@Rockdogz said:
Decided to list it. If it sells - great! I can buy some more coins. If it doesn't - great! It's a pretty neat item and I feel lucky to have one of my coins selected. https://www.ebay.com/itm/195895824999
Indeed a nice ROI Way to go!
You might want to clarify that it's #82 of 200 - to avoid any buyer disappointment - if they think they're getting #1.
He does provide a photo of the signed certificate showing it is number 082 of 200.
The surprise that a few customers of the U.S. Mint received, learning with the delivery of their long-awaited Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollar that one was specially struck, accompanied by a certificate of authenticity, has garnered mixed reactions in the collecting community.
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
The COA for each of the 200 coins was put into the box for the individual coin but not sealed in with the Gibson-struck coin in any way (a “Congratulations” card describing the coin’s origin was also tucked into the box). That fact and the fact that the coins are indistinguishable mean the certificate of authenticity is pointless. Mint customers who find one of the Gibson-struck coins in their delivery can easily switch the COA to go with a different coin. Once a coin leaves the Mint fulfillment center, the connection between coin and certificate of authenticity cannot be guaranteed. There is no inherent proof that a coin represented as one of the 200 Gibson-struck coins was actually struck by her, even if said coin is accompanied by one of the 200 COAs. Any careless or unscrupulous individual can switch coins with a COA.
A better approach would have been to make each of the 200 coins distinctive. The Mint could have struck the coins from an obverse or reverse die bearing a privy mark. The coins could have been struck from a special collar, one that was plain rather than reeded, or from a collar with a gap in the reeding like that found on recent American Eagle coins, both bullion and numismatic issues. Each coin’s edition number, from 1 to 200, could have been engraved into the edge gap. Such coins, like 2019 and 2020 America the Beautiful quarter dollars with privy marks and the W Mint mark, and special coins distributed with various annual sets, are popular with collectors today. Something, anything, could have made the 2023 Peace dollars even more special.
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I believe that it's all buttons these days when coins are "manually struck".
I struck a coin at the Royal Mint in England. I pressed a button from behind a plexiglass screen. But I got to take it home after having paid for the privilege.
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I believe that it's all buttons these days when coins are "manually struck".
I struck a coin at the Royal Mint in England. I pressed a button from behind a plexiglass screen. But I got to take it home after having paid for the privilege.
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I believe that it's all buttons these days when coins are "manually struck".
I struck a coin at the Royal Mint in England. I pressed a button from behind a plexiglass screen. But I got to take it home after having paid for the privilege.
Cool. Did you create a COA for it?
They popped it into a special folder with a description of what it was.
If I ever go back I'm going to see if I can brave the attendant to let me make an error. (I think the burning only allowed one press at a time).
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I’m sure a button was pushed and left on for a specific amount of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if several hundred to a few thousands were minted during that time, but only 200 were used for the signed certificates.
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I’m sure a button was pushed and left on for a specific amount of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if several hundred to a few thousands were minted during that time, but only 200 were used for the signed certificates.
What! So you're saying the process is automated, and no operator action is required for each coin? A coin with a mintage of 200,000 doesn't require 200,000 button pushes?
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I’m sure a button was pushed and left on for a specific amount of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if several hundred to a few thousands were minted during that time, but only 200 were used for the signed certificates.
What! So you're saying the process is automated, and no operator action is required for each coin? A coin with a mintage of 200,000 doesn't require 200,000 button pushes?
Not exactly what I’m saying, but you are correct. I’m only saying the director probably didn’t do exactly 200.
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I’m sure a button was pushed and left on for a specific amount of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if several hundred to a few thousands were minted during that time, but only 200 were used for the signed certificates.
What! So you're saying the process is automated, and no operator action is required for each coin? A coin with a mintage of 200,000 doesn't require 200,000 button pushes?
I'm assuming these are struck one at a time. If they were done on the automated high-speed presses they would be heavily "bag-marked".
I didn't open my boxes. (Have 12 Peace and 12 Morgan.) But put a note on my submission form to slab the COA if it a signed and numbered director's one. Not sure what else to do.
@Goldbully said:
This from Coin World online today....
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
I’m sure a button was pushed and left on for a specific amount of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if several hundred to a few thousands were minted during that time, but only 200 were used for the signed certificates.
What! So you're saying the process is automated, and no operator action is required for each coin? A coin with a mintage of 200,000 doesn't require 200,000 button pushes?
I'm assuming these are struck one at a time. If they were done on the automated high-speed presses they would be heavily "bag-marked".
No, the current presses at the San Fran mint have the capability to eject the coins into trays. Take a look at this video, from 2:00 to 2:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZMAY-53a-A
82/200 cert sold for $2700 on the bay and nobody here talking about it any longer. ????? no other certs found? no mad rush to buy sealed mint packages of these peace dollars? I thought there'd be a lot more interest/intrigue. what happened?
82/200 cert sold for $2700 on the bay and nobody here talking about it any longer. ????? no other certs found? no mad rush to buy sealed mint packages of these peace dollars? I thought there'd be a lot more interest/intrigue. what happened?
The one I saw sold for $2850. Which is an impressive for a COA.
Is PCGS labeling these if the sealed box is sent in and one happens to be found within? I have a sealed box of 5 and am debating opening it to try my luck at a golden ticket or subbing the box to PCGS.
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@grote15 said:
Is PCGS labeling these if the sealed box is sent in and one happens to be found within? I have a sealed box of 5 and am debating opening it to try my luck at a golden ticket or subbing the box to PCGS.
open and take the money and run
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I’m in a different camp. I reduced my subscriptions on the Morgan and Peace uncirculated dollars from five of each to one a few days before the cutoff. I have three of the 2021’s and am not in a hurry to open the one 2023 I received but in the event one of the TPG’s does decide to slab with the attribution of “Congratulations Peace” it will be well worth the risk.
I know the chances are slim to none but I don’t see the harm in holding out on what otherwise is an 85-135 dollar coin if it grades well.
Be interesting what the label says and what value the price guide eventually shows for it. Only price guide currently available is for David Hall signatures on Peace MS 70 @ $750.
added thanks to MetroD:
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Interesting, isn't FDOI for bulk submitters only? I would have thought the 200 COAs would have been allocated to non-bulk purchasers (accompanied only with complete mint packaging), but I guess that is not the case.
@ProofCollection said:
Interesting, isn't FDOI for bulk submitters only? I would have thought the 200 COAs would have been allocated to non-bulk purchasers, but I guess that is not the case.
I expect you will see a number of them.
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@ProofCollection said:
Interesting, isn't FDOI for bulk submitters only? I would have thought the 200 COAs would have been allocated to non-bulk purchasers (accompanied only with complete mint packaging), but I guess that is not the case.
@Danno44 said:
PCGS pop report shows 1 “Directors Strike” MS70 (sorry if posted elsewhere)
The 'Pop Report' currently shows two of them:
~ 1 x FS (926931);
~ and, 1 x FDOI (927084).
Not sure how that submitter knew he/she had the Director's Strike COA. PCGS must have alerted that submitter.
or PCGS automatically upgraded the label.
You're saying they saw the special COA and just upgraded the submission? They would have to alert the submitter because of the $25 up charge(Big Deal in this case). Am I not correct?
Apparently not. But one way or another, if you can get your coin slabbed as Congratulations 1 of 200 you are looking at a coin that will equal the 1995 W Pr in pricing.
guesses for first documented sale of certified MS70 director label?
I'll start with $8500
Be interesting to know if anyone with an order of three or less Peace dollars found the Director Cert in the box or did mint just stick one in larger orders only?
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@derryb said:
guesses for first documented sale of certified MS70 director label?
I'll start with $8500
Be interesting to know if anyone with an order of three or less Peace dollars found the Director Cert in the box or did mint just stick one in larger orders only?
