FED panics over dollar funding, QE next step?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 69,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Somebody, somewhere has some idea of what might be going on - maybe.... :p Cheers, RickO

  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2019 10:48AM

    FED buys back control of rates: $75 billion in "re" purchases.

    "The New York Federal Reserve Bank on Tuesday stepped into financial markets for the first time in more than a decade to keep interest rates in line with the Fed's target. The New York Fed said the $75 billion in repurchase agreements -- known as "repos" -- were made "in order to help maintain the federal funds rate within the target range of 2 to 2-1/4 percent."

    Yepper, the market took the rate away from the FED and the FED bought it back. QE by any other name.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "in more than a decade"

    repos and reverse repos pre-date QE and are not QE, Quantitative Easing. QE created money from nothing. The newly created money bought up Treasuries and brought down interest rates. This keystroked money brought up banks' excess reserve balances. These are separate accounts from the SOMAccount.

    the repo comes from an OMOperation. In this case they bought up the short end to lower yields and influence down the upward bound of the fed funds rate. This added no new money to the Fed Balance sheet.

    There was no QE.

    It has been claimed in the news that the Fed Balance sheet may not have room for more such repos. Back when the Fed's balance sheet was under $1T and it was also before QE, the Feds had no problem with repos. They'd do repos on consecutive days. So, I doubt that they are out of ammunition in their SOMA after only 1 repo, but it really is a question for the Fed isn't it? Me? I chalk the talk up to erroneous speculation. However, It's kind of like thinking there has to be guided missiles or long-range guidance of oil processing plant attack drones. Until it is known, then no one really knows. (And that also goes the same for the people in the news, doesn't it?)

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    read the OP link.
    Treasury Purchases next. Permanent (QE), unlike temporary repos.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will.

    watch the FOMC q&a session to see if he is asked any questions about it. I can't watch it.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    repos and reverse repos and I forgot overnight reverse repos are part of the feds open market operations and were used even several days in a rows well before QE was even conceived.

    these omo are not QE. more to follow.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    as stated earlier, and as shown in the last crisis, they are the prelude to QE

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/opolicy/operating_policy_190918

    Operating Policy
    Statement Regarding Repurchase Operation
    September 18, 2019

    In accordance with the FOMC Directive issued September 18, 2019, the Open Market Trading Desk (the Desk) at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York will conduct an overnight repurchase agreement (repo) operation from 8:15 AM ET to 8:30 AM ET tomorrow, Thursday, September 19, 2019, in order to help maintain the federal funds rate within the target range of 1-3/4 to 2 percent.

    This repo operation will be conducted with Primary Dealers for up to an aggregate amount of $75 billion. Securities eligible as collateral in the repo include Treasury, agency debt, and agency mortgage-backed securities. Primary Dealers will be permitted to submit up to two propositions per security type. There will be a limit of $10 billion per proposition submitted in this operation. Propositions will be awarded based on their attractiveness relative to a benchmark rate for each collateral type, and are subject to a minimum bid rate of 1.80 percent.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Repo round 3. LOL

    Powell Confirms QE4 Is Coming, Just Not Today: "It is certainly possible that we’ll need to resume the organic growth of the balance sheet sooner than we thought.”

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2019 3:05PM

    testing to make sure everyone is ready

    https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/opolicy/operating_policy_190506

    as stated this was in May. These are operations tests. the fact they run tests means these omos are nothing new.


    The New York Fed undertakes certain small value open market transactions from time to time for the purpose of testing operational readiness to implement existing and potential policy directives from the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC). The FOMC authorizes the New York Fed's Open Market Trading Desk (the Desk) to conduct these exercises to test its operational readiness in the Authorization for Domestic Open Market Operations and Authorization for Foreign Currency Operations.

