Found a double struck bust half

KensCoins2287 · June 29, 2023 3:12PM

Just got this one in the mail today, and thought I’d share it here. I was pretty excited to find it and add it to my collection! I really like how you can see the eye from the original strike just below the mouth, and some of the letters from “e pluribus unum” in “states of”. Let me know what you think!

1madman · June 29, 2023 3:26PM

Really cool coin. Thought you might point out liberty has another eye just below her lips

Greenstang · June 29, 2023 3:26PM

I think your imagination is getting the best of you. If it was double struck, how would letters from the reverse get on the obverse. Also the complete coin would be showing, not just part of it.

KensCoins2287 · June 29, 2023 3:31PM

@Greenstang said:
I think your imagination is getting the best of you. If it was double struck, how would letters from the reverse get on the obverse. Also the complete coin would be showing, not just part of it.

I don’t follow…. The first strike is off centered, and both the letters I referred to are in the reverse…

CaptHenway · June 29, 2023 3:32PM

Nice double strike!

LukeMarshall · June 29, 2023 3:46PM

Awesome piece!

Steven59 · June 29, 2023 5:15PM

There's something there but I have no idea.

pursuitofliberty · June 29, 2023 5:31PM

Wonderful example Ken! Just fantastic!!

Way to go!!!

JRocco · June 29, 2023 5:41PM

Now that's not one you see often.
Great pick-up.

TennesseeDave · June 29, 2023 5:49PM

So, it's not attributed as double struck? Great catch. I found one raw many years ago on Ebay, that I eventually sold to a Bust Half collector.

KensCoins2287 · June 29, 2023 6:03PM

@TennesseeDave said:
So, it's not attributed as double struck? Great catch. I found one raw many years ago on Ebay, that I eventually sold to a Bust Half collector.

Yeah, it’s in a PCGS vf30 slab…bought it from a big dealer too, seems like someone would have seen it😳

may · June 29, 2023 8:45PM

Is it just me or does Liberty look like she’s holding in a fart?

Pnies20 · June 29, 2023 9:31PM

That is pretty awesome.

drddm · June 30, 2023 3:04AM

Sweet, congrats Ken!

Dave

Namvet69 · June 30, 2023 3:29AM

Nice find and rescue from obscurity. Peace Roy

BuffaloIronTail · June 30, 2023 5:17AM

It's not readily apparent. Once you see it, it really stands out.

Your coin is "Kool with a K".

Pete

NumisOxide · June 30, 2023 6:00AM

Awesome!!

jayPem · June 30, 2023 6:12AM

I love it.. I want it..😅

jayPem · June 30, 2023 6:14AM

@Greenstang said:
I think your imagination is getting the best of you. If it was double struck, how would letters from the reverse get on the obverse. Also the complete coin would be showing, not just part of it.

@CaptHenway said:
Nice double strike!

Oopsy! 😂

jmlanzaf · June 30, 2023 6:34AM

Why do the denticles in the hat look inverted?

tincup · June 30, 2023 6:34AM

AAAA++++.... nice find!

ricko · June 30, 2023 6:41AM

Now that is an impressive find.... Thanks for the great pictures. Cheers, RickO

Crypto · June 30, 2023 6:56AM

absolutely double struck, the line in the hat is the top of the previous hat too. The Eye by the lips is the best pick up point

CaptHenway · June 30, 2023 6:57AM

@KensCoins2287 said:

@TennesseeDave said:
So, it's not attributed as double struck? Great catch. I found one raw many years ago on Ebay, that I eventually sold to a Bust Half collector.

Yeah, it’s in a PCGS vf30 slab…bought it from a big dealer too, seems like someone would have seen it😳

The "YOU SUCK" Award Verification Tribunal will reach its verdict shortly.

logger7 · June 30, 2023 7:10AM

The Bust half experts in this hobby have got to be the most dedicated and research intensive group. Impressive.

TennesseeDave · June 30, 2023 7:17AM

If someone submitted that coin for grading but did not pay for the error service, would Pcgs attribute it as an error or not. I would assume the graders would have seen the error when it was graded.

Crypto · June 30, 2023 7:22AM

@TennesseeDave said:
If someone submitted that coin for grading but did not pay for the error service, would Pcgs attribute it as an error or not. I would assume the graders would have seen the error when it was graded.

I often wondered that, I can see them merely focusing on the fabric of the coin and not stopping to take in the nuance of a common(er) date VF CBH. Best part is it an almost perfect VF even if a few layers have been stripped by acetone sometime in the past. Really wholesome look

hchcoin · June 30, 2023 9:02AM

Very cool coin!

CaptHenway · June 30, 2023 9:06AM

@Crypto said:

@TennesseeDave said:
If someone submitted that coin for grading but did not pay for the error service, would Pcgs attribute it as an error or not. I would assume the graders would have seen the error when it was graded.

I often wondered that, I can see them merely focusing on the fabric of the coin and not stopping to take in the nuance of a common(er) date VF CBH. Best part is it an almost perfect VF even if a few layers have been stripped by acetone sometime in the past. Really wholesome look

Yeah, having run a grading room I would bet that the first grader just glanced at it, dismissed it in his head as just another common coin in nothing special grade, and graded it without looking at it.

That is how the very early ANACS (in Washington, D.C.) missed the 1959 wheat back cent that slipped through without being studied properly. I spoke with the Authenticator who did this while I was still at Coin World. He admitted that it just looked like another common coin, which they did get from time to time, and the date discrepancy never occurred to him.

lilolme · June 30, 2023 11:21AM

@TennesseeDave said:
If someone submitted that coin for grading but did not pay for the error service, would Pcgs attribute it as an error or not. I would assume the graders would have seen the error when it was graded.

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As best I know and can establish, the coin would not be attributed as an error if the error service was not selected. The pcgs form has a selection for errors and are given an error coin number (example E1234). I will note the the pcgs submission form does not seem to call out the error submission in the description text part of the form.

I do believe the graders would recognize the error and not consider it as damage under normal non-error grading but that is strictly an opinion and not known for fact by me.

Under the set registry it has some information on error usage. And I found the notice when pcgs was to start doing errors. The variety attribution is only similar as there are some varieties that pcgs will attribute without the variety service. These are established varieties and all other varieties would not be attributed unless the variety attribution was selected and paid for.

https://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees

https://www.pcgs.com/news/professional-coin-grading-service-pcgs-introduces-grading-and-authentication-pro

JBK · June 30, 2023 11:42AM

@jmlanzaf said:
Why do the denticles in the hat look inverted?

I was kind of hoping someone would weigh in on this.

wozymodo · June 30, 2023 12:18PM

@jmlanzaf said:
Why do the denticles in the hat look inverted?

Denticles discussed here ...

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1090003/double-struck-bust-half-or-clever-fabrication

CaptHenway · July 2, 2023 6:55AM

@CaptHenway said:

@KensCoins2287 said:

@TennesseeDave said:
So, it's not attributed as double struck? Great catch. I found one raw many years ago on Ebay, that I eventually sold to a Bust Half collector.

Yeah, it’s in a PCGS vf30 slab…bought it from a big dealer too, seems like someone would have seen it😳

The "YOU SUCK" Award Verification Tribunal will reach its verdict shortly.

In honor of your ability to spot an obvious error from a picture that a dealer and a TPG could not spot in hand, the Tribunal has awarded you a Silver "You Suck" Award! Congratulations!

KensCoins2287 · July 2, 2023 8:14AM

@CaptHenway said:
In honor of your ability to spot an obvious error from a picture that a dealer and a TPG could not spot in hand, the Tribunal has awarded you a Silver "You Suck" Award! Congratulations!

Thank you! I will cherish this award! 😂

jacrispies · July 2, 2023 4:30PM

Fantastic find Ken! I especially love your example because the double strike can be attributed on both the obverse and reverse. Many double struck halves with dentil tracks only show on one side from a severe misaligned die (side thought: I see dentil tracks on the obverse most of the time, perhaps that means the hammer die side usually has the dentil tracks of an off center double struck half). Not only that, but many details of the first strike are fortunately visible.

Regarding PCGS's supposed mistake, there is no way they missed the dentil tracks altogether. If they had deemed it as damage, then it would have detailed the coin like the example pictured below. Since the OP coin received a reasonable straight grade, the submitter must have not recognized the mistake and not paid for error attribution, convincing PCGS to not add the error on the label.

Link: https://www.eyeappealingcoins.com/1818-50c-capped-bust-half-dollar-pcgs-ms98-116991138.html

Might as well add the overlay to the thread for future reference if needed.

Pnies20 · July 2, 2023 5:33PM

That eye on the chin is just one of the coolest things I've seen on a bust half.

Some_of_it · July 2, 2023 6:12PM

Curious about the lines radiating up from the right leg. Is that also from the shield?

jacrispies · July 3, 2023 10:55AM

@Some_of_it said:
Curious about the lines radiating up from the right leg. Is that also from the shield?

From the overlay, the shield lines did not reach down to the eagle's legs. I do not see the extra lines you mentioned, but perhaps that is just with the design.

Found a double struck bust half

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