I agree. Some are never gonna get close - Staley (No 1st Team All Pro), Fred Taylor (no 1st team AP), Matt Ryan (1x 1st team, 1x MVP), & Russell Wilson (No 1st teams). Kalil (2x All Pro 1st team) is fringe at best.
I can agree with that. Wilson might be able to do enough in his final years, however long that might be, to climb the list. Matt Ryan is a stats accumulator guy more than accolades but far from shoe in. They could’ve added Jahri Evans over a few of these. I wish they would’ve put it up for vote like they used to. Helps keep the integrity.
I didn’t request him, but I think Russell Wilson is already a first-ballot lock. Staley and Kalil I don’t think will get in. The most rock solid addition to set was Bryant Young! Oh wait. (Yes, he’s already been removed).
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
So, we have our first "or" card for a HOF set since 1950 and it's Willie Freaking Anderson? Why can't we decide on one card for him? And how is it that one of the options isn't his Topps Finest a la Brian Dawkins from the same year? What a terrible precedent. If the collectors of this set wanted to do something like that for Brady or other high priced cards, I'd understand. It would make filling the set more attainable for folks. But Anderson? Good grief.
@sufferingbillsfan said:
So, we have our first "or" card for a HOF set since 1950 and it's Willie Freaking Anderson? Why can't we decide on one card for him? And how is it that one of the options isn't his Topps Finest a la Brian Dawkins from the same year? What a terrible precedent. If the collectors of this set wanted to do something like that for Brady or other high priced cards, I'd understand. It would make filling the set more attainable for folks. But Anderson? Good grief.
I agree with you. Who is making these decisions? Why wouldn’t they bring it up for a vote like they use to. Like you said, why is his Topps card the next best choice. It was good to see some movement in the registry but not this kind of movement. I wonder if we’ll have any input.
@BillsGridironGreats said:
Yes someone requested the 1996 topps card for the Bengals set - so we all have to carry on with that decision to put a fire starter in the set!
Well, not exactly. You have the option to use the bowman's best. Not saying I agree with it, just offering up rationale as to why the Topps card was offered. I would argue that it's annoying when a card is in one set, especially if it's for a long time, and then they become eligible for another set and the card is now changed. I feel like the Sam Mills is one of those cards, as I recall, his 1988 Topps was the card in the Saints and future HOF set for quite a while and then it was changed at some point to the USFL card. I personally don't love the "or" cards, especially for readily-available, low-cost cards but I do understand why it was maybe offered here.
My issue is that cards like the 1996 Topps should never end up in any set but the 1996 Topps set or 1996 Topps Bengals team sets. After 1988, theTopps sets are junk wax at best. The only reason to have a card from a Topps set after 1988 is that no one else thought enough of them to make a rookie card (ie. Marshall Yanda).
@BillsGridironGreats said:
My issue is that cards like the 1996 Topps should never end up in any set but the 1996 Topps set or 1996 Topps Bengals team sets. After 1988, theTopps sets are junk wax at best. The only reason to have a card from a Topps set after 1988 is that no one else thought enough of them to make a rookie card (ie. Marshall Yanda).
This!
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
It seems like PSA has been pushing a Topps agenda across sports for the past few years - even when there is a clearly more valuable Topps Chrome version! I saw the Willie Anderson and I had the same "why?" reaction, but I'm glad we still have the option to use the best rookie card for that player. Regarding Sam Mills, how is '88 Topps card was ever chosen as "the" card over his '85 USFL issue is a head scratcher. Especially when you consider the precedent that was already set with Young, White and Kelly.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Agreed. And to your point about Young, White and Kelly - there was another rookies set I was looking at and it has 87T Kelly and 86T Young and White. While I like those cards because they are in their NFL unit’s, it is the same thing. Why have two different cards spread across similar-type sets?
I think that the use of the non-USFL cards was limited to NFL all pro and all-time sets by team. There is a problem with consistency there as sometimes it the USFL card and some times not. I also don't get why some of those sets have either the 1952 small or large version while others require a specific one, usually the Large. Most of the pops in high grade are lower in the small version versus the large.
