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  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sparky64 said:
    Outstanding Proof 68-S @SanctionII !!
    Has a very pleasing look.
    Perhaps it was struck with my die?


    Wow

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2024 11:44AM

    @IkesT said:

    @SanctionII said:
    NorCal Jack and I have been discussing Proof 1968 S Quarter varieties, including how to determine if a coin is a Type E or a Type F Variety.

    I have this graded 1968 S Proof Quarter. Take and look at let me know if you think it is a regular 1968 S proof quarter, or if it is one of the Varieties (including a Type E or a Type F).

    That's a Type G reverse (RDV-007) quarter, which is the most common Type for 1968-S. Type G quarters are now regularly being misattributed as Type F by the TPG's, so watch out. If you learn to identify all 4 reverse types for the 1968-S, you'll never make this mistake.

    I'm writing a formal article on this subject to clear up the confusion, but in the meantime, you can check out my earliest posts on the Forum for some tips. ;)

  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT

    Thanks for the clarification. I would be interested in identifying the different Types on the 68 Proof. The E, F & G all have very small differences and any help you can provide would be appreciate.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2024 3:03PM

    @NorCalJack said:
    @IkesT

    Thanks for the clarification. I would be interested in identifying the different Types on the 68 Proof. The E, F & G all have very small differences and any help you can provide would be appreciate.

    The good news is that they are less hard to tell apart than you think. See the comments in the thread "ProofArtworkonCircs / Herbert Hicks. PCGS Now Recognizes his 1968 S Type F Washington Quarter." starting with the comment below:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12464328/#Comment_12464328

    Davewesen posted some information for me before I had posting privileges (I had only just applied to join the Forum at the time), and then I picked it up from there.

  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok since you are an expert with these. I bought a coin from Herbert Hicks that he told me was the type F. I had a few others and after he passed away pcgs started to do the Type F. I sent in this coin and after getting it back and posting someone said it was not the Type F.

    I sent the coin back to pcgs to get my money back and the coin out of that holder. After a month they sent the coin back still in this holder and still Wrong?

    So of course I still have that coin and noticed today this other coin in my inventory. Is this the Type F? I just know Herbert would have sent me the right coin and I just need to figure out where it is at. Thanks for your help.

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2024 10:37AM

    @1tommy said:

    Ok since you are an expert with these. I bought a coin from Herbert Hicks that he told me was the type F. I had a few others and after he passed away pcgs started to do the Type F. I sent in this coin and after getting it back and posting someone said it was not the Type F.

    I sent the coin back to pcgs to get my money back and the coin out of that holder. After a month they sent the coin back still in this holder and still Wrong?

    So of course I still have that coin and noticed today this other coin in my inventory. Is this the Type F? I just know Herbert would have sent me the right coin and I just need to figure out where it is at. Thanks for your help.

    Sorry to say that your neither of your TrueView coins are the Type F; the first coin is the common Type G, and the second coin is a Type H. Sorry to hear about the problem with misattribution as well; as I say, Type G quarters are frequently being misattributed as Type F, unfortunately. :/

    I agree that neither of these coins coins would be the one that Herbert sent you as a Type F. Herbert was a strong advocate of using the lower wing margins to confirm the reverse Type on the 1968-S quarters, and the first quarter is clearly a Type G due to the wall-like lower wing margins (like they were cut with a knife). The Type H reverse looks just like a Type B reverse in all respects, except with added tailfeather midveins.

    If you can find the quarter from Herbert, I'll be glad to confirm the reverse type for you.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2024 11:09AM

    After reading comments about 1968 S proof quarter varieties I thought I would post True View photos of two additional such quarters I have. Both are toned. Take a look and tell me what variety each of these quarters are.


  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2024 11:18AM

    @SanctionII said:
    After reading comments about 1968 S proof quarter varieties I thought I would post True View photos of two additional such quarters I have. Both are toned. Take a look and tell me what variety each of these quarters are.

    If you (or others) have read through the other thread I linked to, what reverse variety would you say they are and why?

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IkesT

    I will reread the other linked thread and give it a shot at decided what reverse variety the two coins are. :)

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2024 8:27PM

    Let's give this a try (open to all):

    To fix the misattribution problem, it should ideally be as quick and easy as possible for collectors and TPG's alike to tell the the different 1968-S varieties apart.

    To that end, here is a quick identification Key:

    Step 1

    Does the coin match A, B, or C? Let's use the first coin from @SanctionII as a test example. Does his coin match A, B, or C? Please post your choice as a comment. Once a choice has been made, that will either take us to a result or to Step 2.

