<< <i>I would like to stress that no matter what one thinks about Laura, she is honest as they come. I have been partners with her for 16 years and know of the many things that she has done for collectors and against the forces that be in the industry. Personally, I believe this a coin doctor out to get her. I can state categorically that I will spare no expense seeking out who is doing this. >>
Wow! I am so sorry to hear this, but I am glad that you have filed suit. Too many people would have ignored it, but I, like you, would have prosecuted the offending party to maximum extent permissible under the law. I am sorry to hear of the problems, and I agree with you that it is likely a coin doctor.
<< <i>Sadly, if the person has no resources to speak of, there is little hope of any sort of justice. >>
I guess this depends on what your definition of "justice" is. While I agree that this is clearly a civil suit and not a criminal suit (and thus no conviction), a judgment can be punitive in and of itself even if there is no mechanism to enforce it should the future debtor have no assets to encumber. It will show on his or her credit report and damage their credit for at least 7 years; this is an intentional tort which should be non-dischargeable in bankruptcy; and the debtor now has to worry about having both his payroll and bank accounts garnished. Regardless of whether Laura collects one red cent and whether the debtor is able to hide assets (which can be difficult), the defendant will always remember Laura. In sort, it sends the message that you don't mess with Laura, especially when the allegations are false and tortious. It might not be the ideal outcome, but to me, it would be worth the time and expense to send this very clear message and to defend my reputation.
<< <i>How does a lawsuit get filed without an opposing party? >>
John Doe >>
Yes, and to the person asking the question, once you have filed a law suit, you have subpoena power and the right to conduct discovery, making it easier to get information concerning the defendant's true identity and asset information. You can always file a motion with the court to substitute in the correct name of the defendant when it comes to light.
What is good (so to speak), is this person actually committed a crime. Since a crime was committed, it is not a first admendment/freedom of speech issue. Because the person claimed to be Laura, that is the criminal act.
IMO, Laura and Legend have to pursue this. If they dont, future business clients could suffer. Many of the million dollar clients, want a squeaky clean investments. Having even a possible blemish could end those business chances.
Morgan Everyman Set Member, Society of Silver Dollar Collectors. Looking for PCGS AU58+ 1901-P, 1896-O, & 1894-O
I, too, received the email on an account associated with CU.
Is there any way that CU can track who has been mining email addresses from its date banks?
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>Is there any way that CU can track who has been mining email addresses from its date banks? >>
Perhaps activity logs, if any, could point to an IP address that match a registration and login, but you don't need to have an account in the forums to look at user profiles ( ), so the offender could have grabbed addresses anonymously.
<< <i>Is there any way that CU can track who has been mining email addresses from its date banks? >>
Perhaps activity logs, if any, could point to an IP address that match a registration and login, but you don't need to have an account in the forums to look at user profiles ( ), so the offender could have grabbed addresses anonymously. >>
if not done anonymously, any one IP using the profile page lookup a lot one after another on one or two days would be a red flag for me.
of course, simply turning this info over without a court order could violate innocents privacy.
It's surprising this report is still up because its claims are so easily disproven.
Since the report mentions a person was indicted by a grand jury without evidence to back it up, it seems like the site should take off the report without being paid for arbitration if it's obviously false. After all, there should be nothing to arbitrate because the report is clearly false and clearly libelous.
While some reports to the The Ripoff Report may be arguable and have gray areas, the report is clearly flat-out false in this case so it seems like a legal case could be made to require the site remove the report without paying for any arbitration.
I hope the people behind this false report are found and identified. There's no place is this hobby for this kind of behavior.
<< <i>It's surprising this report is still up because it's claims are so easily disproven.
Since the report mentions a person was indicted by a grand jury without evidence to back it up, it seems like the site should take off the report without being paid for arbitration if it's obviously false. After all, there should be nothing to arbitrate because the report is clearly false and clearly libelous.
While some reports to the The Ripoff Report may be arguable and have gray areas, the report is clearly flat-out false in this case so it seems like a legal case could be made to require the site remove the report without paying for any arbitration.
I hope the people behind this false report are found and identified. There's no place is this hobby for this kind of behavior. >>
I thought the 'RIPOFF REPORT' was a site for people who thought they had been wronged and wanted revenge. The accused had to buy their way out of the accusation and the initial post can be made Anonymously....which most are because the poster wants to bash someone but hide his/her identity.
I see the 'RIPOFF REPORT' has expanded it's business plan to include internet slander of individuals. I would advise they are treading into quicksand.
I suspect the coin doctors have found a worthless proxy to do their bidding.
No one in the coin business would be stupid enough to make an accusation that Legend has been indicted for conspiracy, organized crime etc..
Oh, there are more than a few that are that stupid. However, I think the most likely scenario is that this was posted by someone, probably a collector, "just having fun". (No, not our JHF.)
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<< <i>If I was investigating, I would be looking at the following types:
individals in the coin business who are motivated in doing this, individuals in the coin business who have something to gain from doing this, Laura's enemies, members of an organization who Laura has gone after with her message (3 letters), and noted coin doctors etc., hmm you see any commonality here?
Just my opinion. >>
I agree with Realone. If I were to guess, I'd say the person(s) responsible for this might be someone who has been harming the collecting hobby and making profits at the expense of both collectors and TPGs (who have to take losses under their grade guarantee). Now that the hobby is moving in a direction of more transparency that is better for collectors and TPGs these people may be seeing their deception-based revenues shrink. As such, they may look to penalize the most vocal person advocating change.
If anything, I think this action shows that Laura's efforts as well as those of PCGS, PNG, and JA/CAC are having an effect. We need to stand with those pushing for better changes in the hobby and help root out those that continue deceptive practices, whether it is with doctored coins or false ripoff reports.
I highly doubt this was done by a collector just for kicks given the effort involved with the initial report and the email blast. I wouldn't be surprised if this was done by someone associated with the "$100,000" AT Gobrecht that was recently pulled by HA.
This thread is not drawing a lot of attention, it has been up for a few days with 120 post but a lot of the posters on this thread have posted multiple times.
I would think most can see thru the BS
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20,000 USD is a lot of money and I can think of a number of hacking groups in Russia and other parts of Eastern Europe that would be willing to look into extracting information from both hushmail and ripoffreports. None of it will be admissible in court, though.
<< <i>No one in the coin business would be stupid enough to make an accusation that Legend has been indicted for conspiracy, organized crime etc..
Oh, there are more than a few that are that stupid. However, I think the most likely scenario is that this was posted by someone, probably a collector, "just having fun". (No, not our JHF.) >>
I agree , this has the aura of a commen garden variety troll , it certainly didn't take any smarts to do this and in fact smacks of immaturity.I believe the culprit probably got the results desired which wasn't to ruin anyones reputation but more to get peoples pants in an uproar.
So does calling someone at 2am about a blog post.... >>
Care to explain what you mean there ? >>
The behavior we see regarding this report may be exactly the type of behavior we should expect from certain doctors.
In this particular case, an ANA Summer Seminar instructor and doctor that's fooled TPGs regarding his blue-rimmed productions called Laura at 2am to complain about a blog post of hers.
So, rather than writing off these attacks as being done by common trolls because of their immaturity, it may very likely be that doctors experienced at fooling TPGs and collectors are behind this.
So does calling someone at 2am about a blog post.... >>
Care to explain what you mean there ? >>
The behavior we see regarding this report may be exactly the type of behavior we should expect from certain doctors.
In this particular case, an ANA Summer Seminar instructor and doctor that's fooled TPGs regarding his blue-rimmed productions called Laura at 2am to complain about a blog post of hers.
So, rather than writing off these attacks as being done by common trolls because of their immaturity, it may very likely be that doctors experienced at fooling TPGs and collectors may be behind this. >>
Thank you , i didn't write anything off , merely seeing what is very possible.From the get go the word coin doctor came up and opinion hasn't strayed too far from that.That's a very limited outlook.I don't know Laura and i don't know zip about Legend , but i've seen enough threads here being zapped to know theres division and split views.
<< <i>Thank you , i didn't write anything off , merely seeing what is very possible.From the get go the word coin doctor came up and opinion hasn't strayed too far from that.That's a very limited outlook.I don't know Laura and i don't know zip about Legend , but i've seen enough threads here being zapped to know theres division and split views. >>
Given the history, I don't think looking at coin doctors is a limited outlook when you consider motive. Since you say you don't know Laura or Legend, it might be good to read up a bit on Laura, Legend, doctoring, the PNG, etc.
In addition to the ANA Summer Seminar blue-rim doctor, other doctors have been complaining to Laura about her pro-collector/TPG/transparency campaign as well.
Also, a "$100,000" AT Gobrect was recently pulled from an HA auction. This is a $20,000 coin that was doctored into a "$100,000" coin. The potential "losses" there could certainly be considered motive by some.
<< <i>It's surprising this report is still up because its claims are so easily disproven.
Since the report mentions a person was indicted by a grand jury without evidence to back it up, it seems like the site should take off the report without being paid for arbitration if it's obviously false. After all, there should be nothing to arbitrate because the report is clearly false and clearly libelous.
While some reports to the The Ripoff Report may be arguable and have gray areas, the report is clearly flat-out false in this case so it seems like a legal case could be made to require the site remove the report without paying for any arbitration.
I hope the people behind this false report are found and identified. There's no place is this hobby for this kind of behavior. >>
Here is an interesting article about the website at phoenixnewtimes.com. Appears they have never had to remove any post and that the law protects it just like an ISP.
Looks like going after the poster is probably the best way. Hope they get them as that could make others think before posting lies like that. Plus we all now want to know who it was
Will the 20k be paid if the person that posted this is located or only if he/she gets convicted? That woman on Criminal minds makes this stuff look easy.
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This thread is not drawing a lot of attention, it has been up for a few days with 120 post but a lot of the posters on this thread have posted multiple times.
This is a very quiet forum. The thread regarding Carl's passing didn't get but 160 posts after being nailed to the top for several days.
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<< <i>Will the 20k be paid if the person that posted this is located or only if he/she gets convicted? >>
From TDN on page 2:
<< <i>I will pay a $10,000 reward for specific information regarding the identity that leads to the conviction of the perp. Anyone with such information should contact Atty Jeremiah Reynolds at 310-566-9800 >>
Removing this report may be more difficult than one might think. Ripoff Report has been around a while and has a rep for vigorously defending the anonymity of report posters and is not afraid of litigation. Having nosed around their site, it seems they even have a link entitled "Want to sue Ripoff Report?" FYI-this link worked for me earlier but now for some reason their site is sluggish.
Ripoffreport.com site is down. Looks like the scum finally met his match.
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<< <i>I would like to stress that no matter what one thinks about Laura, she is honest as they come. I have been partners with her for 16 years and know of the many things that she has done for collectors and against the forces that be in the industry. Personally, I believe this a coin doctor out to get her. I can state categorically that I will spare no expense seeking out who is doing this. >>
Wow! I am so sorry to hear this, but I am glad that you have filed suit. Too many people would have ignored it, but I, like you, would have prosecuted the offending party to maximum extent permissible under the law. I am sorry to hear of the problems, and I agree with you that it is likely a coin doctor.
<< <i>Sadly, if the person has no resources to speak of, there is little hope of any sort of justice. >>
I guess this depends on what your definition of "justice" is. While I agree that this is clearly a civil suit and not a criminal suit (and thus no conviction), a judgment can be punitive in and of itself even if there is no mechanism to enforce it should the future debtor have no assets to encumber. It will show on his or her credit report and damage their credit for at least 7 years; this is an intentional tort which should be non-dischargeable in bankruptcy; and the debtor now has to worry about having both his payroll and bank accounts garnished. Regardless of whether Laura collects one red cent and whether the debtor is able to hide assets (which can be difficult), the defendant will always remember Laura. In sort, it sends the message that you don't mess with Laura, especially when the allegations are false and tortious. It might not be the ideal outcome, but to me, it would be worth the time and expense to send this very clear message and to defend my reputation.
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<< <i>How does a lawsuit get filed without an opposing party? >>
John Doe >>
Yes, and to the person asking the question, once you have filed a law suit, you have subpoena power and the right to conduct discovery, making it easier to get information concerning the defendant's true identity and asset information. You can always file a motion with the court to substitute in the correct name of the defendant when it comes to light.
IMO, Laura and Legend have to pursue this. If they dont, future business clients could suffer. Many of the million dollar clients, want a squeaky clean investments. Having even a possible blemish could end those business chances.
Member, Society of Silver Dollar Collectors.
Looking for PCGS AU58+ 1901-P, 1896-O, & 1894-O
Is there any way that CU can track who has been mining email addresses from its date banks?
<< <i>Is there any way that CU can track who has been mining email addresses from its date banks? >>
Perhaps activity logs, if any, could point to an IP address that match a registration and login, but you don't need to have an account in the forums to look at user profiles (
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<< <i>Is there any way that CU can track who has been mining email addresses from its date banks? >>
Perhaps activity logs, if any, could point to an IP address that match a registration and login, but you don't need to have an account in the forums to look at user profiles (
if not done anonymously, any one IP using the profile page lookup a lot one after another on one or two days would be a red flag for me.
of course, simply turning this info over without a court order could violate innocents privacy.