When the Pro Bowl/All Pro team registries were added a few years ago I was told that the cards chosen for those sets would be the consensus selections going forward. Maybe this has changed? Good point on base topps or really any base product after 1991 when premium brands started popping up.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys - Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL title.
So, we have our first "or" card for a HOF set since 1950 and it's Willie Freaking Anderson? Why can't we decide on one card for him? And how is it that one of the options isn't his Topps Finest a la Brian Dawkins from the same year? What a terrible precedent. If the collectors of this set wanted to do something like that for Brady or other high priced cards, I'd understand. It would make filling the set more attainable for folks. But Anderson? Good grief.
stuff like this is why I no longer care about the registry.
@shagrotn77 said:
It seems like PSA has been pushing a Topps agenda across sports for the past few years - even when there is a clearly more valuable Topps Chrome version! I saw the Willie Anderson and I had the same "why?" reaction, but I'm glad we still have the option to use the best rookie card for that player. Regarding Sam Mills, how is '88 Topps card was ever chosen as "the" card over his '85 USFL issue is a head scratcher. Especially when you consider the precedent that was already set with Young, White and Kelly.
Years ago I submitted the 84by USFL Bobby Hebert for the All Time Saints set. It got voted down. About a decade later someone else submits his 86 Topps it gets voted in. I message the Registry and say the 84 USFL is the correct card. They say it is not and the 86 is the correct card. Just infuriating.
@BillsGridironGreats said:
Initially the 1988 card was added - but quickly replaced with the right card.
Hey, I think I just bought a 2010 Jahri Evans from you. I've seen you on this message board for years but didn't connect you to your online store until I saw the note. Thanks for the deal and great card.
@BillsGridironGreats said:
Initially the 1988 card was added - but quickly replaced with the right card.
I was told the registry coordinators were not going to send out requests to vote anymore. They have a new "expert" that will make decisions on how what gets added to these sets going forward. I was told the "or" will be used to fix sets where the key card was not used in the past. Keep an eye on your email for card adds to your set. I've all ready identified cards being added to sets that didn't meet the the requirements. The registry coordinator fixed immediately once I pointed out the error. Bumpy ride ahead..,
Upgraded some cards in the set - Anyone interested in a 1948 Leaf Doak Walker PSA 5 ($600), 1948 Bowman Bulldog Turner PSA 5 ($400), 1971 Terry Bradshaw PSA 8oc ($700), and 1996 SP Jonathan Ogden PSA 9 ($100). Also still have some Klecko, Riley and Howley graded RCs too.
@BillsGridironGreats said:
Upgraded some cards in the set - Anyone interested in a 1948 Leaf Doak Walker PSA 5 ($600), 1948 Bowman Bulldog Turner PSA 5 ($400), 1971 Terry Bradshaw PSA 8oc ($700), and 1996 SP Jonathan Ogden PSA 9 ($100). Also still have some Klecko, Riley and Howley graded RCs too.
Did you upgrade your Bradshaw to an 8 or a 7. I’ve been on the lookout for an 8 just not having much luck.
Just look at some of the players the PSA experts have failed to include in the futures sets. Do they even bother to look at the HOF list of candidates every year?
Class of 2023 Modern-Era Player Semifinalists
The following is the list of 2023 Modern-Era Player Semifinalists, including their positions, years and teams. Also listed are the number of times and years the candidate has been named a Semifinalist since this reduction vote was added to the Hall of Fame’s Bylaws in 2004. (Note: The Bylaws state the number of Semifinalists shall be 25 – or a larger number if players tie for the 25th position.)
