1) The lettering is flattened on both obverse and reverse around the rims. Grease-filled die?
2) It seems to match up with DDR-001 on Variety Vista. Looks closest to Stage C. I’m not a variety collector and I don’t see this listed on CoinFacts, so I assume this is a minor variety that doesn’t carry any additional value or demand?
1) The lettering is flattened on both obverse and reverse around the rims. Grease-filled die?
2) It seems to match up with DDR-001 on Variety Vista. Looks closest to Stage C. I’m not a variety collector and I don’t see this listed on CoinFacts, so I assume this is a minor variety that doesn’t carry any additional value or demand?
Appreciate any thoughts.
My kind of toning! I love it. I think you are right about the grease filled die.
@erwindoc if you liked the toning on that 40-S, I think you’ll love this one.
Snagged this type B off eBay—it has one of the most attractive reverses I’ve seen in this series. The luster punches above grade while a few obverse pockmarks hold it to MS65. Some heavy die polish.
@P0CKETCHANGE said: @erwindoc if you liked the toning on that 40-S, I think you’ll love this one.
Snagged this type B off eBay—it has one of the most attractive reverses I’ve seen in this series. The luster punches above grade while a few obverse pockmarks hold it to MS65. Some heavy die polish.
@davewesen said:
I have a common date in 67 and trying to get it higher.
What would be the best route? crackout and try again, or regrade in holder and let them crackout?
I don't see an image in your thread, did you post one? Truly, that would be far, far better for us to go on than just words. In general, PCGS has historically valued luster, luster, luster on the MS68 grade in combination with fairly mark-free surfaces and some type of great skin (light color or great toning). Simply having an MS67 from a common grade ins't a recipe for maxing out upon regrade. Are you hoping for an MS67+ or do you really think this might pop MS68?
I’m a sucker for absurd toners and this one is one of the wildest I’ve come across. It has some vibrant iridescence especially on the reverse, and while this one might not be everyone’s cup of tea, I think it’s a lot of fun for $50
@erwindoc definitely a similar color palette—bright fuchsia, electric green, yellow and orange. I LOVE the variation in toning and color in this series. This one is not easy to photograph so I'm thankful for the TrueView.
So I was lucky enough to win a 1948-S/S on Great Collections the other day. This is a very difficult variety to obtain. It is graded AU-58, but there are just a handful graded so very happy to add this to my set. I now have 29 coins to finish the 183 coin set.
@SanctionII said:
Newly graded Washington Quarters. They are toned and the Trueview photos do not come close to showing the quarters as they look in hand.
@P0CKETCHANGE said:
What do you guys think of this one? Be honest
Mint Set toned-looking, lower grade, touches of nice color, for a '62-D I personally would look for something with more luster if it were my collection. Type B?
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
It's not original US Mint Set toned since the mint sets that year came in plastic and were not housed in cardboard with paper covers. I like the splash of color at 4:00 on the obverse and corresponding area on the reverse, but I otherwise don't like the overall eye appeal very much.
@P0CKETCHANGE said:
What do you guys think of this one? Be honest
Color and luster would have turned out dramatically different if shot raw rather than through the slab. In most cases color is very tough to capture due to interference with slab glare.
It is an unusual coin. The areas where luster is muted are very muted, like a thick haze. The rainbow areas are fully lustrous, and the color is intense and bright. I’m as surprised that it’s in a 66 holder as that it has a CAC sticker.
Hi All - and happy holidays! over 20 years ago, I put together a gorgeous complete set of Washington from 1932 to 1964 with everyone grading p66 and above except for the 32D & S. Today, I had some free time, and I noticed the prices for P66 much lower. What should I do with the set. Many are toned. Never sent to CAC nor did I ever upgrade the coins. Personally, I like the set and never listed the set on the registry. Suggestions?
