DJ Moore being a turn over specialist making the JMU game look much closer than it should have is just funny.
Yes Miami A%M was a defensive battle both are know for the d lines. Reed and Beck are just average but so is Moore for Oregon.
Its time though for the G5 to have its own playoff. Im not against them being able to make it if they deserve it, but all three G5 teams that have played a playoff game havent been competitive in any of them and its a waste of time.
Texas Ole Miss or Oregon ND would be much more interesting
Ole Miss and Georgia have to play each other one of them literally has to lose. Just like someone had to lose in the Bama OU game.
This will be the second time Ole Miss and Georgia have played this season. The first one was a dog fight that Georgia won by 1 possession.
Theres two major things for that game. The first is its the first real game with out Kiffin. More importantly though is how healthy is Lacys shoulder going to be. Hes an absolute stud and would be a massive loss for Ole Miss.
@Maywood said:
We’re apparently entering the “talk” phase of the CFP playoffs. Miami and Ohio State fans and teams are starting to rehash the 2002-2003 Natty.
L@perkdog said: I cannot see how OSU doesn't dismantle Miami
31-17 OSU
I feel the same but I always approach these games with caution, I have seen far too many Ohio State teams lose to less talented teams. And it isn’t because of the players!! It’s as though it’s a long standing tradition for a Buckeye Head Coach to have at least 1-2 ridiculous games each season. This game will be a gut check because Ryan Day will be the one calling plays instead of Brian Hartline.
The Big 10 Championship Game was that type. The offensive play calling displayed a stubbornness, it wasn’t a good display of what the team is capable of, but I think it was almost intentional. I had the impression they didn’t want to show too much.
If Day plays like that against Miami he’ll lose the game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@coolstanley said: Last year, all 4 teams who had a 1st round bye lost and none of the games were close.
If you look back, those teams were Boise St., Arizona St., Oregon and Georgia. The top 4 this year are much, much better. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see all 4 byes win, but this the playoffs where anything can happen.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Some good BIG TEN bowl games this weekend. Today Northwestern and Minnesota play. And on Saturday looking forward to Penn State vs Clemson at Yankee Stadium in the pinstripe bowl.
Penn State vs. Clemson is an interesting match. Two teams whose fortunes really changed early in the past season, both were Top 5 and faded dramatically by the 5th-6th games. Penn State was probably the biggest surprise since they came close to playing for the Natty last January and also sacrificed a Head Coach.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Kyle Whittingham is the new Michigan coach, signs 5 year deal.
Leave it to Michigan to have a dumpster fire in their football program and come out of it with a better coach than they had before the nonsense. I've been a big fan of Whittingham for a long time. Won 11 of his first 12 bowl games with Utah (we won't discuss the last few, lol). If he can hang on to Underwood and maybe keeps the DC, you'll see a different Michigan team next year.
I don’t think the football program per se is the problem anymore than a new Head Coach is the solution. I think that the time spent there by Harbaugh did damage to the Michigan athletic department.
They’ll need a clean out and rebuild, top to bottom, to fix Michigan.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
A name other than Fisch. I’m sooooo surprised. I’m glad he’s staying in Washington. He’s got a good shot to make that program competitive and he’s going to have the money to do it.
Since nobody else has seen fit to keep track of this seasons Conference Bowl records I will make a start of it. If nothing else, it is an indicator of relative strength among the conferences because this is about the only time we get to see them play each other. Results below are prior to Saturday's games, Tues/Wed/Thurs games will give a good indication. I will add that the best games will be head-to-head play between the SEC and Big 10, perhaps 5-10 games total. I expect some myths to be shattered followed by the disinformation denial campaign.
AMERICAN 1-3
ACC 3-3
BIG 12
BIG TEN 5-0
CONFERENCE USA 3-3
INDEPENDENTS
MAC 2-2
MOUNTAIN WEST 1-4
PAC-12 1-0
SEC 2-2
SUN BELT 2-4
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@galaxy27, I’d say that outlook is quite optimistic and highly unlikely. Michigan was already on a downward spiral post-Harbaugh and this has probably set back the program at least three years. I can’t see all the 4-5 star recruits lining up to be a Wolverine.