Eric Allen, CB – 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2021-23)
Jared Allen, DE – 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2021-23)
Willie Anderson, T – 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2021-23)
Ronde Barber, CB/S – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2018-2023)
Anquan Boldin, WR – 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Henry Ellard, WR – 1983-1993 Los Angeles Rams, 1994-98 Washington Redskins, 1998 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Jahri Evans, G – 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
London Fletcher, LB – 1998-2001 St. Louis Rams, 2002-06 Buffalo Bills, 2007-2013 Washington Redskins | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Dwight Freeney, DE – 2002-2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2013-14 San Diego Chargers, 2015 Arizona Cardinals, 2016 Atlanta Falcons, 2017 Seattle Seahawks, 2017 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
James Harrison, LB – 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Rodney Harrison, S – 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2021, 2023)
Devin Hester, PR/KR/WR – 2006-2013 Chicago Bears, 2014-15 Atlanta Falcons, 2016 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Torry Holt, WR – 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015-2023)
Andre Johnson, WR – 2003-2014 Houston Texans, 2015 Indianapolis Colts, 2016 Tennessee Titans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Albert Lewis, CB – 1983-1993 Kansas City Chiefs, 1994-98 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2013, 2023)
Robert Mathis, DE/LB – 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Darrelle Revis, CB – 2007-2012, 2015-16 New York Jets, 2013 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2014 New England Patriots, 2017 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Steve Smith Sr., WR – 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Fred Taylor, RB – 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2020-23)
Joe Thomas, T – 2007-2017 Cleveland Browns | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Zach Thomas, LB – 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2019-2023)
Hines Ward, WR – 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 7 – 2017-2023)
DeMarcus Ware, LB/DE – 2005-2013 Dallas Cowboys, 2014-16 Denver Broncos | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Ricky Watters, RB – 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2020, 2022-23)
Reggie Wayne, WR – 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2020-23)
Vince Wilfork, DT – 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Patrick Willis, LB – 2007-2014 San Francisco 49ers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2020-23)
Darren Woodson, S – 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 7 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2023)
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
@jmdvm7 said:
Just look at some of the players the PSA experts have failed to include in the futures sets. Do they even bother to look at the HOF list of candidates every year?
@jay0791 said:
I think Joe is referring to the PSA future RC HOF set not the HOF selections.
Yes, he is, but my understanding has been that collectors nominate the players on that list. I didn’t think the registry folks just selected a checklist.
Dan
Not anymore. Back when...... this thread had many very knowledgeable guys (not saying not now). Players were discussed here first and often the criteria was they had to be almost in the HOF. Then a card was chosen by us using the criteria it was the most valuable of the recognized RCF's. Then a few "patron mother's" went to PSA and put in the request.
Often PSA would send out surveys to all that collected the set so that the majority rules.
After this some registry guys bypassed this system and requested player and cards.
Now PSA just does it all.
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
My mistake. I knew the polls stopped, but still thought the collectors requested the slots. If PSA does all the deciding, that’s problematic, to say the least. Thanks for the education.
Unless I'm mistaken, PSA still does not select the players for sets - just the cards.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Andy (above comment) is one of the patron mothers I was referring to. He helped run this set for years. So most likely I am wrong. I am going with my assumption because I do collect the sets and have not been asked about players/cards from PSA yet the new names appear. No discussion on here.
I can go many months without looking at the registry sets. Yesterday I did and found Sterling Sharpe on the set. Don't know how but he is there. Many others I can name.
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Hello everyone! The point I was trying to make is that the accuracy of the sets, both modern and senior, should be based on the semi-finalists as selected by the pro FB HOF committees. Mistakes have been made by both us as members who used to vote and this new PSA selection process. Here are 2 examples---Jimmy Smith and Devin Hester. I recall Hester being voted down by the registry members yet he's a semi-finalist. When was the last time Jimmy Smith got any committee consideration? It took years to get Joe Jacoby in a set. Guys like Sam Mills were never in the futures set. Obviously this applies more easily to retired players. I really don't have a good answer for active players. Tom Brady is a no brainer. But what do you do with guys like Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan? I suppose time will tell.
Per the AP DPOY and Steelers All Pro sets, James Harrison's card would be 2008 Stadium Club. He does have several other 2008 rookie cards, including a 2008 Exquisite /75 and a 2008 Bowman Sterling JSY /389 -- too rare to be the choice under the rules that used to be in place. I'm not sure if PSA still sees it that way, though.
