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Partrick 2021
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Anybody wondering what is in the Partrick 2021 sales:
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That's not just a collection, it's a masterpiece.
Wow!
+1 my oh my. its 1am now but i'll be revisiting this one.
Wow, so many great coins.
It seems like he never bothered to clear out the dups, so it's approaching a "hoard" on some issues,
like the St. Patrick's. Did he think it was St. Partrick?
[Edit to add:]
I looked a little deeper, reading the first article about him on the NBS site:
https://www.coinbooks.org/v23/esylum_v23n33a10.html
He did sell some of his dups in 1974, as the "Donald Groves Collection".
For those who don't want to scroll through 72 pages, here is a text list:
https://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/partrick/all/
Let's hope the NGC plastic and lack of CAC stickers keeps some of these affordable.
I wonder if there are unattributed varieties. He appeared to have a pine tree shilling set by Noe numbers.
Nice!
Wicked cool items I like
Absolutely amazing.... Anyone have a bio on the collector? Cheers, RickO
Update... googled him, very little information.... seems he, and his family are very private and keeping it so. Cheers, RickO
Auction schedule https://ha.com/information/donald-partrick-collection.s?type=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ngccoin.com%2Fgallery%2Fpartrick%2F%3Fpage%3D1
I imagine John at CRO is salivating.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Many phenomenal coins in this set. The best of the best of the early American colonies.
Amazing collection
Latin American Collection
Would be nice to find out how long it took him to put it together and the thought process.
Such an outstanding collection put together almost silently.
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
Some of these pieces are rare enough that I don't know how rare they are.
Has anyone made a short list of series where this collection contains all or nearly all known examples?
An all NGC collection of this size is not something I’m accustomed to seeing. I wonder how many will be sent to others for crossover?
What a sad commentary on the hobby many of the replies in this thread are, so many more worried about the plastic than what is in the plastic.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
I’m not worried in the slightest. Just curious. But I’ll also say that TPG plastic is the reality of the coin marketplace. TPGs were an eventuality and if they hadn’t happened the hobby probably would be a small fraction of what it is today.
I wonder how he got all of these past the wife? Was he ever questioned on another 1787 Draped Bust Left Connecticut Copper? I could use some tips from him!
That is an impressive set. A lot of time and love exhibited right there. Very impressive coins all the way through to the end.
I don't understand the reasoning behind having so many of one coin. A couple in different grades, I see that, but he was nuts over "trees" and NE's and plows......etc
However, I'm sure it will bring piles of cash when sold.
bob
If you want to start collecting colonial material, now would be the time.
I feel the same about Morgan dollar collectors 😉🙂
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
It is extremely unusual to see a collection of this magnitude in an all NGC collection. I think it is fair to comment on this and also question why the collector chose this path. Even your signature line says you never choose one brand of "plastic" exclusively. Its fair to wonder why this collector did the opposite of what your signature line suggests.
Couldn’t he have just bought them in any holder, and either crossed them, or had them graded at NGC? Doesn’t seem too tough to me.
It won’t matter when the entire collection is once through fresh at NGC. See the Newman results if you doubt that.
I remember the multiple NE Shillings from the 1st sale in 2015, when the rest of the collection was to follow, then delayed. Mr. Partrick loved coins.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
I stopped wondering why collectors chase plastic long ago, its a fools errand. It only seems unusual to you because its not your choice of plastic, otherwise you would not give the choice a second thought. I have no doubt that there is a reason why this path was chosen, and its not up to me or you or anyone to question it. Would you question or comment on the path if it was your singular choice of TPG instead of another?
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
i remember meeting Mr Partrick many years ago at a NY real estate convention when he talked about the state of NY real estate. After that talk, I again met him at a coin auction auction in NY a few years later. We talked a bit about coins, NY real estate and some small talk. Never knew the extent of his collection until it was offered in auction. Pretty special coin memory .
No one here mentioned Don Partrick
was the president of the ANS
for a period of time.
While he was collecting, all his coins were raw. Mr. Partrick never slabbed a single coin .
I also believe he never sold a single coin while he was collecting .
You question others choice of a TPG when it is exclusive to our host so Im not sure why you say "its not up to me or you or anyone to question it." (You bring up the issue of types of plastic in every post you make by the nature of your signature line) Any collector can collect how they want but when they sell it is fair on this forum to raise the issue that it is exclusively in NGC slabs. PCGS coins seem to generally bring more money and it is worth discussing why this seller went a different route.
A couple of comments. Don Partrick was buying coins long before the NGC or PCGS came around. As for the Connecticuts, his collection by die variety is about as complete as one could hope to put together. Many are finest known, and virtually all are Condition Census.
Dealing in Canadian and American coins and historical medals.
Or another Brasher Doubloon...
Wasn't Newman mostly CACed?
P.S. How did Laura's surgery go?
I agree with the coins matter more than the plastic, but given the PCGS premium is typically greater for many of these than average it does raise eyebrows. It makes you wonder if he was hoping to take advantage of grading that is a bit more liberal. If he doesn't submit these to CAC either, I'd bet this is the strategy.
I’m pretty sure CAC no longer accepts colonials but I also doubt the coins were submitted to NGC on the basis of more liberal grading.
Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage
What a treat! That's a very impressive collection. There are over a hundred 1652 Massachusetts Shillings!
Please read what I wrote before you post, I said "I stopped wondering why collectors chase plastic long ago". I don't question these choices anymore, I do get a chuckle at plastic followers because I find it funny that the plastic matters more to some than anything in the holder. But I don't really care at all its not my money so chase away. And now back on point I would think that as advanced as you seem to think you are; you would be able to figure out why it might be to the advantage financially to a collector when choosing one service over another, its a business decision. You must be aware that for large collections like this there are negotiations that take place.
And your not having a discussion its more like a mob rule thing. You won't be able to get the other side of the story (which could answer the question why), because the submitter is not here to state the reason. Instead as usual a few here will throw around a bunch of assumptions, guesses, sling mud and cry and whine about why anyone would do this because it is not the way they think it should be done.
When was the last time you submitted coins to NGC? How do you know that that service is grading liberally now? My experience with my last two submissions doesn't give me that impression. I understand that some of the market is firmly entrenched in thinking that one brand brings a higher price, which then helps that very thing to occur as a result of pressuring the market.
Since all we are doing is guessing it is possible that the submitter considers the choice of TPG to be the better choice for grading this type of material. Perhaps the submitter thinks that the material will speak for itself and the choice of plastic will not have a material affect on the end prices. Logistics could be a factor as this is a large number (and value) of coins. I can think of numerous reasons why this choice could make sense, but its unlikely that I nor anyone else here will ever know for certain why.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Keep your Brasher— these had me weak-kneed!
I forgot about that. Oops.
Earlier this year. And it doesn't matter whether NGC is tight now or not when it has a long history of grading coins like this more liberally. How do you discern between new submissions and a reholder of an older coin? I know dealers that have used that and any putative tightening to their advantage.
Doesn’t Heritage have a relationship with NGC? That might explain the holder selection.
Edit to add an old thread for context:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/803809/heritages-owns-30-of-ngc
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Amazing collection; 2 Albany church tokens, and a Gloucester XII , all those Pine trees, and some really cool double strikes. Think of all the time and perseverance to assemble that set!
The early dollars we’re like 50/50
Her surgery was uneventful but too early to know if a complete success
NGC has graded many whole collections that collectors trust have been graded properly. Their galleries include the vast and diverse Newman Collection.
Incidentally the fact that some of these coins get crossed to PCGS is nothing more than a marketing game played by complicit dealers such as Legend who state that some of those coins were not marketable in NGC holders. I suspect that meant the ones [they were handling] should be in PCGS plastic. Truth is the value of these coins was the same in either plastic even if the grade was intentionally more conservative by PCGS.
More on Donald Groves Partrick
Both firms have history's of grading that has fluctuated, that is why the market has long considered OGH, and rattler holders as almost automatic upgrade contenders. And both firms while more alike than dissimilar have slightly different criterial when grading. So its easy for someone that is devoted to one brand to make disparaging statements about the competition even if the opposite may be true. Yourself and others like Gazes like to constantly bring up the issue of price disparity, it is quite possible that that disparity exists because savvy dealers know that they can charge more for one brand because of collectors that are devoted to one brand rather than any grading issue.
At any rate this thread has been taken off course by a few that wish to bash and condemn someone for not doing what they would have done with regard to the choice of TPG. So lets get off this plastic rant and focus and discuss on what really matters the coins in this marvelous collection. After all this is a coin forum not a plastic forum.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
thank you VERY much.
i wondered if i were up to finding a way to even being to appreciate the scale of the many pages of what i was seeing. believe it or not, the text alone did just that!
just love a good hoard from time to time...