    In connection with these authorizations, the Desk intends to conduct a series of four small value repo and reverse repo operations during the month of May. Each operation will begin around 9:40 AM ET, and end at 10:00 AM ET and be open to Primary Dealers and/or Reverse Repo Counterparties. All counterparties will be limited to one $1 million proposition per tranche during each operation.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2019 2:57PM

    considering they periodically test, it is humiliating that the top central bank posts this:

    https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/opolicy/operating_policy_190917

    Operating Policy
    Statement Regarding Repurchase Operation
    September 17, 2019

    In accordance with the FOMC Directive issued July 31, 2019, the Open Market Trading Desk (the Desk) at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York will conduct an overnight repurchase agreement (repo) operation from 9:30 AM ET to 9:45 AM ET today, September 17, 2019, in order to help maintain the federal funds rate within the target range of 2 to 2-1/4 percent.

    This repo operation will be conducted with Primary Dealers for up to an aggregate amount of $75 billion. Securities eligible as collateral in the repo include Treasury, agency debt, and agency mortgage-backed securities. Primary Dealers will be permitted to submit up to two propositions per security type. There will be a limit of $10 billion per proposition submitted in this operation. Propositions will be awarded based on their attractiveness relative to a benchmark rate for each collateral type, and are subject to a minimum bid rate of 2.10 percent

    *Due to technical difficulties the repo operation was rescheduled to run from 9:55 AM ET to 10:10 AM ET.


    My bad!

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2019 6:39PM

    point to make # 1

    below this paragraph at the bottom is a table of data:

    Ever since March 20, this fear is front and center because as shown in the chart below, starting on March 20, the effective Fed Funds rate rose above the IOER first by just 1 basis point. The Fed attempted to technically tamp this down.. and failed. But today the Effective Fed Funds Rate has exploded....

    source of table of data:
    https://apps.newyorkfed.org/markets/autorates/fed funds

    below the table of data is a chart not shown nor referenced in the article:


    point - the fed funds rate is set to a range for a reason. it's a market. they take action as necessary to keep things in the range. on march 20 forward, the EFFR was in the desired range.

    that is what they got wrong. they highlighted some "front and center fear" when there was none...... note the graphed variance after march both above and below 2.4%. Where is the fear via repos? nowhere. the EFFR is within the desired range.

    but they would get it right yesterday if they actually had yesterday's data -- note the ZH published table excludes yesterday's data -- when the EFFR did venture (explode?) higher above the range yesterday.

    (Also note in their displayed table of data that the red highlighting does not highlight the "target range")

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2019 4:17PM

    Why is the NY Fed pumping billions into the money market?

    "More generally, more government securities have built up on the balance sheets of private firms these days as the Fed has begun to wind down the massive holdings of Treasury paper it amassed during the global financial crisis -- which has also sucked cash out of the market."

    Appears that the FED's unwinding of its balance sheet is creating the problem that the FED, for three strait days now, is trying to fix with even further direct market intervention.

    Maybe FED should just leave markets alone.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2019 4:39PM

    what is IOER?

    The interest rate on excess reserves (IOER rate) is also determined by the Board and gives the Federal Reserve an additional tool for the conduct of monetary policy. According to the Policy Normalization Principles and Plans adopted by the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), during monetary policy normalization, the Federal Reserve intends to move the federal funds rate into the target range set by the FOMC primarily by adjusting the IOER rate.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reqresbalances.htm

    the primary TOOL to keep it in a RANGE.

    the setting for the IOER is 1.80, effective tomorrow, as shown on the page.note in the DDP - data download package - the current IOER is 2.10. Please note, both are inside the respective Fed Funds Ranges.

    to manipulate the bottom of the range they also use overnight reverse repo operations ON RRP:

    https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/domestic-market-operations/monetary-policy-implementation/repo-reverse-repo-agreements

    Currently, the Desk conducts overnight reverse repo operations daily as a means to help keep the federal funds rate in the target range set by the FOMC. The overnight reverse repo program (ON RRP) is used to supplement the Federal Reserve's primary monetary policy tool, interest on excess reserves (IOER) for depository institutions, to help control short-term interest rates. ON RRP operations support interest rate control by setting a floor on wholesale short-term interest rates, beneath which financial institutions with access to these facilities should be unwilling to lend funds.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2019 5:03PM

    yeah ZH thinks IOER is a hard ceiling when the monetary policy tools (and IOER is the primary tool) show the rates are to be in a range.

    the only thing to explode was their use of the word explode to describe something that stayed within the desired FF range.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Why is the NY Fed pumping billions into the money market?

