@SanctionII said:
NorCal Jack and I have been discussing Proof 1968 S Quarter varieties, including how to determine if a coin is a Type E or a Type F Variety.
I have this graded 1968 S Proof Quarter. Take and look at let me know if you think it is a regular 1968 S proof quarter, or if it is one of the Varieties (including a Type E or a Type F).
That's a Type G reverse (RDV-007) quarter, which is the most common Type for 1968-S. Type G quarters are now regularly being misattributed as Type F by the TPG's, so watch out. If you learn to identify all 4 reverse types for the 1968-S, you'll never make this mistake.
I'm writing a formal article on this subject to clear up the confusion, but in the meantime, you can check out my earliest posts on the Forum for some tips.
Thanks for the clarification. I would be interested in identifying the different Types on the 68 Proof. The E, F & G all have very small differences and any help you can provide would be appreciate.
Thanks for the clarification. I would be interested in identifying the different Types on the 68 Proof. The E, F & G all have very small differences and any help you can provide would be appreciate.
The good news is that they are less hard to tell apart than you think. See the comments in the thread "ProofArtworkonCircs / Herbert Hicks. PCGS Now Recognizes his 1968 S Type F Washington Quarter." starting with the comment below:
Davewesen posted some information for me before I had posting privileges (I had only just applied to join the Forum at the time), and then I picked it up from there.
Ok since you are an expert with these. I bought a coin from Herbert Hicks that he told me was the type F. I had a few others and after he passed away pcgs started to do the Type F. I sent in this coin and after getting it back and posting someone said it was not the Type F.
I sent the coin back to pcgs to get my money back and the coin out of that holder. After a month they sent the coin back still in this holder and still Wrong?
So of course I still have that coin and noticed today this other coin in my inventory. Is this the Type F? I just know Herbert would have sent me the right coin and I just need to figure out where it is at. Thanks for your help.
Ok since you are an expert with these. I bought a coin from Herbert Hicks that he told me was the type F. I had a few others and after he passed away pcgs started to do the Type F. I sent in this coin and after getting it back and posting someone said it was not the Type F.
I sent the coin back to pcgs to get my money back and the coin out of that holder. After a month they sent the coin back still in this holder and still Wrong?
So of course I still have that coin and noticed today this other coin in my inventory. Is this the Type F? I just know Herbert would have sent me the right coin and I just need to figure out where it is at. Thanks for your help.
Sorry to say that your neither of your TrueView coins are the Type F; the first coin is the common Type G, and the second coin is a Type H. Sorry to hear about the problem with misattribution as well; as I say, Type G quarters are frequently being misattributed as Type F, unfortunately.
I agree that neither of these coins coins would be the one that Herbert sent you as a Type F. Herbert was a strong advocate of using the lower wing margins to confirm the reverse Type on the 1968-S quarters, and the first quarter is clearly a Type G due to the wall-like lower wing margins (like they were cut with a knife). The Type H reverse looks just like a Type B reverse in all respects, except with added tailfeather midveins.
If you can find the quarter from Herbert, I'll be glad to confirm the reverse type for you.
After reading comments about 1968 S proof quarter varieties I thought I would post True View photos of two additional such quarters I have. Both are toned. Take a look and tell me what variety each of these quarters are.
@SanctionII said:
After reading comments about 1968 S proof quarter varieties I thought I would post True View photos of two additional such quarters I have. Both are toned. Take a look and tell me what variety each of these quarters are.
If you (or others) have read through the other thread I linked to, what reverse variety would you say they are and why?
To fix the misattribution problem, it should ideally be as quick and easy as possible for collectors and TPG's alike to tell the the different 1968-S varieties apart.
To that end, here is a quick identification Key:
Step 1
Does the coin match A, B, or C? Let's use the first coin from @SanctionII as a test example. Does his coin match A, B, or C? Please post your choice as a comment. Once a choice has been made, that will either take us to a result or to Step 2.
Our test coin from SanctionII:
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A - Lower right wing margin low relief, slightly curved and fading at the bottom
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B - Lower right wing margin sharply high relief, straight and not fading at the bottom
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C - Lower right wing margin high relief (more gently sloping than B), curved and not fading at the bottom
Okay going back and reading old threads I see Herbert found my coin on ebay for 99 bucks and almost bought the coin and that is when I decided to buy it. Now just going back into my inventory I see this coin which is the 3rd one I had graded many years ago. Here is that picture. If not the type f is still hiding somewhere raw...thanks and looking at your 3 examples mine also looks like B
@1tommy said:
Okay going back and reading old threads I see Herbert found my coin on ebay for 99 bucks and almost bought the coin and that is when I decided to buy it. Now just going back into my inventory I see this coin which is the 3rd one I had graded many years ago. Here is that picture. If not the type f is still hiding somewhere raw...thanks
@1tommy said:
Okay going back and reading old threads I see Herbert found my coin on ebay for 99 bucks and almost bought the coin and that is when I decided to buy it. Now just going back into my inventory I see this coin which is the 3rd one I had graded many years ago. Here is that picture. If not the type f is still hiding somewhere raw...thanks
Would you like to try running it through the key?
Here's your coin:
Would you like to try running it through the key? what does this mean? It is not coin a and has the round wing to almost match coin C now looking again my wing is straight not curved so back to coin B ....
That is the best explanation of the different types I have seen. Thanks for explaining that. Excellent post.
Thank you very much; I really appreciate the feedback and am glad people are finding this helpful. Thank you to @1tommy and @SanctionII for participating, also; I'm very encouraged by the response to the key, and will definitely incorporate that as a central part of the article.
