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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats fans should be rooting for the Raiders this week when they go into KC to play the Chiefs. A Chiefs loss and Pats win at home vs NY will give NE the #1 seed.

    The Raiders should be able to put up 45 on us so I would say they have a decent chance of winning.
    There's just way too much pressure on the Chiefs offense knowing they have to be perfect to win a game.

    Its an outside shot at best but i'll take it.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How much does the terrible recent playoff record weigh on KC ? Has it reach boston bruins vs. montreal level ? I can remember growing up just knowing that however well we did as soon as we met the canadiens our season was over :D It was a given that something was going to happen and it was going to go against us.

  • PatsGuy5000PatsGuy5000 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats fans should be rooting for the Raiders this week when they go into KC to play the Chiefs. A Chiefs loss and Pats win at home vs NY will give NE the #1 seed.

    I think there is very little chance of that happening, but you never know. That Miami loss looms bigger each week 😩. Several lower seed teams in the AFC could give the Chiefs problems in the playoffs. The Pats road to the SB would be difficult in a road game based on the way they are playing.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018 7:48AM

    Raiders beating the Chiefs is a long shot but it can happen, especially with Andy Reid, I meen it’s protocol for his teams to fade towards the end of the season

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PatsGuy5000 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats fans should be rooting for the Raiders this week when they go into KC to play the Chiefs. A Chiefs loss and Pats win at home vs NY will give NE the #1 seed.

    Several lower seed teams in the AFC could give the Chiefs problems in the playoffs. The Pats road to the SB would be difficult in a road game based on the way they are playing.

    True but the Chiefs have lost two in a row as well. Even if they they don't get #1 we've seen where it ends up working in their favor anyways,just look at 2016 with KC&NE one and two in the seeding, the Chiefs then lost to the Steelers and NE played the AFCCG at home.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just noticed that there's a chance that the Chargers can still land the #1 seed along with the AFCW division title next week with a Chargers win & Chiefs loss. The Pats would be sol in that scenario with no shot at the #1 seed.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Pats fans should be rooting for the Raiders this week when they go into KC to play the Chiefs. A Chiefs loss and Pats win at home vs NY will give NE the #1 seed.

    The Raiders should be able to put up 45 on us so I would say they have a decent chance of winning.
    There's just way too much pressure on the Chiefs offense knowing they have to be perfect to win a game.

    You are kidding.......Raiders......45 points......does not compute. :/

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Andy Reid teams have history of starting strong and losing it at the end of the season. The young quarterback might be a key to breaking that pattern, but I can’t see them losing to the Oakland Teddy Bears in a home game that means something. The Patriots may have seen better days, but they are still a formidable force at home. KC has already lost a game there this season. They won’t want to repeat that.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The funny thing about the Raiders is Gruden is all in with the upcoming draft, he won’t be disappointed if he loses 🤔

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    The funny thing about the Raiders is Gruden is all in with the upcoming draft, he won’t be disappointed if he loses 🤔

    Like the Patriots of long ago, losing would be to his advantage.

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  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE's defense is only giving up 17pts a game since the bye week. That last play in the Miami game and the flags last week in Pittsburgh have overshadowed their bend but don't break defense.

    And can you believe the Offense is just as questionable as the D? I think it is, I think you will see a smart team key up on those RB’s and that will be a problem

    Buffalo on defense is one of the "smart teams" They ranked 1st in Total Defense,1st in Pass Defense & 9th in Run Defense and the Pats run game just steamrolled them repeatedly thru that game. Buffalo knew it was coming and could do nothing about it. Running the ball not only opens up their play action but it also keeps their own defense off the field.

    Last week in Pittsburgh they all but gave up on running the ball in that first half then resorted to it later when their passing game was getting them nothing. We lost a WR,Gronk has ankle issues and some of Brady's throws have been off lately so morph into a power run game and stick with,IMO. Today was the results of doing that against one of the best defenses in football.

    I totally agree that the hope is for the Pats to morph into a power running team.
    This is an opportunity for McDaniels to show how good he is. We have the personnel. This analysis of the Buffalo game is,imo, spot-on.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thisistheshow said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE's defense is only giving up 17pts a game since the bye week. That last play in the Miami game and the flags last week in Pittsburgh have overshadowed their bend but don't break defense.

