders, to check status on older bulk subs since status row doesn't do its job.
Not sure if anyone ever answered this point -- but if you merely tap the SHIPPED column will show any N/A open subs from the oldest to newest in descending order . Helps me to see whats open ( I know by sight what level they are). I then just check them quickly using the far right where there is a magnifier- type in my sub # and bam up pops status. Takes me about 2 minutes to check 20 different subs in their various stages.
@blurryface said:
not sure how many here have multiple orders in, but you know what would be really REALLY nice?
being able to archive your older orders. have to scroll back thru 4 pages, w/ a lot of those being completed orders, to check status on older bulk subs since status row doesn't do its job.
Not sure if anyone ever answered this point -- but if you merely tap the SHIPPED column will show any N/A open subs from the oldest to newest in descending order . Helps me to see whats open ( I know by sight what level they are). I then just check them quickly using the far right where there is a magnifier- type in my sub # and bam up pops status. Takes me about 2 minutes to check 20 different subs in their various stages.
Jeff
yes, i use that function. however w 21 back pages of completed subs dating back to '11, i'd like to just archive those similar to what most people do w their emails.
Do you not see grades until out of QA2? I have a new submission in now and it's the first one I've done in probably 4+ years so the new stage-gating is new to me.
Do you not see grades until out of QA2? I have a new submission in now and it's the first one I've done in probably 4+ years so the new stage-gating is new to me.
This is the case. You will not see grades until shipping. At least, this has been my experience and understanding. QA2 is the final stage prior to grade release. Good luck with your grades.
1 1 49166210 NEAR MINT 7 2007 Topps Rookie Card 2 Kevin Durant Orange Card
2 1 49166211 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2017 Panini Donruss 327 Patrick Mahomes II Card
3 1 49166212 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss the Elite Series 7 Patrick Mahomes II Rookies Card
4 1 49166213 GEM MINT 10 2008 Topps Chrome 24 Kobe Bryant Card
@smallstocks said:
I know someone who called this week and was told to expect it to take a full year for any value submissions.
Hmmmm. With all due respect, unless it comes directly from PSA I take these comments with a grain of salt. I personally think PSA is more ahead of the game than that.
@smallstocks said:
I know someone who called this week and was told to expect it to take a full year for any value submissions.
I hope that isn't true. Insane. I know that PSA is inundated but that simply will be unacceptable to many. I understand supply v demand, but there are two sides to that equation. Right now, the demand side is overflowing. At some point, the market typically corrects itself to become more balanced (e.g., competition enters, service improves, saturation occurs). I would never submit at the value level knowing it will take a full year. Heck, the market could certainly change over that time as might a person's life situation. Months, I certainly understand. Years, no way. I wouldn't be surprised if a new player in the grading market with big time investment backing and highly targeted marketing enters in the future.
Hopefully, PSA will catch up and I know they are trying.
right now, i'd say the average for bulk is 6-8 months from the time cards hit the door. not logged. with the price increases, elimination of the economy level for individual submitters & the holiday season upon us, i'd say that 6-8 month window will start dwindling back down to a solid 6 month avg wait time come january.
if that's accomplished consistently, i can see economy opening back up during the second quarter but bumped from a $20 for 20 day scenario to a $30 for 30. then closing economy level back down on a "need to" basis if & when things get massively overloaded again.
this is based off zero friends or inside knowledge whatsoever. more of just a hunch from a practicality level.
After sitting in QA2 for two weeks I received poppage on Sunday but it still has not shipped to date.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
@wrestlingcardking said:
After sitting in QA2 for two weeks I received poppage on Sunday but it still has not shipped to date.
Credit card issue?
no, i had an order a few days later pop and ship to me.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
waiting 6 months to a year is just discouraging for many. I have 500 plus cards at 5 months at this point. I have a friend who has 200 plus cards at the same 5-6 months. between the 2 of us, we could easily submit another 1000 cards. We haven't looked at anything or considered putting anything together as it is just discouraging to have your cards gone for so long with zero expectations of when you may get them back.
at some point, I suspect others will do the same and unless the process improves, the short term windfall will give way to long term value destruction. the increase in pricing has made many cards that were once good gambles become better cards to sell raw. if the ultra modern wave stops which anyone who has been through the highs and lows knows it will, the question becomes did psa discourage the dedicated core to the point that they no longer support the product. time will tell but i for one who has been a dedicated PSA supporter/submitter for 15 years know that I have stopped hunting and stopped culling cards for submission because it is not an enjoyable or worthwhile experience to wait 8-12 months plus to get your cars back
I am not saying the above scenario will end psa but it will likely create a period of low revenues that make the investors do drastic things and that is usually a bad situation for collectors or the product. cheers!
