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  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 469 ✭✭✭

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @blurryface said:

    @miwlvrn said:

    @OAKESY25 said:
    @1959 The top ryan corner wasn't like that either. I would not have sent that in, way to touched.
    The bonds bottom edge ding was not there either, I was looking for a 10 for my pc same with Johnson.

    These types of posts have got me feeling nervous now. An order of mine shipped yesterday and there were a few 5's through 7's in it that I thought should be sure thing 9's or 10's. Will see once the box arrives and I go through it, but I am not yet convinced that they'll be returned in the same condition as they were in when I subbed them a year ago.

    hate to say this, but itd be quasi-ok with a few slips if we weren't getting murdered across the board on grades (for the most part) on the rest of the sub. new folks are entitled to their mistakes but that second grader, who i would hope/think is trained and been there a while, should be overriding some of these rookie opinions, imo.

    I second that. We wait all this time for our cards back and get disappointing grades. I wonder if it's the new folks not really knowing what they are doing yet or if PSA as a whole is intentionally being more strict with the grading.

    For what it's worth I received 41 Gem 10's out of 50 ultra modern cards. Maybe the key is submitting hockey cards?

  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @Jayman1982 said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @blurryface said:

    @miwlvrn said:

    @OAKESY25 said:
    @1959 The top ryan corner wasn't like that either. I would not have sent that in, way to touched.
    The bonds bottom edge ding was not there either, I was looking for a 10 for my pc same with Johnson.

    These types of posts have got me feeling nervous now. An order of mine shipped yesterday and there were a few 5's through 7's in it that I thought should be sure thing 9's or 10's. Will see once the box arrives and I go through it, but I am not yet convinced that they'll be returned in the same condition as they were in when I subbed them a year ago.

    hate to say this, but itd be quasi-ok with a few slips if we weren't getting murdered across the board on grades (for the most part) on the rest of the sub. new folks are entitled to their mistakes but that second grader, who i would hope/think is trained and been there a while, should be overriding some of these rookie opinions, imo.

    I second that. We wait all this time for our cards back and get disappointing grades. I wonder if it's the new folks not really knowing what they are doing yet or if PSA as a whole is intentionally being more strict with the grading.

    For what it's worth I received 41 Gem 10's out of 50 ultra modern cards. Maybe the key is submitting hockey cards?

    Wow, congrats! Get the name of that grader. I'd like to request this person for my next submission. :D

  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭

    I’ve just had two Express subs pop this week, and I felt one card in each truly deserved a 10. One contained 5 cards, and the other was 8 cards. I got one 10 in each sub, and in both cases it was the biggest/priciest card.
    All of the grading seemed on point. I even had a couple nice surprises in there, and no major disappointments.

    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    Here's my disappointing regular sub that popped.

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 608XXXXX NEAR MINT 7 1993 SP 279 Derek Jeter Foil Card
    2 1 608XXXXX MINT 9 1997 Metal Universe 23 Michael Jordan Card
    3 1 608XXXXX NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2020 Upper Deck Tim Hortons NHL Jersey Relics J-CM Connor McDavid Card
    4 1 N5: ALTERED STOCK 1988 Fleer 17 Michael Jordan Card
    5 1 608XXXXX MINT 9 2007 Upper Deck 462 Jonathan Toews Card

    I apparently was fleeced buying that 88 Fleer Jordan. My own fault, so I can't complain. Lesson learned.

    The Metal Universe Jordan I'm happy with the 9 grade. That was what I expecting.

    Really thought the Toews card was a 10. Otherwise I would have just waited to submit it down the road.

    The Jeter though bugs me. I swear I looked a dozens of these already graded cards, and I thought mine easily looks like an 8 or was hoping for a 9. I don't see any of the 7s that look as nice as mine. :( Maybe I just need glasses or am not a very good grader.

  • DMasciDMasci Posts: 171 ✭✭✭

    Reading this really has me curious as to what I'll see when the two subs I sent in finally make it back. Because most of the cards were previously graded by Beckett.

    Sub 1 - Monthly Special FB - All but 2 of the cards were cracked from BGS/BVG holders.
    Arrived - 11/20/20
    Entered - 1/27/21
    To Grading - 7/6/21

    Sub 2 - Value Vintage FB - All but 1 card were cracked from BVG holders.
    Arrived - 1/30/21
    Entered - 3/25/21
    Still in research

    I am not expecting the grades to be the same as they were but I'm hoping that cards like my 81 Montana and 86 Rice which were both BGS 8.5 don't come back as a PSA 6 or something.....but this was really my test for converting to see if I want to convert cards like Jim Brown or Walter Payton RCs.

  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭

    Express sub, just a shade over two weeks from receipt to poppage. I think the grading was very fair. I was hoping for a 10 on the Maya Moore, but the Breanna Stewart more than makes up for it as it's BY FAR the most valuable card in there. Also really pleased with the 5 on Banks. It was part of a '54 set I bought locally from the original owner (the Aaron got a 4).