I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread that the card that's in the All-Pro set will apply across the board (assuming said player was named an All-Pro at some point).
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Comments
I haven't been asked to vote in a long time for any poll or additions. Have not looked at the list in a long time.
Just looked. Well, I can't say I totally agree with those new additions.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
I don’t agree with many of the names that they added. There were probably others I would’ve added in their place.
I agree. Some are never gonna get close - Staley (No 1st Team All Pro), Fred Taylor (no 1st team AP), Matt Ryan (1x 1st team, 1x MVP), & Russell Wilson (No 1st teams). Kalil (2x All Pro 1st team) is fringe at best.
Hall of very good seems to be the new additions!
I can agree with that. Wilson might be able to do enough in his final years, however long that might be, to climb the list. Matt Ryan is a stats accumulator guy more than accolades but far from shoe in. They could’ve added Jahri Evans over a few of these. I wish they would’ve put it up for vote like they used to. Helps keep the integrity.
I didn’t request him, but I think Russell Wilson is already a first-ballot lock. Staley and Kalil I don’t think will get in. The most rock solid addition to set was Bryant Young! Oh wait. (Yes, he’s already been removed).
So, we have our first "or" card for a HOF set since 1950 and it's Willie Freaking Anderson? Why can't we decide on one card for him? And how is it that one of the options isn't his Topps Finest a la Brian Dawkins from the same year? What a terrible precedent. If the collectors of this set wanted to do something like that for Brady or other high priced cards, I'd understand. It would make filling the set more attainable for folks. But Anderson? Good grief.
I agree with you. Who is making these decisions? Why wouldn’t they bring it up for a vote like they use to. Like you said, why is his Topps card the next best choice. It was good to see some movement in the registry but not this kind of movement. I wonder if we’ll have any input.
I think for Willie Anderson, he has been in the all time Bengals team set for many years and it was the 1996 Topps.
Yes someone requested the 1996 topps card for the Bengals set - so we all have to carry on with that decision to put a fire starter in the set!
Well, not exactly. You have the option to use the bowman's best. Not saying I agree with it, just offering up rationale as to why the Topps card was offered. I would argue that it's annoying when a card is in one set, especially if it's for a long time, and then they become eligible for another set and the card is now changed. I feel like the Sam Mills is one of those cards, as I recall, his 1988 Topps was the card in the Saints and future HOF set for quite a while and then it was changed at some point to the USFL card. I personally don't love the "or" cards, especially for readily-available, low-cost cards but I do understand why it was maybe offered here.
My issue is that cards like the 1996 Topps should never end up in any set but the 1996 Topps set or 1996 Topps Bengals team sets. After 1988, theTopps sets are junk wax at best. The only reason to have a card from a Topps set after 1988 is that no one else thought enough of them to make a rookie card (ie. Marshall Yanda).
This!
It seems like PSA has been pushing a Topps agenda across sports for the past few years - even when there is a clearly more valuable Topps Chrome version! I saw the Willie Anderson and I had the same "why?" reaction, but I'm glad we still have the option to use the best rookie card for that player. Regarding Sam Mills, how is '88 Topps card was ever chosen as "the" card over his '85 USFL issue is a head scratcher. Especially when you consider the precedent that was already set with Young, White and Kelly.
Agreed. And to your point about Young, White and Kelly - there was another rookies set I was looking at and it has 87T Kelly and 86T Young and White. While I like those cards because they are in their NFL unit’s, it is the same thing. Why have two different cards spread across similar-type sets?
I think that the use of the non-USFL cards was limited to NFL all pro and all-time sets by team. There is a problem with consistency there as sometimes it the USFL card and some times not. I also don't get why some of those sets have either the 1952 small or large version while others require a specific one, usually the Large. Most of the pops in high grade are lower in the small version versus the large.
what ??? The mills card isn't the 85
I better have a look.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Yeah, what did I miss? His RC still looks like the USFL one to me.