@beachbumcollecting said:
waiting 6 months to a year is just discouraging for many. I have 500 plus cards at 5 months at this point. I have a friend who has 200 plus cards at the same 5-6 months. between the 2 of us, we could easily submit another 1000 cards. We haven't looked at anything or considered putting anything together as it is just discouraging to have your cards gone for so long with zero expectations of when you may get them back.
at some point, I suspect others will do the same and unless the process improves, the short term windfall will give way to long term value destruction. the increase in pricing has made many cards that were once good gambles become better cards to sell raw. if the ultra modern wave stops which anyone who has been through the highs and lows knows it will, the question becomes did psa discourage the dedicated core to the point that they no longer support the product. time will tell but i for one who has been a dedicated PSA supporter/submitter for 15 years know that I have stopped hunting and stopped culling cards for submission because it is not an enjoyable or worthwhile experience to wait 8-12 months plus to get your cars back
I am not saying the above scenario will end psa but it will likely create a period of low revenues that make the investors do drastic things and that is usually a bad situation for collectors or the product. cheers!
say this w all due respect. it's time to wake up. ultra modern isn't going away and neither is a 6 month timeline. you probably don't have it, but just jump on IG and look how many accounts just for cards and breakers there are. 10s of thousands of boxes being ripped live each day. as for price points, those are only going to go back up. realize that they had to eliminate the $20 level. and why? well it wasn't because it wasn't popular. in fact, $15 bulk probably won't even be in play for much longer.
you've been sitting on the sidelines for how long just waiting for a shorter lag time and it's only gotten longer? realize this isn't 2005 anymore. so just yank those panties out, send the cards in and just get in line. prolly coulda had one of those subs back by now. again. i said with all due respect.
@beachbumcollecting said:
waiting 6 months to a year is just discouraging for many. I have 500 plus cards at 5 months at this point. I have a friend who has 200 plus cards at the same 5-6 months. between the 2 of us, we could easily submit another 1000 cards. We haven't looked at anything or considered putting anything together as it is just discouraging to have your cards gone for so long with zero expectations of when you may get them back.
at some point, I suspect others will do the same and unless the process improves, the short term windfall will give way to long term value destruction. the increase in pricing has made many cards that were once good gambles become better cards to sell raw. if the ultra modern wave stops which anyone who has been through the highs and lows knows it will, the question becomes did psa discourage the dedicated core to the point that they no longer support the product. time will tell but i for one who has been a dedicated PSA supporter/submitter for 15 years know that I have stopped hunting and stopped culling cards for submission because it is not an enjoyable or worthwhile experience to wait 8-12 months plus to get your cars back
I am not saying the above scenario will end psa but it will likely create a period of low revenues that make the investors do drastic things and that is usually a bad situation for collectors or the product. cheers!
I don't understand at all. Are you suggesting the 50% increase in prices for an ultra modern value submission has caused more people to submit? Do you really think PSA likes having boxes upon boxes of cards waiting to earn revenue, rather than have the revenue? I think PSA wants the volume to slow down so that it can get the turnover rates under control, and I'm mystified why anyone would think otherwise.
I am saying we have seen this over and over since collectibles became an investment it's only an investment when there are buyers. sure there are ton's of breakers at the moment. where were they 2-3 years ago? a year ago? there were also tons of buyers for 88 donruss and beanie babies at one point.
I do this for fun but waiting a year to get back submissions isn't fun and I have chosen not to submit. I am not alone. psa is probably fine with those decisions right now. but when the fly by night investors/breakers slow down , they will probably wish they paid a little more attention to the people that kept them in business for the last 20 years. maybe I am wrong , probably I am wrong , but I have been involved in this hobby long enough to see many boom and bust cycles so but I guess like anything else in life, we can always think this time is different.