@EastonCollection So Easton, the coins are in older PCGS holders? OGH (Old Green Holder) PCGS-graded? or maybe not that old like those from the '90's. I have seen some collect specific holder types and willing to pay a premium for certain ones. So 20 years means Gen 4.1 holder or earlier?
Someone correct me I I am wrong, I hear CAC no longer allows non-stickered submissions to be returned without a submission fee attached anymore. So unless you are perfect in guessing what they accept, it could become costly.
Upgrade candidates: depends on each coin evaluated individually, price level and differential between MS66 and the next higher grade... a + or 67, etc
It has also been mentioned on this thread that luster is important to the upgrade game.
Tim
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
There has been too much gradeflation in the series. Used to be only a handful of dates with MS68s. Now there are lots. As a result, it has driven down prices on 67s and your 66s. I would still advise you to enjoy them for what they are, nice quarters.
If you want to play the ugrade game, you of course can but it can get expensive!
@sedulous said: @EastonCollection So Easton, the coins are in older PCGS holders? OGH (Old Green Holder) PCGS-graded? or maybe not that old like those from the '90's. I have seen some collect specific holder types and willing to pay a premium for certain ones. So 20 years means Gen 4.1 holder or earlier?
Someone correct me I I am wrong, I hear CAC no longer allows non-stickered submissions to be returned without a submission fee attached anymore. So unless you are perfect in guessing what they accept, it could become costly.
Upgrade candidates: depends on each coin evaluated individually, price level and differential between MS66 and the next higher grade... a + or 67, etc
It has also been mentioned on this thread that luster is important to the upgrade game.
Tim
Most if not all have been in PCGS Gen 3.1 and earlier holders. Can't believe that its been that long ago. Just looked at the pop reports and holly cow, the number of P66 have increased by alot. It seems that P66 are very common. When I collected P66 weren't so common. Is it all grade inflation or just so many more came to market and got graded? This caught be by surprised.
PCGS fundamentally changed the way they graded the top end of WQs sometime shortly after the late 1990s. In 2000 the standards were the same as previous, so I'm thinking the 2001-2003 timeframe saw the standards change for MS66 and higher significantly.
Prior to 2001 a coin could have terrific color, great luster and very clean surfaces yet still be unofficially capped off at MS66, though they were also seen as MS67. After 2001, or thereabouts, those coins near universally went MS67 and even broke through the unofficial glass ceiling of MS68. Therefore, the populations for MS67 and MS68 went up many fold while the MS66 populations went up, in my opinion, because truckloads of otherwise unprofitable coins were submitted for the super gem grade as well as resubmissions in the hopes of MS68. Be aware, there were still plenty of "meh" coins submitted and graded in the 1990s that came back MS65 and even MS66 and these have little chance of an upgrade.
Bottom line, if its really attractively toned and has terrific luster then it might be undergraded when compared to how WQs have been evaluated by PCGS for the last two decades.
PCGS fundamentally changed the way they graded the top end of WQs sometime shortly after the late 1990s. In 2000 the standards were the same as previous, so I'm thinking the 2001-2003 timeframe saw the standards change for MS66 and higher significantly.
Prior to 2001 a coin could have terrific color, great luster and very clean surfaces yet still be unofficially capped off at MS66, though they were also seen as MS67. After 2001, or thereabouts, those coins near universally went MS67 and even broke through the unofficial glass ceiling of MS68. Therefore, the populations for MS67 and MS68 went up many fold while the MS66 populations went up, in my opinion, because truckloads of otherwise unprofitable coins were submitted for the super gem grade as well as resubmissions in the hopes of MS68. Be aware, there were still plenty of "meh" coins submitted and graded in the 1990s that came back MS65 and even MS66 and these have little chance of an upgrade.
Bottom line, if its really attractively toned and has terrific luster then it might be undergraded when compared to how WQs have been evaluated by PCGS for the last two decades.
Hi TomB- thank you for your helpful insight.At some point, i may have to look at my set to determine if I should resubmit the coins for a higher grade. Its an expensive ordeal but I guess it will be required.
