@7over8 said:
Is it known if these will be available at the USM retail locations in Philadelphia, Denver, Wash DC??
Wow looks like a well behaved and orderly line . Are those unemployed Actors lined up at the back door over the wsekend ? Displaced GM workers seeking Employment with the Mint?
Soon , hopefully , displaced UAW staffers Will be lined up like that seeking a payout from another source of influence. Anywhere but the "Big 3".
and speaking of #1 vs #2, I’m surprised we haven’t seen a new thread started on “where is my thread complaining of where my poll went, thread!?
That will help distract you from the stress of the upcoming sale of this soon to be missing in action issue from the Mint.
@MilesWaits said:
and speaking of #1 vs #2, I’m surprised we haven’t seen a new thread started on “where is my thread complaining of where my poll went, thread!?
That will help distract you from the stress of the upcoming sale of this soon to be missing in action issue from the Mint.
Oh those polls... Wasn’t the first and second closed? Let’s see if there is a three? Hmm... maybe not.
@MilesWaits said:
and speaking of #1 vs #2, I’m surprised we haven’t seen a new thread started on “where is my thread complaining of where my poll went, thread!?
That will help distract you from the stress of the upcoming sale of this soon to be missing in action issue from the Mint.
This new service is being launched in conjunction with the new, low-mintage American Eagle 2019 One Ounce Silver Enhanced Reverse Proof Coin, which will be accompanied from the Mint with COAs bearing a serial number. Collectors and dealers will have an opportunity to submit these coins to PCGS at the Whitman Baltimore Winter Expo, November 14-17, as well as by PCGS’ regular submission procedures.
Note: It will cost $15 to have the COA encapsulated. "Coins must be submitted in original sealed government packaging."
The Cert slab should also have the coin’s assigned PCGS number listed as well as the COA number. That way they are tied via mint coa number plus the Pcgs cert number. Just my opinion...
@Schmitz7 said:
The Cert slab should also have the coin’s assigned PCGS number listed as well as the COA number. That way they are tied via mint coa number plus the Pcgs cert number. Just my opinion...
The coin does have the COA number and PCGS number. Why does the COA also need it? They are linked by the COA number.
If I recall the amount correctly, there's supposed to be 100 COAs personally autographed by Ryder. One of those might make it worth it to someone; just not me.
What could the possible rationale be for this unusual and extreme measure? I can't imagine a valid one.
Has this been done before for any US or foreign coin?
Are they anticipating a rampant counterfeit threat?
I'm getting a whiff of a new profit maximizing opportunity being taken.
@smokincoin said:
If I recall the amount correctly, there's supposed to be 100 COAs personally autographed by Ryder. One of those might make it worth it to someone; just not me.
This new service is being launched in conjunction with the new, low-mintage American Eagle 2019 One Ounce Silver Enhanced Reverse Proof Coin, which will be accompanied from the Mint with COAs bearing a serial number. Collectors and dealers will have an opportunity to submit these coins to PCGS at the Whitman Baltimore Winter Expo, November 14-17, as well as by PCGS’ regular submission procedures.
Note: It will cost $15 to have the COA encapsulated. "Coins must be submitted in original sealed government packaging."
You all have seen the fold-able phone, yes? How about a fold-able slab. One half the coin, the other half the cert. Half tongue-in-cheek but maybe not....hmmmmm???
For the first time, each coin is also packaged with a numbered Certificate of Authenticity. Keep your eye on this one because Director Ryder has signed the first 100 numbered Certificates of Authenticity which will be randomly mixed into our inventory!
I might just take the day off so In can have my 6 Lap Tops ready to PULL THE TRIGGER with NO distraction!
Then come into work a few hours late.😎.
Alaska time Would make it 8:00 am when they become available for me.
@Hemispherical said:
Question for dealers... is there a premium for the encapsulated COA?
It would have to be more than the slab fee ($15) to be worth it.
Question for collectors: would you pay a premium to have a piece of paper encased in plastic?
Yes. What a great idea. I'm not allowed direct contact but it would be interesting to know who thought of this marketing option. I don't think it can be easily copied in such a nice "fit-to-card" slab by the other top grading service.
How many of these will be available thru the website/phone on the first day? I think it will be about 17.500. Many will be at the Whitman Show in Baltimore. Then there is the 4 mint stores allocations.