@Rockdogz reported finding one in a box of two. Link
@gumby1234 said:
Weren't they all made at the same time do what is with FDOI? Wouldn't they all be FDOI in that case?
I think most coins are fully produced before they go on sale so in those cases every coin should be FDOI-eligible, technically. For some reason though there seems to be a value to knowing that a coin was either submitted immediately or submitted after 30 days but without looking at it first.
@gumby1234 said:
Weren't they all made at the same time do what is with FDOI? Wouldn't they all be FDOI in that case?
I think most coins are fully produced before they go on sale so in those cases every coin should be FDOI-eligible, technically. For some reason though there seems to be a value to knowing that a coin was either submitted immediately or submitted after 30 days but without looking at it first.
But these 200 director strike coins should have all been made at the same exact time.
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@gumby1234 said:
Weren't they all made at the same time do what is with FDOI? Wouldn't they all be FDOI in that case?
I think most coins are fully produced before they go on sale so in those cases every coin should be FDOI-eligible, technically. For some reason though there seems to be a value to knowing that a coin was either submitted immediately or submitted after 30 days but without looking at it first.
But these 200 director strike coins should have all been made at the same exact time.
The FDOI designation is not based on manufacturing 'timing/dates/order'.
@gumby1234 said:
Weren't they all made at the same time do what is with FDOI? Wouldn't they all be FDOI in that case?
I think most coins are fully produced before they go on sale so in those cases every coin should be FDOI-eligible, technically. For some reason though there seems to be a value to knowing that a coin was either submitted immediately or submitted after 30 days but without looking at it first.
But these 200 director strike coins should have all been made at the same exact time.
The FDOI designation is not based on manufacturing 'dates/order'.
OK but if one is certified FDOI shouldn't all 200 of them be?
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@gumby1234 said:
Weren't they all made at the same time do what is with FDOI? Wouldn't they all be FDOI in that case?
I think most coins are fully produced before they go on sale so in those cases every coin should be FDOI-eligible, technically. For some reason though there seems to be a value to knowing that a coin was either submitted immediately or submitted after 30 days but without looking at it first.
But these 200 director strike coins should have all been made at the same exact time.
The FDOI designation is not based on manufacturing 'dates/order'.
OK but if one is certified FDOI shouldn't all 200 of them be?
No. A specific Director's coin will be designated FDOI, if, and only if, it meets the FDOI criteria.
See my edited 10:16 PM post above for the FDOI criteria.
I guess it's time to send my sealed box of 5 to PCGS after all for a spin of the wheel!
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@BucketHead said:
Apparently not. But one way or another, if you can get your coin slabbed as Congratulations 1 of 200 you are looking at a coin that will equal the 1995 W Pr in pricing.
I highly doubt that they will be worth the same as a 95W Proof ASE. The 95W proof ASE was only available with the purchase of the gold set AND its not the same as the millions of other ASE of that year. These coins are exactly the same except they come with a COA that is different.
I would suggest to anybody that gets one whether they get it certified or not is to take the moneyed run as quickly as possible.
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@BucketHead said:
Apparently not. But one way or another, if you can get your coin slabbed as Congratulations 1 of 200 you are looking at a coin that will equal the 1995 W Pr in pricing.
I highly doubt that they will be worth the same as a 95W Proof ASE. The 95W proof ASE was only available with the purchase of the gold set AND its not the same as the millions of other ASE of that year. These coins are exactly the same except they come with a COA that is different.
I would suggest to anybody that gets one whether they get it certified or not is to take the moneyed run as quickly as possible.
Well these will be rarer but I don't see them being included in any registry sets so hard to say.
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He does provide a photo of the signed certificate showing it is number 082 of 200.
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MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Hoping for 69's, they're gonna be rare.
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This from Coin World online today....
The surprise that a few customers of the U.S. Mint received, learning with the delivery of their long-awaited Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollar that one was specially struck, accompanied by a certificate of authenticity, has garnered mixed reactions in the collecting community.
Mint Director Ventris Gibson personally struck 200 of the Uncirculated 2023 Peace dollars and then signed and numbered a certificate of authenticity for each coin. The 200 coins themselves, however, are indistinguishable from the other tens of thousands of identical examples of the product, and that lies at the heart of the negative reactions being voiced online at collector forums. (It should be noted that everything you read here is based on what collectors and dealers are reporting. We have bombarded the Mint with questions, but as of the close of this issue on July 19, no response had been received.)
The COA for each of the 200 coins was put into the box for the individual coin but not sealed in with the Gibson-struck coin in any way (a “Congratulations” card describing the coin’s origin was also tucked into the box). That fact and the fact that the coins are indistinguishable mean the certificate of authenticity is pointless. Mint customers who find one of the Gibson-struck coins in their delivery can easily switch the COA to go with a different coin. Once a coin leaves the Mint fulfillment center, the connection between coin and certificate of authenticity cannot be guaranteed. There is no inherent proof that a coin represented as one of the 200 Gibson-struck coins was actually struck by her, even if said coin is accompanied by one of the 200 COAs. Any careless or unscrupulous individual can switch coins with a COA.
A better approach would have been to make each of the 200 coins distinctive. The Mint could have struck the coins from an obverse or reverse die bearing a privy mark. The coins could have been struck from a special collar, one that was plain rather than reeded, or from a collar with a gap in the reeding like that found on recent American Eagle coins, both bullion and numismatic issues. Each coin’s edition number, from 1 to 200, could have been engraved into the edge gap. Such coins, like 2019 and 2020 America the Beautiful quarter dollars with privy marks and the W Mint mark, and special coins distributed with various annual sets, are popular with collectors today. Something, anything, could have made the 2023 Peace dollars even more special.
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Personally struck? Or pressed the button?
http://ProofCollection.Net
I believe that it's all buttons these days when coins are "manually struck".
I struck a coin at the Royal Mint in England. I pressed a button from behind a plexiglass screen. But I got to take it home after having paid for the privilege.
Cool. Did you create a COA for it?
http://ProofCollection.Net
The coin with certificate #82 on Ebay now has seven bids. latest is $1,518 + shipping
They popped it into a special folder with a description of what it was.
If I ever go back I'm going to see if I can brave the attendant to let me make an error. (I think the burning only allowed one press at a time).
I’m sure a button was pushed and left on for a specific amount of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if several hundred to a few thousands were minted during that time, but only 200 were used for the signed certificates.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
What! So you're saying the process is automated, and no operator action is required for each coin? A coin with a mintage of 200,000 doesn't require 200,000 button pushes?
http://ProofCollection.Net
Not exactly what I’m saying, but you are correct. I’m only saying the director probably didn’t do exactly 200.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
I'm assuming these are struck one at a time. If they were done on the automated high-speed presses they would be heavily "bag-marked".
Insane...................
I wonder when the ones from china will start showing up
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Danco Set
I didn't open my boxes. (Have 12 Peace and 12 Morgan.) But put a note on my submission form to slab the COA if it a signed and numbered director's one. Not sure what else to do.
I got one Morgan and one Peace. both had dings and marks and I had to return. Oh well.
http://ProofCollection.Net
No, the current presses at the San Fran mint have the capability to eject the coins into trays. Take a look at this video, from 2:00 to 2:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZMAY-53a-A
Coin Photographer.
They don't have to fake the coin now. Just the cardboard and paper inserts.
Insane is right. Congrats for selling it right away before people realize that the coin is exactly the same as all the others.
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82/200 cert sold for $2700 on the bay and nobody here talking about it any longer. ????? no other certs found? no mad rush to buy sealed mint packages of these peace dollars? I thought there'd be a lot more interest/intrigue. what happened?