    1 1 634XXXXX GOOD 2 1950 Bowman 22 Jackie Robinson Card
    2 1 634XXXXX EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2004 Ultra WNBA Season Crowns Rookie Jerseys SCJ2 Diana Taurasi Season Crowns-Rookie Jerseys Card
    3 1 634XXXXX NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2004 Ultra WNBA 91 Diana Taurasi Card
    4 1 634XXXXX GEM MINT 10 2016 Rittenhouse WNBA 95 Breanna Stewart Card
    5 1 634XXXXX NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2002 Fleer Authentix WNBA Memorabilia Authentix Ripped Sue Bird Card
    6 1 634XXXXX MINT 9 2002 Ultra WNBA 101 Sue Bird Card
    7 1 634XXXXX EXCELLENT 5 1954 Topps 94 Ernie Banks Card
    8 1 634XXXXX MINT 9 2011 Rittenhouse WNBA Rookies R1 Maya Moore Card

    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    My PSA order arrived today. I have to say PSA really ships quickly to Canada as they only mailed my package on Friday. It's bittersweet when you know the grades in advance and they are disappointing.

    I took some pictures of my PSA 7 Jeter. I was hoping to get some honest opinions. Does this really look like a 7?










    The other thing I noticed is the front bottom left corner appears to not be in as good of shape as when I sent it. I didn't get the greatest pictures before I sent unfortunately. PSA took so long, I also upgraded my devices while waiting for them, so the newer pictures are better. :smile: I did get these though:


    Any feedback is welcome. :)

  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭

    I agree, without knowing about surface issues, this looks like an 8 ish, ( I have 8, 8's of my own for reference) also your raw pic does appear to have a sharper bottom left front then the slabbed card.

  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @OAKESY25 said:
    I agree, without knowing about surface issues, this looks like an 8 ish, ( I have 8, 8's of my own for reference) also your raw pic does appear to have a sharper bottom left front then the slabbed card.

    Thanks. Wow, eight PSA 8s of this card? Nice! I definitely trust your opinions on this card. Do you only have 8s or any other grades too for comparison?

    While I’m no expert, I don’t see any surface issues on either side that would hurt the grade the grade. The card looks very clean to me overall even with corner. Definitely a bummer. :(

  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @OAKESY25 said:
    I agree, without knowing about surface issues, this looks like an 8 ish, ( I have 8, 8's of my own for reference) also your raw pic does appear to have a sharper bottom left front then the slabbed card.

    Thanks. Wow, eight PSA 8s of this card? Nice! I definitely trust your opinions on this card. Do you only have 8s or any other grades too for comparison?

    While I’m no expert, I don’t see any surface issues on either side that would hurt the grade the grade. The card looks very clean to me overall even with corner. Definitely a bummer. :(

    I have an 8 as well, and I also think yours looks nice. But this is the issue with major rookie cards, it's impossible to predict/justify the grade. They're simply graded harsher now. I learned this with an '86 Jordan I subbed this winter. The time to grade an SP Jeter was 7+ years ago, before he retired.

    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @scmavl said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @OAKESY25 said:
    I agree, without knowing about surface issues, this looks like an 8 ish, ( I have 8, 8's of my own for reference) also your raw pic does appear to have a sharper bottom left front then the slabbed card.

    Thanks. Wow, eight PSA 8s of this card? Nice! I definitely trust your opinions on this card. Do you only have 8s or any other grades too for comparison?

    While I’m no expert, I don’t see any surface issues on either side that would hurt the grade the grade. The card looks very clean to me overall even with corner. Definitely a bummer. :(

    I have an 8 as well, and I also think yours looks nice. But this is the issue with major rookie cards, it's impossible to predict/justify the grade. They're simply graded harsher now. I learned this with an '86 Jordan I subbed this winter. The time to grade an SP Jeter was 7+ years ago, before he retired.

    That's unfortunate. I feel like a grade is a grade. How did your Jordan fare?

  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @scmavl said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @OAKESY25 said:
    I agree, without knowing about surface issues, this looks like an 8 ish, ( I have 8, 8's of my own for reference) also your raw pic does appear to have a sharper bottom left front then the slabbed card.

    Thanks. Wow, eight PSA 8s of this card? Nice! I definitely trust your opinions on this card. Do you only have 8s or any other grades too for comparison?

    While I’m no expert, I don’t see any surface issues on either side that would hurt the grade the grade. The card looks very clean to me overall even with corner. Definitely a bummer. :(

    I have an 8 as well, and I also think yours looks nice. But this is the issue with major rookie cards, it's impossible to predict/justify the grade. They're simply graded harsher now. I learned this with an '86 Jordan I subbed this winter. The time to grade an SP Jeter was 7+ years ago, before he retired.

    That's unfortunate. I feel like a grade is a grade. How did your Jordan fare?

    You're not wrong, but that's just how it is. I think they're getting more right than wrong nowadays, but being conservative with the biggies.
    And if you can tell me how this is a 5, I'd like to know. The back is perfect.

    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @scmavl said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @scmavl said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:

    @OAKESY25 said:
    I agree, without knowing about surface issues, this looks like an 8 ish, ( I have 8, 8's of my own for reference) also your raw pic does appear to have a sharper bottom left front then the slabbed card.