@djm said:
How many of these will be available thru the website/phone on the first day? I think it will be about 17.500. Many will be at the Whitman Show in Baltimore. Then there is the 4 mint stores allocations.
I don't think there's any chance they redirect almost half the mintage. I would be shocked if there were more than a few hundred at each Mint start and more than a couple thousand in Baltimore.
@djm said:
How many of these will be available thru the website/phone on the first day? I think it will be about 17.500. Many will be at the Whitman Show in Baltimore. Then there is the 4 mint stores allocations.
These will not be available at any retail mint locations.
I wouldn’t think more than 1.000 at Baltimore
The 2019 American Eagle Once Ounce Silver Enhanced Reverse Proof Coin will also be available at the Mint’s sales centers in Washington, D.C.; Philadelphia; and Denver. Availability may be limited and subject to change.
@MilesWaits said:
For the first time, each coin is also packaged with a numbered Certificate of Authenticity. Keep your eye on this one because Director Ryder has signed the first 100 numbered Certificates of Authenticity which will be randomly mixed into our inventory!
I wonder if there will be a bounty for signed certificate # 1 ??
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The 2019 American Eagle Once Ounce Silver Enhanced Reverse Proof Coin will also be available at the Mint’s sales centers in Washington, D.C.; Philadelphia; and Denver. Availability may be limited and subject to change.
Interesting. I was personally at the USM retail location in Philadelphia on Monday the 4th - they specifically said the will NOT have any of these coins for sale - only online.
I suppose the USM has revised their position. I will be in Philadelphia on the 14th - guess i'll be making a trip!
Will do. About 5 blocks down the street on the 14th. I will call to see what their process will be - line? tickets? etc.
I suppose the USM purchase receipt would allow for "First Day of Issue" labelling as well - as PCGS has previously done.
@MilesWaits said:
For the first time, each coin is also packaged with a numbered Certificate of Authenticity. Keep your eye on this one because Director Ryder has signed the first 100 numbered Certificates of Authenticity which will be randomly mixed into our inventory!
I wonder if there will be a bounty for signed certificate # 1 ??
No doubt #1 Will be headlined very soon as changing hands at $100,000 ! Anyone in the mood for instant fame ?
😂
The 2019 American Eagle Once Ounce Silver Enhanced Reverse Proof Coin will also be available at the Mint’s sales centers in Washington, D.C.; Philadelphia; and Denver. Availability may be limited and subject to change.
Interesting. I was personally at the USM retail location in Philadelphia on Monday the 4th - they specifically said the will NOT have any of these coins for sale - only online.
I suppose the USM has revised their position. I will be in Philadelphia on the 14th - guess i'll be making a trip!
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To make a deal to buy and allow the seller an out if he/she "says" I didn't get one is more than fair but leaving yourself open for shady sellers. Top out at $200 you'll get every one at $350. Up to $700 by the time they arrive you won't get as many. I have also honored deals that went up after I made the deal, I kick myself in the ass then ship. I bought 3 items from Chewy.com a couple weeks ago. There were only 2 in the box. I was pissed, not because of human error we all can make but because I now had to have someone believe I wasn't lying. It is unacceptable to me to have to tell someone I made a deal with that I can't honor my deal because I didn't get the coin and putting them in the position of having to believe me and thinking it is possible I'm cheating the buyer. I don't need it in hand before I make a deal just a confirmed order.
@Hemispherical said:
Aren’t the sales of all these products by a contractor, PFSWeb, or maybe a different GAO contractor?
I do not think the people at the Mint stores are GS employees.
@7over8 Please do let us know, post a pic, if you get one in-hand at one of the stores.
PFSweb is the fulfillment contractor. Meaning they run the ordering computers, box up the products ordered for shipment and ship. Like if you owned a manufacturing plant and had a contractor do the catalog portion of taking orders and shipping for a contracted fee. You would concentrate on making the product and the contractor would handle the sales and shipping for you.
I remember a post in a past thread confirming the mint gift shops are not mint employees but are a contracted service like in other government facilities, hospitals etc. Aramark is the current vendor.
The gift shop and the Denver Mint have the same address.
