@taxmad said:
I cannot wrap my mind around someone paying $10K for a manufactured rarity...
Neither can I. Maybe you and a lot of other people will join me in wrapping our collective minds around this: If we think the market prices are too high, let the sellers keep them. I think it would be surprising how quickly prices would come down.
You still got time a few minutes left
$3350.00
2019-S $1 Silver Eagle Enhanced Reverse Proof PCGS PR70 - First Day Of Issue!
IN HAND READY TO SHIP! KEY DATE!
@Archemia said:
Is there anywhere to sell a graded coin? Feebay just seems too risky
Id also be interested in selling of ebay as they hit me with a selling restriction until i can prove I bought them from the manufacturer.. in this case i bought it off other people so thats going to be very difficult...
I have NGC 69/70s early release and PCGS 69s to sell.
The ONLY way I would buy an unopened box from a stranger is if they provided me a copy of the Mint shipping notice with a tracking number that could be matched to the box. Even then, that could be altered. I would MUCH rather just buy a coin that I could see....COA be dammed
MCM has 5 69's left at $1445 which now seems like a bargain
Being totally serious...absent a bot or being an established large dealer...tell me how this person landed 40?!?
Personally, I had an 80% failure rate (8 of 10 cancelled sales) going the BIN route on EBay...So unless this person tried to scoop up hundreds on eBay and ended up with 40...I’m not getting it?!?
@RichR said:
Hey Booger9989...you mean you didn’t just cut this guy...with no feedback...a check for $72,000?!?
Funny you!
Exactly. I had a few things listed including ASE. I seen the message and figured he was a scammer. If you look at the messages he/she is either young or doesn't know much English 🤷🏼♂️
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Yeah life is unfair; bots are everywhere. Even in the stock market, high frequency traders snipe millions from retail investors every year. It's just something us small fish need to live with
I got lots of skinny boxes from the mint. I can even stack them up and claim to own 40 of the coins. But I have a job and I am not into taking advantage of weak buyers .
@RichR said:
Being totally serious...absent a bot or being an established large dealer...tell me how this person landed 40?!?
Personally, I had an 80% failure rate (8 of 10 cancelled sales) going the BIN route on EBay...So unless this person tried to scoop up hundreds on eBay and ended up with 40...I’m not getting it?!?
Looks like a throw account but the boxes look correct but can be scammer also
@Kliao said:
The listing has been ended by the seller now but if you look, you can see one out of the shipping box to the right. What’s the deal with that!?!
Maybe L&C bought them all or maybe he is trolling here and seen he was busted?
There may never be a next one. Or none for weeks and then a few on one day in January.
So it is possible the mint could just hang up their SOLD OUT sign anytime without any further release?
Yep. That is what went on with the Apollo half dollar set. But if you look at the sales figures you could tell that it wasn’t going to get released again because it was at 2 below the product limit
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@RichR said:
Being totally serious...absent a bot or being an established large dealer...tell me how this person landed 40?!?
Personally, I had an 80% failure rate (8 of 10 cancelled sales) going the BIN route on EBay...So unless this person tried to scoop up hundreds on eBay and ended up with 40...I’m not getting it?!?
I ended up with 27 with no bots.
Someone on this forum had over 100 coworkers trying to buy them. No bots
It may be that the big dealers have been using bots for a long time, I have no proof. Initial investment is insignificant and can almost guarantee a quantity of coins purchased before release. Don’t fool yourselves that this idea just came up on this release.
Google “bot software for online purchases” and you can see that there is an entire industry for them.
Buying the software now! When in Rome do as the Romans! Enjoy!
Powerful software to assist ticket touts widely available online
This article is more than 3 years old
Despite renewed efforts to clean up the market for tickets in major events, it remains easy to purchase tools that defeat vendors’ security measures
Software that helps touts bypass the security systems of major ticketing companies and scoop up tickets at the expense of fans is easily available online – and even comes with YouTube videos to explain how to use it.
Scrutiny of ticketing firms and touts has reached fever pitch ahead of a government-backed report into the industry due to be published this week.