Michigan football is in trouble. They have already been eclipsed by Indiana and I expect Penn State will rebound faster than Michigan. That puts them at 4th in the Bog 10 pecking order.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
That game was unwatchable with the 30 opt outs including basically Clemsons entire defense. I also dislike these games on baseball fields especially when its a bunch of backups in a meaningless game. Fenway might be my least favorite stadium for one of these games.
Missouri has basically no WRs with opt outs and is starting a QB for the first time with their QB opting out. LSU half their defense opted out including their best players.
@Basebal21 said:
That game was unwatchable with the 30 opt outs including basically Clemsons entire defense.
You forget to mention, Penn State was playing without their head coach, and 1st string QB. The southern teams dont like playing in cold weather. That's one reason the BIG TEN team always wins this bowl game because its played up north in the cold.
Virginia finishes with 11 wins with 13-7 win over Missouri.
@Basebal21 said:
That game was unwatchable with the 30 opt outs including basically Clemsons entire defense.
You forget to mention, Penn State was playing without their head coach, and 1st string QB. The southern teams dont like playing in cold weather. That's one reason the BIG TEN team always wins this bowl game because its played up north in the cold.
Virginia finishes with 11 wins with 13-7 win over Missouri.
PSU hasnt had Allar for months. So it matters there but not that Mizzou had their QB and the majority of their QBs opt out which left them with no offense?
@Basebal21 said:
That game was unwatchable with the 30 opt outs including basically Clemsons entire defense.
You forget to mention, Penn State was playing without their head coach, and 1st string QB. The southern teams dont like playing in cold weather. That's one reason the BIG TEN team always wins this bowl game because its played up north in the cold.
Virginia finishes with 11 wins with 13-7 win over Missouri.
PSU hasnt had Allar for months. So it matters there but not that Mizzou had their QB and the majority of their QBs opt out which left them with no offense?
Clemsons d line opted out of the game
Both teams had a ton of opt outs. Penn State had a ton of injured players who didnt play. At least Clemson had their stud QB and head coach....And they still got spanked
@Basebal21 said:
That game was unwatchable with the 30 opt outs including basically Clemsons entire defense.
You forget to mention, Penn State was playing without their head coach, and 1st string QB. The southern teams dont like playing in cold weather. That's one reason the BIG TEN team always wins this bowl game because its played up north in the cold.
Virginia finishes with 11 wins with 13-7 win over Missouri.
PSU hasnt had Allar for months. So it matters there but not that Mizzou had their QB and the majority of their QBs opt out which left them with no offense?
Clemsons d line opted out of the game
Both teams had a ton of opt outs. Penn State had a ton of injured players who didnt play. At least Clemson had their stud QB and head coach....And they still got spanked
You might be the only one who thinks Clemson has a stud QB and HC. Dabos refusal to use the portal has been an issue for years now and its not all Klubniks fault but hes far from a stud and they had 29 players opt out including 11 starters. Just like LSU had most of their defense opt out and Missouri had a ton of offensive opt outs.
Most of these bowl games are just who can keep the most players from opting out
We can argue opt outs as an excuse for poor performance and a loss but in the end things affect both teams. A big part of NCAA football is about team depth on a squad of 100 players. I don’t think it’s logical to argue that a conference is more talented, places more players in the NFL, etc. and then use the “opt out excuse” as a reason for a loss.
No reasonable sports fan would argue that in the past 20 years the SEC tended to be the dominant NCAA football conference. It’s time for those same fans to admit that things have changed during the past five years. Strength of Record, things like Bowl wins and Natty’s, are the final arbiter.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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DJ Moore being a turn over specialist making the JMU game look much closer than it should have is just funny.
Yes Miami A%M was a defensive battle both are know for the d lines. Reed and Beck are just average but so is Moore for Oregon.
Its time though for the G5 to have its own playoff. Im not against them being able to make it if they deserve it, but all three G5 teams that have played a playoff game havent been competitive in any of them and its a waste of time.
Texas Ole Miss or Oregon ND would be much more interesting
Fire AJ Preller
Alabama is throwing over the middle more this year. Williams got blown up early in the year and has developed alligator arms every since.
@Steven59 said: Would not surprise me if Alabama puts a whooping on Indiana.