@JimTyler said:
To make a deal to buy and allow the seller an out if he/she "says" I didn't get one is more than fair but leaving yourself open for shady sellers. Top out at $200 you'll get every one at $350. Up to $700 by the time they arrive you won't get as many. I have also honored deals that went up after I made the deal, I kick myself in the ass then ship. I bought 3 items from Chewy.com a couple weeks ago. There were only 2 in the box. I was pissed, not because of human error we all can make but because I now had to have someone believe I wasn't lying. It is unacceptable to me to have to tell someone I made a deal with that I can't honor my deal because I didn't get the coin and putting them in the position of having to believe me and thinking it is possible I'm cheating the buyer. I don't need it in hand before I make a deal just a confirmed order.
I agree, but I have to trust people to be honest. If they come through, I know who to rely on next time and they get the special price. If they don't...meh...that's why I keep my day job.
As I've said all along, if this coin fizzles I'm going to get everyone I locked in. If it gets hot, I might get none. LOL. You take your shot and see if it hits.
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Wow looks like a well behaved and orderly line . Are those unemployed Actors lined up at the back door over the wsekend ? Displaced GM workers seeking Employment with the Mint?
Soon , hopefully , displaced UAW staffers Will be lined up like that seeking a payout from another source of influence. Anywhere but the "Big 3".
they say you wait in lines 2.5 years of your life, self checkout will reduce that number a tad
So about twice the time that you spend on a toilet in one's life?
I wonder which one is considered more productive....
Well doing #2 is #1 IMO.
and speaking of #1 vs #2, I’m surprised we haven’t seen a new thread started on “where is my thread complaining of where my poll went, thread!?
That will help distract you from the stress of the upcoming sale of this soon to be missing in action issue from the Mint.
Oh those polls... Wasn’t the first and second closed? Let’s see if there is a three? Hmm... maybe not.
I'm sure he'll blame me.
PCGS ANNOUNCES NEW DUAL ENCAPSULATION OF U.S. MINT SERIALIZED COAS ALONGSIDE 2019 REVERSE PROOF AMERICAN SILVER EAGLES
https://pcgs.com/news/pcgs-announces-dual-encapsulation-coa?utm_source=email&utm_medium=marketingemail&utm_campaign=email-pcgs-coa-2019nov8&spMailingID=60949028&spUserID=Mzc0ODE0NTk0NjgS1&spJobID=1761124182&spReportId=MTc2MTEyNDE4MgS2
This new service is being launched in conjunction with the new, low-mintage American Eagle 2019 One Ounce Silver Enhanced Reverse Proof Coin, which will be accompanied from the Mint with COAs bearing a serial number. Collectors and dealers will have an opportunity to submit these coins to PCGS at the Whitman Baltimore Winter Expo, November 14-17, as well as by PCGS’ regular submission procedures.
Note: It will cost $15 to have the COA encapsulated. "Coins must be submitted in original sealed government packaging."
Wow that's sure different. Could I get my COA graded too?
Question for dealers... is there a premium for the encapsulated COA?
It would have to be more than the slab fee ($15) to be worth it.
Question for collectors: would you pay a premium to have a piece of paper encased in plastic?
The Cert slab should also have the coin’s assigned PCGS number listed as well as the COA number. That way they are tied via mint coa number plus the Pcgs cert number. Just my opinion...
No on the COA!
Well, just Love coins, period.
The coin does have the COA number and PCGS number. Why does the COA also need it? They are linked by the COA number.
If I recall the amount correctly, there's supposed to be 100 COAs personally autographed by Ryder. One of those might make it worth it to someone; just not me.
I suspect those signed ones are given to special people or sold at the Mint’s stores... ??
What could the possible rationale be for this unusual and extreme measure? I can't imagine a valid one.
Has this been done before for any US or foreign coin?
Are they anticipating a rampant counterfeit threat?
I'm getting a whiff of a new profit maximizing opportunity being taken.
Posted earlier in this thread:
$15.
BWAhahahahahaha....
The question to be asked is...
...what slab box will this fit in?
Wonder if they will let me send in my Apollo 11 poster/pictures That I have collected. There a much lower count?
You all have seen the fold-able phone, yes? How about a fold-able slab. One half the coin, the other half the cert. Half tongue-in-cheek but maybe not....hmmmmm???
A countdown clock, lol...
Note that last line... HHL's forever...
For the first time, each coin is also packaged with a numbered Certificate of Authenticity. Keep your eye on this one because Director Ryder has signed the first 100 numbered Certificates of Authenticity which will be randomly mixed into our inventory!
I might just take the day off so In can have my 6 Lap Tops ready to PULL THE TRIGGER with NO distraction!
Then come into work a few hours late.😎.