    Our test coin from SanctionII:


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    A - Lower right wing margin low relief, slightly curved and fading at the bottom


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    B - Lower right wing margin sharply high relief, straight and not fading at the bottom


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    C - Lower right wing margin high relief (more gently sloping than B), curved and not fading at the bottom

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't be shy.

    Much better to be wrong on the Forum than to lose money on a misattributed coin!

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking at my coin and comparing it to the A, B and C photos, I choose B.

    Am I right or am I wrong? :)

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Looking at my coin and comparing it to the A, B and C photos, I choose B.

    Am I right or am I wrong? :)

    In choosing B, you have identified the coin as a Type G reverse, which is correct; congratulations! :)

  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2024 2:59PM

    Okay going back and reading old threads I see Herbert found my coin on ebay for 99 bucks and almost bought the coin and that is when I decided to buy it. Now just going back into my inventory I see this coin which is the 3rd one I had graded many years ago. Here is that picture. If not the type f is still hiding somewhere raw...thanks and looking at your 3 examples mine also looks like B

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=UayFm2yCHV8
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    Link to My Registry Set.

    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1tommy said:
    Okay going back and reading old threads I see Herbert found my coin on ebay for 99 bucks and almost bought the coin and that is when I decided to buy it. Now just going back into my inventory I see this coin which is the 3rd one I had graded many years ago. Here is that picture. If not the type f is still hiding somewhere raw...thanks

    Would you like to try running it through the key?

    Here's your coin:

  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:

    @1tommy said:
    Okay going back and reading old threads I see Herbert found my coin on ebay for 99 bucks and almost bought the coin and that is when I decided to buy it. Now just going back into my inventory I see this coin which is the 3rd one I had graded many years ago. Here is that picture. If not the type f is still hiding somewhere raw...thanks

    Would you like to try running it through the key?

    Here's your coin:

    Would you like to try running it through the key? what does this mean? It is not coin a and has the round wing to almost match coin C now looking again my wing is straight not curved so back to coin B ....

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    Link to My Registry Set.

    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1tommy said:
    thanks and looking at your 3 examples mine also looks like B

    Good job; that is correct, which also makes your coin a Type G. :)

    So, worth looking to see if you have a raw Type F stashed away somewhere.

  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2024 3:29PM

    @IkesT said:

    @1tommy said:
    thanks and looking at your 3 examples mine also looks like B

    Good job; that is correct, which also makes your coin a Type G. :)

    So, worth looking to see if you have a raw Type F stashed away somewhere.

    so is coin C the type F ?
    okay going to guess no that is the H so F is A?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=UayFm2yCHV8
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    Link to My Registry Set.

    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469

    Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1tommy said:

    @IkesT said:

    @1tommy said:
    thanks and looking at your 3 examples mine also looks like B

    Good job; that is correct, which also makes your coin a Type G. :)

    So, worth looking to see if you have a raw Type F stashed away somewhere.

    so is coin C the type F ?

    "C" is Type H. Choosing "A" will take you to Step 2, where you differentiate between Type E and Type F.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    After looking at my other toned 1968 S quarter, I assume it also matches B in IkesT's above post.

    Did I choose correctly?

    If so, then all three of my graded 1968 S quarters are Type G :'(

    That would leave me with having to take a close look at any raw examples of this coin that I have to hunt for the other less common reverse varieties.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1tommy

    Say that we had chosen "A". That brings us to Step 2

    Step 2

    Does the coin match A1 or A2? If A1, your coin is Type E; if A2, your coin is Type F.

    A1 - Wing margin fading out next to left leg, no master die doubling (see "Q" in "QUARTER")


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    A2 - Wing margin not fading out next to left leg, master die doubling (see "Q" in "QUARTER")

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    After looking at my other toned 1968 S quarter, I assume it also matches B in IkesT's above post.

    Did I choose correctly?

    If so, then all three of my graded 1968 S quarters are Type G :'(

    That would leave me with having to take a close look at any raw examples of this coin that I have to hunt for the other less common reverse varieties.

    Yes, you are correct.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What happens if one correctly chooses C in IkesT's post above?

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    What happens if one correctly chooses C in IkesT's post above?

    That means you have a Type H quarter, which is also relatively common (~20%+ of the mintage).

  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT

    That is the best explanation of the different types I have seen. Thanks for explaining that. Excellent post.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NorCalJack said:
    @IkesT

    That is the best explanation of the different types I have seen. Thanks for explaining that. Excellent post.

