2023 peace dollar "one of 200" signed Willie Wonka golden ticket tracking thread - UPDATE!

derryb · July 17, 2023 9:57AM

Just received email from NGC saying that they will be doing nothing special with labels or encapsulation for these Willie Wonka certificates. Hopefully PCGS will soon confirm they are encapsulating the cert with a special label for the coin.

How many have received this special certificate with their coin(s)?

Also, tell us how many coins were in the mint sealed box. Be nice to know the mint didn't leave us little guys out of their bonus lottery.

Edited to add: Thanks to Goldbully here's PCGS's standing rule on certifying a coin with a certificate.

ricko · July 17, 2023 10:00AM

Another special for label collectors... Mint is getting in on this niche market. Cheers, RickO

MetroD · July 17, 2023 10:02AM

@derryb said:
How many have received this special certificate with their coin(s)?

Any guidance from PCGS or NGC on submitting these for a special label? Unfortunately you don't know you have one unless you unseal the mint shipping box. Good possibility that PCGS and NGC will require them to have been submitted in sealed mint box to be eligible for "200" label.

@PCGS_Moderator

Reference

derryb · July 17, 2023 11:44AM

@MetroD said:

@derryb said:
How many have received this special certificate with their coin(s)?

Any guidance from PCGS or NGC on submitting these for a special label? Unfortunately you don't know you have one unless you unseal the mint shipping box. Good possibility that PCGS and NGC will require them to have been submitted in sealed mint box to be eligible for "200" label.

@PCGS_Moderator

Reference

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Joe_360 · July 17, 2023 11:53AM

I have two Peace coins being delivered today, where is the certificate? Thanks

Aspie_Rocco · July 17, 2023 11:58AM

At least One forum member got one so far (not me)

@Joe_360 said:
I have two Peace coins being delivered today, where is the certificate? Thanks

Apparently tucked into the outer sleeve of an individual coin. Check out the 2023 Morgan and peace thread. A recipient got one tucked into their box like this

derryb · July 17, 2023 11:59AM

@Joe_360 said:
I have two Peace coins being delivered today, where is the certificate? Thanks

It would be in the sealed box, but if you open the sealed mint box, you may lose your chance for a special label till we get clarification from PCGs

gumby1234 · July 17, 2023 12:06PM

Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

Joe_360 · July 17, 2023 12:07PM

@Aspie_Rocco said:
At least One forum member got one so far (not me)

@Joe_360 said:
I have two Peace coins being delivered today, where is the certificate? Thanks

Apparently tucked into the outer sleeve of an individual coin. Check out the 2023 Morgan and peace thread. A recipient got one tucked into their box like this

Thanks!
That Theard is a bit too long for me... But good info from you.
Check out the 2023 Morgan and peace thread.

robec · July 17, 2023 12:16PM

@Joe_360 said:

@Aspie_Rocco said:
At least One forum member got one so far (not me)

@Joe_360 said:
I have two Peace coins being delivered today, where is the certificate? Thanks

Apparently tucked into the outer sleeve of an individual coin. Check out the 2023 Morgan and peace thread. A recipient got one tucked into their box like this

Thanks!
That Theard is a bit too long for me... But good info from you.
Check out the 2023 Morgan and peace thread.

It’s only long because most all of it was done before the coins shipped. Just go to the end and back up a couple of pages.

HATTRICK · July 17, 2023 12:18PM

Thanks for starting this thread. All posters please remember this is for the 200 Signed Certificates information only.

MetroD · July 17, 2023 12:27PM

@derryb said:

@MetroD said:

@derryb said:
How many have received this special certificate with their coin(s)?

Any guidance from PCGS or NGC on submitting these for a special label? Unfortunately you don't know you have one unless you unseal the mint shipping box. Good possibility that PCGS and NGC will require them to have been submitted in sealed mint box to be eligible for "200" label.

@PCGS_Moderator

Reference

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Unless I missed it, PCGS has not responded to any "Director's Strike" posts. Nor have they posted anything about this on their main website. (IIRC, the latter is the method they employed for 21XC.)

Just trying to 'tickle' PCGS on the issue. The telephone queue was full for the day, so I 'flagged' your thread.

My apologies if I offended you.

MetroD · July 17, 2023 12:37PM

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Joe_360 · July 17, 2023 12:48PM

Does anyone know if most of these 200" signed certificates are mostly from preorders??

JBK · July 17, 2023 1:01PM

@Joe_360 said:
Does anyone know if most of these 200" signed certificates are mostly from preorders??

