What would you grade this 1884-S Morgan?
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MS62.
AU. Not even close to what's needed to get one of these graded Uncirculated.
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MS63
Looks 58 from the images. Nice coin.
Let's see, so far two members are at $1900 - $2300, one is at $9000 - $13,000, and one is at $35,000. What's it worth dealers?
Genuine.....or 58.
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63 was my first thought.
Luster does not look right.
Cleaned.
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I'm at AU-58 as well. At least that is what I am reading in the images.
I'd say 58 but that is heavily influenced by knowing that an 84-S is about 100 times more likely to be a 58 than a 62 or 63.
58 imo
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Looks 63 to me, possibly pl if it's there. Hard to tell from the images.
Wear on the devices, wear in the fields.
58 tops.
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In a lucky day, 58+
I would grade it too expensive for me to buy raw
I know that you are dreaming about a Mint State grading number, but it's an AU-58 because of minor rub in the obverse fields, especially on the left side in front of Ms. Liberty's face. Sorry.
The chances of getting lucking and receiving a slab Mint State grade are not good IMO. The graders know about the price jump for Mint State 1884-S dollar too, and don't give them out easily.
I agree that the coin should grade AU58.
Nice coin, just not technically uncirculated.
I think the hits on the eagle's breast will hold it back to 55.
55 or so; PCGS may be tougher than NGC.
Going with a straight grade I'll say it's graded 58. I have one very similar to this and the rub in the obverse fields is what holds it back. Graders are very strict on this date. If I am correct and it is a 58, save your money on trying to upgrade. JMO
Nice coin none the less.
I would say AU58
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@BillJones said: "...but it's an AU-58 because of minor rub in the obverse fields, especially on the left side in front of Ms. Liberty's face. Sorry. "
Bill, do you think that is "friction rub" in the field or just more of the hazy residue seen on the cheek to hide the rub and marks on the obverse. I am asking this as I did not realize the field is one of the first places to look for a loss of luster = AU.
IMHO, the fields on the reverse are fully lustrous with the only "discolored" surface due to loss of luster on the breast. Hard for me to imagine full field luster on one side and wear on much of the field on the other.
Nevermind, I guess I'm being picky with my question as I don't consider myself in your league. No matter, we both agree it is AU and thank for your lesson!
Luster looks off. Could you post more pictures at an angle?
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Looks semi-PL. Possibly has been slightly dipped before but surfaces don't look altered. That said, we're only going off of one set of images on a higher grade coin of a date that is notoriously played with to attempt deception of an even higher grade. Nice pieces are still out there raw though.
Scuffy cheek and field. AU58 at best.
Even with luster off. Pretty nice 84S for sure.
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AU55.... could go 58 in hand... the obverse will hold it back... Cheers, RickO
I would actually be happy with AU58. My concern was a genuine holder. Maybe I am being a little paranoid... I'm hoping for a straight grade.
I would need to send it off to have someone else image it. I sent this piece off to Shane a few years ago, and these were his images. My personal photography skills are lacking.
Thank you all! My first concern was that it might end up in a genuine holder because this is a date that is often played with by coin doctors. Since enough people think it has a good shot at AU58, I will submit it to our host and ask for True Views.
Au55 with PCGS, but I hope you get a 58!!!
Based on the images I'll wager 58.
I didn't realize it was graded. I think it is in an AU-55 slab.
If I worked at NGC or PCGS, I should send it to the next grader as an AU-53. If I owned the grading service, I should want it slabbed as either AU-50 or AU "details" Altered Surface.
That's not an ICG slab you're seeing, just a generic holder.
@cameonut2011 said: "That's not an ICG slab you're seeing, just a generic holder."
I didn't think it was ICG as their insert is different. I thought it was PCGS.
Nope. This was truly plucked from the wild.
Well prep it and send her in!
Let us know how it comes back.
Market grading system MS63...........subjective tough TPG 60. I have seen 84-s with rub go for $$$ over 63 money. At least they ask for $$ over 63 money.
If the graders do that, it will be a huge departure from the past.
MS60
Don't quote me on that.
That looks very much like an 84-S I saw recently. In fact I'm wondering if it's the same time. In hand, just like in the picture, it looked AU-58.
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As others have hinted at, I'd like to see this one in hand just to see what that schmutzy stuff is on the cheek and over the obverse fields. I'm "feeling" the reverse, that's nice. Depending on that smudging cra-, I would go 58 probably. If it cleaned off and the cheek was better than I suspect, maybe 60/1.
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