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Here’s my 38-S. It’s not as fully or attractively toned as I’d like, but this issue seems scarce with nice color in any but the highest grades. MS66.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
I could use input on my 1940-S.
1) The lettering is flattened on both obverse and reverse around the rims. Grease-filled die?
2) It seems to match up with DDR-001 on Variety Vista. Looks closest to Stage C. I’m not a variety collector and I don’t see this listed on CoinFacts, so I assume this is a minor variety that doesn’t carry any additional value or demand?
Appreciate any thoughts.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
My kind of toning! I love it. I think you are right about the grease filled die.
My two recent returned submissions:
I just bought an entire roll of 1983-P quarters, they all look immaculate. Very minor contact marks.
I'll send the best one in, repost here in about, what, 3 months?
@erwindoc if you liked the toning on that 40-S, I think you’ll love this one.
Snagged this type B off eBay—it has one of the most attractive reverses I’ve seen in this series. The luster punches above grade while a few obverse pockmarks hold it to MS65. Some heavy die polish.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Love it!!!!
Population 666 in 66
This one has CAC endorsement for the grade and a brand new TrueView.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Newly imaged 1945-S in 66
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
This is my latest purchase. The rainbow colors show up better in hand than the Trueview.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
So how did the grades come out?
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@NorCalJack - soon, so 6 months?
OK keep us updated.
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This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
Bought this 1948 back in April, but here’s the new TV. It’s lustrous and has some nice pastel colors.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
I have a common date in 67 and trying to get it higher.
What would be the best route? crackout and try again, or regrade in holder and let them crackout?
I don't see an image in your thread, did you post one? Truly, that would be far, far better for us to go on than just words. In general, PCGS has historically valued luster, luster, luster on the MS68 grade in combination with fairly mark-free surfaces and some type of great skin (light color or great toning). Simply having an MS67 from a common grade ins't a recipe for maxing out upon regrade. Are you hoping for an MS67+ or do you really think this might pop MS68?
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
This is my latest purchase, 1950 S/D MS-66 CAC. Now I have 30 coins to complete my WQ Variety Set.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
I’m a sucker for absurd toners and this one is one of the wildest I’ve come across. It has some vibrant iridescence especially on the reverse, and while this one might not be everyone’s cup of tea, I think it’s a lot of fun for $50
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Reminds me of this one that I still own...
I have a number of quarters at PCGS for grading. When grades and Trueviews on these quarters pop I will post some of the nicer ones to this thread.
@erwindoc definitely a similar color palette—bright fuchsia, electric green, yellow and orange. I LOVE the variation in toning and color in this series. This one is not easy to photograph so I'm thankful for the TrueView.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
So I was lucky enough to win a 1948-S/S on Great Collections the other day. This is a very difficult variety to obtain. It is graded AU-58, but there are just a handful graded so very happy to add this to my set. I now have 29 coins to finish the 183 coin set.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
Here are some WQs that beaned in my CAC submission this month:
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Those are some very nice quarters!
Newly graded Washington Quarters. They are toned and the Trueview photos do not come close to showing the quarters as they look in hand.
SP67
SP67
SP67
PF66
PF67
PF67
Those are beauties!
What do you guys think of this one? Be honest
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Mint Set toned-looking, lower grade, touches of nice color, for a '62-D I personally would look for something with more luster if it were my collection. Type B?
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
It's not original US Mint Set toned since the mint sets that year came in plastic and were not housed in cardboard with paper covers. I like the splash of color at 4:00 on the obverse and corresponding area on the reverse, but I otherwise don't like the overall eye appeal very much.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Newly graded.
PF66
PF67
PF67
PF67CAM
PF67CAM
PF66CAM
PF68
PF66CAM
Finally, a1934 Medium Motto MS65 quarter
Color and luster would have turned out dramatically different if shot raw rather than through the slab. In most cases color is very tough to capture due to interference with slab glare.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
@sedulous @TomB @robec thanks for your honest thoughts and opinions.
