Can somebody please grade and value these 1835 and 1836 quarter eagles?
CoinCollectorJR
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TomB
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Those images are significantly better. I had hesitated to post previously because of how poor the other images were. In my opinion, these look authentic and are high grade, but might have been cleaned a bit in the past. They are definitely worth sending in for certification.
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Ronyahski
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The pictures are much better, but still hard to grade from, but here goes:
The 1835 looks MS. It is the weakest struck Classic Head quarter eagle in the series. You actually have a way above average strike for the date. I don't see any wear on it. The big long scratch in the lower left field could be a problem. Hard to tell from the pic if lustrous or dipped. MS 62 - 63.
The 1836 also looks MS. Looks more hairlined and scuffed. Again hard to tell if lustrous or not. MS 61 - 62.
Both are a common die pair, but that does not matter too much as to value.
Can you take a picture with a white background, and try to get whatever luster there is to show.
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CoinCollectorJR
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@Ronyahski said:
The pictures are much better, but still hard to grade from, but here goes:The 1835 looks MS. It is the weakest struck Classic Head quarter eagle in the series. You actually have a way above average strike for the date. I don't see any wear on it. The big long scratch in the lower left field could be a problem. Hard to tell from the pic if lustrous or dipped. MS 62 - 63.
The 1836 also looks MS. Looks more hairlined and scuffed. Again hard to tell if lustrous or not. MS 61 - 62.
Both are a common die pair, but that does not matter too much as to value.
Can you take a picture with a white background, and try to get whatever luster there is to show.
and yes, the scratch on the 1835 is a slight scratch, a little more than hairline, hoping it will not impact the grade...
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BillJones
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I would grade that 1835 as an AU-58 and the 1836 as an AU-55. All of this assumes that the surfaces have not been polished or messed with.
I have been collecting this series for the past couple of years, and most of the high grade examples have satin finishes not the semi-mirrors that are showing on these two pieces. The surfaces are probably okay, but the white balance on the photos and the need to see these coins in person makes it impossible to grade them with precision.
I would have an interest in the 1835 if it made it into PCGS plastic with a straight grade.
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ricko
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Nice gold coins... the pictures make them appear to have a shiny surface... almost polished... probably just the lighting etc.. Cheers, RickO
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You want for someone to offer a grade and value for these two coins?
Yes please
I can get better photos if you would like
Assuming they are authentic, I would say $1,500 each. They both look like they have UNC details. I think these would be good candidates for certification. Please post better pictures if you can
Ok, I will post better pictures ASAP
All pictures have been updated
would you have a price estimation? Wanting to know if I got a good deal
Retail: 1400-1500 on the 35
1500-1600 on the 36
bob:)
1835 looks unc and if not cleaned possibly ms62 (est $3500)
1836 looks au55-au58 apx $1400-$1600
But with the lighting I could easily be way off on unc vs circ
The lighting is probably weird, as I never take photos of coins and I took them on my iPhone7 camera...but thank you for feedback!!!
Thank you to everyone for the feedback you have provided! I will be sending these coins in for grading in the coming days, and will make a new thread when they come back!!!
Actually, the background is white...guess the strange lighting does make it seem brownish...
Can you tell us any more? Where did you get them? What was your price?? Nice coins!
I saved them from being melted at a jewelry store
There must be some really dumb people at that jewelry store.
I saved them from being melted at a jewelry store
Holy cow....assuming you then paid ~melt, you will likely score a "You Suck" award!
That was a nice save..... Congratulations, you did well.... Cheers, RickO
Not so for these two dates, especially the 1835 QE. Most coins have vivid luster with some showing proof-like surfaces.
(The posts here are not listed in the order posted???)
1835 then 1836
Just realized what you meant...never mind!
Stand by my original estimates (first provided without clear pictures)...$1,500 each.
Also, no I did not scam them and informed them of the true value of the coins...also, they are a jewelry shop...coins are not their focus...please no shade toward them
Wow! So what was the price paid.. melt?
If the coins were not messed with (cleaning/polishing), it would be between 58 and 62.
Good find.
Coins are being sent into grading tomorrow! I am hoping to get them back in 15-20 days...I will make a new thread with pictures of the coins...also hoping to sell them ASAP if anyone is interested!
I paid $166 a piece...knowing these prices, I don’t want to leave the jewelry store out to dry...what should I do???
If they are that dumb, that's on them.
Well, the coin section is like a little part of a display case in the back of the shop...I mean, they deal in expensive watches (Rolex’s) etc.
Hey you scored, they most likely made a profit and bought them for under melt. So just enjoy the score and let us know when the grades pop. good luck.
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Ok, I just don’t want to seem like a scumbag
Ok, I just don’t want to seem like a scumbag
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Coins like that don't just walk into a store without a serious collector at some point carefully buying them, storing them, probably sharing them with other collectors. The huge question here to me is who the heck dropped the ball on unloading them? A widow? Kids who inherited them? An original owner got ripped off or they were certified and got cracked out.
These coins came in with about $70,000 of other coins which included liberty double eagles and eagles that were sadly melted down.
WHY, melt them. they should have sold them as is for much more money??
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Maybe it was $7000...I think it was 7000
No it was 70.000
From another jewelry store I picked up a 1909-1940 penny album, only missing 09-s, 09-s vdb, 22 plain, and 31-s for $5...it had the everything else including the 14-d
From another jewelry store I picked up a 1909-1940 penny album, only missing 09-s, 09-s vdb, 22 plain, and 31-s
Unfortunately almost all of the 1835 quarter eagles I have seen over the past year have been cleaned. If that were not so, I would have had the date covered by now.
The whole thing sounds very fishy; either the seller dumped the lot because the jewelry shop offered cash or similarly favorable terms or the seller was scared away by another buyer who refused to do a deal without full record reporting requirements. A $70K sale of numismatic gold to a jewelry shop? Almost every few days we get reports of stolen items and gold coins are one of the thieves favorite mediums. It wouldn't hurt to notify your state's agency tasked with oversight of purchases like this. Also every state has a waiting period as far as I know so the cops can try to match up reports.
@CoinCollectorJR - you should tell them never to melt coins again and have them call you any time they get anything.
I feel bad for the people that they ripped off because of the store’s own ignorance.
Yeah, I think I might be wrong
Actually, I’m trying to start working there, in hopes of things like this never happening again...I know the people well enough for them to trust me, so I am going to try my best for these things to stop
What state is this place? I don't know any pawn or jewelry shop that would not try to maximize profits especially on a $70K transaction. And what is this thing about them melting the $20 gold coins down? Isn't that just based on their sending them out to a refiner? Don't you have waiting periods in your area where the authorities review pawn shop, etc. purchases?