Ohtani or Judge for MVP?

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  • FirstBeard
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    Don't get me wrong, Judge is fantastic. He is just chasing lots of pitches.

  • craig44
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    its a good thing the MVP award is only voted on for the regular season. Judge has disappeared.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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  • 1982FootballWax
    1982FootballWax Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2022 6:47PM
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    Remind me how many AB's Ohtani or pitches thrown has had in this or any post season. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Lets see how he does when a game actually means something!

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  • brad31
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    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    Remind me how many AB's Ohtani or pitches thrown has had in this or any post season. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Lets see how he does when a game actually means something!

    The other side of that ridiculous argument is in Game 5 whomever pitched to Judge obviously couldn’t handle the pressure. He basically hit that HR off of a pitcher throwing up meatballs.

    I could take it so far as to say the first 4 games Judge showed himself to be someone who cannot handle the pressure. With 2 outs and nobody on he finally faced the one pitcher who couldn’t handle the pressure more than him and was in a low enough expectation AB that he succeeded.

    Great players are great players period. They are great on a random Wednesday and in October. Small sample sizes in baseball lead to mediocre heroes and GOATs that look like Mario Mendoza. If a player is lucky enough to play on great teams the sample size gets large enough to bring their stats to their ability.

    Judge is a great player and is so every time he is at the plate. If he struggles in the LCS he is a great player, if he hits a few bombs he is a great player.

  • craig44
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    @brad31 you got it, right there. teeny tiny sample sizes explain most terrible and fantastic playoff performances. I suppose there are that few that develop the yips like Knoblauch, but generally I agree

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  • FirstBeard
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    Judge is batting .167 in the postseason? 48% strikeout rate. MVP!

  • lahmejoon
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    @FirstBeard said:
    Judge is batting .167 in the postseason? 48% strikeout rate. MVP!

    LOL, you can pick out a six game stretch by virtually all MVP candidates and find a similarly futile stretch. Too small a sample size.

  • FirstBeard
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    I did not cherry-pick six random games. Those are his postseason stats. I know only the regular season matters in MVP voting, but if not making it to the postseason is a negative against Ohtani, batting worse than Zack Grenkie in the postseason should be a similar slight against Judge. ;)

  • lahmejoon
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    @FirstBeard said:
    I did not cherry-pick six random games. Those are his postseason stats. I know only the regular season matters in MVP voting, but if not making it to the postseason is a negative against Ohtani, batting worse than Zack Grenkie in the postseason should be a similar slight against Judge. ;)

    Which, at this point, is only 6 games. I'm sure at this point, you're just trolling, but I can point to how Ohtani started the season and ended the season and come up similarly futile stats. Ohtani still deserving, but is not going to win an MVP in a year where a player nearly hit for the triple crown, hitting 62 HRs.

  • FirstBeard
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    @lahmejoon said:

    @FirstBeard said:
    Ohtani still deserving, but is not going to win an MVP in a year where a player nearly hit for the triple crown, hitting 62 HRs.

    I agree - good point.

  • nam812
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    28 to 2.

  • 1982FootballWax
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    Aaron Judge, NYY: 28 (first), 2 (second) -- 410 points
    Shohei Ohtani, LAA: 2 (first), 28 (second) -- 280 points
    Yordan Alvarez, HOU: 22 (third), 8 (fourth) -- 232 points
    José Ramírez, CLE: 6 (third), 11 (fourth), 5 (fifth), 4 (sixth), 2 (seventh), 1 (eighth) -- 186 points

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  • 1982FootballWax
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    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    Aaron Judge, NYY: 28 (first), 2 (second) -- 410 points
    Shohei Ohtani, LAA: 2 (first), 28 (second) -- 280 points
    Yordan Alvarez, HOU: 22 (third), 8 (fourth) -- 232 points
    José Ramírez, CLE: 6 (third), 11 (fourth), 5 (fifth), 4 (sixth), 2 (seventh), 1 (eighth) -- 186 points

    uhm, how did Bobby Orr not win, place or show?

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  • FirstBeard
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    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    Aaron Judge, NYY: 28 (first), 2 (second) -- 410 points
    Shohei Ohtani, LAA: 2 (first), 28 (second) -- 280 points
    Yordan Alvarez, HOU: 22 (third), 8 (fourth) -- 232 points
    José Ramírez, CLE: 6 (third), 11 (fourth), 5 (fifth), 4 (sixth), 2 (seventh), 1 (eighth) -- 186 points

    uhm, how did Bobby Orr not win, place or show?

    Hahahaha. Nicely done.

  • Cakes
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    I have been posting because it seems like 90% of you wouldn't sign anyone over 30 that is a large man.> @FirstBeard said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    Aaron Judge, NYY: 28 (first), 2 (second) -- 410 points
    Shohei Ohtani, LAA: 2 (first), 28 (second) -- 280 points
    Yordan Alvarez, HOU: 22 (third), 8 (fourth) -- 232 points
    José Ramírez, CLE: 6 (third), 11 (fourth), 5 (fifth), 4 (sixth), 2 (seventh), 1 (eighth) -- 186 points

    uhm, how did Bobby Orr not win, place or show?

    Hahahaha. Nicely done.

    Orr would have won easily had it not been for injuries! :s

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  • 1982FootballWax
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    edited November 18, 2022 4:26PM
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    @Cakes said:
    I have been posting because it seems like 90% of you wouldn't sign anyone over 30 that is a large man.> @FirstBeard said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    Aaron Judge, NYY: 28 (first), 2 (second) -- 410 points
    Shohei Ohtani, LAA: 2 (first), 28 (second) -- 280 points
    Yordan Alvarez, HOU: 22 (third), 8 (fourth) -- 232 points
    José Ramírez, CLE: 6 (third), 11 (fourth), 5 (fifth), 4 (sixth), 2 (seventh), 1 (eighth) -- 186 points

    uhm, how did Bobby Orr not win, place or show?

    Hahahaha. Nicely done.

    Orr would have won easily had it not been for injuries! :s

    Reading that on my commuter train home I busted a gut so hard laughing other passengers probably figured I needed Thorazine.

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  • 1982FootballWax
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    @ArtVandelay said:
    It's not even close. Aaron Judge.

    At 28-2 in voting you were exactly right. A huge landslide.

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  • Cakes
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    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @Cakes said:
    I have been posting because it seems like 90% of you wouldn't sign anyone over 30 that is a large man.> @FirstBeard said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    Aaron Judge, NYY: 28 (first), 2 (second) -- 410 points
    Shohei Ohtani, LAA: 2 (first), 28 (second) -- 280 points
    Yordan Alvarez, HOU: 22 (third), 8 (fourth) -- 232 points
    José Ramírez, CLE: 6 (third), 11 (fourth), 5 (fifth), 4 (sixth), 2 (seventh), 1 (eighth) -- 186 points

    uhm, how did Bobby Orr not win, place or show?

    Hahahaha. Nicely done.

    Orr would have won easily had it not been for injuries! :s

    Reading that on my commuter train home I busted a gut so hard laughing other passengers probably figured I needed Thorazine.

    That's funny, I did the exact same thing when you first posted the Orr zing but I was in the office not on a train.

    Thank you for the good hearted laugh.

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