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A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I'm writing a formal article on this subject to clear up the confusion, but in the meantime, you can check out my earliest posts on the Forum for some tips.
@IkesT
Thanks for the clarification. I would be interested in identifying the different Types on the 68 Proof. The E, F & G all have very small differences and any help you can provide would be appreciate.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
The good news is that they are less hard to tell apart than you think. See the comments in the thread "ProofArtworkonCircs / Herbert Hicks. PCGS Now Recognizes his 1968 S Type F Washington Quarter." starting with the comment below:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12464328/#Comment_12464328
Davewesen posted some information for me before I had posting privileges (I had only just applied to join the Forum at the time), and then I picked it up from there.
Ok since you are an expert with these. I bought a coin from Herbert Hicks that he told me was the type F. I had a few others and after he passed away pcgs started to do the Type F. I sent in this coin and after getting it back and posting someone said it was not the Type F.
I sent the coin back to pcgs to get my money back and the coin out of that holder. After a month they sent the coin back still in this holder and still Wrong?
So of course I still have that coin and noticed today this other coin in my inventory. Is this the Type F? I just know Herbert would have sent me the right coin and I just need to figure out where it is at. Thanks for your help.
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
Sorry to say that your neither of your TrueView coins are the Type F; the first coin is the common Type G, and the second coin is a Type H. Sorry to hear about the problem with misattribution as well; as I say, Type G quarters are frequently being misattributed as Type F, unfortunately.
I agree that neither of these coins coins would be the one that Herbert sent you as a Type F. Herbert was a strong advocate of using the lower wing margins to confirm the reverse Type on the 1968-S quarters, and the first quarter is clearly a Type G due to the wall-like lower wing margins (like they were cut with a knife). The Type H reverse looks just like a Type B reverse in all respects, except with added tailfeather midveins.
If you can find the quarter from Herbert, I'll be glad to confirm the reverse type for you.
After reading comments about 1968 S proof quarter varieties I thought I would post True View photos of two additional such quarters I have. Both are toned. Take a look and tell me what variety each of these quarters are.
If you (or others) have read through the other thread I linked to, what reverse variety would you say they are and why?
IkesT
I will reread the other linked thread and give it a shot at decided what reverse variety the two coins are.
Let's give this a try (open to all):
To fix the misattribution problem, it should ideally be as quick and easy as possible for collectors and TPG's alike to tell the the different 1968-S varieties apart.
To that end, here is a quick identification Key:
Step 1
Does the coin match A, B, or C? Let's use the first coin from @SanctionII as a test example. Does his coin match A, B, or C? Please post your choice as a comment. Once a choice has been made, that will either take us to a result or to Step 2.
Our test coin from SanctionII:
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A - Lower right wing margin low relief, slightly curved and fading at the bottom
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B - Lower right wing margin sharply high relief, straight and not fading at the bottom
.
.
C - Lower right wing margin high relief (more gently sloping than B), curved and not fading at the bottom
Don't be shy.
Much better to be wrong on the Forum than to lose money on a misattributed coin!
Looking at my coin and comparing it to the A, B and C photos, I choose B.
Am I right or am I wrong?
In choosing B, you have identified the coin as a Type G reverse, which is correct; congratulations!
Okay going back and reading old threads I see Herbert found my coin on ebay for 99 bucks and almost bought the coin and that is when I decided to buy it. Now just going back into my inventory I see this coin which is the 3rd one I had graded many years ago. Here is that picture. If not the type f is still hiding somewhere raw...thanks and looking at your 3 examples mine also looks like B
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
Would you like to try running it through the key?
Here's your coin:
Would you like to try running it through the key? what does this mean? It is not coin a and has the round wing to almost match coin C now looking again my wing is straight not curved so back to coin B ....
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
Good job; that is correct, which also makes your coin a Type G.
So, worth looking to see if you have a raw Type F stashed away somewhere.
so is coin C the type F ?
okay going to guess no that is the H so F is A?
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
"C" is Type H. Choosing "A" will take you to Step 2, where you differentiate between Type E and Type F.
After looking at my other toned 1968 S quarter, I assume it also matches B in IkesT's above post.
Did I choose correctly?
If so, then all three of my graded 1968 S quarters are Type G
That would leave me with having to take a close look at any raw examples of this coin that I have to hunt for the other less common reverse varieties.
@1tommy
Say that we had chosen "A". That brings us to Step 2
Step 2
Does the coin match A1 or A2? If A1, your coin is Type E; if A2, your coin is Type F.
A1 - Wing margin fading out next to left leg, no master die doubling (see "Q" in "QUARTER")
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A2 - Wing margin not fading out next to left leg, master die doubling (see "Q" in "QUARTER")
Yes, you are correct.
What happens if one correctly chooses C in IkesT's post above?
That means you have a Type H quarter, which is also relatively common (~20%+ of the mintage).
@IkesT
That is the best explanation of the different types I have seen. Thanks for explaining that. Excellent post.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
Thank you very much; I really appreciate the feedback and am glad people are finding this helpful. Thank you to @1tommy and @SanctionII for participating, also; I'm very encouraged by the response to the key, and will definitely incorporate that as a central part of the article.
Looking through 8 raw 1968 S proof quarters tonight to see if any of them are anything other than run of the mill.
I looked through my 8 raw quarters.
6 of them have Type G reverses and 2 of them have Type H reverses.
Adding my three graded quarters gives me 9 Type G reverses and 2 Type H reverses.
No DDO, DDR and/or RPM either.
And now a departure from the 1968-S, here's a SMS (new piece):
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
And the other two SMS coins I own:
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"