Alaska time Would make it 8:00 am when they become available for me.
Yes. What a great idea. I'm not allowed direct contact but it would be interesting to know who thought of this marketing option. I don't think it can be easily copied in such a nice "fit-to-card" slab by the other top grading service.
Based on some of the pre-sales/auctions on the Bay, the cost of the slabbed COA is nothing.
How many of these will be available thru the website/phone on the first day? I think it will be about 17.500. Many will be at the Whitman Show in Baltimore. Then there is the 4 mint stores allocations.
I don't think there's any chance they redirect almost half the mintage. I would be shocked if there were more than a few hundred at each Mint start and more than a couple thousand in Baltimore.
These will not be available at any retail mint locations.
I wouldn’t think more than 1.000 at Baltimore
Interestingly, someone will post a pic of their purchase, from a Mint store... it happens.
From the Mint Press Release dated 11/8
https://usmint.gov/news/press-releases/2019-american-eagle-one-ounce-silver-enhanced-reverse-proof-coin-on-sale-nov-14
The 2019 American Eagle Once Ounce Silver Enhanced Reverse Proof Coin will also be available at the Mint’s sales centers in Washington, D.C.; Philadelphia; and Denver. Availability may be limited and subject to change.
I wonder if there will be a bounty for signed certificate # 1 ??
that set has probably already been spoke for, the mint has it reserved for a vip
Interesting. I was personally at the USM retail location in Philadelphia on Monday the 4th - they specifically said the will NOT have any of these coins for sale - only online.
I suppose the USM has revised their position. I will be in Philadelphia on the 14th - guess i'll be making a trip!
Aren’t the sales of all these products by a contractor, PFSWeb, or maybe a different GAO contractor?
I do not think the people at the Mint stores are GS employees.
@7over8 Please do let us know, post a pic, if you get one in-hand at one of the stores.
Will do. About 5 blocks down the street on the 14th. I will call to see what their process will be - line? tickets? etc.
I suppose the USM purchase receipt would allow for "First Day of Issue" labelling as well - as PCGS has previously done.
No doubt #1 Will be headlined very soon as changing hands at $100,000 ! Anyone in the mood for instant fame ?
😂
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
To make a deal to buy and allow the seller an out if he/she "says" I didn't get one is more than fair but leaving yourself open for shady sellers. Top out at $200 you'll get every one at $350. Up to $700 by the time they arrive you won't get as many. I have also honored deals that went up after I made the deal, I kick myself in the ass then ship. I bought 3 items from Chewy.com a couple weeks ago. There were only 2 in the box. I was pissed, not because of human error we all can make but because I now had to have someone believe I wasn't lying. It is unacceptable to me to have to tell someone I made a deal with that I can't honor my deal because I didn't get the coin and putting them in the position of having to believe me and thinking it is possible I'm cheating the buyer. I don't need it in hand before I make a deal just a confirmed order.
If you open to see the cert number you blew your chance to sell at unopened price. Not worth it.
I dont think there is a difference between an opened and an unopened box price.
AFAIK, the Mint stores are run by Aramark.
You need to keep the box sealed if you want our hosts to encapsulate the CoA.
Not gonna be in that game...
PFSweb is the fulfillment contractor. Meaning they run the ordering computers, box up the products ordered for shipment and ship. Like if you owned a manufacturing plant and had a contractor do the catalog portion of taking orders and shipping for a contracted fee. You would concentrate on making the product and the contractor would handle the sales and shipping for you.
I remember a post in a past thread confirming the mint gift shops are not mint employees but are a contracted service like in other government facilities, hospitals etc. Aramark is the current vendor.
The gift shop and the Denver Mint have the same address.
That would be a first. You think you're getting the big bucks for open cherry picked coins ? Let me know how that works out for you.
There is ALWAYS a price difference between an opened and an unopened box.
From the Mint Press Release:
It will cost $15 to have the COA encapsulated. "Coins must be submitted in original sealed government packaging."
So if you are sending in to PCGS for grading, with or without the COA encapsulated option, you will have to send the original sealed shipping box.
I agree, but I have to trust people to be honest. If they come through, I know who to rely on next time and they get the special price. If they don't...meh...that's why I keep my day job.
As I've said all along, if this coin fizzles I'm going to get everyone I locked in. If it gets hot, I might get none. LOL. You take your shot and see if it hits.
So....you won't know if you have a certificate until PCGS opens the OGP for you.