    "More generally, more government securities have built up on the balance sheets of private firms these days as the Fed has begun to wind down the massive holdings of Treasury paper it amassed during the global financial crisis -- which has also sucked cash out of the market."

    Appears that the FED's unwinding of its balance sheet is creating the problem that the FED, for three strait days now, is trying to fix with even further direct market intervention.

    Maybe FED should just leave markets alone.

    ah

    now a cause and a reason for the repo shows up.

    short term repo rates spiked up towards 10% Tuesday.** these rates are typically between institutions outside the fed's friends and family and can be longer than overnight.

    **
    (This is shown in the ZH article in the first graph titled "overnight repo." I can't find the source data for this and don't have access to any place that does. I'll take it at face value.)

    the Fed stepped in. it did not step in just because of the unwinding of the fed balance sheet causing problems -- if it did. That is or would be only a fraction of the story.

    the cause....
    (I only saw the first bit from a ZH story here:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dollar-funding-storm-set-make-landfall-weeks-what-happens-next )
    .... there was a super short term dollar shortage of sorts out and about.

    the attributed reasons (plural) -
    I was listening to the radio on the way around this a.m. one talking head said that it could be a lack of trust in treasuries. does the market act like there is a lack of trust of treasuries right now? I'll add that another reason for a nose bleed near 10% rate could be a breakdown in counterparty trust. Does the market look like there is a breakdown in counterparty trust? Is Cramer pounding the desk saying firms will be going out of business and to open the darn fed window? no and no. Maybe it is just a lack of funds a/k/a liquidity a/k/a cash, which is what media has picked up on.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiY5trW8dvkAhUqZN8KHWcIDRsQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/feds-repo-rescue-leaves-many-searching-for-answers-11568747574&usg=AOvVaw3yO-UHvL5PUL5WvWdOAXQC
    Market participants on Tuesday were mostly at a loss to explain the magnitude of the spike. Most cited a confluence of unrelated factors that in isolation would pose no huge threat but combined to roil the market. Corporations paid their quarterly taxes, and the government collected payment for Treasury bills it sold to dealers last week. Both sucked billions of dollars out of banks and money-market funds, which created a pinch in available short-term funding. The Fed’s intervention Tuesday made more cash available to those seeking to borrow, normalizing rates.

    In addition, I heard on tv that there was also a lot of corporate debt issued recently, too.

    And about the fed balance sheet... they have been edging small amounts of short ended treasuries off their balance sheet into the treasury market. it has to be bought with cash, of course. The questions revolve around small and the timing of the sales.

    I don't know about if they are still doing it. I do point this out:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-balancesheet/fed-announces-plan-to-end-balance-sheet-runoff-in-september-idUSKCN1R12QA
    _By September, the U.S. central bank said its current practice of allowing up to $50 billion of Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities (MBS) to roll off its balance sheet each month will come to an end if the economy evolves “about as expected.” _

    small? -
    $50billion of just treasuries in a month is not a lot at all (and they may or may not still be doing it)
    https://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/annceresult/press/preanre/2019/R_20190905_1.pdf
    that is $55B of 4 week bills. One auction of One type: 4 week bills.

    so the fed's normalization effect is or would be just a fraction of the issue, plus there is no requirement they do all $50B (in case of adverse market conditions they may adjust it down)

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  • rawteam1rawteam1 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭

    Thee market has always dictated the rates... price also for that matter...

    keceph `anah
  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fed loses control of its own interest rate as it cut rates — ‘This just doesn’t look good’

    "Market pros said the problem came from a cash crunch, not a credit crisis, but the Fed will have to find a permanent fix for it before it impacts the financial system. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said he expects the market to steady and said the Fed is ready to intervene as needed."

    Warm up the presses.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 19, 2019 7:13AM

    I would say the cash crunch has the true fault of the firms needing the cash.

    perhaps the """permanent""" fix rests with the firms not getting themselves in that position again.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Individuals don't need cash, they have credit cards. Maybe those people are hoarding cash out of fear.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Permanent Open Market Operations (POMO) is just a fancy name for QE.

    Purchases on an outright basis that add reserves and change the size or the composition of the System Open Market Account or the FED's balance sheet are known as quantitative easing.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 19,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    10 billion here, 50 billion there. Pretty soon, it begins to add up to real money.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    10 billion here, 50 billion there. Pretty soon, it begins to add up to real money.

    Oh it's real money. Last time I looked the debt hit $22T now we are more than halfway to $23T. Seems like just a few short months ago.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/opolicy/operating_policy_190919

    Operating Policy
    Statement Regarding Repurchase Operation
    September 19, 2019

    In accordance with the FOMC Directive issued September 18, 2019, the Open Market Trading Desk (the Desk) at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York will conduct an overnight repurchase agreement (repo) operation from 8:15 AM ET to 8:30 AM ET tomorrow, Friday, September 20, 2019, in order to help maintain the federal funds rate within the target range of 1-3/4 to 2 percent.

    This repo operation will be conducted with Primary Dealers for up to an aggregate amount of $75 billion. Securities eligible as collateral in the repo include Treasury, agency debt, and agency mortgage-backed securities. Primary Dealers will be permitted to submit up to two propositions per security type. There will be a limit of $10 billion per proposition submitted in this operation. Propositions will be awarded based on their attractiveness relative to a benchmark rate for each collateral type, and are subject to a minimum bid rate of 1.80 percent.

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  • rawteam1rawteam1 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:

    @jmski52 said:
    10 billion here, 50 billion there. Pretty soon, it begins to add up to real money.

    Oh it's real money. Last time I looked the debt hit $22T now we are more than halfway to $23T. Seems like just a few short months ago.

    Lol, it’s not real, it’s numbers on a time clock, accessible to virtually anyone around the world, especially those who like to see things move...

    keceph `anah
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 19, 2019 3:32PM

    https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/domestic-market-operations/monetary-policy-implementation/repo-reverse-repo-agreements

    In a repo transaction, the Desk purchases Treasury, agency debt, or agency mortgage-backed securities (MBS) from a counterparty subject to an agreement to resell the securities at a later date. It is economically similar to a loan collateralized by securities having a value higher than the loan to protect the Desk against market and credit risk. Repo transactions temporarily increase the quantity of reserve balances in the banking system.

    In a reverse repo transaction, the opposite occurs: the Desk sells securities to a counterparty subject to an agreement to repurchase the securities at a later date at a higher repurchase price. Reverse repo transactions temporarily reduce the quantity of reserve balances in the banking system.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a repo is not QE lite.

    in a repo operation the Desk purchases with a required "sell back to" date.

    These are ultra short term actions.

    No money is keystroked into creation.

    QE lite is a total misrepresentation of the operation.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh, and for those wondering why the Fed did a repo, the answer is simple: it did not want to launch QE just yet.

    @derryb said:
    Fed loses control of its own interest rate as it cut rates — ‘This just doesn’t look good’

    "Market pros said the problem came from a cash crunch, not a credit crisis, but the Fed will have to find a permanent fix for it before it impacts the financial system. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said he expects the market to steady and said the Fed is ready to intervene as needed."

    Warm up the presses.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2019 3:45PM

    Operating Policy
    Statement Regarding Repurchase Operations
    September 20, 2019

    In accordance with the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) directive issued September 18, 2019, the Open Market Trading Desk (the Desk) at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York will conduct a series of overnight and term repurchase agreement (repo) operations to help maintain the federal funds rate within the target range.

    The Desk will offer three 14-day term repo operations for an aggregate amount of at least $30 billion each, as indicated in the schedule below. The Desk also will offer daily overnight repo operations for an aggregate amount of at least $75 billion each, until Thursday, October 10, 2019. Awarded amounts may be less than the amount offered, depending on the total quantity of eligible propositions submitted. Securities eligible as collateral include Treasury, agency debt, and agency mortgage-backed securities. Additional details about the operations will be released each afternoon for the following day’s operation(s).

    After October 10, 2019, the Desk will conduct operations as necessary to help maintain the federal funds rate in the target range, the amounts and timing of which have not yet been determined.

    Schedule of Overnight and Term Repurchase Agreement Operations
    Operation Date........... ....... Overnight.... .................. 14-day Term............. Term Maturity Date
    Monday, 9/23/2019........... $75 billion.................. No term operation
    Tuesday, 9/24/2019......... At least $75 billion...... At least $30 billion....... Tuesday, 10/08/2019
    Wednesday, 9/25/2019... At least $75 billion...... No term operation
    Thursday, 9/26/2019....... At least $75 billion...... At least $30 billion........ Thursday, 10/10/2019
    Friday, 9/27/2019............ At least $75 billion...... At least $30 billion......... Friday, 10/11/2019
    Monday, 9/30/2019 –
    Thursday, 10/10/2019.... At least $75 billion...... No term operations

    For Monday, September 23, 2019, the Desk will conduct an overnight repo operation for an aggregate amount of up to $75 billion. The operation will be conducted from 8:15 AM ET to 8:30 AM ET. Primary Dealers will be permitted to submit up to two propositions per security type. There will be a limit of $10 billion per proposition submitted in this operation. Propositions will be awarded based on their attractiveness relative to a benchmark rate for each collateral type, and are subject to a minimum bid rate of 1.80 percent.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    I would say the cash crunch has the true fault of the people needing the cash.

    perhaps the """permanent""" fix rests with the firms not getting themselves in that position again.

    @derryb said:
    Individuals don't need cash, they have credit cards. Maybe those people are hoarding cash out of fear.

    While those looking to make new trades could just not make them, this is not sufficient.

    I get to say that I think I'm wrong and ZH has a point to make.

    more to follow.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:

    And about the fed balance sheet... they have been edging small amounts of short ended treasuries off their balance sheet into the treasury market. it has to be bought with cash, of course. The questions revolve around small and the timing of the sales.

    I don't know about if they are still doing it.

    on cnbc this a.m., the fed vice chair said they stopped selling their QE purchases 2 months ago and, as reported, will grow the fed balane sheet organically.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2019 7:18PM

    "organically." LOL
    does that involve synthetic/artificial money?

    The FED hit the panic button after the rate for overnight borrowing spiked 4 fold and injected $128 Billion In emergency liquidity to the banks In 48 rs. While not "officially" QE, sounds like pretty good start.

    this just the beginning of a panic in interest rates.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NY Fed to pump $75 bn into money markets daily through Oct 10

    It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas QE.

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No panic that I can see except for maybe the conspiracy theorists over at zero hedge lol

  • shortnockshortnock Posts: 120 ✭✭✭

    What does all this mean in little words?

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 21, 2019 9:03AM

    @shortnock said:
    What does all this mean in little words?

    Boo!!👻


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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shortnock said:
    What does all this mean in little words?

    FED is spending an unplanned $75B a day (at least until Oct. 10) to keep the market from determining a higher interest rate on what banks borrow from each other in the very short term to maintain required cash reserves that are set by the FED. It means there is a liquidity crisis and the FED will have to make a choice between a lower requirement for bank cash reserves or some form of quantitative easing (QE). Cash reserves are one of the tools that protects the economy from bad banks. Lower that and you increase risk of bank failure.