@beachbumcollecting said:
waiting 6 months to a year is just discouraging for many. I have 500 plus cards at 5 months at this point. I have a friend who has 200 plus cards at the same 5-6 months. between the 2 of us, we could easily submit another 1000 cards. We haven't looked at anything or considered putting anything together as it is just discouraging to have your cards gone for so long with zero expectations of when you may get them back.
at some point, I suspect others will do the same and unless the process improves, the short term windfall will give way to long term value destruction. the increase in pricing has made many cards that were once good gambles become better cards to sell raw. if the ultra modern wave stops which anyone who has been through the highs and lows knows it will, the question becomes did psa discourage the dedicated core to the point that they no longer support the product. time will tell but i for one who has been a dedicated PSA supporter/submitter for 15 years know that I have stopped hunting and stopped culling cards for submission because it is not an enjoyable or worthwhile experience to wait 8-12 months plus to get your cars back
I am not saying the above scenario will end psa but it will likely create a period of low revenues that make the investors do drastic things and that is usually a bad situation for collectors or the product. cheers!
I don't understand at all. Are you suggesting the 50% increase in prices for an ultra modern value submission has caused more people to submit? Do you really think PSA likes having boxes upon boxes of cards waiting to earn revenue, rather than have the revenue? I think PSA wants the volume to slow down so that it can get the turnover rates under control, and I'm mystified why anyone would think otherwise.
well jsut read blurryface's posts, he will tell you that the volume is not going to slow no matter what they charge and it will never be under control.
I think he is also saying which is probably true but the days of the vintage set builders are done if prices will be a minimum of 15 bucks for any grade at this point. psa is evolving to satisfy what they think (what is currently) the most profitable client( pack breakers) and the rest will be put aside. maybe they will act like beckett and come out with a new line of "psa vintage grading" , who the heck knows........
@beachbumcollecting said:
. where were they 2-3 years ago? a year ago? there were also tons of buyers for 88 donruss and beanie babies at one point.
they will probably wish they paid a little more attention to the people that kept them in business for the last 20 years. maybe I am wrong, probably am wrong.
yes. yes you are.
so they weren't backed up 2-3 years ago? even amidst major controversy?
@beachbumcollecting said:
waiting 6 months to a year is just discouraging for many. I have 500 plus cards at 5 months at this point. I have a friend who has 200 plus cards at the same 5-6 months. between the 2 of us, we could easily submit another 1000 cards. We haven't looked at anything or considered putting anything together as it is just discouraging to have your cards gone for so long with zero expectations of when you may get them back.
at some point, I suspect others will do the same and unless the process improves, the short term windfall will give way to long term value destruction. the increase in pricing has made many cards that were once good gambles become better cards to sell raw. if the ultra modern wave stops which anyone who has been through the highs and lows knows it will, the question becomes did psa discourage the dedicated core to the point that they no longer support the product. time will tell but i for one who has been a dedicated PSA supporter/submitter for 15 years know that I have stopped hunting and stopped culling cards for submission because it is not an enjoyable or worthwhile experience to wait 8-12 months plus to get your cars back
I am not saying the above scenario will end psa but it will likely create a period of low revenues that make the investors do drastic things and that is usually a bad situation for collectors or the product. cheers!
I don't understand at all. Are you suggesting the 50% increase in prices for an ultra modern value submission has caused more people to submit? Do you really think PSA likes having boxes upon boxes of cards waiting to earn revenue, rather than have the revenue? I think PSA wants the volume to slow down so that it can get the turnover rates under control, and I'm mystified why anyone would think otherwise.
well jsut read blurryface's posts, he will tell you that the volume is not going to slow no matter what they charge and it will never be under control.
I think he is also saying which is probably true but the days of the vintage set builders are done if prices will be a minimum of 15 bucks for any grade at this point. psa is evolving to satisfy what they think (what is currently) the most profitable client( pack breakers) and the rest will be put aside. maybe they will act like beckett and come out with a new line of "psa vintage grading" , who the heck knows........
first of all never said "never be under control". besides, what would you define as "under control"? then we can continue w/ a discussion. until then...
but as for volume, no. i don't see it going down. not w the emergence of breakers, pokemon & mtg gaming cards becoming so popular and the emergence of non-sports cards gaining the traction they are. peruse your own board here, bum. half the threads are mtg, pokemon, wrestling and even golf card related these days. back in your day, those cards wouldn't even make up 1% of total submissions. pokémon cards themselves now have their own category. so does ultramodern. and after you've read your own board, maybe you'll realize there's tons of new posters daily and guess what? they aren't asking about your '69 topps al dark card. yes, i have a '69 al dark 9, btw. it's a special card and year, so please don't think i'm knocking what you collect one bit.