Initially the 1988 card was added - but quickly replaced with the right card.
When the Pro Bowl/All Pro team registries were added a few years ago I was told that the cards chosen for those sets would be the consensus selections going forward. Maybe this has changed? Good point on base topps or really any base product after 1991 when premium brands started popping up.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
title.
Had this pop a couple months ago:
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
I've been familiar with Pro Football Reference for a while, but only recently found their Hall of Fame Monitor. I found it pretty interesting.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm
Optic km> @sufferingbillsfan said:
stuff like this is why I no longer care about the registry.
Years ago I submitted the 84by USFL Bobby Hebert for the All Time Saints set. It got voted down. About a decade later someone else submits his 86 Topps it gets voted in. I message the Registry and say the 84 USFL is the correct card. They say it is not and the 86 is the correct card. Just infuriating.
Nice Seymour.
I still need to get one.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Thanks. In my opinion, that dimple on the right border is all that kept it from a 9.
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
Hey, I think I just bought a 2010 Jahri Evans from you. I've seen you on this message board for years but didn't connect you to your online store until I saw the note. Thanks for the deal and great card.
I was told the registry coordinators were not going to send out requests to vote anymore. They have a new "expert" that will make decisions on how what gets added to these sets going forward. I was told the "or" will be used to fix sets where the key card was not used in the past. Keep an eye on your email for card adds to your set. I've all ready identified cards being added to sets that didn't meet the the requirements. The registry coordinator fixed immediately once I pointed out the error. Bumpy ride ahead..,
Hopefully their registry expert is better than their average grading expert. Otherwise we’re even more screwed!
Glad to see Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson padding their Future HOF resumes this season....
Were the recent additions to the Future HOF Registry ever sent out for a vote? Because I must have missed that email.
Upgraded some cards in the set - Anyone interested in a 1948 Leaf Doak Walker PSA 5 ($600), 1948 Bowman Bulldog Turner PSA 5 ($400), 1971 Terry Bradshaw PSA 8oc ($700), and 1996 SP Jonathan Ogden PSA 9 ($100). Also still have some Klecko, Riley and Howley graded RCs too.
Did you upgrade your Bradshaw to an 8 or a 7. I’ve been on the lookout for an 8 just not having much luck.
An 8, but not for sale.
Finalists announced today.
https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2022/28-modern-era-players-named-as-semifinalists-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame’s-class-of-2023/
My predictions (not that anyone asked):
Dwight Freeney
DeMarcus Ware
Ronde Barber
Joe Thomas
Torry Holt
and
Klecko
Howley
Riley
Just look at some of the players the PSA experts have failed to include in the futures sets. Do they even bother to look at the HOF list of candidates every year?
Class of 2023 Modern-Era Player Semifinalists
The following is the list of 2023 Modern-Era Player Semifinalists, including their positions, years and teams. Also listed are the number of times and years the candidate has been named a Semifinalist since this reduction vote was added to the Hall of Fame’s Bylaws in 2004. (Note: The Bylaws state the number of Semifinalists shall be 25 – or a larger number if players tie for the 25th position.)