I would be in shock if that happens. I see the winners as Oregon, Indiana, Ole Miss and Ohio State.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Indiana is favored by 6.5 over Bama
Some early bowl season conference standings.
ACC - 2-0
BIG TEN - 2-0
SEC - 2-2
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Indiana is going to throttle Alabama in my opinion
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
OUCH
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
The “experts” have all been raving about how good Miami and Ole Miss and Georgia are. I guess we’ll see on the New Years Holiday.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
There exist zero experts on the future. Prove me wrong.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Ole Miss and Georgia have to play each other one of them literally has to lose. Just like someone had to lose in the Bama OU game.
This will be the second time Ole Miss and Georgia have played this season. The first one was a dog fight that Georgia won by 1 possession.
Theres two major things for that game. The first is its the first real game with out Kiffin. More importantly though is how healthy is Lacys shoulder going to be. Hes an absolute stud and would be a massive loss for Ole Miss.
Fire AJ Preller
Buckeyes are a 9.5 favorite over Miami
Georgia 6.5 favorite over Ole Miss
Indiana 6.5 favorite over Alabama
Oregon 1.5 favorite over Texas Tech
Those are 4 great quarterfinal playoff matchups.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
OSU, Georgia and Indiana are my "Locks"
I don't know about O vs TT
I like Ole Miss chances against Georgia. Hard to beat a team twice in the same year as Oklahoma found out.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
I really like Ole Miss QB but overall I just don't think they can get it done
We shall see!
That would infer life is the most certain possibility.
That would infer life is the most certain possibility.
Just a minor detail, but the statement might suggest death is a certainty, someone who reads it does the inferring.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I still dont get why Lacy was put back in the game after the injury when they didnt need him to beat Tulane.
Rumors are all over the place with how bad it actually is
Fire AJ Preller
We’re apparently entering the “talk” phase of the CFP playoffs. Miami and Ohio State fans and teams are starting to rehash the 2002-2003 Natty.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I cannot see how OSU doesn't dismantle Miami
31-17 OSU
L@perkdog said: I cannot see how OSU doesn't dismantle Miami
31-17 OSU
I feel the same but I always approach these games with caution, I have seen far too many Ohio State teams lose to less talented teams. And it isn’t because of the players!! It’s as though it’s a long standing tradition for a Buckeye Head Coach to have at least 1-2 ridiculous games each season. This game will be a gut check because Ryan Day will be the one calling plays instead of Brian Hartline.
The Big 10 Championship Game was that type. The offensive play calling displayed a stubbornness, it wasn’t a good display of what the team is capable of, but I think it was almost intentional. I had the impression they didn’t want to show too much.
If Day plays like that against Miami he’ll lose the game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Last year, all 4 teams who had a 1st round bye lost and none of the games were close.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
Hawaii bowl going on right now on ESPN. The sunny weather looks nice.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
@coolstanley said: Last year, all 4 teams who had a 1st round bye lost and none of the games were close.
If you look back, those teams were Boise St., Arizona St., Oregon and Georgia. The top 4 this year are much, much better. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see all 4 byes win, but this the playoffs where anything can happen.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
A fight broke out after the Cal/Hawaii game. Hawaii down 21-0 comes back and wins the game on a last second TD.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
Some good BIG TEN bowl games this weekend. Today Northwestern and Minnesota play. And on Saturday looking forward to Penn State vs Clemson at Yankee Stadium in the pinstripe bowl.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
Penn State vs. Clemson is an interesting match. Two teams whose fortunes really changed early in the past season, both were Top 5 and faded dramatically by the 5th-6th games. Penn State was probably the biggest surprise since they came close to playing for the Natty last January and also sacrificed a Head Coach.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Northwestern and Minnesota get bowl wins today. Minnesota wins in OT as PJ Fleck goes 7-0 in bowl games at Minnesota.
Kyle Whittingham is the new Michigan coach, signs 5 year deal.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
FIU with a 97 yard punt return for a TD, scintillating!!
@coolstanley, the Big 10 is undefeated so far in Bowl Games at 4-0.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Leave it to Michigan to have a dumpster fire in their football program and come out of it with a better coach than they had before the nonsense. I've been a big fan of Whittingham for a long time. Won 11 of his first 12 bowl games with Utah (we won't discuss the last few, lol). If he can hang on to Underwood and maybe keeps the DC, you'll see a different Michigan team next year.