and quit being so obtuse, warden. they aren't catering to any singular segment of cards. they are catering to everyone and have even tiered the pricing accordingly. you just seem angry in general about the new kids and your subs taking an extra month or so. you want the whole beach to bum around on and i'll be first to tell you, you never had it in the first place. july 4th weekend is here for good. so either mark your spot or enjoy your mixed set w half raw half graded simply because you resist to exercise a little more patience and/or adapt. collectors of all shapes and sizes are a good thing.
someone didn't take their meds or only has it in them to be argumentative and a borderline you know what but best of luck> @blurryface said:
@beachbumcollecting said:
. where were they 2-3 years ago? a year ago? there were also tons of buyers for 88 donruss and beanie babies at one point.
they will probably wish they paid a little more attention to the people that kept them in business for the last 20 years. maybe I am wrong, probably am wrong.
yes. yes you are.
so they weren't backed up 2-3 years ago? even amidst major controversy?
exiting your lawn now.
I don't know bud, the bulk of my orders including bulk from 2018 and 2019 were done in a few weeks. the longest I ever waited was 2 months and never waited for anything to be entered from delivery so I have no idea what you are talking about.
exiting your lawn now , what the heck does that mean......
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I am still stuck in QA2. Ugh!
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
just remember things could always be worse, rob.
i have a single card $75 express order that arrived on 10/12 that just now hit qa1.
Yeah, I have a $50 1 card order arrived on 9/22, logged 10/21 and it is in r&id still.
ok, maybe not. qa2 is the worst.
1 card, $75 express level
new barcode affixed:
arrived: 10/9
logged: 11/9
grading: 11/12
popped: 11/20
1 51949005 MINT 9 2020 Panini Mosaic 222 Jalen Hurts Nebula Choice 1/1
notes: ehh. at least it'll remain highest graded, i guess.
21 card economy w/vouchers
arrived: 9/1
logged: 9/28
grading: 10/21
assembly:
QA check 1:
QA check 2:
shipping:
I was looking for the running-average turnaround times on the pricing page and saw they were gone. When I last saw them a week or two ago, economy/regular was 68 days IIRC. I saw Indy's post that it was removed. I wonder when they'll put up the new numbers.
based off @blurryface's recent economy sub, I'm thinking PSA is working on things that arrived the last week of July or so right now.
arrived: 7/14
logged: 8/13
grading: 9/13
popped: 11/16
SO.... That would put my 9 card economy order on pace to pop maybe the first week of December when accounting for time missed next week for the holiday.
arrived 08/10/20
logged 08/31/20
grading 09/27
Hopefully they are starting to catch up a little. And I still have no clue where they are on value/bulk orders.
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
pretty good call. work from the bottom up, but this may help gauge dates as well:
these are just the old $20 economy level.
2 card, $50 regular (no voucher)
barcode & box marked
arrived: 10/21
logged: 10/28
grading: 11/5
popped: 11/20
Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 51397167 GEM MINT 10. 2019 Panini Contenders Optic 135 Zion Williamson Autograph-Red
2 51397168 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Silver Prizm
notes: right one to 10. on card auto to /25.
a lot of nice cards you've gotten back in last week...either you get lucky buying raw, or you must open a lot of modern boxes to have that many Ja's, Zions, etc...
noticed the perfect storm coming. basketball market was on fire & international. last dance. they had the bubble which was a success. first sport back. zero college games and knew there would be little hype on upcoming draft leaving ja, zion & a stellar rookie class that resembled '18 baseballs rookie class still front and center coupled w an extremely short off season. covid had people left at home w nothing to do, nothing to bet on and flush w cash. sneaker and wall street boys moving in. so i spent the covid break strategizing and for entertainment as well jumping in breaks on instagram. and yes, purchased a lot, had a ton of fun, put in a ton of work but it seems to have been a very, very wise and perfectly timed strategy w the cards rolling back in just as the next season is about to start back up. submitted over 4000 cards and still have a ton of lower tiered cards to eventually submit. when you can buy a $800 box and have the chance to pull 20+ cards that can grade out at $500 a piece, it was a no brainer. plus, i am mainly a vintage guy but got to learn a lot of new things. amazed at how the hobby has grown and transformed. great getting outta my comfort zone / shell.
speaking of vintage, this is an absolute monster sub:
8 card, $75 express level
barcode/box marked
arrived: 11/05
logged: 11/10
grading: 11/11
popped: 11/20
Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 51967026 MINT 9 1979 Hall of Famer Jack Nicklaus
2 51967027 MINT 9 1979 Hall of Famer Arnold Palmer
3 51967028 GOOD 2 1932 Bulgaria Sport-Photo 256 Max Schmeling/Babe Ruth
4 51967029 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Barratt & Co. Ltd Famous Sportsmen 6 Jack Nicklaus
5 51967030 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Barratt & Co. Ltd Famous Sportsmen 6 Jack Nicklaus
6 51967031 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1930 Dunlop How to Improve Your Golf A.R. Bradbeer
7 51967032 EXCELLENT 5 1930 Dunlop How to Improve Your Golf R.A. Whitcombe
8 51967033 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1930 Dunlop How to Improve Your Golf F.H. Frostick
notes: was hoping for at least one more 71 jack 9, but super stoked on these dunlop's. jack & arnie hall of famers ain't too shabby either. already have the only gems though.
larkin in 3, 2, ...
The timeline for Express submissions on the bubble now no longer says 15 business days but just the turn around times effected language that regular has now. Also kind of frustrating that the submission dashboard still leads you to the page that used to have days on it.
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Congrats, that is a monster sub! Hoping for similar results on my Arnie
didn't realize so few had been graded on the famers
I can't believe I've found three (two Arnie, one Jack) out in the wild. Were those from Jim's collection?
My latest Arnie: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12711883/#Comment_12711883
dayum! i don't think so, found 2 jacks and those hofers in a random box w a bunch of ryan's, vader's and other random stuff. very nice surprise. the dunlop's were though.
My small CC order finally got into the game.
Order Type: CC vouchers
Card total: 2
Order delivered: 10-27
Order received per PSA: 11-20
Research & ID: 11-20
Grading:
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Shipped:
Order Type: Regular Supersized
Card total: 19
Order delivered: 11-11
Order received per PSA: 11-12
Research & ID: 11-12
Grading: 11-13
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
Shipped
Eric
Erikthredd’s MJ Collection: https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/395035
Erikthredd’s Nike Air Jordan Collection: https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/basketball/key-card-sets/nike-poster-cards-michael-jordan-1985-1992/alltimeset/408486
REC LOGGED QTY SERVICE
11/16/20 11/18/20 8 Express
06/23/20 08/17/20 50 Value 2 - Mod
06/22/20 08/14/20 30 Monthly Special 12
Two weeks in QA2 at the moment. I had another order go through QA1, through QA2 and to grades/shipping in a day.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
How were those HOF'er cards distributed? Never seen them before...
great question!
if i had to guess, i'd say by unicorn.
seriously, i haven't met anyone that actually knows for sure...
Just went to enter a submission and noticed this: PSA is experiencing a high volume of submissions, and as a result, submission processing times have been impacted. From the time of delivery, it will take up to 11 weeks to enter your submission into processing.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Fortunately, 11 weeks seems to be an under promise, over deliver thing at this point. I sent in 4 value orders in mid-October. PSA’s website had the 11 week disclaimer up when mine were mailed. They are all logged at this point. One took 2 weeks. The others were closer to 5 weeks.
Not sure if anyone ever answered this point -- but if you merely tap the SHIPPED column will show any N/A open subs from the oldest to newest in descending order . Helps me to see whats open ( I know by sight what level they are). I then just check them quickly using the far right where there is a magnifier- type in my sub # and bam up pops status. Takes me about 2 minutes to check 20 different subs in their various stages.
Jeff
yes, i use that function. however w 21 back pages of completed subs dating back to '11, i'd like to just archive those similar to what most people do w their emails.
qa2 is the worst. that's all.
Do you not see grades until out of QA2? I have a new submission in now and it's the first one I've done in probably 4+ years so the new stage-gating is new to me.
This is the case. You will not see grades until shipping. At least, this has been my experience and understanding. QA2 is the final stage prior to grade release. Good luck with your grades.