As far as I know there isn't even any official acknowledgement of their existence yet.

fathom · July 17, 2023 1:30PM

What are they going to say? "Hey we inserted some neat signed postcards, try to tell the difference on the coin".?

Probably inserted this way to prevent a feeding frenzy.

gumby1234 · July 17, 2023 1:57PM

@MetroD said:

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.

robec · July 17, 2023 2:05PM

@gumby1234 said:

@MetroD said:

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.

It looks to me like it’s tucked securely into one box.

JBK · July 17, 2023 2:13PM

@gumby1234 said:

@MetroD said:

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.

There is a "congratulations" card that is tucked into the coin's sleeve, and there is also a special COA (different color and wording, handsigned) inside the coin's case.

gumby1234 · July 17, 2023 2:32PM

@JBK said:

@gumby1234 said:

@MetroD said:

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.

There is a "congratulations" card that is tucked into the coin's sleeve, and there is also a special COA (different color and wording, handsigned) inside the coin's case.

Yes, but they can both be removed and placed into a different coins box.

MetroD · July 17, 2023 2:40PM

@gumby1234 said:

@JBK said:

@gumby1234 said:

@MetroD said:

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.

There is a "congratulations" card that is tucked into the coin's sleeve, and there is also a special COA (different color and wording, handsigned) inside the coin's case.

Yes, but they can both be removed and placed into a different coins box.

Yep. Hence the probable 'sealed box' requirement for a PCGS attribution.

gumby1234 · July 17, 2023 2:40PM

Unless there is some way to differentiate the coins from one another the only way they could be certified is a sealed box sent to be graded. Other than that paying a premium is unwise. You would essentially be buying a signed certificate and COA that could go to any coin.

derryb · July 17, 2023 2:41PM

@MetroD said:

@derryb said:

@gumby1234 said:

@JBK said:

@gumby1234 said:

@MetroD said:

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.

There is a "congratulations" card that is tucked into the coin's sleeve, and there is also a special COA (different color and wording, handsigned) inside the coin's case.

Yes, but they can both be removed and placed into a different coins box.

I suspect, if submitted in a sealed box of many coins that PCGS will recognize the coin the the Golden Ticket is inserted to.

Goldbully · July 17, 2023 2:41PM

I got 194 of 200.....above images are my box of 12.

Open the box and there it is.

Comparison of the COA's.

gumby1234 · July 17, 2023 2:47PM

@Goldbully examine the coins closely to see if there are any differences.

JBK · July 17, 2023 3:05PM

@gumby1234 said:

@JBK said:

@gumby1234 said:

@MetroD said:

@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.

The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference

'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.

Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.

There is a "congratulations" card that is tucked into the coin's sleeve, and there is also a special COA (different color and wording, handsigned) inside the coin's case.

Yes, but they can both be removed and placed into a different coins box.

Yes, of course. But for what purpose?

As I posted elsewhere, the only reason would be to have an MS70 rather than a lower grade. I assume that's the reason for the TPGs' policy.

But as a special coin independent of grading, the paperwork provides the provenance. So, collectors who are interested in raw coins would presumably be fine with the arrangement.

I am still hoping someone can scrutinize the reading. The mint has the technology to use a collar with a missing reed.

fathom · July 17, 2023 3:27PM

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HATTRICK · July 17, 2023 5:02PM

The sealed box is tho only option for the coin and certificates to be certified together. Just common sense as the only way to prevent fraud

derryb · July 17, 2023 5:10PM

@HATTRICK said:
The sealed box is tho only option for the coin and certificates to be certified together. Just common sense as the only way to prevent fraud

So much for me sending in only the best looking coins. They all gotta go sight unseen.

JBK · July 17, 2023 6:15PM

The TPGs are loving this. Send in your entire unopened box to be graded just in case you got one of the 200.

Of course, many people were going to submit anyway.

HATTRICK · July 17, 2023 6:20PM

Open or Don't Open ? Take two shots of Jack Daniels and decide in the morning.

johnny010 · July 17, 2023 6:43PM

@JBK said:
The TPGs are loving this. Send in your entire unopened box to be graded just in case you got one of the 200.

Of course, many people were going to submit anyway.

So we can open the mint box just to see if we got the cert and still have these graded as FDOI and just leave the cert inside?