    Thank you very much; I really appreciate the feedback and am glad people are finding this helpful. Thank you to @1tommy and @SanctionII for participating, also; I'm very encouraged by the response to the key, and will definitely incorporate that as a central part of the article.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking through 8 raw 1968 S proof quarters tonight to see if any of them are anything other than run of the mill.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2024 8:19PM

    I looked through my 8 raw quarters.

    6 of them have Type G reverses and 2 of them have Type H reverses.

    Adding my three graded quarters gives me 9 Type G reverses and 2 Type H reverses.

    No DDO, DDR and/or RPM either.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,229 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going through CoinFacts and this one caught my eye as a MS68 top pop. I am thinking a mechanical error as it looks like a proof to me, but I could be wrong. Is there anything to suggest to you this could be a MS?

  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I was going through CoinFacts and this one caught my eye as a MS68 top pop. I am thinking a mechanical error as it looks like a proof to me, but I could be wrong. Is there anything to suggest to you this could be a MS?

    That is one clean looking 1964 quarter! Would be as good or better than a 68 in my mind, but Im not sure if its a proof coin. The strike is not quite what I would think a proof coin would be but the hair curls sure do look polished and reflective. The metal flow over the eagles feathers suggests MS to me.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say proof.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a proof 1964 WQ to me.

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  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A recent pick-up. Trying to finish-up my DANSCO.

    1940-D Washington Quarter NGC MS66


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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sedulous said:
    A recent pick-up. Trying to finish-up my DANSCO.

    Nice coin and a DDO to boot!

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking through my raw clad quarters two days ago resulted in me finding a 1968 D MS quarter that appears to be the DDR FS-801 variety.

  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:

    @sedulous said:
    A recent pick-up. Trying to finish-up my DANSCO.

    Nice coin and a DDO to boot!

    Thanks @IkesT! too bad it isn't the FS-101 though.

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 29, 2024 11:36AM

    @SanctionII said:
    Looking through my raw clad quarters two days ago resulted in me finding a 1968 D MS quarter that appears to be the DDR FS-801 variety.

    Better chance of being the DDR-002, especially if the coin is MS:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/920300/washington-quarter-registry-thread#latest

    The FS-801 has a much larger spread in the doubling and is rarer & more valuable:

    http://varietyvista.com/09b WQ Vol 2/DDR Detail Pages/1968DDDR001.htm

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IkesT

    I will take photos of both sides of the quarter and post them.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have tried for two days now to take cell phone photos of the 1968 D quarter that show the doubling on the reverse.

    No such luck as all photos, when I zoom in and crop them, become out of focus.

    Two examples are attached. The lack of clarity in the images is frustrating.

    I will send this coin to our host for grading and attribution.


  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 1, 2024 4:49PM

    @SanctionII said:
    I have tried for two days now to take cell phone photos of the 1968 D quarter that show the doubling on the reverse.

    No such luck as all photos, when I zoom in and crop them, become out of focus.

    Two examples are attached. The lack of clarity in the images is frustrating.

    I will send this coin to our host for grading and attribution.

    It's definitely not the FS-801, which is the only variety PCGS will attribute. The spread of the doubling on that variety is so large that you'd still be able to see it on your photo if it were there.

    You'd need a better photo to see the doubling on the DDO-002, but the mint mark position on your coin rules that one out anyway.

    If the doubling you're seeing is on "STATES", that looks like strike doubling:

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    After studying information about the FS-801 variety for the 1968 D quarter and looking much more closely to the coin I posted photos of I believe that it is unlikely that my coin is an FS-801 variety.

    However, it is very interesting. It has multiple areas on the reverse that make me scratch my head (is it merely strike doubling, or is it FS-802 or is it some other DDR?).

    The interesting features on the reverse of the quarter are:

    1. UNITED – There is slight doubling at the tops of the letter U and at the top of the inside portion of the bottom of the U. There is slight doubling at the top of the right side of the letter N. There is slight doubling on the top side of the slanted portion of the N running from the bottom right side diagonally up to the top left side. There is very slight doubling at the top of the I. There is slight doubling at the top of the T. There is slight doubling at the top of the three horizontal bars of the E. There is slight doubling at the top of the D and very slight doubling descending from the top left corner of the D down the left side of the D (about 15% down from the top). There is very slight doubling at the top of the bottom part of the D.