    And can you believe the Offense is just as questionable as the D? I think it is, I think you will see a smart team key up on those RB’s and that will be a problem

    Buffalo on defense is one of the "smart teams" They ranked 1st in Total Defense,1st in Pass Defense & 9th in Run Defense and the Pats run game just steamrolled them repeatedly thru that game. Buffalo knew it was coming and could do nothing about it. Running the ball not only opens up their play action but it also keeps their own defense off the field.

    Last week in Pittsburgh they all but gave up on running the ball in that first half then resorted to it later when their passing game was getting them nothing. We lost a WR,Gronk has ankle issues and some of Brady's throws have been off lately so morph into a power run game and stick with,IMO. Today was the results of doing that against one of the best defenses in football.

    I totally agree that the hope is for the Pats to morph into a power running team.
    This is an opportunity for McDaniels to show how good he is. We have the personnel. This analysis of the Buffalo game is,imo, spot-on.

    Sony Michel is the only guy who will handle 20 carries, White and Burkhead don’t fit the mold for power running game backs. They absolutely need to keep those guys healthy.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018 9:13PM

    This was their power run game broken down and 21 carries from Burkhead & White shouldn't get either guy hurt. Not to mention after this Jets game on sunday is when the games start that they need to be healthy for. If they get the bye they'll have two weeks to rest up then McDaniels can run them into the ground if it means advancing to the next game,then do it again and so on.

    When I originally mentioned i wanted to see them commit to a power run game it wasn't meant to have a Jerome Bettis/Legarette Blount type RB handling the ball. I meant having the Oline,Gronk,Allen & Develin all making a hole for every was in handling the ball on that play.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    This was their power run game broken down and 21 carries from Burkhead & White shouldn't get either guy hurt. Not to mention after this Jets game on sunday is when the games start that they need to be healthy for. If they get the bye they'll have two weeks to rest up then McDaniels can run them into the ground if it means advancing to the next game,then do it again and so on.

    When I originally mentioned i wanted to see them commit to a power run game it wasn't meant to have a Jerome Bettis/Legarette Blount type RB handling the ball. I meant having the Oline,Gronk,Allen & Develin all making a hole for every was in handling the ball on that play.

    I like Hoyer's stat......his longest was -1.! :o

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    Brady is skillful enough to figure each game out as he goes along.

  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pats have who is perceived by their fans to be the greatest QB since Graham yet their best chance to win is to hand the ball off to a mediocre running back? Something does not compute.

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brick said:
    Pats have who is perceived by their fans to be the greatest QB since Graham yet their best chance to win is to hand the ball off to a mediocre running back? Something does not compute.

    Brady is hurt and they are covering it up . Gronk is hurt also . Both look like they are at 50% or so. 50% of Brady is better than 100% of Hoyer so Tom has to play.

    Can you imagine if we had a good backup still how much pressure there would be on Brady to sit his Bledsoe on the bench :D:D

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brick said:
    Pats have who is perceived by their fans to be the greatest QB since Graham yet their best chance to win is to hand the ball off to a mediocre running back? Something does not compute.

    It does not matter how good the quarterback is. When you throw too often, even in the current pass happy NFL, you are going to fail. The run game might seem dull, but without it, there is no way to keep the defense honest. Pass, rushing and play action are all required to mount a successful offense.

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  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Run them into the ground. Don't save them for next year. We need to be all in to win.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brick said:
    Pats have who is perceived by their fans to be the greatest QB since Graham yet their best chance to win is to hand the ball off to a mediocre running back? Something does not compute.

    Ralph, need I remind you he is 41 and outside of Edelman and a hurt Gronk he has no WR’s worth mentioning

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brick said:
    Pats have who is perceived by their fans to be the greatest QB since Graham yet their best chance to win is to hand the ball off to a mediocre running back? Something does not compute.

    1. Basically what Bronco just said. Speculation here in NE is Brady either sprained an MCL or had some type of knee issue weeks ago that had him on the weekly injury report awhile and could still be causing problems for him now.
    2. If you had any clue about the New England Patriots and how they scheme their offense on a given week depending on who their opponent is then you'd know that they might throw it 45 times one week and run it 45 times the next.
    3. Pats fans think he's the greatest because he's wins almost 80% of his games not because he throws for 400yds whenever he wants.
    4. Mediocre running backs my ass. Sony Michel averages more rushing yards per game than any other rookie RB not named Saquon Barkley and James White has more receptions than most team's #1 WR. When these two are the focal point on offense they've won almost every game.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pats fans think is the greatest because he wins 80% of his games

    And because he wins a high percentage of the big games.