JWP · July 17, 2023 6:45PM

I've got sealed Peace Dollar boxes of 2, 1, &1 setting in my coin room. I haven't quite figured out what to do. Open them all and jut play rock/paper/scissors. I have 2 sold locally and had planned on keeping 1 and setting one sealed box aside and sell a set of 2023 issues. (ASE's w Proof and Unc and the S). and then add the 2 Peace and the 2 Morgans and of course the 2 Reverse Proof set to sell in November/December. This Willy Wonka Golden Ticket is a D**** if you open them or D**** if you don't.
There just has to be a secret back door to these boxes

Joe_360 · July 17, 2023 6:56PM

Have 2 boxes, tomorrow, I will post either way...

alaura22 · July 17, 2023 7:13PM

I'm sure that these will be available for sale very soon. Pick your number, any number is available. Buy 10 and receive 1 free.
Shipping might take a few weeks from China.
Act fast, Only $19.95 each + $5.00 shipping, combined shipping available
Prices are subject to change
Sorry, no returns

Bochiman · July 17, 2023 7:41PM

I got my usmint sealed box of 2 today.
I'm going to keep it sealed for awhile, unsubmitted.
I think I have COAs 1 0f 200 and 2 of 200 in there

Ownerofawheatiehorde · July 17, 2023 8:25PM

Wow, signed by Willy Wonka himself! Count me in!

JWP · July 18, 2023 6:34AM

Why did the mint not use this tactic/free gift as a sales promotion? Has the mint even publicly knowledge that these are included in some boxes?

Glen2022 · July 18, 2023 6:37AM

with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.

jwitten · July 18, 2023 6:46AM

@JBK said:

@Joe_360 said:
Does anyone know if most of these 200" signed certificates are mostly from preorders??

As far as I know there isn't even any official acknowledgement of their existence yet.

There’s pictures of them… why would you need “official” acknowledgement?

JWP · July 18, 2023 6:48AM

@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.

At least Willy Wonka let people know that 200 existed.

BStrauss3 · July 18, 2023 6:49AM

@derryb said:
Edited to add: Thanks to Goldbully here's PCGS's standing rule on certifying a coin with a certificate.

So if you open the box to see if you are a winner, you are a loser?

JBK · July 18, 2023 6:53AM

@jwitten said:

@JBK said:

@Joe_360 said:
Does anyone know if most of these 200" signed certificates are mostly from preorders??

As far as I know there isn't even any official acknowledgement of their existence yet.

There’s pictures of them… why would you need “official” acknowledgement?

Normally I'd expect them to confirm, announce, or otherwise publicize a special program. I was also hoping there was a distinction on the coin itself, which seems unlikely at this point.

Also, many of the questions people have been asking (including the one I was responding to) would give been answered by a mint press release.

pcgscacgold · July 18, 2023 7:04AM

This is a great idea and fun for the hobby. Too bad they didn't put something on the edge of the 200 to make them stand out.

robec · July 18, 2023 7:26AM

@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.

1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.

MetroD · July 18, 2023 7:42AM

@robec said:

@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.

1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.

Link

Joe_360 · July 18, 2023 7:48AM

I opened my 2 boxes, nothing special. I wonder if these will be selling on eBay?

robec · July 18, 2023 7:53AM

@MetroD said:

@robec said:

@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.

1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.

Link

I’m still hoping one of my 2 coming today will have one, but I’m not going to send the original box unopened for grading. The odds are too long. Lots of luck to those hoping to receive one.

MetroD · July 18, 2023 8:10AM

@JBK said:
Normally I'd expect them to confirm, announce, or otherwise publicize a special program. I'm was also hoping there was a distinction on the coin itself, which seems unlikely at thus point.

Also, many of the questions people have been asking (including the one I was responding to) would give been answered by a mint press release.

There is also the 'advance notice' aspect.

Not everyone reads this forum, and not everyone here immediately detected the revelation from @Goldbully on page #18 of the "official thread".

I am NOT saying that advance knowledge would have changed the unboxing plans for a majority of customers. Notwithstanding, I am confident that some customers would have taken the chance on submitting a sealed box, if they had known in a timely manner, due to the potential payoff. For example, @Rockdogz.

In the past, the Mint has announced signed COAs in advance. For example, 21XK. Failing to do so this time deprived some customers of the opportunity to pursue a PCGS certified COA, and the 'associated/potential' payoff.

JWP · July 18, 2023 8:26AM

The mint prefers to be reactive and not proactive. Why would they ever want to plan for success!

fathom · July 18, 2023 8:46AM

Savvy move by the Mint.

Pre- announcement of a limited certificate would create too much noise, speculation.

Disappointed customers creates discontent.

2023 peace dollar "one of 200" signed Willie Wonka golden ticket tracking thread - UPDATE!

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