The one I saw sold for $2850. Which is an impressive for a COA.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Is PCGS labeling these if the sealed box is sent in and one happens to be found within? I have a sealed box of 5 and am debating opening it to try my luck at a golden ticket or subbing the box to PCGS.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
open and take the money and run
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@Onedollarnohollar I have no interest in these. Others might. If I received one I would sell it immediately. Take the money and run.
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I’m in a different camp. I reduced my subscriptions on the Morgan and Peace uncirculated dollars from five of each to one a few days before the cutoff. I have three of the 2021’s and am not in a hurry to open the one 2023 I received but in the event one of the TPG’s does decide to slab with the attribution of “Congratulations Peace” it will be well worth the risk.
I know the chances are slim to none but I don’t see the harm in holding out on what otherwise is an 85-135 dollar coin if it grades well.
PCGS pop report shows 1 “Directors Strike” MS70 (sorry if posted elsewhere)
Be interesting what the label says and what value the price guide eventually shows for it. Only price guide currently available is for David Hall signatures on Peace MS 70 @ $750.
added thanks to MetroD:
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The 'Pop Report' currently shows two of them:
~ 1 x FS (926931);
~ and, 1 x FDOI (927084).
Moon Money !!!
Interesting, isn't FDOI for bulk submitters only? I would have thought the 200 COAs would have been allocated to non-bulk purchasers (accompanied only with complete mint packaging), but I guess that is not the case.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Not sure how that submitter knew he/she had the Director's Strike COA. PCGS must have alerted that submitter.
I expect you will see a number of them.
likely PCGS automatically upgraded the label at no charge. Submitter got two bonuses.
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Source: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13543522/#Comment_13543522
You're saying they saw the special COA and just upgraded the submission? They would have to alert the submitter because of the $25 up charge(Big Deal in this case). Am I not correct?
edited to ad: And the $20 COA slab charge.
Apparently not. But one way or another, if you can get your coin slabbed as Congratulations 1 of 200 you are looking at a coin that will equal the 1995 W Pr in pricing.
guesses for first documented sale of certified MS70 director label?
I'll start with $8500
Be interesting to know if anyone with an order of three or less Peace dollars found the Director Cert in the box or did mint just stick one in larger orders only?
Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.
@Rockdogz reported finding one in a box of two. Link
Meanwhile, I get to sit and stare at my Director's Strike COA and wonder.
Weren't they all made at the same time do what is with FDOI? Wouldn't they all be FDOI in that case?
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I have no idea what the PCGS standard will be for certification but I’m guessing that “Unopened Packaging “ will be a big part of the process.
I think most coins are fully produced before they go on sale so in those cases every coin should be FDOI-eligible, technically. For some reason though there seems to be a value to knowing that a coin was either submitted immediately or submitted after 30 days but without looking at it first.
http://ProofCollection.Net
But these 200 director strike coins should have all been made at the same exact time.
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The FDOI designation is not based on manufacturing 'timing/dates/order'.
Source: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13543522/#Comment_13543522
Edited - added "timing", and FDOI screenshot.
OK but if one is certified FDOI shouldn't all 200 of them be?
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No. A specific Director's coin will be designated FDOI, if, and only if, it meets the FDOI criteria.
See my edited 10:16 PM post above for the FDOI criteria.
Glad I don't chase all these inane labels.
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I guess it's time to send my sealed box of 5 to PCGS after all for a spin of the wheel!
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Yes, I've been waiting too. I have a box of 2 and a box of 3. It's a very long shot, but I think it could be worth it 😁
FDOI is a BS designation to separate fools from their money. To me the only worthwhile designation is 70 for condition.
I highly doubt that they will be worth the same as a 95W Proof ASE. The 95W proof ASE was only available with the purchase of the gold set AND its not the same as the millions of other ASE of that year. These coins are exactly the same except they come with a COA that is different.
I would suggest to anybody that gets one whether they get it certified or not is to take the moneyed run as quickly as possible.
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Well these will be rarer but I don't see them being included in any registry sets so hard to say.
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