    That’s what separates Brady from the Curt Cousins of the world. He’s been dependable for years. He has not won all of the big games, partly because he’s gotten the Pats into so many of them, but he’s won some very memorable games, like the first SB against St. Louis and the Atlanta SB comeback. That is what has made he greater than his stats which are impressive enough.

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  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BillJones- Erik said he wins ALMOST 80% of his games, you threw out the almost.

    He's won 206-266 regular season games, 77.4 %
    He's won 27-37 postseason games, 72.9%

    Total- 233-303 for 76.8%

    Close to 80% as erik said, but not 80% as you said.
    Who knows, if he was at 80% maybe he would have a couple more Super Bowl wins.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    BillJones- Erik said he wins ALMOST 80% of his games, you threw out the almost.

    He's won 206-266 regular season games, 77.4 %
    He's won 27-37 postseason games, 72.9%

    Total- 233-303 for 76.8%

    Close to 80% as erik said, but not 80% as you said.
    Who knows, if he was at 80% maybe he would have a couple more Super Bowl wins.

    He SHOULD have more Super Bowl wins 🤬

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @Darin said:
    BillJones- Erik said he wins ALMOST 80% of his games, you threw out the almost.

    He's won 206-266 regular season games, 77.4 %
    He's won 27-37 postseason games, 72.9%

    Total- 233-303 for 76.8%

    Close to 80% as erik said, but not 80% as you said.
    Who knows, if he was at 80% maybe he would have a couple more Super Bowl wins.

    He SHOULD have more Super Bowl wins 🤬

    He should have won last year for sure.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @perkdog said:

    @Darin said:
    BillJones- Erik said he wins ALMOST 80% of his games, you threw out the almost.

    He's won 206-266 regular season games, 77.4 %
    He's won 27-37 postseason games, 72.9%

    Total- 233-303 for 76.8%

    Close to 80% as erik said, but not 80% as you said.
    Who knows, if he was at 80% maybe he would have a couple more Super Bowl wins.

    He SHOULD have more Super Bowl wins 🤬

    He should have won last year for sure.

    Why is that? That loss was not on Brady’s shoulders. Belichick was out coached, especially with the “Philly Special” the end of the half.

    The only loss I bitterly regret was a SB loss to the stinkin’ Giants that cost the Pats a perfect season. I still say what the Pats did that year was more remarkable than what that Dolphins team did. The Pats a longer (14 vs. 16 games) and a much harder regular season schedule. The Dolphins were in a weak division and faced very few tough teams in the regular season.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @perkdog said:

    @Darin said:
    BillJones- Erik said he wins ALMOST 80% of his games, you threw out the almost.

    He's won 206-266 regular season games, 77.4 %
    He's won 27-37 postseason games, 72.9%

    Total- 233-303 for 76.8%

    Close to 80% as erik said, but not 80% as you said.
    Who knows, if he was at 80% maybe he would have a couple more Super Bowl wins.

    He SHOULD have more Super Bowl wins 🤬

    He should have won last year for sure.

    Why is that? That loss was not on Brady’s shoulders. Belichick was out coached, especially with the “Philly Special” the end of the half.

    The only loss I bitterly regret was a SB loss to the stinkin’ Giants that cost the Pats a perfect season. I still say what the Pats did that year was more remarkable than what that Dolphins team did. The Pats a longer (14 vs. 16 games) and a much harder regular season schedule. The Dolphins were in a weak division and faced very few tough teams in the regular season.

    Had Butler been in there the would have had a better chance. That’s on Belichek. Aside from that the ‘07 loss doesn’t bother me anymore, we made up for it with Atlanta and Seattle.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @perkdog said:

    @Darin said:
    BillJones- Erik said he wins ALMOST 80% of his games, you threw out the almost.

    He's won 206-266 regular season games, 77.4 %
    He's won 27-37 postseason games, 72.9%

    Total- 233-303 for 76.8%

    Close to 80% as erik said, but not 80% as you said.
    Who knows, if he was at 80% maybe he would have a couple more Super Bowl wins.

    He SHOULD have more Super Bowl wins 🤬

    He should have won last year for sure.

    Why is that? That loss was not on Brady’s shoulders. Belichick was out coached, especially with the “Philly Special” the end of the half.