While not fair these cases 'usually' end as whodonits or settled quietly out of court for no to minimal money. Thus no conviction and no reward paid.
11yrs ago, I turned in my former employer for fraud, they settled , I got fired, never collected 6 figure 'reward'.
The law protects the guilty.
My collection of rare gold, type and more for sale.
<< <i>I got the email too but who takes such emails seriously? >>
The people being defamed.
Coin Rarities Online
Since the report mentions a person was indicted by a grand jury without evidence to back it up, it seems like the site should take off the report without being paid for arbitration if it's obviously false. After all, there should be nothing to arbitrate because the report is clearly false and clearly libelous.
While some reports to the The Ripoff Report may be arguable and have gray areas, the report is clearly flat-out false in this case so it seems like a legal case could be made to require the site remove the report without paying for any arbitration.
I hope the people behind this false report are found and identified. There's no place is this hobby for this kind of behavior.
<< <i>It's surprising this report is still up because it's claims are so easily disproven.
Since the report mentions a person was indicted by a grand jury without evidence to back it up, it seems like the site should take off the report without being paid for arbitration if it's obviously false. After all, there should be nothing to arbitrate because the report is clearly false and clearly libelous.
While some reports to the The Ripoff Report may be arguable and have gray areas, the report is clearly flat-out false in this case so it seems like a legal case could be made to require the site remove the report without paying for any arbitration.
I hope the people behind this false report are found and identified. There's no place is this hobby for this kind of behavior. >>
I agree.
I miss Bear,...
speaking of bear 'n false witness.
I see the 'RIPOFF REPORT' has expanded it's business plan to include internet slander of individuals. I would advise they are treading into quicksand.
I suspect the coin doctors have found a worthless proxy to do their bidding.
read :-)
Oh, there are more than a few that are that stupid. However, I think the most likely scenario is that this was posted by someone, probably a collector, "just having fun". (No, not our JHF.)
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>If I was investigating, I would be looking at the following types:
individals in the coin business who are motivated in doing this, individuals in the coin business who have something to gain from doing this, Laura's enemies, members of an organization who Laura has gone after with her message (3 letters), and noted coin doctors etc., hmm you see any commonality here?
Just my opinion. >>
I agree with Realone. If I were to guess, I'd say the person(s) responsible for this might be someone who has been harming the collecting hobby and making profits at the expense of both collectors and TPGs (who have to take losses under their grade guarantee). Now that the hobby is moving in a direction of more transparency that is better for collectors and TPGs these people may be seeing their deception-based revenues shrink. As such, they may look to penalize the most vocal person advocating change.
If anything, I think this action shows that Laura's efforts as well as those of PCGS, PNG, and JA/CAC are having an effect. We need to stand with those pushing for better changes in the hobby and help root out those that continue deceptive practices, whether it is with doctored coins or false ripoff reports.
I highly doubt this was done by a collector just for kicks given the effort involved with the initial report and the email blast. I wouldn't be surprised if this was done by someone associated with the "$100,000" AT Gobrecht that was recently pulled by HA.
I would think most can see thru the BS
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working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
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<< <i>No one in the coin business would be stupid enough to make an accusation that Legend has been indicted for conspiracy, organized crime etc..
Oh, there are more than a few that are that stupid. However, I think the most likely scenario is that this was posted by someone, probably a collector, "just having fun". (No, not our JHF.) >>
I agree , this has the aura of a commen garden variety troll , it certainly didn't take any smarts to do this and in fact smacks of immaturity.I believe the culprit probably got the results desired which wasn't to ruin anyones reputation but more to get peoples pants in an uproar.
<< <i>smacks of immaturity >>
So does calling someone at 2am about a blog post....
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<< <i>smacks of immaturity >>
So does calling someone at 2am about a blog post.... >>
Care to explain what you mean there ?
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<< <i>smacks of immaturity >>
So does calling someone at 2am about a blog post.... >>
Care to explain what you mean there ? >>
The behavior we see regarding this report may be exactly the type of behavior we should expect from certain doctors.
In this particular case, an ANA Summer Seminar instructor and doctor that's fooled TPGs regarding his blue-rimmed productions called Laura at 2am to complain about a blog post of hers.