    But nothing to worry about. LOL.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 21, 2019 9:46AM

    @blitzdude said:
    No panic that I can see except for maybe the conspiracy theorists over at zero hedge lol

    And the FED is not in panic mode? They didn't even see this coming. LOL.

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @blitzdude said:
    No panic that I can see except for maybe the conspiracy theorists over at zero hedge lol

    And the FED is not in panic mode? They didn't even see this coming. LOL.

    I predict the sun will rise tomorrow and my girls will gift me another dozen eggs. Business as usual.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    start at 9 minutes and you won't miss discussions of the repo market
    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/09/20/watch-cnbcs-full-interview-with-fed-vice-chair-richard-clarida.html

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @blitzdude said:
    No panic that I can see except for maybe the conspiracy theorists over at zero hedge lol

    And the FED is not in panic mode? They didn't even see this coming. LOL.

    from the above video, they saw tightening in the overnight repo market but it did turn out more than expected.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 21, 2019 1:03PM

    @derryb said:
    "organically." LOL
    does that involve synthetic/artificial money?

    this is also mentioned in the video.

    organic balance sheet growth is the growth that occured before QE and the financial crisis.

    it is not QE

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 23,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    this one is for you derryb

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/10/understanding-the-fed-balance-sheet.asp

    The Meaning of Liability

    The Fed can very well discharge its existing liabilities by creating additional liabilities. For instance, if you take your $100 bill to the Fed, it can very well pay you back in five 20-dollar bills or any other combination you like. The Fed can't in any manner be compelled to discharge its liabilities in terms of any other tangible good or services. At best, you could receive government securities by paying back in dollars whenever the Fed is selling. Beyond this, the Fed liabilities are only as good as something written on a piece of paper. In a nutshell, paper promises beget only other kinds of paper promises.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 21, 2019 5:43PM

    Former Head of NY Fed’s Trading Desk Warns Fed May Have to Buy More Debt to Calm Market

    When in reality the market should be calm when the FED is not buying more debt.

    “We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand

  • derrybderryb Posts: 27,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 22, 2019 4:28AM

    Finally, Why the FED had to bail out the repo market:

    "Fed is not only trying to figure out why banks with excess cash/reserves parked at the Fed did not offer it to their more liquidity-challenged peers, but why they refused to do so even though any such loan would be perfectly collateralized by money-good securities such as Treasuries, MBS and Agency debt and they refused to do it when repo rates had soared as high as 10%, an unprecedented arb to the Fed's interest rate target range."

    "One possible explanation: the banks that should have lent out cash did not do so because they were afraid that i) the borrower would not be able to return the cash on the next day and ii) any potential failure in the banking system would lead to a collapse of the repo system, potentially making their ultra-safe collateral, impaired if not worthless. Hence, their desire to hold on to cash... and dear life."

    So, now we know that their was not a liquidity shortage but that there was a shortage of willingness for banks holding all the cash to share it overnight with their peers, even at very high interest rates. We saw in 2008 that in a crisis the banks will circle the wagons and they will eat their own.

    New fear among the banks? The next crisis has started.

    “We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wake me up when people start buying gold and silver. I've got a rather large hoard I'd love to sell. I'm not getting any younger.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 19,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wake me up when people start buying gold and silver. I've got a rather large hoard I'd love to sell. I'm not getting any younger.

    Do you have any of this listed on BST or PM Forum?

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've always been amused at how "panics" occur way too late

    They took the gold out of the money. Oh well
    They inflated the fiat into near worthlessness. Hmmmmm
    They outsourced the jobs so nobody could ...earn... any of the worthless stuff. Oh doggone
    They finally backed the money with vacant shacks. Zzzzzz

    I sure hope THEY fix all of this. :D

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