When done go after the coin docs with the same energy.
I just went to the link and read the postings. I would not have even brought this up. I doubt any real collector would think any of that is true about Legend and Laura. I am not a huge Legend fan and i can tell this is all BS. I would have just handled it behind the scene. I would think someone you guys know or have done business with would know how to tract the idiot down.
Mark NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!! working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
For what its worth...it does not damage my view of her reputation at all. Completely ineffective at doing that.
I suspect that nobody in the targeted CU member audience has been swayed. Sour grapes looks like sour grapes and it's pretty obvious here. I'm sure this does not make you any less angry. But I cannot say this was a very effective Well Orchestrated Promotion.
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Terrible to read this attack on an honest person in our hobby.
Unfortunately, not very surprising. Laura/Legend efforts against the fraud of coin doctoring to enable surreptitious sales or deceptive profit by unknowing coin buyers produced a backlash – likely by those profiting by the acts called into question.
What is surprising is the number of posters here, on a chat board – one dedicated to coins with a strong money/finance slant – who have never heard of Ripoff Report.
The site is an older one and has attracted much attention, at times ground zero, for questions (and legal decisions) regarding anonymously posting about or purporting fraud; concerns on libel/slander; electronic reputation protections, etc. – the thorny road of life on the superinformation highway.
Not a fly by night site, it has legs and a long and deep reputation; both good and bad.
For some background and backstory, and potentially some helpful information for those who consider what types of action could/should be taken against the website – I offer that the website of RipoffReport founder, Ed, is as an interesting site to glean some insight into the history and practical considerations regarding what could/should be stated on the site, what should remain, ramifications and case history. Not an endorsement nor a defense of his site, ripoff or any of the content - just a germane potential perspective for those who have never considered these topics before.
and it does not help that hushmail is in Canada, but libel is against their ToS. Peer1 is their provider that is a Canada company, and I wonder if pressure can be put on them over hushmail's lack of actions on P1-ToS violations that they could be passing through P1's systems.
I got an email today from coinb101@hush.com to jrocco42@aol.com. The message was "Do you know any think about Laura Sperber of Legend? I was thinking of buying one of her coins then I saw this article online saying she might be involved in money laundering is this true?" it has the ripoffreport link. I just deleted it. I knew it to be false, but I didn't want to reply, for obvious reasons.
<< <i>I received it as well. The routing headers look similar to to those posted by jfoot13. >>
In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
Yup >>
chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>I got an email today from coinb101@hush.com to jrocco42@aol.com. The message was "Do you know any think about Laura Sperber of Legend? I was thinking of buying one of her coins then I saw this article online saying she might be involved in money laundering is this true?" it has the ripoffreport link. I just deleted it. I knew it to be false, but I didn't want to reply, for obvious reasons. >>
I got the same forwarded email, from an unknown party. It was so outrageous, it's hard to believe. I only asked two friends about this, and neither had heard of this accusation.
I have bought a few coins over the years from Ms. Sperber but read her monthly reports regularly. The truth always prevails.
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I join the many in hoping your justified legal intervention produces rapid and thorough success. My entire life it has always been very rewarding to see what happens when a bully picks on the wrong person.
<< <i>I doubt if this accusation will have any affect on current or prospective customer of Laura. >>
The problem is that a potential new customer who wants to do business with Laura may google her name and this site may come up which could dissuade them from giving her their business. Let's not forget that a dealer's good reputation is his/her most valuable asset.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
TDN, I received the email as well. It was addressed to an obsolete email address I had failed to update in my profile here on the boards. This is the only place in which that email links me with the hobby. I hope that is useful.
Don
Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>I received it as well. The routing headers look similar to to those posted by jfoot13. >>
In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
Yup >>
chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions. >>
You assumed correct.... I get an uneasy feeling when I see feathers smell tar and hear my name mentioned
If you can't swim you better stay in the boat.......
