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  • DBesse27DBesse27 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My best guess is peppers, gates, Willis and 2 of the WRs. I hope I’m wrong and Harrison gets in.

    Yaz Master Set
    #1 Gino Cappelletti master set
    #1 John Hannah master set

    Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    @DBesse27 said:
    My best guess is peppers, gates, Willis and 2 of the WRs. I hope I’m wrong and Harrison gets in.

    Given that this is Harrison's first time as a finalist, he would seem to be quite a long shot. You never know, though.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • DBesse27DBesse27 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shagrotn77 said:

    @DBesse27 said:
    My best guess is peppers, gates, Willis and 2 of the WRs. I hope I’m wrong and Harrison gets in.

    Given that this is Harrison's first time as a finalist, he would seem to be quite a long shot. You never know, though.

    Oh I know it’s not very likely. Just a wish.

    Yaz Master Set
    #1 Gino Cappelletti master set
    #1 John Hannah master set

    Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps

  • PatriotTradingPatriotTrading Posts: 391 ✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2023 6:32PM

    @shawther said:
    Sounds like Steve McMichael has made it.

    I think clarification is needed. He's one of three finalists selected by the senior committee as a nominee for the HOF. Though most finalists eventually make it at some point, those selected still need 80% of the vote by the regular HOF selection committee. Voting takes place at the annual meeting just before the Super Bowl.

  • shawthershawther Posts: 284 ✭✭✭

    I can’t imagine him not making after being selected as a finalist by the Senior Committee. It has been a long while since a finalist hasn’t received the votes from the selection committee. As always, I look forward to hearing the final results in February.

  • jay0791jay0791 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭✭

    McMichael

    With just 2 pro bowls I can't imagine how he ever even gets considered. I watched FB thru the time he played and not once ever heard his name mentioned.

    Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets
    1948-76 Topps FB Sets
    FB & BB HOF Player sets
    1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
  • shawthershawther Posts: 284 ✭✭✭

    I think he was a poor nomination and I’m sure his health played into it. I feel there were many other qualified candidates that the nomination would’ve been better suited for.

  • PatriotTradingPatriotTrading Posts: 391 ✭✭✭

    @Copyboy1 said:
    Peppers, Gates, Willis, Holt and Wayne. But I could see Jared Allen or Freeney getting in.

    Peppers and Gates are locks. I could see at the least, one of those receivers making it if not both. Willis is going in either this year or next with Kuechly coming up next year for the first time.

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    My condolences to anyone who was looking to pick up an Art Powell 8 for a reasonable price before he gets elected next month. This one shocked the heck out of me!

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/386550452430

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • shawthershawther Posts: 284 ✭✭✭

    @shagrotn77 I was watching that as well and was just as shocked! I have a couple ungraded that are in the 5-7 range. I am kicking myself for not buying a 7 for $30 back in March. I thought I had time to pick one up.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @shawther said:
    @shagrotn77 I was watching that as well and was just as shocked! I have a couple ungraded that are in the 5-7 range. I am kicking myself for not buying a 7 for $30 back in March. I thought I had time to pick one up.

    I was also watching that one. I thought it might hit $400. I found a 6.5 for $12 locally back in November. I figured that would end up being a steal. I have another raw one that is borderline 6/7 that I paid a lot more for.

  • dfr52dfr52 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭

    This question is more towards the All Time and All Pro Sets, but when a player has only 3 rookies and 2 are autos and the other is /99 which one would get selected? I know we usually go w/ the unsigned base but /99 seems very limited. Thanks in advance!

    image

    Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
    Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
    touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
    defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
    title.
  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @dfr52 said:
    This question is more towards the All Time and All Pro Sets, but when a player has only 3 rookies and 2 are autos and the other is /99 which one would get selected? I know we usually go w/ the unsigned base but /99 seems very limited. Thanks in advance!

    This is a great trivia question - I want to know who the player is now!

  • dfr52dfr52 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:

    @dfr52 said:
    This question is more towards the All Time and All Pro Sets, but when a player has only 3 rookies and 2 are autos and the other is /99 which one would get selected? I know we usually go w/ the unsigned base but /99 seems very limited. Thanks in advance!

    This is a great trivia question - I want to know who the player is now!

    Jon Greenard😀

    image

    Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
    Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
    touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
    defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
    title.
  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    Interesting. I have a set in almost all the football sets (all time/pro bowl/hof) and the lowest numbered card I can think of is /999. I can’t think of any autos off the top of my head.

  • dfr52dfr52 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:
    Interesting. I have a set in almost all the football sets (all time/pro bowl/hof) and the lowest numbered card I can think of is /999. I can’t think of any autos off the top of my head.

    I can't think of any myself but the lowest print run I can think of is Jay Ratliff /699 and that is his only rookie.

    image

    Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
    Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
    touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
    defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
    title.
  • @dfr52 said:
    This question is more towards the All Time and All Pro Sets, but when a player has only 3 rookies and 2 are autos and the other is /99 which one would get selected? I know we usually go w/ the unsigned base but /99 seems very limited. Thanks in advance!

    Likely one of the autos. This will be set when someone tries to add a card first in this day in age.

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    Isn't Justin Tucker's only rookie card an auto? And why is it so darn expensive???

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • dfr52dfr52 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭

    @shagrotn77 said:
    Isn't Justin Tucker's only rookie card an auto? And why is it so darn expensive???

    Yep, well done sir!

    image

    Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
    Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
    touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
    defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
    title.
  • jmdvm7jmdvm7 Posts: 30 ✭✭

    Does anyone have empty Goal Line Art Series 1-6? I could use them for storage. Thanks

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2024 2:16PM

    Had some grades pop today. Pretty excited for a few of them as they are upgrades or new additions.

    2014 Topps Aaron Donald PSA 8
    2010 Topps Aaron Hernandez PSA 10
    2010 Topps Chrome Aaron Hernandez PSA 8
    2016 Select Silver Adam Thielen 104 PSA 10
    2002 Upper Deck XL Alan Faneca PSA 8 -Net new to my HOF set. Bought a whole set for $45
    2003 Leaf R&S Antonio Gates PSA 8 -BGS 8.5 crackout. I was hoping for another 8.5.
    2022 Donruss Brock Purdy PSA 10
    2022 Donruss Brock Purdy PSA 9
    2022 Optic Brock Purdy PSA 10
    2022 Optic Brock Purdy PSA 9
    2011 Topps Chrome Cam Newton PSA 8
    2011 Topps Chrome Cam Newton PSA 8
    2011 Topps Chrome Cam Newton PSA 9
    2011 Topps Chrome Cameron Heyward PSA 9
    2011 Topps Chrome Cameron Heyward PSA 9
    2008 Topps Chrome Chris Johnson PSA 10 -Upgrade
    2011 Topps Chrome Colin Kaepernick PSA 9
    2023 Topps International Trading Card Day Corbin Carroll PSA 10
    2013 Topps Chrome Cordarrelle Patterson PSA 9
    2013 Topps Chrome Cordarrelle Patterson PSA 10
    1995 SP Curtis Martin PSA 7 -I suck at grading these.
    2007 Topps Chrome Darrelle Revis TC249 PSA 10 -Upgrade to my HOF set
    1999 SP Authentic Daunte Culpepper PSA 9
    2010 Topps Chrome Demaryius Thomas PSA 8
    2010 Topps Chrome Dez Bryant PSA 9
    2010 Topps Chrome Dez Bryant PSA 10
    2010 Topps Chrome Dez Bryant PSA 10
    2002 Topps Chrome Dwight Freeney PSA 9
    2010 Topps Chrome Earl Thomas PSA 9
    2013 Topps Chrome Eric Fisher PSA 10
    2012 Topps Geno Atkins PSA 8
    2012 Topps Geno Atkins PSA 9
    1998 Leaf R&S Hines Ward PSA 10 -Raw find off ebay
    1994 Bowman Isaac Bruce PSA 10 -Upgrade to my HOF set
    2022 Prizm Green James Cook PSA 8 -oops
    2021 Elite Extra Edition Signatures James Wood PSA 9
    2016 Prizm Silver Jared Goff PSA 10 -bought raw for $16 a couple weeks ago
    2022 Contenders Rookie Ticket Auto Jerome Ford PSA 10
    2020 Bowman Paper Purple Auto Jhoan Duran PSA 9
    2008 Topps Chrome Joe Flacco PSA 9
    2020 Select Maroon Die Cut Jordan Love 47 PSA 10
    2011 Topps Chrome Justin Houston PSA 9
    2011 Topps Chrome Justin Houston PSA 8
    2011 Topps Chrome Justin Houston PSA 9
    2020 Score Black Justin Jefferson PSA 9
    2020 Score Justin Jefferson PSA 10
    2012 Topps Kam Chancellor PSA 10 -Found all of these Kam's in a quarter box!
    2012 Topps Kam Chancellor PSA 9
    2012 Topps Kam Chancellor PSA 10
    2012 Topps Kam Chancellor PSA 8
    2012 Topps Kam Chancellor PSA 9
    2022 Contenders Rookie Ticket Auto Khalil Shakir PSA 10
    2012 Topps Chrome Kirk Cousins PSA 9
    2011 Topps Chrome Kyle Rudolph PSA 9
    2018 Rookies & Stars Lamar Jackson PSA 10
    2018 Rookies & Stars Lamar Jackson PSA 9
    2018 Rookies & Stars Lamar Jackson PSA 9
    2018 Rookies & Stars Lamar Jackson PSA 10
    2018 Rookies & Stars Lamar Jackson PSA 9
    2018 Rookies & Stars - Precision Passers Lamar Jackson PSA 10
    2018 Rookies & Stars - Precision Passers Lamar Jackson PSA 10
    1994 SP Holoview Die-Cut Leshon Johnson PSA 9
    2014 Topps Malcolm Smith PSA 10 -SB MVP. Another quarter-box find.
    2001 NFL Showdown 1st Matt Birk 234 PSA 8.5 -Tough card, bought raw off ebay
    2023 Topps International Trading Card Day Michael Harris II PSA 10
    2010 Topps Chrome Xfractor Ndamukong Suh PSA 9
    2002 Upper Deck XL Olin Kreutz PSA 9 -came from the xl set
    2008 Bowman Orange /250 Randy Moss PSA 7 -oops again
    2011 Topps Chrome Ryan Kerrigan PSA 9
    2012 Topps Chrome Stephon Gilmore PSA 10 -upgrade
    2012 Topps Chrome Stephon Gilmore PSA 10
    2012 Topps Chrome Stephon Gilmore PSA 9
    2002 Topps Total Award Tom Brady PSA 10 -Raw for $1
    2002 Upper Deck XL Tom Brady 276 PSA 8 -came from the xl set
    2002 Upper Deck XL Tom Brady Checklist 500 PSA 9 -came from the xl set
    1999 SP Authentic Torry Holt N6 -Cracked out a GEM 10. Looked really good but measured just short, I was afraid of that.
    2010 Topps Chrome Trent Williams PSA 9
    1996 Topps Willie Anderson 431 PSA 10 -Had 14 of these in a snap case from 15+ years ago. Sent in 5 her and 5 more today.
    1996 Topps Willie Anderson 431 PSA 10
    1996 Topps Willie Anderson 431 PSA 10
    1996 Topps Willie Anderson 431 PSA 6 -not sure what I missed here. Yikes.
    1996 Topps Willie Anderson 431 PSA 9

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    For those of you who dislike the NFL Awards shows as much as I do, the HOF leaks have started rolling in. This is a bit of a surprise because they've been super tight-lipped about who was getting in before the announcement the last years. Alas, I know that Devin Hester, Julius Peppers and Steve McMichael are in. The last 2 should come as a surprise to no one. Hester may surprise a few, but he was on my list 😉.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    Willis is in. Jared Allen is out. Continuing to track the leaks.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • shawthershawther Posts: 284 ✭✭✭

    Extremely surprised that two from the senior nominations didn’t make it. I would’ve been less surprised if McMichael was one of them. A bit of a flop this year.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2024 10:04PM

    @shawther said:
    Extremely surprised that two from the senior nominations didn’t make it. I would’ve been less surprised if McMichael was one of them. A bit of a flop this year.

    I looked at a number of sites and tweets and the senior list was different on every one. Only Powell didn’t make it. Gradishar and McMichael did. Right? 😂

    I’m more surprised Gates didn’t get in. Then I was seeing “banned substances” and I don’t remember that at all.

  • shawthershawther Posts: 284 ✭✭✭

    I didn’t remember that either. Raymond Parker also missed out I believe.

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    Gates and Powell not getting in was an absolute joke.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    Looks like the new HOF guys were removed from the HOF Future sets but haven't quite made it into the HOF set. Is anyone expecting anything other than a weight of 1 for these guys?

  • Below are the members of the Class of 2024:

    Dwight Freeney
    Devin Hester
    Andre Johnson
    Julius Peppers
    Patrick Willis
    Randy Gradishar (senior)
    Steve McMichael (senior)

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    From what I've read, that's pretty unlikely. For some unknown reason, they lumped the contributors and coaches in with the seniors, and only 3 can make it combined. After all the work they did to help clear the backlog of senior HOF candidates, this is a real head-scratcher.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • Long time lurker on this board as I've been building this set over the past 3 years. (At #34 I'm making progress, but what some of you guys have built is amazing!) Though I've never posted, I've learned a lot from all of your posts and spirited debates over the years. Thank you to everyone one who has posted! But now a question...

    With Marshall Yanda potentially going in to the hall, which card will be his rookie card for the set? I have his 2015 Topps card, which is the Future HOF Rookie Set, but I'm wondering if it will / should be the 2015 Topps Gold since it's a number card and only has 2015 printed?

    I guess the same could be asked if Jahri Evans gets in. I have both the 2010 Topps and the 2010 Topps Gold, (which only has 2010 copies printed). With the limited number (but over 1,000 printed & higher price), shouldn't the Gold version be the card? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @seanc80 Welcome and thanks for bumping this thread!
    Generally the future HOF card is what makes it into the HOF set upon induction. There have been some w captions with cards that were in the “all-time” sets, Terrell Davis, Reggie White, Jim Kelly immediately come to mind, but I can’t think of an example where the spec in the future set is different than the final HOF card that gets added. Maybe someone will correct me.

  • jay0791jay0791 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭✭

    FYI gold card are not allowed. Just basically base cards.

    Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets
    1948-76 Topps FB Sets
    FB & BB HOF Player sets
    1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    The card in the Future HOF RCs set is 100% the card that will (right or wrong) be chosen for the HOF RCs set. This comes straight from PSA.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    I like Kuechly over Vinatieri. I can’t see a kicker getting in first ballot and I don’t think Manning is first ballot either but I do think he eventually gets in. Wayne is deserving as well. I’m not sure if I lean towards him or Holt. I’m more curious who the seniors will be. Do Sharpe or Baughan get in?

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    Gates
    Holt
    Allen
    Woodson
    Wayne

    If Wayne doesn't make it, I'll say Vinatieri instead.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • Manning will get in since there is no other QB candidate but I agree he's not a first ballot player.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    Adam Rank just put out his predictions for the HOF this year; Vinatieri, Holt, Kuechly, Gates and Manning.

    I still think Manning waits a year and one of the OL gets in (Yanda, Anderson or Evans) and after more thought on it, I think Wayne over Holt this year. While I think Vinatieri is deserving, perhaps even as a first ballot special teamer, I don't think the voters are ready to do that just yet.

    The senior list is just as interesting given Powell was on it last year and didn't make it and now isn't even a finalist. Do they put Baughan or Sharpe in? Sharpe doesn't feel like HOF to me and I know very little about Baughan. I keep waiting for @shagrotn77 to give us the leak. :)

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    Ha. They were great about preventing leaks for a few years in a row prior to last year. I believe all of the inductees were leaked before that dreadful awards show. I wouldn't expect any leaks until the meeting concludes tomorrow (early afternoon I assume).

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    0 AP1 or AP2 and 0 MVP votes according to Twitter. Does have the helmet catch and beating Brady twice in the Super Bowl.

  • recbballrecbball Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭

    Most important stat for Eli - Beating Brady twice in the Super Bowl

  • Other important stat = last name is "Manning"

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    Nada so far.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    All I've heard so far is that Eli did NOT make it this year.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭

    Maxie Baughan, Darren Woodson and Willie Anderson also not in. No word yet (as far as I know) on who is in. The voters are clueless to let Baughan get this close and not vote him in. He's LOOOONNNGG overdue.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    Strange. They did this to Art Powell
    Last year too. Holmgren must’ve got in. If no Maxie does that mean Sharpe gets in?

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2025 5:44PM

    Only 3 of the senior finalists/coach finalist/contributor finalists can make it.

    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    I completely forgot about Hay and Tyrer 🤦‍♂️

  • What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!

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