But efforts to clean up the market are being undermined by firms selling custom-made software designed to help touts get the tickets they want. One site, ticketbots.net, sells automated programs called “bots” that can search for and buy tickets from primary sites, such as Ticketmaster, as soon as they go on sale.
The website, registered in Panama, did not return emailed requests for comment. But when the Observer posed as a customer, staff at the website wrote back within a few hours offering a “bulk discount”. The company also boasted that it could bypass the Captcha security system used by sites such as Ticketmaster.
Captcha is a way of testing whether someone trying to buy a ticket is a human or a bot, for example by showing the user a gallery of pictures and asking them to place a tick next to all of those that depict, say, trees. But an employee of ticketbots.net said its bots were able to defeat this security protocol by enlisting real people to tick the right boxes. “Our softwares already bypasses these picture Captchas using 3rd party CAPTCHA bypassing companies, who types the Captchas for you,” ticketbots.net wrote in an email.
The website also offers a vast array of other tools designed to boost the amount of tickets that touts are able to scoop up.
One product description boasts: “In short, the bot grabs hundreds of tickets for multiple event simultaneously and let you choose cream tickets from them to buy with just a single click.”
Ticketbots.net even demonstrates how to use one of its bots in a YouTube video that shows how to get multiple tickets for comedian Kevin Hart at Wembley Arena.
And the website offers “PDF copiers”, which can be used to copy the unique barcode on a ticket to produce counterfeit copies.
According to ticketing expert Reg Walker, fraudsters can even copy the barcode from pictures that fans post on social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter. “Do not post pictures of your tickets on social media,” said Walker. “Someone will make a copy and when you go to the gig, you won’t be able to get in if they got there first.”
Other products on offer on ticketbots.net include “spinners”, which automatically flip purchased tickets on to secondary websites, where they can be sold at a large mark-up. Buyers can also pay for “drop checkers”, which automatically monitor ticketing sites for new events and pick up tickets automatically based on the users’ preferences.
Walker said that while the use of bots was not that common among UK touts, his ticket security firm, The Iridium Consultancy, had seen an increase in attacks from overseas.
Michael Waterson, an economics professor from the University of Warwick, is due to publish his recommendations on measures to improve the ticketing industry at the end of this week.
PR70 population now 1,152 now already 3 times the PCGS graded 70's of the 1995W and another thousand+ being graded.
PR69 732
PR68 6
I am waiting this helium balloon to deflate and expect to buy a PR70 for under $2,000 probably after Christmas.
I'm just hoping mine adds one more to the total. I'll take my chances on re-sale value. Historically low mintages seem to carry collectible weight over time. The '95 eagle is always going to be special and is a hall of fame issue. I think this one will be also.
... Historically low mintages seem to carry collectible weight over time. The '95 eagle is always going to be special and is a hall of fame issue. I think this one will be also.
Yes, the 2019-S ERP is always going to be special, as a hall of shame issue.
@jessewvu said:
It may be that the big dealers have been using bots for a long time, I have no proof. Initial investment is insignificant and can almost guarantee a quantity of coins purchased before release. Don’t fool yourselves that this idea just came up on this release.
Google “bot software for online purchases” and you can see that there is an entire industry for them.
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Neither can I. Maybe you and a lot of other people will join me in wrapping our collective minds around this: If we think the market prices are too high, let the sellers keep them. I think it would be surprising how quickly prices would come down.
You still got time a few minutes left
$3350.00
2019-S $1 Silver Eagle Enhanced Reverse Proof PCGS PR70 - First Day Of Issue!
IN HAND READY TO SHIP! KEY DATE!
If I had any of these, I would strike while the fire is hot. Who cares about what they will be worth in the future.
I would turn that ounce of silver into an ounce of gold like a magician 🎩
Is there anywhere to sell a graded coin? Feebay just seems too risky
Contact dealers. what grade? What service? What label?
Id also be interested in selling of ebay as they hit me with a selling restriction until i can prove I bought them from the manufacturer.. in this case i bought it off other people so thats going to be very difficult...