Eric Allen, CB – 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2021-23)
Jared Allen, DE – 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2021-23)
Willie Anderson, T – 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2021-23)
Ronde Barber, CB/S – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2018-2023)
Anquan Boldin, WR – 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Henry Ellard, WR – 1983-1993 Los Angeles Rams, 1994-98 Washington Redskins, 1998 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Jahri Evans, G – 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
London Fletcher, LB – 1998-2001 St. Louis Rams, 2002-06 Buffalo Bills, 2007-2013 Washington Redskins | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Dwight Freeney, DE – 2002-2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2013-14 San Diego Chargers, 2015 Arizona Cardinals, 2016 Atlanta Falcons, 2017 Seattle Seahawks, 2017 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
James Harrison, LB – 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Rodney Harrison, S – 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2021, 2023)
Devin Hester, PR/KR/WR – 2006-2013 Chicago Bears, 2014-15 Atlanta Falcons, 2016 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Torry Holt, WR – 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015-2023)
Andre Johnson, WR – 2003-2014 Houston Texans, 2015 Indianapolis Colts, 2016 Tennessee Titans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Albert Lewis, CB – 1983-1993 Kansas City Chiefs, 1994-98 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2013, 2023)
Robert Mathis, DE/LB – 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Darrelle Revis, CB – 2007-2012, 2015-16 New York Jets, 2013 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2014 New England Patriots, 2017 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Steve Smith Sr., WR – 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Fred Taylor, RB – 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2020-23)
Joe Thomas, T – 2007-2017 Cleveland Browns | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2023)
Zach Thomas, LB – 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2019-2023)
Hines Ward, WR – 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 7 – 2017-2023)
DeMarcus Ware, LB/DE – 2005-2013 Dallas Cowboys, 2014-16 Denver Broncos | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Ricky Watters, RB – 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2020, 2022-23)
Reggie Wayne, WR – 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2020-23)
Vince Wilfork, DT – 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2022-23)
Patrick Willis, LB – 2007-2014 San Francisco 49ers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2020-23)
Darren Woodson, S – 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 7 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2023)
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
PSA doesn’t pick the players on the list.
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
I think Joe is referring to the PSA future RC HOF set not the HOF selections.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Yes, he is, but my understanding has been that collectors nominate the players on that list. I didn’t think the registry folks just selected a checklist.
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
Dan
Not anymore. Back when...... this thread had many very knowledgeable guys (not saying not now). Players were discussed here first and often the criteria was they had to be almost in the HOF. Then a card was chosen by us using the criteria it was the most valuable of the recognized RCF's. Then a few "patron mother's" went to PSA and put in the request.
Often PSA would send out surveys to all that collected the set so that the majority rules.
After this some registry guys bypassed this system and requested player and cards.
Now PSA just does it all.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
My mistake. I knew the polls stopped, but still thought the collectors requested the slots. If PSA does all the deciding, that’s problematic, to say the least. Thanks for the education.
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
Unless I'm mistaken, PSA still does not select the players for sets - just the cards.
Andy (above comment) is one of the patron mothers I was referring to. He helped run this set for years. So most likely I am wrong. I am going with my assumption because I do collect the sets and have not been asked about players/cards from PSA yet the new names appear. No discussion on here.
I can go many months without looking at the registry sets. Yesterday I did and found Sterling Sharpe on the set. Don't know how but he is there. Many others I can name.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Hello everyone! The point I was trying to make is that the accuracy of the sets, both modern and senior, should be based on the semi-finalists as selected by the pro FB HOF committees. Mistakes have been made by both us as members who used to vote and this new PSA selection process. Here are 2 examples---Jimmy Smith and Devin Hester. I recall Hester being voted down by the registry members yet he's a semi-finalist. When was the last time Jimmy Smith got any committee consideration? It took years to get Joe Jacoby in a set. Guys like Sam Mills were never in the futures set. Obviously this applies more easily to retired players. I really don't have a good answer for active players. Tom Brady is a no brainer. But what do you do with guys like Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan? I suppose time will tell.
By the way, we know the rookies for Ellard, Lewis and Evans. What would be the best choices for London Fletcher and James Harrison?
I think Harrison is topps chrome. Don't have the cards so not sure 100%
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
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Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
Per the AP DPOY and Steelers All Pro sets, James Harrison's card would be 2008 Stadium Club. He does have several other 2008 rookie cards, including a 2008 Exquisite /75 and a 2008 Bowman Sterling JSY /389 -- too rare to be the choice under the rules that used to be in place. I'm not sure if PSA still sees it that way, though.
I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread that the card that's in the All-Pro set will apply across the board (assuming said player was named an All-Pro at some point).
My predictions):
Devin Hester
DeMarcus Ware
Derrelle Revis
Joe Thomas
Torry Holt
and
Klecko
Howley
Riley
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All of the players on your lists are deserving but I think it’s time for Zach Thomas to make it.