It is an unusual coin. The areas where luster is muted are very muted, like a thick haze. The rainbow areas are fully lustrous, and the color is intense and bright. I’m as surprised that it’s in a 66 holder as that it has a CAC sticker.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
I have this in right now. Grade wise not the best. Color wise, better than most.
This is my latest addition to my registry set. Really happy to add this difficult variety to my set.
1936-P DDO FS-101
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
That 1936 WQ has spectacular skin! I love it.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
@OAKSTAR @NorCalJack
from rolled 1983-P original roll to a the best cherry picked from my limited grading abilities to the below listed MS64-MS66
I also sent in a 1944-S and a 1955-D
@AlanSki nice 1983-D !
Outstanding @bramn8r!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@bramn8r That is a nice roll of '83-P's. That is a fairly tough date and you did good pulling a 66. Thanks for sharing.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
looking for a new roll, 1983-P, soon. Let's see if I can find a 67.
Hi All - and happy holidays! over 20 years ago, I put together a gorgeous complete set of Washington from 1932 to 1964 with everyone grading p66 and above except for the 32D & S. Today, I had some free time, and I noticed the prices for P66 much lower. What should I do with the set. Many are toned. Never sent to CAC nor did I ever upgrade the coins. Personally, I like the set and never listed the set on the registry. Suggestions?
Opps - Forgot to include in my previous post, here is the only picture that I have of my Washington quarters - 1934-D - P66.
@EastonCollection So Easton, the coins are in older PCGS holders? OGH (Old Green Holder) PCGS-graded? or maybe not that old like those from the '90's. I have seen some collect specific holder types and willing to pay a premium for certain ones. So 20 years means Gen 4.1 holder or earlier?
Someone correct me I I am wrong, I hear CAC no longer allows non-stickered submissions to be returned without a submission fee attached anymore. So unless you are perfect in guessing what they accept, it could become costly.
Upgrade candidates: depends on each coin evaluated individually, price level and differential between MS66 and the next higher grade... a + or 67, etc
It has also been mentioned on this thread that luster is important to the upgrade game.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
There has been too much gradeflation in the series. Used to be only a handful of dates with MS68s. Now there are lots. As a result, it has driven down prices on 67s and your 66s. I would still advise you to enjoy them for what they are, nice quarters.
If you want to play the ugrade game, you of course can but it can get expensive!
Most if not all have been in PCGS Gen 3.1 and earlier holders. Can't believe that its been that long ago. Just looked at the pop reports and holly cow, the number of P66 have increased by alot. It seems that P66 are very common. When I collected P66 weren't so common. Is it all grade inflation or just so many more came to market and got graded? This caught be by surprised.
Howdy EC!
PCGS fundamentally changed the way they graded the top end of WQs sometime shortly after the late 1990s. In 2000 the standards were the same as previous, so I'm thinking the 2001-2003 timeframe saw the standards change for MS66 and higher significantly.
Prior to 2001 a coin could have terrific color, great luster and very clean surfaces yet still be unofficially capped off at MS66, though they were also seen as MS67. After 2001, or thereabouts, those coins near universally went MS67 and even broke through the unofficial glass ceiling of MS68. Therefore, the populations for MS67 and MS68 went up many fold while the MS66 populations went up, in my opinion, because truckloads of otherwise unprofitable coins were submitted for the super gem grade as well as resubmissions in the hopes of MS68. Be aware, there were still plenty of "meh" coins submitted and graded in the 1990s that came back MS65 and even MS66 and these have little chance of an upgrade.
Bottom line, if its really attractively toned and has terrific luster then it might be undergraded when compared to how WQs have been evaluated by PCGS for the last two decades.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Hi TomB- thank you for your helpful insight.At some point, i may have to look at my set to determine if I should resubmit the coins for a higher grade. Its an expensive ordeal but I guess it will be required.