I have NGC 69/70s early release and PCGS 69s to sell.
Try in the BST
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No release today
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I am still wondering who the "end stage" purchasers are for these.....
Well, just Love coins, period.
Last seven sales raw AND unopened are right around $1800
Went to the Iowa City coin show yesterday, only one dealer had them and he had a sign posted that he was buying. $1,600 cash for sealed boxes.
The ONLY way I would buy an unopened box from a stranger is if they provided me a copy of the Mint shipping notice with a tracking number that could be matched to the box. Even then, that could be altered. I would MUCH rather just buy a coin that I could see....COA be dammed
MCM has 5 69's left at $1445 which now seems like a bargain
i sent two coins to PCGS for grading, one is a proof 69 and one is a PROOF 70. Thank God. HA!
WTF???
"I have 40 sealed boxes in hand..."
And this person has feedback for only 17 sold items! How is this possible...and are we sure those BOTS didn't work?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-S-American-Silver-Eagle-Enhanced-Reverse-Proof-Coin-19XE-UNOPENED-SEALED/274135424908?hash=item3fd3be9f8c:g:ODoAAOSwUxxd7oqh
Possibly he was the one with the bot
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Lets GET THE @#% @# A. #$@#!!!!!
He messaged me yesterday out of nowhere on ebay trying to sell me all 40 at 1800 each. I didn't pay him much attention
Being totally serious...absent a bot or being an established large dealer...tell me how this person landed 40?!?
Personally, I had an 80% failure rate (8 of 10 cancelled sales) going the BIN route on EBay...So unless this person tried to scoop up hundreds on eBay and ended up with 40...I’m not getting it?!?
Hey Booger9989...you mean you didn’t just cut this guy...with no feedback...a check for $72,000?!?
Funny you!
Exactly. I had a few things listed including ASE. I seen the message and figured he was a scammer. If you look at the messages he/she is either young or doesn't know much English 🤷🏼♂️
I would agree that being a scammer is likely...but that photo of a stack of appropriate looking shipping boxes looks pretty legit...which is pathetic!
Yeah life is unfair; bots are everywhere. Even in the stock market, high frequency traders snipe millions from retail investors every year. It's just something us small fish need to live with
I got lots of skinny boxes from the mint. I can even stack them up and claim to own 40 of the coins. But I have a job and I am not into taking advantage of weak buyers .
Looks like a throw account but the boxes look correct but can be scammer also
The listing has been ended by the seller now but if you look, you can see one out of the shipping box to the right. What’s the deal with that!?!
Young Numismatist/collector
75 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 45 members and counting!
instagram.com/klnumismatics
No release today
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Go back to bed
Maybe L&C bought them all or maybe he is trolling here and seen he was busted?
I know a guy that landed about 10 just asking people he didn't even know that well at his gym.
Don’t know when the next one will be.
So it is possible the mint could just hang up their SOLD OUT sign anytime without any further release?
At any time.
Yep. That is what went on with the Apollo half dollar set. But if you look at the sales figures you could tell that it wasn’t going to get released again because it was at 2 below the product limit
Young Numismatist/collector
75 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 45 members and counting!
instagram.com/klnumismatics
I ended up with 27 with no bots.
Someone on this forum had over 100 coworkers trying to buy them. No bots
It may be that the big dealers have been using bots for a long time, I have no proof. Initial investment is insignificant and can almost guarantee a quantity of coins purchased before release. Don’t fool yourselves that this idea just came up on this release.
Google “bot software for online purchases” and you can see that there is an entire industry for them.
I just looked on eBay and Pinehurst has raw for $1450 today with 10+ available. They also have NGC 69s for the same price
It's all about what the people want...
Cheap!
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75 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 45 members and counting!
instagram.com/klnumismatics
Might I ask how many accounts and pairs of hands that involved? To end up with 27...I'm assuming 50+ people...or likely more.
I'm also going to guess that your eBay account doesn't only show 17 total sales, including only 1 in the past 6 months.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/may/21/ticket-touts-powerful-software-assist-widely-available
Buying the software now! When in Rome do as the Romans! Enjoy!