These popped today, a little all over the place
1 1 49166210 NEAR MINT 7 2007 Topps Rookie Card 2 Kevin Durant Orange Card
2 1 49166211 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2017 Panini Donruss 327 Patrick Mahomes II Card
3 1 49166212 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss the Elite Series 7 Patrick Mahomes II Rookies Card
4 1 49166213 GEM MINT 10 2008 Topps Chrome 24 Kobe Bryant Card
22 card, economy level
box marked
arrived: 7/22
logged: 8/25
grading: 9/26
popped: 11/25
1 48481240 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 248 Kevin Porter Jr. White Mosaic
2 48481241 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 219 JA Morant Green Mosaic
3 48481242 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant
4 48481243 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant
5 48481244 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson
6 48481245 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 231 Rui Hachimura Fast Break-Silver
7 48481246 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic Montage 10 LeBron James Mosaic
8 48481247 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic Stare Masters 13 LeBron James Mosaic
9 48481248 NEAR MINT 7 2019 Panini Mosaic 8 LeBron James Pink Camo
10 48481249 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 129 LeBron James Hyper Prizm
11 48481250 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 129 LeBron James Red/White/Blue Prizm
12 48481251 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 255 Rui Hachimura Red/White/Blue Prizm
13 48481252 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Red/White/Blue Prizm
14 48481253 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant Red/White/Blue Prizm
15 48481254 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 73 Andrew Wiggins Fast Break-Black 1/1
16 48481255 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic Stained Glass 1 Stephen Curry
17 48481256 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 254 Jaxson Hayes Red Prizm
18 48481257 MINT 9 2017 Panini Prizm 27 Justin Jackson Silver Prizm
19 48481258 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 133 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Silver Prizm
20 48481259 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 133 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Fast Break-Blue
21 48481260 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 152 Giannis Antetokounmpo Red Prizm
22 48481261 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 129 LeBron James
notes: kpj white mosaic is huge. wiggins 1/1 10d. not sure what i missed on line 9. 64% gem rate. but def hit the right 10s. happy thanksgiving, guys!
I know someone who called this week and was told to expect it to take a full year for any value submissions.
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
Hmmmm. With all due respect, unless it comes directly from PSA I take these comments with a grain of salt. I personally think PSA is more ahead of the game than that.
I hope that isn't true. Insane.
I know that PSA is inundated but that simply will be unacceptable to many. I understand supply v demand, but there are two sides to that equation. Right now, the demand side is overflowing. At some point, the market typically corrects itself to become more balanced (e.g., competition enters, service improves, saturation occurs). I would never submit at the value level knowing it will take a full year. Heck, the market could certainly change over that time as might a person's life situation. Months, I certainly understand. Years, no way. I wouldn't be surprised if a new player in the grading market with big time investment backing and highly targeted marketing enters in the future.
Hopefully, PSA will catch up and I know they are trying.
right now, i'd say the average for bulk is 6-8 months from the time cards hit the door. not logged. with the price increases, elimination of the economy level for individual submitters & the holiday season upon us, i'd say that 6-8 month window will start dwindling back down to a solid 6 month avg wait time come january.
if that's accomplished consistently, i can see economy opening back up during the second quarter but bumped from a $20 for 20 day scenario to a $30 for 30. then closing economy level back down on a "need to" basis if & when things get massively overloaded again.