    2. STATES – There is strong doubling on the top portion of the first S that extends down to the middle point of the lower inside loop of the S. There is strong doubling at the top of the first T and down the left side of the vertical bar of the T. There is doubling along the outside of the left side of the A slanting from top to bottom. There is doubling at left side of the top of the second T and down the left side of the vertical bar of the T. There is doubling along the left side of the E. There is strong doubling on the top portion of the second S that extends down to the middle point of the lower inside loop of the S.

    3. OF – There is strong doubling on the left side of the O as it descends from top to bottom. There is strong doubling on the right side of and on the bottom of the inside portion of the O. There is slight doubling at the upper left corner of the F on the top of the F and on the left side of the F.

    4. AMERICA – There is doubling on the left side of the left leg of the first A descending from top to bottom. There is doubling on the left side of the M descending from top to bottom. There is doubling on the left side of the right leg of the M descending down the vertical portion of the leg. There is doubling on the left side of the E descending from the top to a point half way to the bottom. There is strong doubling on the left leg of the R descending from the top to the bottom. There is strong doubling on the left side of the right leg of the R. There is slight doubling of the bottom of the inside of the circle at the top of the R. There is strong doubling on the left side of the I descending from top to bottom. There is doubling on both the outside and on the inside edges of the C. There is slight doubling on the left side of the left leg of the second A descending from top to bottom. There is doubling on the top and right side of the inside portion of the A located between the lower left and lower right legs of the A.

    5. E PLUIBUS UNUM – There is strong doubling on the left sides of the E and of the P descending from top to bottom. There is doubling on the left side of the L descending from the top to about halfway to the bottom.

    6. Top of the Eagle’s left wing (the wing on the right as we look at the reverse of the coin) – Strong doubling is present on the outer edge of the wing descending from the top of the wing under the bottom of the right leg of the first A in AMERICA through the rounded corner of the wing and down the side of the wing to a point directly across from the bottom of the right light of the M in UNUM.

    7. Right side of the Eagle’s neck (the neck on the left side of the coin as we look at the reverse of the coin – Strong doubling along the side of the eagles neck commencing a little bit to the right of the Eagle’s beak and continuing down the neck to a point where the neck merges with the Eagle’s shoulder.

    8. Top of the Eagle’s right wing (the wing on the left as we look at the reverse of the coin) down to the bottom of the wing tip – Strong doubling along the entirety of the edge of the Eagle’s right wing.

    9. Leaves on the right side of the coin that are positioned in front of the Eagle’s lower left wing – Two leaves are located at the end of the branch and are positioned in front of the lower left wing. Of these two leaves the one on the left has strong doubling that descends from the tip of the leaf along the left side of the leaf to where it connects with the branch and then down the left side of the branch to the point where is connects with two other leaves.

    10. QUARTER – The Q shows strong doubling on the exterior and on the interior edge of the Q and on the lower edge of the tail of the Q. The U shows doubling on the left edges of the exterior leg and interior leg of the U and on the top inside of the bottom of the U. The A shows doubling on the There is slight doubling on the outside edge of the lower left leg of the A. There is doubling on the top and right side of the inside portion of the A located between the lower left and lower right legs of the A. There is strong doubling on the left leg of the first R descending from the top to the bottom. There is strong doubling on the left side of the right leg of the first R. There is doubling along the left side of the vertical leg of the T. There is doubling along the left side of the E. There is doubling on the left leg of the second R descending from the top to the bottom. There is doubling on the left side of the right leg of the second R.

    11. DOLLAR – There is doubling along the left side of the D. There is doubling on the right side of the edge on the inside of the D. There is doubling along portions of the outside of the O and along portions of the inside of the O. There is doubling along a portion of the left side of the first L.

    The above characteristics of the pictured quarter are a mixture of what appears to be strike doubling and what possibly appears to be a doubled die. Some of these locations look like Variety Vista photos of the FS-801 variety. Some of them do not.

    Next up will be to somehow take and post better photos of the coin that show the reverse of the coin in sharp focus.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2024 9:15PM

    @SanctionII said:
    Next up will be to somehow take and post better photos of the coin that show the reverse of the coin in sharp focus.

    A cheap USB microscope from Amazon will do the trick.

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bought the sometime during the first of the year. I’m pretty sure it belonged to someone here at one time.
    MS67+

  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My '68-S quarters... two G and one H. Struck out on having an F.


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  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New Purchase - 1934 DDO FS-101 MS-65

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrific luster on that 1934 DDO!

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