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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not necessary. . . in a healthy economy.

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2019 11:11PM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    this is now reserve balances they are targeting. allegedly this is temporary. I think I recall them saying this will last into Q2 next year.

    Well, QE 1, 2 and 3 were also temporary. If any one of them did the job, why was the next one necessary?

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i guess more temporary than them.

    they are low on details with this.

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2019 3:29AM

    Turns out the liquidity crisis with repos is a result of money gushing out of hedge funds by the tens of billions of dollars. (This is money being pulled from stocks and bonds.)

    "According to a report at eVestment, investors pulled $29.37 billion from hedge funds in the third quarter of this year, bringing the total year-to-date to an eyebrow-raising $76.86 billion. That’s more than twice the amount that was withdrawn in all of last year. Hedge funds are highly-leveraged, so $76.86 billion in withdrawals could translate into hundreds of billions of dollars of liquidations in stock and bond markets. The report further notes that this is the “sixth consecutive quarterly outflow.”

    "Supporting the thesis that a surge in hedge fund withdrawals at least partly explains the liquidity crisis on Wall Street that has prompted the Fed to restore its money funnel, the Financial Times reported on October 1 that the CFO of a “top-10 US bank” told it that “We have plenty of liquidity. We are just choosing not to lend it out overnight to hedge funds.”

    "It’s long past the time for Congressional hearings on the Fed’s newly constructed money spigot to Wall Street as the U.S. taxpayer is the ultimate backstop for the Fed’s $4 trillion and rapidly growing balance sheet."

    Worth repeating: "Hedge funds are highly-leveraged, so $76.86 billion in withdrawals could translate into hundreds of billions of dollars of liquidations in stock and bond markets."

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow!!!....that sure is a lot of money!!!

    Sure is good that that represents 0.0011% of the value of the US stock and bond market.

    Scary times indeed!!

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2019 8:29AM

    @cohodk said:
    Wow!!!....that sure is a lot of money!!!

    Sure is good that that represents 0.0011% of the value of the US stock and bond market.

    Scary times indeed!!

    Well, appears to have the FED concerned. What they do is waaaaaaaaaay more important/relevant than what you say.

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:
    Wow!!!....that sure is a lot of money!!!

    Sure is good that that represents 0.0011% of the value of the US stock and bond market.

    Scary times indeed!!

    The world is awash with goods and services, the crisis is one of excess choices.. ever go to one of those restaurants and the menu is a book with several pages?

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Baley said:

    @cohodk said:
    Wow!!!....that sure is a lot of money!!!

    Sure is good that that represents 0.0011% of the value of the US stock and bond market.

    Scary times indeed!!

    The world is awash with goods and services, the crisis is one of excess choices.. ever go to one of those restaurants and the menu is a book with several pages?

    The real crisis is one of excessive choices to slap on the credit card.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To derryb, Cinderella is a horror story.

    Who needs Stephen King when we have Dr. Seuss?

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:
    Wow!!!....that sure is a lot of money!!!

    Sure is good that that represents 0.0011% of the value of the US stock and bond market.

    Scary times indeed!!

    Well, appears to have the FED concerned. What they do is waaaaaaaaaay more important/relevant than what you say.

    So we went from panic to concern. Guess it's a move in the right direction. lol

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    speak for yourself. I have no need to panic, I'm insured.

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Buncha happy campers we are

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Give Me Liberty or Give Me Debt

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    ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reminds me of a movie I watched recently:

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2019 7:54AM

    i saw that movie, what was the name of it

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "They Live", and that's
    Rowdy Roddy Piper

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    John Mauldin: "In less than 12 months we have seen the Fed raise rates, cut rates, shrink its balance sheet, expand its balance sheet, inject liquidity, withdraw liquidity, and do who knows what else behind the scenes. Either Fed officials are confused or we are at some kind of economic turning point."

    If only the FED was half as smart as Coho thinks he is.

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No panic from the fed, panic from PM sellers? Absolutely.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    If only the FED was half as smart as Coho thinks he is.

    If only.

    Looks like typical navigation of the economic cycle. Probably is confusing for those who drive peddle to the floor in reverse.

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FED = economic cycles or, some days peanuts, some days shells.