this is based off zero friends or inside knowledge whatsoever. more of just a hunch from a practicality level.
TOTAL ITEMS
52
ARRIVED
3/11/2020
LOGGED
4/21/2020
DATE SHIPPED
N/A
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 46549734 GEM MINT 10 2013 Panini Contenders 255 Sean Monahan White Jersey-Autograph Card
2 1 46549735 GEM MINT 10 2015 SP Authentic 260 Dylan Larkin Autograph Card
3 1 46549736 GEM MINT 10 2016 SP Authentic 157 Kyle Connor Autograph Card
4 1 46549737 GEM MINT 10 2016 SP Authentic 157 Kyle Connor Autograph Card
5 1 46549738 GEM MINT 10 2016 SP Authentic 150 Matthew Tkachuk Autograph Card
6 1 46549739 GEM MINT 10 2016 SP Authentic 151 Dylan Strome Autograph Card
7 1 46549740 GEM MINT 10 2017 SP Authentic 151 Owen Tippett Autograph-Inscription Card
8 1 46549741 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 2017 SP Authentic 151 Owen Tippett Autograph Card
9 1 46549742 MINT 9 2017 SP Authentic 174 Filip Chytil Autograph Card
10 1 46549743 GEM MINT 10 2017 SP Authentic 152 Luke Kunin Autograph Card
11 1 46549744 MINT 9 2018 SP Authentic 165 Eeli Tolvanen Autograph Card
12 1 46549745 GEM MINT 10 2018 SP Authentic 165 Eeli Tolvanen Autograph Card
13 1 46549746 GEM MINT 10 2018 SP Authentic 165 Eeli Tolvanen Autograph Card
14 1 46549747 MINT 9 2017 Upper Deck 219 Alex Formenton UD Exclusives Card
15 1 46549748 MINT 9 2017 O-Pee-Chee Platinum Rookie Autograph R-LB Logan Brown Seismic Gold Card
16 1 46549749 GEM MINT 10 2017 O-Pee-Chee Platinum Rookie Autograph R-an Alexander Nylander Seismic Gold Card
17 1 46549750 GEM MINT 10 2017 Ultimate Collection 80 Kailer Yamamoto Autograph Card
18 1 46549751 GEM MINT 10 2017 Ultimate Collection 91 Alex DeBrincat Autograph Card
19 1 46549752 MINT 9 2017 Ultimate Collection 94 Owen Tippett Autograph Card
20 1 46549753 GEM MINT 10 2017 Ultimate Collection 90 Clayton Keller Autograph Card
21 1 46549754 GEM MINT 10 2017 Ultimate Collection 76 Filip Chytil Autograph Card
22 1 46549755 GEM MINT 10 2017 Ultimate Collection 87 Jesper Bratt Autograph Card
23 1 46549756 GEM MINT 10 2017 Ultimate Collection 87 Jesper Bratt Autograph Card
24 1 46549757 MINT 9 2013 Upper Deck 470 Aleksander Barkov Card
25 1 46549758 MINT 9 2016 Upper Deck 212 Kyle Connor Card
26 1 46549759 GEM MINT 10 2016 Upper Deck 212 Kyle Connor Card
27 1 46549760 GEM MINT 10 2016 Upper Deck 212 Kyle Connor Card
28 1 46549761 GEM MINT 10 2016 Upper Deck 224 Zach Werenski Card
29 1 46549762 GEM MINT 10 2016 Upper Deck 214 Ivan Provorov Card
30 1 46549763 GEM MINT 10 2016 Upper Deck 214 Ivan Provorov Card
31 1 46549764 GEM MINT 10 2016 Upper Deck 214 Ivan Provorov Card
32 1 46549765 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 227 Filip Chytil Card
33 1 46549766 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 227 Filip Chytil Card
34 1 46549767 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 227 Filip Chytil Card
35 1 46549768 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 227 Filip Chytil Card
36 1 46549769 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 227 Filip Chytil Card
37 1 46549770 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 227 Filip Chytil Card
38 1 46549771 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 227 Filip Chytil Card
39 1 46549772 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 204 Pierre-Luc Dubois Card
40 1 46549773 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 204 Pierre-Luc Dubois Card
41 1 46549774 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 202 Kailer Yamamoto Card
42 1 46549775 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 202 Kailer Yamamoto Card
43 1 46549776 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 202 Kailer Yamamoto Card
44 1 46549777 MINT 9 2017 Upper Deck 469 Owen Tippett Card
45 1 46549778 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 469 Owen Tippett Card
46 1 46549779 GEM MINT 10 2017 Upper Deck 469 Owen Tippett Card
47 1 46549780 MINT 9 2017 Upper Deck 469 Owen Tippett Card
48 1 46549781 GEM MINT 10 2018 Upper Deck 484 Drake Batherson Card
49 1 46549782 GEM MINT 10 2018 Upper Deck 484 Drake Batherson Card
50 1 46549783 GEM MINT 10 2019 Upper Deck 478 Filip Zadina Card
51 1 46549784 MINT 9 2019 Upper Deck 478 Filip Zadina Card
52 1 46549785 MINT 9 2017 Ultimate Collection 108 Thomas Chabot Autograph Card
I'm fairly pleased. This was bulk at $10 each.
this pop today?
Yes, this morning.