I don’t think the football program per se is the problem anymore than a new Head Coach is the solution. I think that the time spent there by Harbaugh did damage to the Michigan athletic department.
They’ll need a clean out and rebuild, top to bottom, to fix Michigan.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
A name other than Fisch. I’m sooooo surprised. I’m glad he’s staying in Washington. He’s got a good shot to make that program competitive and he’s going to have the money to do it.
Since nobody else has seen fit to keep track of this seasons Conference Bowl records I will make a start of it. If nothing else, it is an indicator of relative strength among the conferences because this is about the only time we get to see them play each other. Results below are prior to Saturday's games, Tues/Wed/Thurs games will give a good indication. I will add that the best games will be head-to-head play between the SEC and Big 10, perhaps 5-10 games total. I expect some myths to be shattered followed by the disinformation denial campaign.
AMERICAN 1-3
ACC 3-3
BIG 12
BIG TEN 5-0
CONFERENCE USA 3-3
INDEPENDENTS
MAC 2-2
MOUNTAIN WEST 1-4
PAC-12 1-0
SEC 2-2
SUN BELT 2-4
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Good ACC vs SEC matchup tonight....#19 Virginia vs Missouri.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
Also, LSU vs. Houston.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
i wonder if Tabe would take this
@galaxy27, I’d say that outlook is quite optimistic and highly unlikely. Michigan was already on a downward spiral post-Harbaugh and this has probably set back the program at least three years. I can’t see all the 4-5 star recruits lining up to be a Wolverine.
Michigan football is in trouble. They have already been eclipsed by Indiana and I expect Penn State will rebound faster than Michigan. That puts them at 4th in the Bog 10 pecking order.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Penn State wins the Pinstripe bowl over Clemson 22-10.
The BIG TEN team wins that bowl game every year lol.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
That game was unwatchable with the 30 opt outs including basically Clemsons entire defense. I also dislike these games on baseball fields especially when its a bunch of backups in a meaningless game. Fenway might be my least favorite stadium for one of these games.
Missouri has basically no WRs with opt outs and is starting a QB for the first time with their QB opting out. LSU half their defense opted out including their best players.
Fire AJ Preller
Brutal drop in the endzone by GT to lose
Fire AJ Preller
You forget to mention, Penn State was playing without their head coach, and 1st string QB. The southern teams dont like playing in cold weather. That's one reason the BIG TEN team always wins this bowl game because its played up north in the cold.
Virginia finishes with 11 wins with 13-7 win over Missouri.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
PSU hasnt had Allar for months. So it matters there but not that Mizzou had their QB and the majority of their QBs opt out which left them with no offense?
Clemsons d line opted out of the game
Fire AJ Preller
Both teams had a ton of opt outs. Penn State had a ton of injured players who didnt play. At least Clemson had their stud QB and head coach....And they still got spanked
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
You might be the only one who thinks Clemson has a stud QB and HC. Dabos refusal to use the portal has been an issue for years now and its not all Klubniks fault but hes far from a stud and they had 29 players opt out including 11 starters. Just like LSU had most of their defense opt out and Missouri had a ton of offensive opt outs.
Most of these bowl games are just who can keep the most players from opting out
Fire AJ Preller
Penn State had 34 opt outs, including 10 starters. Plus no head coach.
Houston beats LSU 38-35
Not a good day for the SEC.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
PSU fired their coach months ago.
I expected LSU and Missouri to lose from the opt outs I posted before the games.
LSU didnt have their head coach either
Fire AJ Preller
Yeah, I'd take that.
We can argue opt outs as an excuse for poor performance and a loss but in the end things affect both teams. A big part of NCAA football is about team depth on a squad of 100 players. I don’t think it’s logical to argue that a conference is more talented, places more players in the NFL, etc. and then use the “opt out excuse” as a reason for a loss.
No reasonable sports fan would argue that in the past 20 years the SEC tended to be the dominant NCAA football conference. It’s time for those same fans to admit that things have changed during the past five years. Strength of Record, things like Bowl wins and Natty’s, are the final arbiter.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin