I dont think they (USM) will be inundated with returns on this one. Pretty wide distribution in terms of qty; secondary market is higher even for opened coins; sealed are going for much higher than issue; no more available from the USM (except for early day sales in any
Indeed very nice and better then the Morgans the Mint is producing. Can the mailed box be opened & resealed without detection. I know a few years ago I received the Proof ASE and I could open and reseal and you wouldn't know the difference.
Indeed very nice and better then the Morgans the Mint is producing. Can the mailed box be opened & resealed without detection. I know a few years ago I received the Proof ASE and I could open and reseal and you wouldn't know the difference.
Mine came in a poly bubble mailer bag. No outer box for OGP.
Indeed very nice and better then the Morgans the Mint is producing. Can the mailed box be opened & resealed without detection. I know a few years ago I received the Proof ASE and I could open and reseal and you wouldn't know the difference.
Mine came in a poly bubble mailer bag. No outer box for OGP.
That's how my proof Morgan and Peace dollars came.
They better not do that to the gold Flowing Hair.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
@coiner said:
I dont think they (USM) will be inundated with returns on this one. Pretty wide distribution in terms of qty; secondary market is higher even for opened coins; sealed are going for much higher than issue; no more available from the USM (except for early day sales in any
Agreed...too bad one poster here posted several dozen times about how this would flop and so many returns...kept me from ordering the added coins on day 2.
@coiner said:
Too early for returns. I would say a week to a week and a half beyond initial recipt would be a good guideline.
Example: if received today - repack and resend to USM (figure 3 to 5 days mail time) and the 3rd pty action to unpack and record and put it back inline for sale has to be about 3 to 5 days as well.
"Too early for returns," assuming medals purchased this morning are shipped this afternoon. That's a big assumption. By next week, some returns will certainly be in house and ready to be turned around.
In fact, just like we didn't know that 7500 had already been sent out weeks ago, graded, and received back by the submitters and offered for sale on eBay, until we actually saw the listings on eBay, we actually have no idea where the medals being offered for sale by Mint after 12:02 p.m. on Wednesday actually came from. We are just making assumptions based on past releases, and yet, there has never been a release like this one.
And it honestly doesn't matter, because the odds of receiving a privy are tiny regardless, and no one is going to get hurt unless the bottom suddenly falls out of the market. Which is very likely to happen, once the initial excitement dies down and everyone realizes there is no longer any chance of scoring a privy from the Mint.
But, it might not, if people actually do get past the fact that these are medals, not coins, and learn to love 75K ounces of silver at a premium to $104 each. Unfortunately, people sitting on their hands waiting to see what happens are going to find their return window closed. Stay tuned.
Firstly, just want to thank you all for this very interesting thread, which I found and started reading after placing my order shortly after noon on the 15th. This was the first product I've ever bought directly from the mint, and it was only because I read a few YouTube comments about the medal under my favorite coin geek's videos that I even contemplated purchasing one. I'm a birder and also do raptor banding, so I like all the various U.S. coins with eagles on them and specifically decided to get this medal because of how goofy the eagle on the reverse looks lol. The lotto-aspect didn't really entice me, though of course I'd be very pleased to get a privy + hand-signed COA. Just checked tracking on my order and the package arrived at local distribution center today, so I should have it tomorrow. I'll definitely break the seal, especially having seen the photos just recently posted upthread.
@joepabike said:
Firstly, just want to thank you all for this very interesting thread, which I found and started reading after placing my order shortly after noon on the 16th. This was the first product I've ever bought directly from the mint, and it was only because I read a few YouTube comments about the medal under my favorite coin geek's videos that I even contemplated purchasing one. I'm a birder and also do raptor banding, so I like all the various U.S. coins with eagles on them and specifically decided to get this medal because of how goofy the eagle on the reverse looks lol. The lotto-aspect didn't really entice me, though of course I'd be very pleased to get a privy + hand-signed COA. Just checked tracking on my order and the package arrived at local distribution center today, so I should have it tomorrow. I'll definitely break the seal, especially having seen the photos just recently posted upthread.
Alright, cheers!
Welcome aboard. You sound like you will add a lot to the conversations here.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
@Dirt94 said:
FWIW my medals ordered this morning were indeed shipped this afternoon. I don think returns would be repackaged and reshipped that fast.
No. And if you want a pre-paid return shipping label it takes the mint 1 or 2 days to send that to you. It'll be a week before they have any returns ready to ship back out at the earliest.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. Ordered early on the first day and received both Mint emails including the order confirmation email. 2 days later (10/17) he got the dreaded cancellation order from the Mint. It doesn't make any sense.
@Dirt94 said:
FWIW my medals ordered this morning were indeed shipped this afternoon. I don think returns would be repackaged and reshipped that fast.
No. And if you want a pre-paid return shipping label it takes the mint 1 or 2 days to send that to you. It'll be a week before they have any returns ready to ship back out at the earliest.
so the plot is to return a medal because it doesn't have a privy then make the mint pay for it?
@coiner said:
I dont think they (USM) will be inundated with returns on this one. Pretty wide distribution in terms of qty; secondary market is higher even for opened coins; sealed are going for much higher than issue; no more available from the USM (except for early day sales in any
Agreed...too bad one poster here posted several dozen times about how this would flop and so many returns...kept me from ordering the added coins on day 2.
@joepabike said:
Firstly, just want to thank you all for this very interesting thread, which I found and started reading after placing my order shortly after noon on the 15th. This was the first product I've ever bought directly from the mint, and it was only because I read a few YouTube comments about the medal under my favorite coin geek's videos that I even contemplated purchasing one. I'm a birder and also do raptor banding, so I like all the various U.S. coins with eagles on them and specifically decided to get this medal because of how goofy the eagle on the reverse looks lol. The lotto-aspect didn't really entice me, though of course I'd be very pleased to get a privy + hand-signed COA. Just checked tracking on my order and the package arrived at local distribution center today, so I should have it tomorrow. I'll definitely break the seal, especially having seen the photos just recently posted upthread.
@Dirt94 said:
FWIW my medals ordered this morning were indeed shipped this afternoon. I don think returns would be repackaged and reshipped that fast.
No. And if you want a pre-paid return shipping label it takes the mint 1 or 2 days to send that to you. It'll be a week before they have any returns ready to ship back out at the earliest.
so the plot is to return a medal because it doesn't have a privy then make the mint pay for it?
I realize it's a long thread and you might not have read it all, but that's the genesis of most of the discussion here, particularly in the beginning. There's heavy speculation that most people will simply do that. Now that there does appear to be a market for non-privy medals it's probably not an issue although I'm sure that will still happen. I'll still return any that are not damage free and 70-eligible.
@coiner said:
I dont think they (USM) will be inundated with returns on this one. Pretty wide distribution in terms of qty; secondary market is higher even for opened coins; sealed are going for much higher than issue; no more available from the USM (except for early day sales in any
Agreed...too bad one poster here posted several dozen times about how this would flop and so many returns...kept me from ordering the added coins on day 2.
Lesson learned....trust your own opinion. 😉
This ^^^. Definitely this ^^^. But the game is not over quite yet. People are still fishing for privys.
Wait and see what happens once people have them in hand, and they don't have privys. If there is organic demand for 75K at whatever price dealers try to get, then I was wrong, and there won't be a ton of returns. But it's too soon to tell, since most have still not been received.
It's also possible that there won't be returns because the secondary market doesn't crash until after the return window closes. Then people who didn't chase medals they apparently didn't really want won't be so sorry after all.
Finally, yeah, if you can't form your own opinion, there is no reason to complain when you listen to someone else with conviction and they turn out to be wrong.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
The mint takes more orders than they have in inventory because some orders get denied due to credit card. It used used to be up to 10%. I had orders cancelled in the past. The only returns the mint could have now would be from dealers, and I doubt they are doing any.
@HalfDime said:
The mint takes more orders than they have in inventory because some orders get denied due to credit card. It used used to be up to 10%. I had orders cancelled in the past. The only returns the mint could have now would be from dealers, and I doubt they are doing any.
No. Those bad credit card orders are the items that pop up at 7:30 a.m. each morning. They don't over sell, like an airline, and then just cancel orders that there was nothing wrong with while simultaneously making items that were "denied due to credit card" available to the public each morning.
And, if they did over sell, which they absolutely do not, certainly not intentionally, those orders would be filled with suddenly available inventory in the next few days, rather than be cancelled while the new inventory was made available to newcomers.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
What is strange is that oilers99 above said this also happened to a friend of his. It seems like a very unusual glitch, and I think they may have oversold a few in error (maybe even when they removed the HHL the next morning) and it took them 3 days to figure it out to cancel his order. My son has the same last name of course, but he has a post office box, so it couldn't have linked to me, as I have a standard home address.
He was on the phone to point out there was available stock when his was confirmed, and they insisted they do not have any more now and he will get a cc refund in 3-5 days.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
What is strange is that oilers99 above said this also happened to a friend of his. It seems like a very unusual glitch, and I think they may have oversold a few in error (maybe even when they removed the HHL the next morning) and it took them 3 days to figure it out to cancel his order. My son has the same last name of course, but he has a post office box, so it couldn't have linked to me, as I have a standard home address.
He was on the phone to point out there was available stock when his was confirmed, and they insisted they do not have any more now and he will get a cc refund in 3-5 days.
I understand. But it's still BS, because a few become available every morning, and they know this, since they are the ones making them available.
So why cancel your son's legitimate order while selling another one to @JimTyler every morning? Makes no sense, so I think something else might be going on.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
What is strange is that oilers99 above said this also happened to a friend of his. It seems like a very unusual glitch, and I think they may have oversold a few in error (maybe even when they removed the HHL the next morning) and it took them 3 days to figure it out to cancel his order. My son has the same last name of course, but he has a post office box, so it couldn't have linked to me, as I have a standard home address.
He was on the phone to point out there was available stock when his was confirmed, and they insisted they do not have any more now and he will get a cc refund in 3-5 days.
I understand. But it's still BS, because a few become available every morning, and they know this, since they are the ones making them available.
So why cancel your son's legitimate order while selling another one to @JimTyler every morning? Makes no sense, so I think something else might be going on.
It is not a big deal as he is not a collector and was just playing the lottery. I will get the one I ordered Monday.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
What is strange is that oilers99 above said this also happened to a friend of his. It seems like a very unusual glitch, and I think they may have oversold a few in error (maybe even when they removed the HHL the next morning) and it took them 3 days to figure it out to cancel his order. My son has the same last name of course, but he has a post office box, so it couldn't have linked to me, as I have a standard home address.
He was on the phone to point out there was available stock when his was confirmed, and they insisted they do not have any more now and he will get a cc refund in 3-5 days.
I understand. But it's still BS, because a few become available every morning, and they know this, since they are the ones making them available.
So why cancel your son's legitimate order while selling another one to @JimTyler every morning? Makes no sense, so I think something else might be going on.
It is not a big deal as he is not a collector and was just playing the lottery. I will get the one I ordered Monday.
In that case, forget it. It sucks that they ripped the ticket out of his hands, but there is no way they'd give him a winner now after making a stink. I'm sorry, because things like that just shouldn't happen.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
What is strange is that oilers99 above said this also happened to a friend of his. It seems like a very unusual glitch, and I think they may have oversold a few in error (maybe even when they removed the HHL the next morning) and it took them 3 days to figure it out to cancel his order. My son has the same last name of course, but he has a post office box, so it couldn't have linked to me, as I have a standard home address.
He was on the phone to point out there was available stock when his was confirmed, and they insisted they do not have any more now and he will get a cc refund in 3-5 days.
I understand. But it's still BS, because a few become available every morning, and they know this, since they are the ones making them available.
So why cancel your son's legitimate order while selling another one to @JimTyler every morning? Makes no sense, so I think something else might be going on.
We banded owls tonight, and I was telling my two colleagues about the medal and how the Mint only let you buy one, and there were special ones, and even more special ones with hand signed COAs, blah blah blah. They're not remotely interested in numismatics but we all had a good chuckle at how goofy that reverse eagle is. I can't wait to get mine tomorrow! And congrats, @Samets, on getting a privy! Will you keep it or flip it?
@HalfDime said:
The mint takes more orders than they have in inventory because some orders get denied due to credit card. It used used to be up to 10%. I had orders cancelled in the past. The only returns the mint could have now would be from dealers, and I doubt they are doing any.
Not true. The Mint has made an excess to compensate for damaged coins/medals. I have never known them to sell more than the limit except one time, by mistake, when they sold the excess mintage.
@Goldminers said:
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
What is strange is that oilers99 above said this also happened to a friend of his. It seems like a very unusual glitch, and I think they may have oversold a few in error (maybe even when they removed the HHL the next morning) and it took them 3 days to figure it out to cancel his order. My son has the same last name of course, but he has a post office box, so it couldn't have linked to me, as I have a standard home address.
He was on the phone to point out there was available stock when his was confirmed, and they insisted they do not have any more now and he will get a cc refund in 3-5 days.
I understand. But it's still BS, because a few become available every morning, and they know this, since they are the ones making them available.
So why cancel your son's legitimate order while selling another one to @JimTyler every morning? Makes no sense, so I think something else might be going on.
It means you pop up at 7:33 a.m. each day announcing "Got one more." If @Goldminer's son's order, that was placed and accepted on 10/15, was really cancelled due to a lack of stock, stock would not be made available for you to grab on 10/17, 10/18, etc. It would instead be allocated to people who successfully placed orders earlier that could not be filled due to a lack of stock.
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I dont think they (USM) will be inundated with returns on this one. Pretty wide distribution in terms of qty; secondary market is higher even for opened coins; sealed are going for much higher than issue; no more available from the USM (except for early day sales
in any
No privy for me.
I got to tell you, the Mint packaging is stellar.
The FH lady on the box is DMPL.
The COA is quite ingenious.
It appears my Flowing Hair lady likes streaks of blue neon in her locks.
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@Goldbully
Indeed very nice and better then the Morgans the Mint is producing. Can the mailed box be opened & resealed without detection. I know a few years ago I received the Proof ASE and I could open and reseal and you wouldn't know the difference.
Mine came in a poly bubble mailer bag. No outer box for OGP.
Thanks for sharing, @goldbully. She looks like a 70 all day long.
Tim
Great pics! Thank you for posting them!😎
That's how my proof Morgan and Peace dollars came.
They better not do that to the gold Flowing Hair.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
Just received email notice at 9AM today that the order for one medal my son did in the morning the first day on the 15th, and actually "confirmed" at 10:48AM with an email, and his credit card actually charged!!!, after the original order email was received at 10:40AM, was just now cancelled, because "the items are no longer in our inventory and are not available for backorder".
Has anyone ever heard of this? These are direct quotes from the US Mint emails. His order page just says "cancelled", no tracking, no shipping, but card charged.
Called the Mint and all they said to him was that he will get a cc refund in several days. It appears they may have sold more than they had, even on the first day. This does not make sense, as we know there were some sold the 16th when the HHL was lifted.
We are confused. not a household limit reason for cancelling, but an out-of-stock reason.
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The poly bubble bag is trash. The OGP IS NICE, BUT PLASTIC SHIPPING BAGS WILL INCREASE DAMAGE AND REURNS TOO.
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Didn’t this mint selling return subject come up before and mint said they don’t sell returns.
Agreed...too bad one poster here posted several dozen times about how this would flop and so many returns...kept me from ordering the added coins on day 2.
You won't. Your package will be freshly sealed with coins that were someone else's return.
"Too early for returns," assuming medals purchased this morning are shipped this afternoon. That's a big assumption. By next week, some returns will certainly be in house and ready to be turned around.
In fact, just like we didn't know that 7500 had already been sent out weeks ago, graded, and received back by the submitters and offered for sale on eBay, until we actually saw the listings on eBay, we actually have no idea where the medals being offered for sale by Mint after 12:02 p.m. on Wednesday actually came from. We are just making assumptions based on past releases, and yet, there has never been a release like this one.
And it honestly doesn't matter, because the odds of receiving a privy are tiny regardless, and no one is going to get hurt unless the bottom suddenly falls out of the market. Which is very likely to happen, once the initial excitement dies down and everyone realizes there is no longer any chance of scoring a privy from the Mint.
But, it might not, if people actually do get past the fact that these are medals, not coins, and learn to love 75K ounces of silver at a premium to $104 each. Unfortunately, people sitting on their hands waiting to see what happens are going to find their return window closed. Stay tuned.
Firstly, just want to thank you all for this very interesting thread, which I found and started reading after placing my order shortly after noon on the 15th. This was the first product I've ever bought directly from the mint, and it was only because I read a few YouTube comments about the medal under my favorite coin geek's videos that I even contemplated purchasing one. I'm a birder and also do raptor banding, so I like all the various U.S. coins with eagles on them and specifically decided to get this medal because of how goofy the eagle on the reverse looks lol. The lotto-aspect didn't really entice me, though of course I'd be very pleased to get a privy + hand-signed COA. Just checked tracking on my order and the package arrived at local distribution center today, so I should have it tomorrow. I'll definitely break the seal, especially having seen the photos just recently posted upthread.
Alright, cheers!
Welcome aboard. You sound like you will add a lot to the conversations here.
FWIW my medals ordered this morning were indeed shipped this afternoon. I don think returns would be repackaged and reshipped that fast.
extremely rare
No. And if you want a pre-paid return shipping label it takes the mint 1 or 2 days to send that to you. It'll be a week before they have any returns ready to ship back out at the earliest.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. Ordered early on the first day and received both Mint emails including the order confirmation email. 2 days later (10/17) he got the dreaded cancellation order from the Mint. It doesn't make any sense.
so the plot is to return a medal because it doesn't have a privy then make the mint pay for it?
For those who have gotten single orders, did the Mint ship in a box or padded envelope? Thanks.
Lesson learned....trust your own opinion. 😉
A plastic bubble mailer.
Welcome! Hope you stick around!
I realize it's a long thread and you might not have read it all, but that's the genesis of most of the discussion here, particularly in the beginning. There's heavy speculation that most people will simply do that. Now that there does appear to be a market for non-privy medals it's probably not an issue although I'm sure that will still happen. I'll still return any that are not damage free and 70-eligible.
This ^^^. Definitely this ^^^. But the game is not over quite yet. People are still fishing for privys.
Wait and see what happens once people have them in hand, and they don't have privys. If there is organic demand for 75K at whatever price dealers try to get, then I was wrong, and there won't be a ton of returns. But it's too soon to tell, since most have still not been received.
It's also possible that there won't be returns because the secondary market doesn't crash until after the return window closes. Then people who didn't chase medals they apparently didn't really want won't be so sorry after all.
Finally, yeah, if you can't form your own opinion, there is no reason to complain when you listen to someone else with conviction and they turn out to be wrong.
I got the privy without the signed cert. Only bought 1 btw.
Judging from the pictures on the internet, there are 3 different certificates as well.
That is AMAZING!! Congratulations! 🥳🥳🥳
This is so far beyond weird that it is total nonsense. Out of stock was absolutely not a reason on 10/15, given that they were constantly available for sale until 12:02 p.m. on 10/16, and then appeared again momentarily on 10/17 and 10/18.
Not sure what's really going on, or whether something caused them to link your son to you. But things like this are precisely why inventory has been materializing the past few days. In your case, it's total BS. Not sure how to escalate, or to who, but it's worth pursuing if you really want one, without a privy.
The mint takes more orders than they have in inventory because some orders get denied due to credit card. It used used to be up to 10%. I had orders cancelled in the past. The only returns the mint could have now would be from dealers, and I doubt they are doing any.
No. Those bad credit card orders are the items that pop up at 7:30 a.m. each morning. They don't over sell, like an airline, and then just cancel orders that there was nothing wrong with while simultaneously making items that were "denied due to credit card" available to the public each morning.
And, if they did over sell, which they absolutely do not, certainly not intentionally, those orders would be filled with suddenly available inventory in the next few days, rather than be cancelled while the new inventory was made available to newcomers.
What is strange is that oilers99 above said this also happened to a friend of his. It seems like a very unusual glitch, and I think they may have oversold a few in error (maybe even when they removed the HHL the next morning) and it took them 3 days to figure it out to cancel his order. My son has the same last name of course, but he has a post office box, so it couldn't have linked to me, as I have a standard home address.
He was on the phone to point out there was available stock when his was confirmed, and they insisted they do not have any more now and he will get a cc refund in 3-5 days.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
I understand. But it's still BS, because a few become available every morning, and they know this, since they are the ones making them available.
So why cancel your son's legitimate order while selling another one to @JimTyler every morning? Makes no sense, so I think something else might be going on.
It is not a big deal as he is not a collector and was just playing the lottery. I will get the one I ordered Monday.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Well, it is a nice looking - medal.
In that case, forget it. It sucks that they ripped the ticket out of his hands, but there is no way they'd give him a winner now after making a stink. I'm sorry, because things like that just shouldn't happen.
What does @JimTyler mean ? Did I win something ?
We banded owls tonight, and I was telling my two colleagues about the medal and how the Mint only let you buy one, and there were special ones, and even more special ones with hand signed COAs, blah blah blah. They're not remotely interested in numismatics but we all had a good chuckle at how goofy that reverse eagle is. I can't wait to get mine tomorrow! And congrats, @Samets, on getting a privy! Will you keep it or flip it?
Not true. The Mint has made an excess to compensate for damaged coins/medals. I have never known them to sell more than the limit except one time, by mistake, when they sold the excess mintage.
That's awesome!! Be sure to vote in the poll- it'll be fun to see how many privys we find as a group!
Up for less than 5 seconds this morning.
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That’s not enough time for a human to click through the buttons
Never showed available for me…kept refreshing and nada
People may have them in bag already and set up to checkout
Box of 20
I can confirm I was ready to go but wasn’t able to buy anything.
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Got my one today. No homerun (not even sure it would be a 70), but that’s ok! It’s a keeper.
They are pretty cool looking
NOV-2023 thread on the topic.
Summary - The Mint does sell returns, but only after inspecting them to ensure they meet their "strict quality standards".
It means you pop up at 7:33 a.m. each day announcing "Got one more." If @Goldminer's son's order, that was placed and accepted on 10/15, was really cancelled due to a lack of stock, stock would not be made available for you to grab on 10/17, 10/18, etc. It would instead be allocated to people who successfully placed orders earlier that could not be filled due to a lack of stock.
Pop Report as of October 19, 2024.............privies seem to have maxed out.
Interesting how there is not one MS69 in all those tribute submissions.