<< <i>I received it as well. The routing headers look similar to to those posted by jfoot13. >>
In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
Yup >>
chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions. >>
Laura Sperber from Legend Numismatics was indicted on charges of racketeering and money laundering on Monday. A grand jury handed down the indictment Monday afternoon. This capped a year long investigation in to her alleged criminal activity helping many well-known organized crime family launder money through the front of coin collecting. She is a well known loud mouthed PCGS coin dealer.
Even if this were true, I can't see many people caring. In this hobby/business, all anyone cares about is that the dealer's word is good, the coins are good, and the checks are good. Yes, even if the dealer is "loud mouthed".
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I found the ripoff report a year ago when I was getting screwed out of a deposit on a used car which was significantly misrepresented. I found that out by doing some digging after the fact at GM Warranty customer service. The CarFax and AutoCheck only showed a fraction of the problems this car had previously had. Because the BBB wasn't responding to my request I went to several of the leading on line complaint sites to tell my story. RipOffReport was one of them. I figured my money was gone for good. It took 3 months for the dealership to finally figure things out (and fire the sales manager and salesman in the process) and refund my money. I later updated my ROR complaint to say that it had been resolved. But, I was surprised to find that it couldn't be deleted.
<< <i>I received it as well. The routing headers look similar to to those posted by jfoot13. >>
In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
Yup >>
chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions. >>
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I hope jfoot knows it is just an inside joke. >>
I didn't, my apologies
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
agree with other comments -- it's disturbing that someone can do this and that this "ripoff report" site won't take it down unless you pay them a couple grand for arbitration.
my only insight here, as a practicing litigation attorney, is that unless the bad guy has some assets, you're going to end up spending a lot of money on a lawsuit and may never see it again. it may be some kid out there or some deranged person with no assets who posted it.
"Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
It's hard to believe someone can run a site like that with complete immunity. I was hoping one of the lawyers on the board could find a way to put a butt whuppin on him.
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When done go after the coin docs with the same energy.
I just went to the link and read the postings. I would not have even brought this up. I doubt any real collector would think any of that is true about Legend and Laura. I am not a huge Legend fan and i can tell this is all BS. I would have just handled it behind the scene. I would think someone you guys know or have done business with would know how to tract the idiot down.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
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I wonder if the attention here assisted in causing that?
peacockcoins
I suspect that nobody in the targeted CU member audience has been swayed.
Sour grapes looks like sour grapes and it's pretty obvious here.
I'm sure this does not make you any less angry.
But I cannot say this was a very effective Well Orchestrated Promotion.
<< <i>Wow! The Ripoff link Legend Numismatics just hit front page in Google search.
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I wonder if the attention here assisted in causing that? >>
Really?
What search term are you using to get such a result?
FWIW, Hushmail is run out of Canada, and has responded to subpoenas in the past.
In other words, Ripoffreport.com IS a ripoff and total scam.
I still don't know how they continue to exist with the way they run their "business".
<< <i>I received it as well. The routing headers look similar to to those posted by jfoot13. >>
In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13.
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<< <i>I received it as well. The routing headers look similar to to those posted by jfoot13. >>
In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
Great! Go get um....
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<< <i>How does a lawsuit get filed without an opposing party? >>
John Doe
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In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
I hope I'm the likely identity of jfoot13 LOL why are you googleing me?
<< <i>One of many sites regarding the business of extortion that RipoffReport.com runs >>
Millions for defense, not one penny for tribute...
Unfortunately, not very surprising. Laura/Legend efforts against the fraud of coin doctoring to enable surreptitious sales or deceptive profit by unknowing coin buyers produced a backlash – likely by those profiting by the acts called into question.
What is surprising is the number of posters here, on a chat board – one dedicated to coins with a strong money/finance slant – who have never heard of Ripoff Report.
