@MsMorrisine said:
would the 70's below 10,000 be a bargain? why or why not?
Because, based on current market prices for similar items (V75 AGEs, FH silver medal privys, with and without signed numbered COAs, FH High Relief Gold with no privy, etc.), they could be immediately flipped for a substantial profit at that level. That's why.
Anyone talking them down the past few weeks was just engaging in wishful thinking while hoping they might be able to get some on the cheap.
@NJCoin said:
Less than one day to go, and already VERY few remaining bids below $10K. Where's my fan club now?
@coiner? Anything to say? Still $7-9K, tops, for generic 69s? There are still going to be 230 lots going in one fell swoop. Where do you think all this money is coming from? 🤣
No one seems to have a problem posting to let me know when I am wrong. 😀
Just for everyone bidding - take the time to look at the coins in each lot in the respective grade you could be bidding on......
All 70's arent created equal......I've seen a fair amount of lower reverse rim issues (crewed up on edge) and also other ticks on the fields. I went thru probably 40 70's in all different groups and found 5-7 SOLID coins that were no mistake 70's. Others had some issue or another. Maybe it was dust on the holder, maybe a true tick in the fields or flaking.
@coiner said:
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
@coiner said:
Unlike NJCoin - I will be bidding if the price is right. But I wont get buuried in these either.
I doubt it. The bids will exceed your numbers before you have a chance to get your electronic paddle out, if you're still looking at $8-9K for 69s, and <$12.5K for 70s. If you already placed bids at those levels, you just wasted your time, as you will see once the live action begins.
@hiijacker said:
Question, unrelated to tomorrow's auction. I was lucky to be able to receive one of the standard coins from the Mint.
It is beautiful in hand, nothing like any other gold i have ordered from the mint before.
My question is if I should bother to send in to PCGS to get graded now within the First Strike 30 day window?
go for it if the price of a 69 vs 70 can more than makeup for the risk and cost of grading
now that there are advance release and fdoi labels, first strike is definitely 3rd tier
I did. From a collectors standpoint, I want a 70. From it might be sold someday, a First Strike should help to hold value. I also want that gold label. Will know the grade soon enough.
@coiner said:
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
@hiijacker said:
Question, unrelated to tomorrow's auction. I was lucky to be able to receive one of the standard coins from the Mint.
It is beautiful in hand, nothing like any other gold i have ordered from the mint before.
My question is if I should bother to send in to PCGS to get graded now within the First Strike 30 day window?
go for it if the price of a 69 vs 70 can more than makeup for the risk and cost of grading
now that there are advance release and fdoi labels, first strike is definitely 3rd tier
I did. From a collectors standpoint, I want a 70. From it might be sold someday, a First Strike should help to hold value. I also want that gold label. Will know the grade soon enough.
First Strike rarely has a significant premium down the line since they are almost all 1st Strike.
@coiner said:
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
@hiijacker said:
Question, unrelated to tomorrow's auction. I was lucky to be able to receive one of the standard coins from the Mint.
It is beautiful in hand, nothing like any other gold i have ordered from the mint before.
My question is if I should bother to send in to PCGS to get graded now within the First Strike 30 day window?
go for it if the price of a 69 vs 70 can more than makeup for the risk and cost of grading
now that there are advance release and fdoi labels, first strike is definitely 3rd tier
I did. From a collectors standpoint, I want a 70. From it might be sold someday, a First Strike should help to hold value. I also want that gold label. Will know the grade soon enough.
First Strike rarely has a significant premium down the line since they are almost all 1st Strike.
No it doesn’t. How many will The host actually grade, 2-3000? Pure guess. How many will meet the definition of First Strike? I don’t GAF, but someone else might when looking to buy one.
There are 185 70's and 45 69's...so far it doesn't look like bidding reflects the grade. It does look like the first and the last minted are in highest demand.
@Onastone said:
There are 185 70's and 45 69's...so far it doesn't look like bidding reflects the grade. It does look like the first and the last minted are in highest demand.
Honestly, I'm not sure i would expect the 69/70 spread to be that large. It's about wanting one and the supply being limited.
@coiner said:
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
"Several" seems an understatement.
Now I have that video stuck in my head. Waiting for the walk of shame. LOL
@coiner said:
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
And some will. By a lot. Others by less.
I STILL believe no 70s will sell for less than $20K. If you are going to want to poke holes, and quibble about what "far exceed" means, have at it. $20K establishing the bottom of a range certainly does not imply that all coins will "far exceed" it. Otherwise, that number would have just been set "far" higher.
I gave a range. I'm sticking to it. $20-50K. I said #1 would "far exceed" $100K. I haven't received any pats on the back over that one yet, and it's the only one where anyone has been proven right or wrong to date.
That is pure insanity in my mind, but I guess some folks have a LOT of disposable income to play with. A beautiful coin to be sure! If I were a multimillionaire I would probably bid on one of them as well.
Best regards, Dwayne F. Sessom Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
@dsessom said:
That is pure insanity in my mind, but I guess some folks have a LOT of disposable income to play with. A beautiful coin to be sure! If I were a multimillionaire I would probably bid on one of them as well.
Like I've been saying all along. Only 230 for worldwide distribution.
Expert marketing and hyping. People here expecting anything less were dreaming.
And projecting what they wanted to happen, because they wanted them, either to own or to flip, but only at prices they consider "reasonable." And, it really has not yet even begun.
But you just said you didn’t say it. When in fact you did. That’s the problem. You are so inconsistent that of course some of your predictions will be right.
@coiner said:
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
And some will. By a lot. Others by less.
I STILL believe no 70s will sell for less than $20K. If you are going to want to poke holes, and quibble about what "far exceed" means, have at it. $20K establishing the bottom of a range certainly does not imply that all coins will "far exceed" it. Otherwise, that number would have just been set "far" higher.
I gave a range. I'm sticking to it. $20-50K. I said #1 would "far exceed" $100K. I haven't received any pats on the back over that one yet, and it's the only one where anyone has been proven right or wrong to date.
@Optex said:
Now it looks like the auction is starting 15 minutes later.
Due to the extremely heavy call volume in the last hour, we have delayed the start of the auction by 15 minutes. The sale will begin promptly at 9:15AM/ 12:15PST.
That is pure insanity in my mind, but I guess some folks have a LOT of disposable income to play with. A beautiful coin to be sure! If I were a multimillionaire I would probably bid on one of them as well.
Aren't there a couple million of these? Hopefully they aren't all chasing lot 4, lol...
@jwitten said:
But you just said you didn’t say it. When in fact you did. That’s the problem. You are so inconsistent that of course some of your predictions will be right.
@coiner said:
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
And some will. By a lot. Others by less.
I STILL believe no 70s will sell for less than $20K. If you are going to want to poke holes, and quibble about what "far exceed" means, have at it. $20K establishing the bottom of a range certainly does not imply that all coins will "far exceed" it. Otherwise, that number would have just been set "far" higher.
I gave a range. I'm sticking to it. $20-50K. I said #1 would "far exceed" $100K. I haven't received any pats on the back over that one yet, and it's the only one where anyone has been proven right or wrong to date.
Please stop twisting. I predicted a range - $20-50K for 70s. Maybe a little less for 69s, but far more than the $6-8K, later revised to $7-9K, called for by others. "Far exceed" is subjective. Some will, others won't.
A few days ago I also predicted some like you would just say I'm a broken clock who happened to be right this time, and that's fine. I called for these to go for far more than most here believed.
It is turning out that I was correct. I don't need you to acknowledge it, because I know it, you know it, and plenty of people following along at home, but not posting, know it. It's all good.
No 70 is going to close below $20K. Some will "far exceed" that level. Others will exceed it by less. 69s will "far exceed" $7-9K. They already have. Maybe they get to $20K, maybe not. I don't think I ever predicted, or guaranteed, that they would.
@coiner said 70s would never hit $20K, because these are not part of a series like the V75 AGEs are. I was right. He was wrong. Right now, it looks like even the least expensive 69 might hit $20K, which, if it happens, will turn out to be even more than I thought.
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Because, based on current market prices for similar items (V75 AGEs, FH silver medal privys, with and without signed numbered COAs, FH High Relief Gold with no privy, etc.), they could be immediately flipped for a substantial profit at that level. That's why.
Anyone talking them down the past few weeks was just engaging in wishful thinking while hoping they might be able to get some on the cheap.
I would say yes. For the reason that the gold horse high reliefs are going for over 8,000 and there are way more than 230 of them.
You're about to get 10,000 repetitive words.
Here's an inside look at the Stacks Bowers auction set before the big day. Hey, isn't that @NJCoin participating in the mock auction?
Nah. Way above my pay grade, I'm afraid. ☹️
I stand by my predictions.
A big majority of 70's will be in the Greysheet range. Even if they are at the top 12,500 thats where I think they will land.
vast majority of 69's will not break 10k - I suspect 8-9k.
Remember @njcoin - you had MOON money on the 70's ----far exceeding 20k per coin for everything.
So, if we play this like the Price is Right - lets see who is closer without going over
Just for everyone bidding - take the time to look at the coins in each lot in the respective grade you could be bidding on......
All 70's arent created equal......I've seen a fair amount of lower reverse rim issues (crewed up on edge) and also other ticks on the fields. I went thru probably 40 70's in all different groups and found 5-7 SOLID coins that were no mistake 70's. Others had some issue or another. Maybe it was dust on the holder, maybe a true tick in the fields or flaking.
Unlike NJCoin - I will be bidding if the price is right. But I wont get buuried in these either.
Brilliant. And insightful. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us. 😀
Question, unrelated to tomorrow's auction. I was lucky to be able to receive one of the standard coins from the Mint.
It is beautiful in hand, nothing like any other gold i have ordered from the mint before.
My question is if I should bother to send in to PCGS to get graded now within the First Strike 30 day window?
Cashback from Mr. Rebates
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Never said "far exceeding" $20K per coin for everything.
I said $20-50K, and I'm sticking with that. Even if some 69s don't quite get to $20K, and that's an open question.
Doesn't matter if they break $15K, given that you are still, stubbornly below $10K, even after seeing the bids right now. No way you are going to see 70s below $20K. I can't believe you don't see that now, but you will in around 13 hours, so it's all good.
For the record, moon money IS $20-50K, given they are modern issues with around $2700 worth of gold in them. Especially when you were predicting $7-9K for all of them, including 70s (other than the "special numbers"), not just the lowest of the 69s, when I was at $20-50K.
Even now you're drawing false confidence from the fictional Greysheet numbers, thinking generic 70s will top out at $12.5K. You are going to be off by A LOT. Especially as compared to me, even if every 69 doesn't make it all the way to $20K, and you try to make a big deal out of that, because "Price is Right" rules.
I doubt it. The bids will exceed your numbers before you have a chance to get your electronic paddle out, if you're still looking at $8-9K for 69s, and <$12.5K for 70s. If you already placed bids at those levels, you just wasted your time, as you will see once the live action begins.
go for it if the price of a 69 vs 70 can more than makeup for the risk and cost of grading
now that there are advance release and fdoi labels, first strike is definitely 3rd tier
I did. From a collectors standpoint, I want a 70. From it might be sold someday, a First Strike should help to hold value. I also want that gold label. Will know the grade soon enough.
hold value - definitely not necessarily
that gold label is ugly in person and hard to read
You did in fact say 70s would far exceed $20k. Several times.
That bad, huh? Anybody else had the opportunity to see it in hand?
First Strike rarely has a significant premium down the line since they are almost all 1st Strike.
"Several" seems an understatement.
No it doesn’t. How many will The host actually grade, 2-3000? Pure guess. How many will meet the definition of First Strike? I don’t GAF, but someone else might when looking to buy one.
There are 185 70's and 45 69's...so far it doesn't look like bidding reflects the grade. It does look like the first and the last minted are in highest demand.
Honestly, I'm not sure i would expect the 69/70 spread to be that large. It's about wanting one and the supply being limited.
And so it begins Lot #1....up $20k
Now I have that video stuck in my head. Waiting for the walk of shame. LOL
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Just checked the SB auction, there are only 5 bids out of 230 under $10k.
That will be changing very quickly. A 69 might be had for under $15k but even that's iffy.
All 230 current bids are $10k and over.
First 30 bids............
10:30EST.......
And some will. By a lot. Others by less.
I STILL believe no 70s will sell for less than $20K. If you are going to want to poke holes, and quibble about what "far exceed" means, have at it. $20K establishing the bottom of a range certainly does not imply that all coins will "far exceed" it. Otherwise, that number would have just been set "far" higher.
I gave a range. I'm sticking to it. $20-50K. I said #1 would "far exceed" $100K. I haven't received any pats on the back over that one yet, and it's the only one where anyone has been proven right or wrong to date.
Bring it!
say goodbye $10K, $10.5k, $11k now low bid on 69s
That is pure insanity in my mind, but I guess some folks have a LOT of disposable income to play with. A beautiful coin to be sure! If I were a multimillionaire I would probably bid on one of them as well.
Dwayne F. Sessom
Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
Wonder what makes coin #4 so desired...guess it is the lowest numbered 70 grade next to #1.
I'm glad my Flowing Hair Au coin doesn't have the dumb privy mark.
Anyone else with me?
Why? You don't like money?
Like I've been saying all along. Only 230 for worldwide distribution.
Expert marketing and hyping. People here expecting anything less were dreaming.
And projecting what they wanted to happen, because they wanted them, either to own or to flip, but only at prices they consider "reasonable." And, it really has not yet even begun.
Now it looks like the auction is starting 15 minutes later.
Remember there's NO buyer's premium. The hammer is the final price.
But you just said you didn’t say it. When in fact you did. That’s the problem. You are so inconsistent that of course some of your predictions will be right.
Due to the extremely heavy call volume in the last hour, we have delayed the start of the auction by 15 minutes. The sale will begin promptly at 9:15AM/ 12:15PST.
Last minute bid limit approvals?
Aren't there a couple million of these? Hopefully they aren't all chasing lot 4, lol...
Delayed 15 minutes due to high volume of fresh bids.
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/live-auction/3-1EVV9W
Please stop twisting. I predicted a range - $20-50K for 70s. Maybe a little less for 69s, but far more than the $6-8K, later revised to $7-9K, called for by others. "Far exceed" is subjective. Some will, others won't.
A few days ago I also predicted some like you would just say I'm a broken clock who happened to be right this time, and that's fine. I called for these to go for far more than most here believed.
It is turning out that I was correct. I don't need you to acknowledge it, because I know it, you know it, and plenty of people following along at home, but not posting, know it. It's all good.
No 70 is going to close below $20K. Some will "far exceed" that level. Others will exceed it by less. 69s will "far exceed" $7-9K. They already have. Maybe they get to $20K, maybe not. I don't think I ever predicted, or guaranteed, that they would.
@coiner said 70s would never hit $20K, because these are not part of a series like the V75 AGEs are. I was right. He was wrong. Right now, it looks like even the least expensive 69 might hit $20K, which, if it happens, will turn out to be even more than I thought.
Bids are strong.