    Thanks. Wow, eight PSA 8s of this card? Nice! I definitely trust your opinions on this card. Do you only have 8s or any other grades too for comparison?

    While I’m no expert, I don’t see any surface issues on either side that would hurt the grade the grade. The card looks very clean to me overall even with corner. Definitely a bummer. :(

    I have an 8 as well, and I also think yours looks nice. But this is the issue with major rookie cards, it's impossible to predict/justify the grade. They're simply graded harsher now. I learned this with an '86 Jordan I subbed this winter. The time to grade an SP Jeter was 7+ years ago, before he retired.

    That's unfortunate. I feel like a grade is a grade. How did your Jordan fare?

    You're not wrong, but that's just how it is. I think they're getting more right than wrong nowadays, but being conservative with the biggies.
    And if you can tell me how this is a 5, I'd like to know. The back is perfect.

    My gosh... now I feel really bad for you with that card. That truly looks in excellent shape. Looking at their own definition of a '5', your card literally meets none of their defined criteria that I can see. I don't think that card should be any less than 7. The eye appeal is outstanding. If the back is perfect like you say, PSA should be embarrassed with that grade IMO.

  • Unless that bottom left corner is really dinged, that's a 7/8 all day.

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    have a bunch of value modern (1972-2017) that are entering the grading stage the past few days. meanwhile there are tons of ultra modern subs that arrived months prior that are still in research & id. it makes their fifo statement even more of a head-scratcher.

  • weaselpuppyweaselpuppy Posts: 218 ✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2021 4:27PM

    Received 19 of the 86 Fleer basketball back today. Grades were a wide range, from 5-10. Breakdown 10-1, 9-4, 8-4, 7-3, 6-5, 5-1. The Jordan above looks most like the 7s and 8s I got back. Grades overall to me were a little wobbly. That 5 was better than the 6 they gave my Drexler rookie, and my Mullin rookie 6 was a LOT better than the Drexler. Dinner Bell Mel Turpin got the 10 ( pop 181 now) and of the four 9s, three I thought had a real shot at 9 (one of them a shot at ten) and one was a 8 that got gifted. I expected about a 30% 9+ rate, but was expecting a 60% 8+ rate.

    Three of the 6s ( beyond the Drexler, which had a corner ding, and one clearly so off center I was happy w a 6 instead of miscut) were not discernable from the 7s.

    It was my first sub of 86s, I have about 60 more in there, with a better eye, so hoping for about 33-40%9+, 70-75% 8+ outcomes here on out. :)

    I had one sticker in there that was a wobbly grade, a 6 on Magic. No wax or discoloring, 80/20 centering at least each way, no corner dings...ugh. Surface issues? Can't see em....who knows....GOD maybe. Ugh.

  • weaselpuppyweaselpuppy Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    have a bunch of value modern (1972-2017) that are entering the grading stage the past few days. meanwhile there are tons of ultra modern subs that arrived months prior that are still in research & id. it makes their fifo statement even more of a head-scratcher.

    Ultra Moderns all at 3 R and ID, Moderns in same boxes at Grading or Assembly, log dates from 12/28 to 1/18.

  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2021 9:00PM

    @MarshallFaulk28 I have a bunch of 7's too.

  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @OAKESY25 said:
    @MarshallFaulk28 I have a bunch of 7's too.

    :o

    That’s pretty awesome.

  • 1 card standard submission:
    GEM MINT 10 2020 Pokemon Sword & Shield Vivid Voltage 188 Full Art/Pikachu Vmax Secret (expected 10)
    arrived 04/01/21
    entered 05/14/21
    shipped 07/28/21

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrLinny said:
    1 card standard submission:
    GEM MINT 10 2020 Pokemon Sword & Shield Vivid Voltage 188 Full Art/Pikachu Vmax Secret (expected 10)
    arrived 04/01/21
    entered 05/14/21
    shipped 07/28/21

    congrats and hellavu start!

  • @blurryface said:

    @DrLinny said:
    1 card standard submission:
    GEM MINT 10 2020 Pokemon Sword & Shield Vivid Voltage 188 Full Art/Pikachu Vmax Secret (expected 10)
    arrived 04/01/21
    entered 05/14/21
    shipped 07/28/21

    congrats and hellavu start!

    Thanks! Super pumped to get it back B)

  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭✭

    Bottom left corner on the Jeter pre-grading looks touched. I think that card could be a 7 or an 8, so a 7 is fair IMO.

    Robb

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2021 11:35AM

    just got one of the most embarrassing subs back ever. not for me, but for psa. it shows just how bad they are mishandling cards right now. this isnt even about getting murdered on grades. even the 10s have ghastly streaks all over them. not sure what to even do with them at the point bc its not a reflection of psa as a whole. they are doing the appropriate things and headed in the right direction, imo. but at what point do you have to just call them out on this crap? im getting close.

    pics coming after i finish putting all the certs in appropriate order. another pet peeve.

    120 card sub. 40% gem rate. above is just an avg example of the 10s. several 6s - 8s and tons of 9s. all with smudges on just about every card.

  • Historicalwood71Historicalwood71 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    just got one of the most embarrassing subs back ever. not for me, but for psa. it shows just how bad they are mishandling cards right now. this isnt even about getting murdered on grades. even the 10s have ghastly streaks all over them. not sure what to even do with them at the point bc its not a reflection of psa as a whole. they are doing the appropriate things and headed in the right direction, imo. but at what point do you have to just call them out on this crap? im getting close.

    pics coming after i finish putting all the certs in appropriate order. another pet peeve.

    120 card sub. 40% gem rate. above is just an avg example of the 10s. several 6s - 8s and tons of 9s. all with smudges on just about every card.

    Lunch break I'm sure. Blurry, you said a value modern submission is coming into grading.... Will mine be soon? Logged 4/21/21... Received on March 3/14/21... Value modern march order. Thx buddy! 👍

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Historicalwood71 said:

    @blurryface said:
    just got one of the most embarrassing subs back ever. not for me, but for psa. it shows just how bad they are mishandling cards right now. this isnt even about getting murdered on grades. even the 10s have ghastly streaks all over them. not sure what to even do with them at the point bc its not a reflection of psa as a whole. they are doing the appropriate things and headed in the right direction, imo. but at what point do you have to just call them out on this crap? im getting close.

    pics coming after i finish putting all the certs in appropriate order. another pet peeve.

    120 card sub. 40% gem rate. above is just an avg example of the 10s. several 6s - 8s and tons of 9s. all with smudges on just about every card.

    Lunch break I'm sure. Blurry, you said a value modern submission is coming into grading.... Will mine be soon? Logged 4/21/21... Received on March 3/14/21... Value modern march order. Thx buddy! 👍

    could be if its one of those rare occasions. my value modern that just entered grading was logged 2/4/21. still have a ton of ultra moderns that still have not reached grading that were logged in from dec - jan.

  • Historicalwood71Historicalwood71 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:

    @Historicalwood71 said:

    @blurryface said:
    just got one of the most embarrassing subs back ever. not for me, but for psa. it shows just how bad they are mishandling cards right now. this isnt even about getting murdered on grades. even the 10s have ghastly streaks all over them. not sure what to even do with them at the point bc its not a reflection of psa as a whole. they are doing the appropriate things and headed in the right direction, imo. but at what point do you have to just call them out on this crap? im getting close.

    pics coming after i finish putting all the certs in appropriate order. another pet peeve.

    120 card sub. 40% gem rate. above is just an avg example of the 10s. several 6s - 8s and tons of 9s. all with smudges on just about every card.

    Lunch break I'm sure. Blurry, you said a value modern submission is coming into grading.... Will mine be soon? Logged 4/21/21... Received on March 3/14/21... Value modern march order. Thx buddy! 👍

    could be if its one of those rare occasions. my value modern that just entered grading was logged 2/4/21. still have a ton of ultra moderns that still have not reached grading that were logged in from dec - jan.

    Wow! Thanks for the help! Hope you get everything you want for the wait Man! 👍

  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭

    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2021 9:12PM

    ^ so i was waaaay outta line when i said they are completely mishandling cards right now. 🤯

    those are gonna onita another trip back to psa.

  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    PSA: “Hold my beer”

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    over under that grading at the national is full tomorrow by 5pm? 😉

  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,260 ✭✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    just got one of the most embarrassing subs back ever. not for me, but for psa. it shows just how bad they are mishandling cards right now. this isnt even about getting murdered on grades. even the 10s have ghastly streaks all over them. not sure what to even do with them at the point bc its not a reflection of psa as a whole. they are doing the appropriate things and headed in the right direction, imo. but at what point do you have to just call them out on this crap? im getting close.

    pics coming after i finish putting all the certs in appropriate order. another pet peeve.

    120 card sub. 40% gem rate. above is just an avg example of the 10s. several 6s - 8s and tons of 9s. all with smudges on just about every card.

    I've submitted for 27 years and the process is not transparent. The smudges on your cards.....are we thinking that they should be sitting there for 8-10 hours straight with gloves on? Or should there be a cloth to wipe the cards?? Or maybe this is simply a case of the sealer/encapsulator has dirty sausage hands when putting your cards in the holders? Or does no one outside of the building know any of these answers?? Looks very frustrating to wait a year or more and get back dirty cards. Maybe they're getting them ready for EBAY specifics NEW/USED. Lol.

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2021 11:22PM

    @Mickey71 said:

    @blurryface said:
    just got one of the most embarrassing subs back ever. not for me, but for psa. it shows just how bad they are mishandling cards right now. this isnt even about getting murdered on grades. even the 10s have ghastly streaks all over them. not sure what to even do with them at the point bc its not a reflection of psa as a whole. they are doing the appropriate things and headed in the right direction, imo. but at what point do you have to just call them out on this crap? im getting close.

    pics coming after i finish putting all the certs in appropriate order. another pet peeve.

    120 card sub. 40% gem rate. above is just an avg example of the 10s. several 6s - 8s and tons of 9s. all with smudges on just about every card.

    I've submitted for 27 years and the process is not transparent. The smudges on your cards.....are we thinking that they should be sitting there for 8-10 hours straight with gloves on? Or should there be a cloth to wipe the cards?? Or maybe this is simply a case of the sealer/encapsulator has dirty sausage hands when putting your cards in the holders? Or does no one outside of the building know any of these answers?? Looks very frustrating to wait a year or more and get back dirty cards. Maybe they're getting them ready for EBAY specifics NEW/USED. Lol.

    honest answer is i dont know who/where in the process they got smudged. by all accounts, it seems the whole way down the line. they are atrocious in hand. the pictures dont even do them justice to just how terrible they look in person.

    another honest answer is i dont care where the they ended up looking like this. i cant stand gloves. i simply wash my hands (which certainly shouldnt be an issue w covid months) and use two finger cots to hold the card with. but h#ll yes they should be using something. especially at $20 a pop. its certainly more time consuming on my end to prep them than it is for them to grade them. some of these look like a cheap motel after payday on the wrong side of town under a black light forensics squad. its gross. so should they be sitting there wearing gloves? if thats what it takes. if you look just above youll see the two wrestling cards in the wrong holders too. should we expect them to read too? i think the answer is yes. again, i would rather wait longer than have a bunch of 9s and 10s dished back to me in this condition. its a sad day when youre not even happy w 10s. even worse when you dished out $2k+ on this go around and they look like this. even scarier is knowing you have 7000 (aka $140k in grading fees) more cards in the pipeline. luckily the national is the week so i can cool down a bit before i pick up the phone.

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mickey71 ^ wasnt speaking to you in that tone. just outloud in case anyone from psa mgmt stumbles across it and cares.

  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,260 ✭✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:

    @Mickey71 said:

    @blurryface said:
    just got one of the most embarrassing subs back ever. not for me, but for psa. it shows just how bad they are mishandling cards right now. this isnt even about getting murdered on grades. even the 10s have ghastly streaks all over them. not sure what to even do with them at the point bc its not a reflection of psa as a whole. they are doing the appropriate things and headed in the right direction, imo. but at what point do you have to just call them out on this crap? im getting close.

    pics coming after i finish putting all the certs in appropriate order. another pet peeve.

    120 card sub. 40% gem rate. above is just an avg example of the 10s. several 6s - 8s and tons of 9s. all with smudges on just about every card.

    I've submitted for 27 years and the process is not transparent. The smudges on your cards.....are we thinking that they should be sitting there for 8-10 hours straight with gloves on? Or should there be a cloth to wipe the cards?? Or maybe this is simply a case of the sealer/encapsulator has dirty sausage hands when putting your cards in the holders? Or does no one outside of the building know any of these answers?? Looks very frustrating to wait a year or more and get back dirty cards. Maybe they're getting them ready for EBAY specifics NEW/USED. Lol.

    honest answer is i dont know who/where in the process they got smudged. by all accounts, it seems the whole way down the line. they are atrocious in hand. the pictures dont even do them justice to just how terrible they look in person.

    another honest answer is i dont care where the they ended up looking like this. i cant stand gloves. i simply wash my hands (which certainly shouldnt be an issue w covid months) and use two finger cots to hold the card with. but h#ll yes they should be using something. especially at $20 a pop. its certainly more time consuming on my end to prep them than it is for them to grade them. some of these look like a cheap motel after payday on the wrong side of town under a black light forensics squad. its gross. so should they be sitting there wearing gloves? if thats what it takes. if you look just above youll see the two wrestling cards in the wrong holders too. should we expect them to read too? i think the answer is yes. again, i would rather wait longer than have a bunch of 9s and 10s dished back to me in this condition. its a sad day when youre not even happy w 10s. even worse when you dished out $2k+ on this go around and they look like this. even scarier is knowing you have 7000 more cards in the pipeline. luckily the national is the week so i can cool down a bit before i pick up the phone.

    I totally agree with you. Sorry about your cards. I would be very disappointed. Sounds like there is a lot going on that needs to be fixed. I am really really really starting to have my doubts that things are going to get fixed. They had business as usual for too long and did not implement changes soon enough and they are in a very tough spot. I think it is simply mind boggling that having too much business is a very serious problem. It seems they are being stubborn by not opening up an East coast office to grade cards. They already reported that Newport Beach USPS can not even keep up. Not 1 part of the process can anyone keep up at when they are busy. I believe in 2013 things started to change. They should have expanded then to eleviate some pressure from the current location. Maybe they'll work out all of these matters?????

  • Long time reader, first time poster....Just got this order back in my hands last Thursday. Used a group sub (Ludkins Collectables) this was submitted under a 30$ "20-Day Turnaround" pricing tier.

    Shipped to PSA: 10/9/20
    Delivered to PSA: 10/16/20
    Registered: 10/20/20
    Order Prep: 10/21/20
    Research & ID: 10/30/20
    Grading: 12/7/20
    Assembly: 5/11/20
    QA1: ?
    QA2: ?
    Shipped (to ludkins): 7/16/21
    In my hands: 7/22/21

    1 51149624 MINT 9 2016 Pokémon XY 101 FA/M Charizard EX Evolutions
    2 51149625 NEAR MINT 7 2000 Pokémon Rocket 12 Dark Slowbro -Holo 1st Edition
    3 51149626 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Hoops 210 Tyler Herro
    4 51149627 GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 1 Joe Burrow Phoenix - Red
    5 51149628 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 1 Joe Burrow Crown Royale
    6 51149629 GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 1 Joe Burrow Spectra
    7 51149630 MINT 9 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 18 Clyde Edwards-Helaire Donruss Optic
    8 51149631 MINT 9 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 3 Joe Burrow Certified – Mirror Blue
    9 51149632 GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 1 Joe Burrow XR
    10 51149633 GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 5 Justin Herbert Elite Rookies
    11 51149634 GEM MINT 10 2020 Panini Chronicles DP 3 Tua Tagovailoa Absolute

    Lessons learned / Takeaways:
    1.) Take pictures of every card you submit / record an "unboxing" as #51149624 was not included in my return....Ludkins managed to "find" the card and get it to me on 7/27/21....(LOTS of questions / concerns regarding this).
    2.) 30$ was clearly too much for a 9 month turnaround.
    3.) Large group subs are far far far behind the completed through date.
    4.) Grades were right on the money, centering was off L/R on every 9, Herro 8 was for a friend who dropped his card as we were preparing to sub...lol, Burrow 8 is a die cut with a soft corner that I missed, and the Pokémon 7 was a gift as I expected a 6.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    over under that grading at the national is full tomorrow by 5pm? 😉

    I saw a post that it was "temporarily suspended" already as they were 80% of capacity based on submissions that had been started. I read a post of one guy that dropped off over 1000 cards to be graded at the show. That's $250k min. There were some players in the hobby when I was much more involved back around 2007 but NOTHING like what I see and hear today.

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:

    @blurryface said:
    over under that grading at the national is full tomorrow by 5pm? 😉

    I saw a post that it was "temporarily suspended" already as they were 80% of capacity based on submissions that had been started. I read a post of one guy that dropped off over 1000 cards to be graded at the show. That's $250k min. There were some players in the hobby when I was much more involved back around 2007 but NOTHING like what I see and hear today.

    i was kinda joking. but man! weirdest bubble pop ever. 😉

  • 2014bestservice2014bestservice Posts: 613 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2021 12:47PM

    Just got poppage on my Brady 1/1 Elite and a bunch of others- PSA 8
    Will post those in a bit. Think they are close to re-opening Regular rate again as that Brady was the last day possible sub time wise.

    Jeff

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @jeffv96masters what was the entered date? I have a regular sub that arrived in Feb, entered 4/9 still in grading. CTD whos 99% of march so I'm hopeful it'll pop this month.

  • 19591959 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭✭

    Any guesses on how many times( from one station to another), and # of people that handle the cards AFTER they are graded and before the encapsulation ?

  • 2014bestservice2014bestservice Posts: 613 ✭✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:
    @jeffv96masters what was the entered date? I have a regular sub that arrived in Feb, entered 4/9 still in grading. CTD whos 99% of march so I'm hopeful it'll pop this month.

    .
    .
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    Mailed 2/28
    Arrived 3/6 ( this was the week the PO got overwhelmed)
    Entered 5/11

    Took about 40 business days from order arrival to show entered
    Popped on business day 55. This was a 1/1 Elite Die Cut Tom Brady

    1 1 XXXXXXX NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2013 Panini Elite 58 Tom Brady Black Status Die-Cut 1/1

    This was the "end" of a slew of Regulars. All the rest have been back for weeks.
    If yours has been sitting there a while I'd inquire into it. Email the info@pascard.com address
    No reason for a 4/9 entered sub to sit there unless some slabs require scanning- which is WAY behind.

    Jeff

  • lilmulelilmule Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2021 6:50PM

    Almost a year after sending my cards out, the grades have finally popped. Overall not to bad, some boxes that my son and I opened up together.

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 51446474 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Donruss Rookies 38 Bo Jackson Card
    2 1 51446475 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Fleer 649 Major League Pros. E.Plunk/J.Canseco Card
    3 1 51446476 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Topps Traded 11T Barry Bonds Card
    4 1 51446477 EXCELLENT 5 1986 Topps Traded 20T Jose Canseco Card
    5 1 51446478 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Topps Traded 20T Jose Canseco Card
    6 1 51446479 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Donruss 172 Roger Clemens Card
    7 1 51446480 MINT 9 1986 Donruss 33 Andres Galarraga No Accent Mark Card
    8 1 51446481 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1986 Donruss 37 Paul O'Neill Card
    9 1 51446482 GEM MINT 10 1987 Donruss 97 Jose Canseco Card
    10 1 51446483 MINT 9 1987 Donruss 97 Jose Canseco Card
    11 1 51446484 MINT 9 1987 Donruss 36 Greg Maddux Card
    12 1 51446485 MINT 9 1987 Donruss 361 Barry Bonds Card
    13 1 51446486 MINT 9 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
    14 1 51446487 GEM MINT 10 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
    15 1 51446488 GEM MINT 10 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
    16 1 51446489 MINT 9 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
    17 1 51446490 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 320 Barry Bonds Card
    18 1 51446491 MINT 9 1987 Topps 620 Jose Canseco Card
    19 1 51446492 MINT 9 1987 Topps 620 Jose Canseco Card
    20 1 51446493 GEM MINT 10 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card
    21 1 51446494 GEM MINT 10 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
    22 1 51446495 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
    23 1 51446496 MINT 9 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card
    24 1 51446497 EXCELLENT 5 1987 Topps 634 Rafael Palmeiro Future Stars Card
    25 1 51446498 MINT 9 1987 Topps 300 Reggie Jackson Card
    26 1 51446499 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 124 Mike Schmidt Card
    27 1 51446500 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 Leaf 124 Mike Schmidt Card
    28 1 51446501 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 124 Mike Schmidt Card
    29 1 51446502 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 40 Mark Grace Card
    30 1 51446503 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 Leaf 40 Mark Grace Card
    31 1 51446504 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 172 Eddie Murray Card
    32 1 51446505 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 187 Bo Jackson Card
    33 1 51446506 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 187 Bo Jackson Card
    34 1 51446507 GEM MINT 10 1988 Leaf 177 Don Mattingly Card
    35 1 51446508 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 177 Don Mattingly Card
    36 1 51446509 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 177 Don Mattingly Card
    37 1 51446510 GEM MINT 10 1988 Leaf 194 Mark McGwire Card
    38 1 51446511 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 Leaf 113 Barry Bonds Card
    39 1 51446512 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 Leaf 113 Barry Bonds Card
    40 1 51446513 MINT 9 1988 Leaf 34 Roberto Alomar Card
    41 1 51446514 EXCELLENT 5 1989 Topps Traded 57T Randy Johnson Card
    42 1 51446515 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1989 Topps Traded 41T Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    43 1 51446516 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 616 Bill Ripken FF Error Card
    44 1 51446517 MINT 9 1989 Fleer 616 Bill Ripken Black Box Over Error Card
    45 1 51446518 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Fleer 381 Randy Johnson Ad Partially Obscured Card
    46 1 51446519 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Fleer 381 Randy Johnson Ad Completely Blacked Out Card
    47 1 51446520 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    48 1 51446521 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Fleer 548 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    49 1 51446522 GEM MINT 10 1989 Bowman 176 Don Mattingly Card
    50 1 51446523 MINT 9 1989 Bowman 220 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    51 1 51446524 GEM MINT 10 1989 Bowman 220 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    52 1 51446525 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 42 Randy Johnson Card
    53 1 51446526 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 42 Randy Johnson Card
    54 1 51446527 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 42 Randy Johnson Card
    55 1 51446528 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 42 Randy Johnson Card
    56 1 51446529 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 42 Randy Johnson Card
    57 1 51446530 GEM MINT 10 1989 Donruss 42 Randy Johnson Card
    58 1 51446531 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 31 Gary Sheffield Card
    59 1 51446532 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 31 Gary Sheffield Card
    60 1 51446533 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 28 Sandy Alomar Jr. Card
    61 1 51446534 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 28 Sandy Alomar Jr. Card
    62 1 51446535 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Donruss 33 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    63 1 51446536 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Donruss 33 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    64 1 51446537 GEM MINT 10 1989 Donruss 91 Jose Canseco Card
    65 1 51446538 GEM MINT 10 1989 Donruss 208 Bo Jackson Card
    66 1 51446539 GEM MINT 10 1989 Donruss 208 Bo Jackson Card
    67 1 51446540 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 31 Gary Sheffield Card
    68 1 51446541 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 204 George Brett Card
    69 1 51446542 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 642 John Smoltz Card
    70 1 51446543 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 561 Craig Biggio Card
    71 1 51446544 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 561 Craig Biggio Card
    72 1 51446545 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 245 Rickey Henderson Card
    73 1 51446546 GEM MINT 10 1989 Donruss 245 Rickey Henderson Card
    74 1 51446547 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 245 Rickey Henderson Card
    75 1 51446548 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 635 Curt Schilling Card
    76 1 51446549 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 193 Mike Schmidt Card
    77 1 51446550 MINT 9 1989 Donruss 193 Mike Schmidt Card
    78 1 51446551 GEM MINT 10 1989 Donruss 95 Mark McGwire Card
    79 1 51446552 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1989 Donruss 154 Nolan Ryan Card
    80 1 51446553 MINT 9 1990 Upper Deck 466 Larry Walker Card
    81 1 51446554 EXCELLENT 5 1990 Upper Deck 156 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    82 1 51446555 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Upper Deck 13 Deion Sanders Star Rookie Card
    83 1 51446556 MINT 9 1990 Upper Deck 17 Sammy Sosa Star Rookie Card
    84 1 51446557 MINT 9 1990 Upper Deck 24 Ken Griffey Jr. Mariners Checklist Card
    85 1 51446558 GEM MINT 10 1990 Upper Deck 54 Ben McDonald Star Rookie Logo Card
    86 1 51446559 MINT 9 1990 Upper Deck 544 Nolan Ryan Card
    87 1 51446560 GEM MINT 10 1990 Upper Deck 72 Juan Gonzalez Star Rookie Card
    88 1 51446561 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1990 Score 663 Frank Thomas Card
    89 1 51446562 GEM MINT 10 1990 Topps 757 Larry Walker Card
    90 1 51446563 GEM MINT 10 1990 Topps 757 Larry Walker Card
    91 1 51446564 MINT 9 1990 Topps 757 Larry Walker Card
    92 1 51446565 MINT 9 1990 Topps 757 Larry Walker Card
    93 1 51446566 MINT 9 1990 Topps 692 Sammy Sosa Card
    94 1 51446567 MINT 9 1990 Topps 692 Sammy Sosa Card
    95 1 51446568 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    96 1 51446569 MINT 9 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    97 1 51446570 EXCELLENT 5 1990 Topps 336 Ken Griffey Jr. Card
    98 1 51446571 MINT 9 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
    99 1 51446572 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
    100 1 51446573 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
    101 1 51446574 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
    102 1 51446575 MINT 9 1990 Topps 414 Frank Thomas Name on Front Card
    103 1 51446576 EXCELLENT 5 1990 Topps 1 Nolan Ryan Card
    104 1 51446577 EXCELLENT 5 1990 Topps 1 Nolan Ryan Card
    105 1 51446578 MINT 9 1990 Topps 570 Cal Ripken Jr. Card
    106 1 51446579 MINT 9 2006 Topps Wal-Mart WM34 Don Mattingly Card
    107 1 51446580 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
    108 1 51446581 MINT 9 1989 Bowman 225 Nolan Ryan Card
    109 1 51446582 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Fleer 26 Michael Jordan Card
    110 1 51446583 MINT 9 1990 Fleer 26 Michael Jordan Card
    111 1 51446584 MINT 9 1990 Fleer 30 Scottie Pippen Card
    112 1 51446585 MINT 9 1990 Fleer 30 Scottie Pippen Card
    113 1 51446586 MINT 9 1990 Fleer 91 Vlade Divac Card
    114 1 51446587 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Fleer 139 Charles Barkley Card
    115 1 51446588 MINT 9 1990 Fleer 172 David Robinson Card
    116 1 51446589 NEAR MINT 7 1990 Fleer 178 Shawn Kemp Card

    Knotty Hobby Woodworks
    Vintage Rookies
  • PlayBallPlayBall Posts: 463 ✭✭✭

    Not sure I understand the "batch FIFO" plan PSA talks about, but I had 2 Quarterly specials go to Assembly yesterday. One entered on 09/02/20, and the other was 01/13/21. Those batches must be monsters.

    Bernie Carlen



    Currently collecting.....your guess is as good as mine.
  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @PlayBall said:
    Not sure I understand the "batch FIFO" plan PSA talks about, but I had 2 Quarterly specials go to Assembly yesterday. One entered on 09/02/20, and the other was 01/13/21. Those batches must be monsters.

    Wow, that’s quite a spread. I had a quarterly special entered after yours on 9/15/20 that completed back on 07/07/21. I have two others entered 11/30/20 and 12/01/20 that are still grading. Their operations are quite a mystery.

  • 2014bestservice2014bestservice Posts: 613 ✭✭✭✭

    @lilmule somebody has good eye for 88 Leafs some nice hits there <3

    Nice sub !

  • jtomm2005jtomm2005 Posts: 50 ✭✭

    Hope everyone is enjoying the Summer

    Havent been on here much because my last two Subs that PSA had didnt look like they were coming out anytime soon. My most recent one I submitted before the shutdown in March was a 6 card Regular Service that arrived 3/11 and wasnt entered until 5/11.

    Just by chance the other day I glanced at my account and was shocked to see the 6 Card Regular Sub was in QA2 stage - have no clue as to when it went througha s I wasnt expecting to get them until at earliest end of August.

    Well a few minutes ago I get "that email" that stated one of my sub required an upcharge due to one of the cards graded put at a higher level of service. I took a look and replied instantly!

    My Sub:

    1990 Marvel Universe
    Captain America # 1 - PSA 10
    Hulk # 3 - PSA 6
    Spiderman # 29 - PSA 10
    Doctor Strange # 34 - PSA 10

    1992 Marvel Masterpieces

    Wolverine # 94 - PSA 9

    1991 Marvel Universe

    Venom - PSA 8

    The Spidey # 29 was the only one getting an upcharge and I am definately okay with it as well as the entire sub. Ill have to take a look at the Hulk, for some reason Im missing something on the scans and screening

    Anyways its definately nice to expect a sub back soon - that leaves me with a 30 Modern Sub that is in Grading and was Entered in October of last year

    Enjoy the weekend!

  • Explain upcharge and higher level of service. I am not sure what that means. Thanks

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 469 ✭✭✭
    edited August 1, 2021 5:18AM

    @chuckman said:
    Explain upcharge and higher level of service. I am not sure what that means. Thanks

    After grading the card was deemed more valuable than the maximum declared value of the level of service you selected, therefore PSA is charging you the rate for the service level which the graded value is deemed to be in.

    Example: You sent a card with the maximum declared value of $499 at the value level, but it graded a 10 and 10's currently selling for $2500, PSA at their discretion decides to upcharge you to the Express level fee.

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not finished but had some pack movement…

    ‘72 - present
    arrived: 1/20/21
    entered: 2/02/21
    assembly: 7/30/21

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