So, rather than writing off these attacks as being done by common trolls because of their immaturity, it may very likely be that doctors experienced at fooling TPGs and collectors are behind this.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>smacks of immaturity >>
So does calling someone at 2am about a blog post.... >>
Care to explain what you mean there ? >>
The behavior we see regarding this report may be exactly the type of behavior we should expect from certain doctors.
In this particular case, an ANA Summer Seminar instructor and doctor that's fooled TPGs regarding his blue-rimmed productions called Laura at 2am to complain about a blog post of hers.
So, rather than writing off these attacks as being done by common trolls because of their immaturity, it may very likely be that doctors experienced at fooling TPGs and collectors may be behind this. >>
Thank you , i didn't write anything off , merely seeing what is very possible.From the get go the word coin doctor came up and opinion hasn't strayed too far from that.That's a very limited outlook.I don't know Laura and i don't know zip about Legend , but i've seen enough threads here being zapped to know theres division and split views.
<< <i>Thank you , i didn't write anything off , merely seeing what is very possible.From the get go the word coin doctor came up and opinion hasn't strayed too far from that.That's a very limited outlook.I don't know Laura and i don't know zip about Legend , but i've seen enough threads here being zapped to know theres division and split views. >>
Given the history, I don't think looking at coin doctors is a limited outlook when you consider motive. Since you say you don't know Laura or Legend, it might be good to read up a bit on Laura, Legend, doctoring, the PNG, etc.
In addition to the ANA Summer Seminar blue-rim doctor, other doctors have been complaining to Laura about her pro-collector/TPG/transparency campaign as well.
Also, a "$100,000" AT Gobrect was recently pulled from an HA auction. This is a $20,000 coin that was doctored into a "$100,000" coin. The potential "losses" there could certainly be considered motive by some.
<< <i>It's surprising this report is still up because its claims are so easily disproven.
Since the report mentions a person was indicted by a grand jury without evidence to back it up, it seems like the site should take off the report without being paid for arbitration if it's obviously false. After all, there should be nothing to arbitrate because the report is clearly false and clearly libelous.
While some reports to the The Ripoff Report may be arguable and have gray areas, the report is clearly flat-out false in this case so it seems like a legal case could be made to require the site remove the report without paying for any arbitration.
I hope the people behind this false report are found and identified. There's no place is this hobby for this kind of behavior. >>
Here is an interesting article about the website at phoenixnewtimes.com. Appears they have never had to remove any post and that the law protects it just like an ISP.
Looks like going after the poster is probably the best way. Hope they get them as that could make others think before posting lies like that. Plus we all now want to know who it was
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RIP "BEAR"
This is a very quiet forum. The thread regarding Carl's passing didn't get but 160 posts after being nailed to the top for several days.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>Will the 20k be paid if the person that posted this is located or only if he/she gets convicted? >>
From TDN on page 2:
<< <i>I will pay a $10,000 reward for specific information regarding the identity that leads to the conviction of the perp. Anyone with such information should contact Atty Jeremiah Reynolds at 310-566-9800 >>
Having nosed around their site, it seems they even have a link entitled "Want to sue Ripoff Report?" FYI-this link worked for me earlier but now for some reason their site is sluggish.
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Just a few minutes of google searching brings up :
http://edmagedsonscam.wordpress.com/
http://www.reportsripoff.com/edmagedson.php
http://blog.usaseopros.com/2009/04/14/scamming-as-an-art-form-ed-magedson-rip-off-report/
Quite a can of worms. Surprised google still reports his search results.
The site seems to be down now.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
I wonder if ED MAGEDSON knows who the OP is.....
I wonder where ED MAGEDSON lives............
I wonder if ED MAGEDSON even lives in Arizona......
<< <i>Ripoffreport.com site is down. Looks like the scum finally met his match. >>
Confirmed. Just went to websitedown.info (a handy place to see if a site is down for everyone or just certain areas)
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<< <i>Ripoffreport.com site is down. Looks like the scum finally met his match. >>
one skinned cat lol
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This site appears to be fully up to me.
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<< <i>"Magedson, Ed editor@ripoffreport.com
"I hope you know you are publishing false and defamatory information about Laura Sperber on your site and there is a butt whipping about to be administered and it is not Laura Sperber who is going to get slapped.
"You had best wise up lad. Real fast. You are playing INTERNET SLANDER with the wrong folks.
"Good luck to you because you're going to need it."
Text >>
Chessman,
You really wrote that and sent it? Seriously? What grade are you in?