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wall Street’s Liquidity Crisis: It’s Not Getting Better

    Tell me again. . . Just why is the FED loaning billions and billions to the banks once again?

    The fact that the biggest banks need to borrow money tells me all I need to know about their health. Got gold?

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the secondary repo market tightened up to the point of about 10%. in turn, the effective federal funds rate rose outside the target range. the fed is putting money into repos to prevent more of the same. as mentioned earlier, someone said they didn't want to lend overnight to some hedge fund.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Wall Street’s Liquidity Crisis: It’s Not Getting Better

    Tell me again. . . Just why is the FED loaning billions and billions to the banks once again?

    >

    To enable you.

    The fact that the biggest banks need to borrow money tells me all I need to know about their health.

    Delusional paranoia susceptible to manipulation theory. Dummy.

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:
    Wall Street’s Liquidity Crisis: It’s Not Getting Better

    Tell me again. . . Just why is the FED loaning billions and billions to the banks once again?

    >

    To enable you.

    The fact that the biggest banks need to borrow money tells me all I need to know about their health.

    Delusional paranoia susceptible to manipulation theory. Dummy.

    Wow, you really do need glasses. If you can't see that banks needing to borrow tens of billions is something to be concerned about, I don't think glasses are going to help.

    Those that can see the concern are not "delusional," they're quite justified. No doubt you are one of the bankers getting the money. lol.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You see ghosts.

    Boo!!

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    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    better than seeing unicorns.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just close your eyes and go with the flow.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 11, 2019 10:28AM

    @derryb said:
    just close your eyes and go with the flow.

    Not with you driving the bus!!! You dont know when to hit the brakes or accelerate or swerve or change lanes. Do you have un or underinsured or liability coverage? Folks getting seriously hurt riding on that bus.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    fully insured. lol

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    fully insured. lol

    When can we make a claim?

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    probably after you wake up.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2019 7:28AM

    @derryb said:
    probably after you wake up.

    Its all my fault. Sorry stackers. Insurance claims are on hold until i wake up. Derryb has placed great burden on me.

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ShadyDave said:
    Reminds me of a movie I watched recently:

    One of my favorites

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    rawteam1rawteam1 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Report summarizing the Federal Reserve Board’s framework for assessing the resilience of the U.S. financial system and presenting the Board’s current assessment
    https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/financial-stability-report.htm

    This report summarizes the Federal Reserve Board’s framework for assessing the resilience of the U.S. financial system and presents the Board’s current assessment. By publishing this report, the Board intends to promote public understanding and increase transparency and accountability for the Federal Reserve’s views on this topic.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/financial-stability-report-20191115.pdf

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As of Nov. 20 the FED has added $3 trillion in a period of 63 days.

    But everything is fine.

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was wondering if the panic continued. My 401K balance is certainly fine, to da moon!

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $3trillion or $300billion?

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2019 6:50PM

    @derryb said:
    As of Nov. 20 the FED has added $3 trillion in a period of 63 days.

    So a bank sells a tbill to the Fed. And the Treasury pays off tbill at maturity to the Fed, then the FED has added money to the system?

    Lol

    The Fed is simply giving a cash advance to some holders of tbills. No new money is entering the system.

    The equity markets certainly have moved higher since this repo program began.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    as for the repo market, these are loans which are either overnight or 14 day collateralized loans.

    collateral is exchaanged for cash, then vice versa.

    summing the amount of repo loans is misleading.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    summing the amount of repo loans is misleading.

    Correct.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just because Pam and Russ write it doesnt make it true either. Use you head head derryb.

    New money is not being pumped into the system. The banks already had the money in the form of tbills. The Fed is just buying those tbills from the banks. No new money.

    Why dont the banks just hold the tbill to maturity? That should be your question.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You miss the point: Why do the banks suddenly need 100's of billions in cash?

    There was a horrible reason the last time they needed this much cash.

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 28, 2019 3:09AM

    Its ok derryb. You have company

    Watch "Sam Darnold is seeing ghosts" on YouTube
    https://youtu.be/j9kbruB2KXo

    The point....you posted misinformation about $3 trillion being pumped into the markets.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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