The site is an older one and has attracted much attention, at times ground zero, for questions (and legal decisions) regarding anonymously posting about or purporting fraud; concerns on libel/slander; electronic reputation protections, etc. – the thorny road of life on the superinformation highway.
Not a fly by night site, it has legs and a long and deep reputation; both good and bad.
For some background and backstory, and potentially some helpful information for those who consider what types of action could/should be taken against the website – I offer that the website of RipoffReport founder, Ed, is as an interesting site to glean some insight into the history and practical considerations regarding what could/should be stated on the site, what should remain, ramifications and case history. Not an endorsement nor a defense of his site, ripoff or any of the content - just a germane potential perspective for those who have never considered these topics before.
http://www.edmagedson.com/
Hope you find that helpful.
fwiw
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In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
Yup
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CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
my CU e-mail received no hushmail spam.
seconds is more like it.
and it does not help that hushmail is in Canada, but libel is against their ToS.
Peer1 is their provider that is a Canada company, and I wonder if pressure can be put on them over hushmail's lack of actions on P1-ToS violations that they could be passing through P1's systems.
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In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
Yup >>
chatboard weenie!
I am sure that good legal counsel will be able to get to the bottom of this and that Laura will have her day in court.
I doubt if this accusation will have any affect on current or prospective customer of Laura.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
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Why this link doesn't work is beyond me. Anyone else?
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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I wish I knew who it was. I need the $20,000. Fry 'em.
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In a couple minutes on google I was able to determine the likely identity of jfoot13. >>
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chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>I got an email today from coinb101@hush.com to jrocco42@aol.com. The message was "Do you know any think about Laura Sperber of Legend? I was thinking of buying one of her coins then I saw this article online saying she might be involved in money laundering is this true?" it has the ripoffreport link. I just deleted it. I knew it to be false, but I didn't want to reply, for obvious reasons. >>
I got the same forwarded email, from an unknown party.
It was so outrageous, it's hard to believe. I only asked two
friends about this, and neither had heard of this accusation.
I have bought a few coins over the years from Ms. Sperber
but read her monthly reports regularly. The truth always
prevails.
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<< <i>I doubt if this accusation will have any affect on current or prospective customer of Laura. >>
The problem is that a potential new customer who wants to do business with Laura may google her name and this site may come up which could dissuade them from giving her their business. Let's not forget that a dealer's good reputation is his/her most valuable asset.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Don
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
In any case, go get 'um Bruce -
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chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions. >>
You assumed correct.... I get an uneasy feeling when I see feathers smell tar and hear my name mentioned
Laura, hang in there, the truth will prevail.
Bruce, good job, keep the pressure on and find this lowlife.
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chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions. >>
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I hope jfoot knows it is just an inside joke.
Even if this were true, I can't see many people caring. In this hobby/business, all anyone cares about is that the dealer's word is good, the coins are good, and the checks are good. Yes, even if the dealer is "loud mouthed".
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I went to several of the leading on line complaint sites to tell my story. RipOffReport was one of them. I figured my money was gone for good. It took 3 months for the dealership to finally figure things out (and fire the sales manager and salesman in the process) and refund my money. I later updated my ROR complaint to say that it had been resolved. But, I was surprised to find that it couldn't be deleted.
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chatboard weenie! >>
Jfoot13 is not the perp. He is a member here who shared in this thread a copy of the email that he received from the perp. He has since deleted it, I assume because of comments like this. Always best to read an entire thread before publicly jumping to conclusions. >>
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I hope jfoot knows it is just an inside joke.
I didn't, my apologies
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
my only insight here, as a practicing litigation attorney, is that unless the bad guy has some assets, you're going to end up spending a lot of money on a lawsuit and may never see it again. it may be some kid out there or some deranged person with no assets who posted it.
A sad comment on our free society today.
Many members on this forum that now it cannot fit in my signature. Please ask for entire list.
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But it's easy to see how he could make a quick 20K.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
According to the State Farm commercial everything posted on the net is true.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"