Powerful software to assist ticket touts widely available online
This article is more than 3 years old
Despite renewed efforts to clean up the market for tickets in major events, it remains easy to purchase tools that defeat vendors’ security measures
Software that helps touts bypass the security systems of major ticketing companies and scoop up tickets at the expense of fans is easily available online – and even comes with YouTube videos to explain how to use it.
Scrutiny of ticketing firms and touts has reached fever pitch ahead of a government-backed report into the industry due to be published this week.
But efforts to clean up the market are being undermined by firms selling custom-made software designed to help touts get the tickets they want. One site, ticketbots.net, sells automated programs called “bots” that can search for and buy tickets from primary sites, such as Ticketmaster, as soon as they go on sale.
The website, registered in Panama, did not return emailed requests for comment. But when the Observer posed as a customer, staff at the website wrote back within a few hours offering a “bulk discount”. The company also boasted that it could bypass the Captcha security system used by sites such as Ticketmaster.
Captcha is a way of testing whether someone trying to buy a ticket is a human or a bot, for example by showing the user a gallery of pictures and asking them to place a tick next to all of those that depict, say, trees. But an employee of ticketbots.net said its bots were able to defeat this security protocol by enlisting real people to tick the right boxes. “Our softwares already bypasses these picture Captchas using 3rd party CAPTCHA bypassing companies, who types the Captchas for you,” ticketbots.net wrote in an email.
The website also offers a vast array of other tools designed to boost the amount of tickets that touts are able to scoop up.
One product description boasts: “In short, the bot grabs hundreds of tickets for multiple event simultaneously and let you choose cream tickets from them to buy with just a single click.”
Ticketbots.net even demonstrates how to use one of its bots in a YouTube video that shows how to get multiple tickets for comedian Kevin Hart at Wembley Arena.
And the website offers “PDF copiers”, which can be used to copy the unique barcode on a ticket to produce counterfeit copies.
According to ticketing expert Reg Walker, fraudsters can even copy the barcode from pictures that fans post on social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter. “Do not post pictures of your tickets on social media,” said Walker. “Someone will make a copy and when you go to the gig, you won’t be able to get in if they got there first.”
Other products on offer on ticketbots.net include “spinners”, which automatically flip purchased tickets on to secondary websites, where they can be sold at a large mark-up. Buyers can also pay for “drop checkers”, which automatically monitor ticketing sites for new events and pick up tickets automatically based on the users’ preferences.
Walker said that while the use of bots was not that common among UK touts, his ticket security firm, The Iridium Consultancy, had seen an increase in attacks from overseas.
Michael Waterson, an economics professor from the University of Warwick, is due to publish his recommendations on measures to improve the ticketing industry at the end of this week.
PR70 population now 1,152 now already 3 times the PCGS graded 70's of the 1995W and another thousand+ being graded.
PR69 732
PR68 6
I am waiting this helium balloon to deflate and expect to buy a PR70 for under $2,000 probably after Christmas.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
"PCGS PR70 population now 1,152"
I'm just hoping mine adds one more to the total. I'll take my chances on re-sale value. Historically low mintages seem to carry collectible weight over time. The '95 eagle is always going to be special and is a hall of fame issue. I think this one will be also.
Almost there!
"Almost there!"
Yeah, they're just across the street!
I'm here ...at PCGS grading stage "QA" .. getting excited to see my grade and COA #
I hope you do well it took mine 7 days to get out of QA finally got out yesterday waiting for the ship out today!
Yes, the 2019-S ERP is always going to be special, as a hall of shame issue.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
"I hope you do well it took mine 7 days to get out of QA finally got out yesterday waiting for the ship out today!"
Me too!
I would like to see a PR68.
"I would like to see a PR68."
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-2019-S-Enhanced-Reverse-Proof-1-American-Silver-Eagle-PCGS-PR68-FS/163975529038?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1431.l2649
no pic but they do exist
Good luck! Hopefully another golden ticket!
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How did everything turn out?
I don't know of one big dealer using a bot.