After sitting in QA2 for two weeks I received poppage on Sunday but it still has not shipped to date.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Credit card issue?
no, i had an order a few days later pop and ship to me.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
cool, just wanting to gauge how long before bulk orders ship. hearing a week+ at this point.
waiting 6 months to a year is just discouraging for many. I have 500 plus cards at 5 months at this point. I have a friend who has 200 plus cards at the same 5-6 months. between the 2 of us, we could easily submit another 1000 cards. We haven't looked at anything or considered putting anything together as it is just discouraging to have your cards gone for so long with zero expectations of when you may get them back.
at some point, I suspect others will do the same and unless the process improves, the short term windfall will give way to long term value destruction. the increase in pricing has made many cards that were once good gambles become better cards to sell raw. if the ultra modern wave stops which anyone who has been through the highs and lows knows it will, the question becomes did psa discourage the dedicated core to the point that they no longer support the product. time will tell but i for one who has been a dedicated PSA supporter/submitter for 15 years know that I have stopped hunting and stopped culling cards for submission because it is not an enjoyable or worthwhile experience to wait 8-12 months plus to get your cars back
I am not saying the above scenario will end psa but it will likely create a period of low revenues that make the investors do drastic things and that is usually a bad situation for collectors or the product. cheers!
say this w all due respect. it's time to wake up. ultra modern isn't going away and neither is a 6 month timeline. you probably don't have it, but just jump on IG and look how many accounts just for cards and breakers there are. 10s of thousands of boxes being ripped live each day. as for price points, those are only going to go back up. realize that they had to eliminate the $20 level. and why? well it wasn't because it wasn't popular. in fact, $15 bulk probably won't even be in play for much longer.
you've been sitting on the sidelines for how long just waiting for a shorter lag time and it's only gotten longer? realize this isn't 2005 anymore. so just yank those panties out, send the cards in and just get in line. prolly coulda had one of those subs back by now. again. i said with all due respect.
I don't understand at all. Are you suggesting the 50% increase in prices for an ultra modern value submission has caused more people to submit? Do you really think PSA likes having boxes upon boxes of cards waiting to earn revenue, rather than have the revenue? I think PSA wants the volume to slow down so that it can get the turnover rates under control, and I'm mystified why anyone would think otherwise.
I am saying we have seen this over and over since collectibles became an investment it's only an investment when there are buyers. sure there are ton's of breakers at the moment. where were they 2-3 years ago? a year ago? there were also tons of buyers for 88 donruss and beanie babies at one point.
I do this for fun but waiting a year to get back submissions isn't fun and I have chosen not to submit. I am not alone. psa is probably fine with those decisions right now. but when the fly by night investors/breakers slow down , they will probably wish they paid a little more attention to the people that kept them in business for the last 20 years. maybe I am wrong , probably I am wrong , but I have been involved in this hobby long enough to see many boom and bust cycles so but I guess like anything else in life, we can always think this time is different.
well jsut read blurryface's posts, he will tell you that the volume is not going to slow no matter what they charge and it will never be under control.
I think he is also saying which is probably true but the days of the vintage set builders are done if prices will be a minimum of 15 bucks for any grade at this point. psa is evolving to satisfy what they think (what is currently) the most profitable client( pack breakers) and the rest will be put aside. maybe they will act like beckett and come out with a new line of "psa vintage grading" , who the heck knows........
yes. yes you are.
so they weren't backed up 2-3 years ago? even amidst major controversy?
exiting your lawn now.
first of all never said "never be under control". besides, what would you define as "under control"? then we can continue w/ a discussion. until then...
but as for volume, no. i don't see it going down. not w the emergence of breakers, pokemon & mtg gaming cards becoming so popular and the emergence of non-sports cards gaining the traction they are. peruse your own board here, bum. half the threads are mtg, pokemon, wrestling and even golf card related these days. back in your day, those cards wouldn't even make up 1% of total submissions. pokémon cards themselves now have their own category. so does ultramodern. and after you've read your own board, maybe you'll realize there's tons of new posters daily and guess what? they aren't asking about your '69 topps al dark card. yes, i have a '69 al dark 9, btw. it's a special card and year, so please don't think i'm knocking what you collect one bit.
and quit being so obtuse, warden. they aren't catering to any singular segment of cards. they are catering to everyone and have even tiered the pricing accordingly. you just seem angry in general about the new kids and your subs taking an extra month or so. you want the whole beach to bum around on and i'll be first to tell you, you never had it in the first place. july 4th weekend is here for good. so either mark your spot or enjoy your mixed set w half raw half graded simply because you resist to exercise a little more patience and/or adapt. collectors of all shapes and sizes are a good thing.
someone didn't take their meds or only has it in them to be argumentative and a borderline you know what but best of luck> @blurryface said:
I don't know bud, the bulk of my orders including bulk from 2018 and 2019 were done in a few weeks. the longest I ever waited was 2 months and never waited for anything to be entered from delivery so I have no idea what you are talking about.
exiting your lawn now , what the heck does that mean......