    The only loss I bitterly regret was a SB loss to the stinkin’ Giants that cost the Pats a perfect season. I still say what the Pats did that year was more remarkable than what that Dolphins team did. The Pats a longer (14 vs. 16 games) and a much harder regular season schedule. The Dolphins were in a weak division and faced very few tough teams in the regular season.

    I wasn't blaming Brady......just saying that they should have won. And I totally agree with you on the Miami thing! Every year when someone goes deep into the season without a loss and the talking heads bring up Miami. Makes me PUKE! If I remember correctly there wasn't many teams with winning records on their schedule that year. What the Pat's did was way better. The Giants should not have even been there!!!

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Conflicting reports are circulating that Brady might have an MCL tear.

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It wouldn't surprise me. He has to have some physical reason to not be consistent in his throwing motion like this.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He has looked inconsistent but the one thing I’ve noticed more and more is he really is doing whatever he can to avoid contact, almost to the point where he dives to the ground before a sack happens.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    He has looked inconsistent but the one thing I’ve noticed more and more is he really is doing whatever he can to avoid contact, almost to the point where he dives to the ground before a sack happens.

    Agreed but that could just be a 41yr old not wanting to get hit in general not because of a knee issue.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @perkdog said:
    He has looked inconsistent but the one thing I’ve noticed more and more is he really is doing whatever he can to avoid contact, almost to the point where he dives to the ground before a sack happens.

    Agreed but that could just be a 41yr old not wanting to get hit in general not because of a knee issue.

    I definitely agree that that is more than likely it, I just don’t know what to believe regardless if Brady says he is good or not. Either way he is not “As good” as he has been, we can chalk it up to being 41 but then again if he looks like he is in pro bowl form and they miraculously make a strong playoff run it will be business as usual in Patriots Nation

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think he goes down when he feels a sack is inevitable.
    Recently, when questioned about if he is hurt, he said he would take being in this condition at this time of the season every year. But I interpret that as even if he is hurt at least he can play.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is why that 2 seed is so important for them. Having an extra week to rest is greatly needed just in the case of Brady,Gronk & Edelman dealing with different ailments.

  • The numbers don't lie. There is a 50/50 chance the Pats make the Superbowl this year.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @squadus said:
    The numbers don't lie. There is a 50/50 chance the Pats make the Superbowl this year.

    I think that you are a bit optimistic. I could see Pats beating Kansas City in Foxboro if they play them there, but I could see a new upstart team, like Baltimore, taking them out if they should meet. The Pats have not been good at solving good defenses this year.

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  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Travis Kelce and the 49'ers tight end both have a chance to surpass Gronk's record for
    receiving yards in a season. Kelce needs 54 yards and the other guy needs 100.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    Travis Kelce and the 49'ers tight end both have a chance to surpass Gronk's record for
    receiving yards in a season. Kelce needs 54 yards and the other guy needs 100.

    Kittle and Kelce are studs, Gronk when he is not hurt is better all around, the blocking and extra yards after contact getting tough yards counts even though it’s not flashy. If Gronk stayed healthy his stats would be even better. He will retire as the best Patriots TE ever and a HOF’er which is good enough

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    No doubt he will go down as the Patriots best tight end.
    I hope he retires this year while he is still able to walk.
    I remember meeting a Patriots fullback a few years after he finally called it quits and he was just a zombie of the man he once was ( think his name was Cunningham ( he finally passed away ) but that was 25 years ago and my memory is not that great anymore.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think if he doesn’t walk away after this season he will retire when Brady does although if the Pats move on from him he will surely retire.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Breaking Gronk's 17tds record would be more impressive than his receiving yards one but hats off to Kelce & Kittle who both will probably surpass the yards mark. If Garoppolo can stay on the field next season he may have his go-to guy at TE.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard to think Kittle won’t be a go to TE regardless who is QB. Too bad he wasn’t included in the Jimmy G trade

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2018 6:49AM

    We will beat the Jets today right? 😳

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    We will beat the Jets today right? 😳

    lol please do

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No Cordarelle Patterson or Adrian Clayborn for the Pats today.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    We will beat the Jets today right? 😳

    If we don’t, we don’t belong in the playoffs.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s the Jets but Brady looking good

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now if the Pats get a substantial lead and the game looks to be won I’d love to see Belichek get Brady and others out of there

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