Someone is spreading lies about Legend [$20,000 reward]
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I, and others, received an email today with a link to a Ripoff Report filed against Laura of Legend. This Ripoff Report is totally false. We have hired an attorney to determine the identity of the person who filed the original post AND the person who impersonated Laura in filing false rebuttals on the Ripoff Report. We will be pursuing this person to the fullest extent of our capabilities. A lawsuit as been filed seeking this information and law enforcement [including the FBI] has been contacted.
The final post in the Ripoff Report thread is pertinent:
This is Laura Sperber's attorney. The above “complaint” is completely false and defamatory. Ms. Sperber has never been indicted of racketeering and money laundering by a grand jury. Ms. Sperber has never been investigated for “helping many well-known organized crime family launder money through the front of coin collecting.”
In addition to the above post, a user who is impersonating Ms. Sperber posted comments to the above post. The above posts were not posted by Ms. Sperber and are false and defamatory. Ms. Sperber has never been charged or investigated for money laundering. Ms. Sperber has never had charges against her for money laundering dropped. Ms. Sperber has never been convicted of any crimes and has never reached a plea bargain regarding any crimes.
We have filed a lawsuit in Arizona and have issued subpoenas to determine the identities of the users who have posted the false and defamatory posts about Ms. Sperber and are impersonating Ms. Sperber.
The final post in the Ripoff Report thread is pertinent:
This is Laura Sperber's attorney. The above “complaint” is completely false and defamatory. Ms. Sperber has never been indicted of racketeering and money laundering by a grand jury. Ms. Sperber has never been investigated for “helping many well-known organized crime family launder money through the front of coin collecting.”
In addition to the above post, a user who is impersonating Ms. Sperber posted comments to the above post. The above posts were not posted by Ms. Sperber and are false and defamatory. Ms. Sperber has never been charged or investigated for money laundering. Ms. Sperber has never had charges against her for money laundering dropped. Ms. Sperber has never been convicted of any crimes and has never reached a plea bargain regarding any crimes.
We have filed a lawsuit in Arizona and have issued subpoenas to determine the identities of the users who have posted the false and defamatory posts about Ms. Sperber and are impersonating Ms. Sperber.
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Edited to say that I now see a link to their web site. I can't imagine why anyone would do this.
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I just don't think many (if any) here on the boards will believe any of the crapola being posted about Laura.
The email is in my inbox. What a sleeze.
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Unfortunately, we live in a world where anybody can say anything about anyone else, on the internet, and usually not be held accountable. Docs have been dealing with this for some time. Unhappy patients, competitors, pranksters, etc. can grade docs on a number of websites and pass along false information, and it is impossible to have this vetted, verified, or removed. Excellent reputations that have been made over decades have been besmirched with a few keystrokes.
I have never heard of this website, it looks shady, and calling attention to this issue may bring more harm than good. JMHO.
<< <i>TDN I appreciate how you feel and what a bunch of BS that this even happened. I never heard of this web site and you might be causing Legend more harm than good by bringing attention to it here. 1-2 years from now folks will only remember bits and pieces of this whole ordeal and possibly the wrong bits and pieces. I would absolutely go legal but not sure if it is wise to post it here. Good luck with taking care of these morons. >>
At first, I was intent to ignore it - for precisely the reasons you state [and the cost of pursuit]. However, the perp has stepped up the ante by doing a mass email to members of the coin collecting community. Sorry, but it's beyond being ignored now - Legend will vigorously protect its reputation.
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I'd have almost been tempted not to even respond to the website itself but rather handle everything behind the scenes.
As it stands now it is a bit tough to determine the real voices from the impostors.
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<< <i>go after the website as well. >>
tdn, do you homework before doing this.
Second, I hope you find out who and let us all know as well.
Third....I really hate being this far out of the loop as I could use $10k for dropping a dime on this fool!
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If I hadn't filed this suit, I would still be angry about the incident. I completely understand your attitude. Hopefully the poster imitating Laura was too dumb to mask his IP address.
I replied that this information is a lie.
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I applaud you, Laura, and Legend for vigorously pursuing this matter. I wish you the very best in identifying the parties involved. There is certainly nothing amusing about this and I truly hope those involved are caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Hopefully with the technology available the authorities will be able to track down who owns the devices used to post this tripe and lead you to those responsible.
Good luck to you!
Sad to see.
Best of luck nailing this sucker.
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Please keep us informed.
Good luck in nailing the buggers!
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<< <i>An anonomous donor has pledged to double the reward. It now stands at $20,000. >>
Wow!
So who would be inclined to defame Laura?
What is he/she to gain?
Bad transaction?
Ticked off competitor?
Or just out to get her?
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There is a recent coin dealer who has taken in excess of $1,500,000 from various dealers in the last 6 months and the FBI does not care.
I think I'd rather have them chasing thieves, then going after slanderers.
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One way to combat this is for all to log on to the Ripoff Report web site and testify positive statements about Laura and that the claim is totally false. If it is 500 to 1 for Laura, anyone who reads it in the future will figure it is a mean-spirited claim and ignore it.
Who is the owner of that website? You can easily find that out.
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<< <i>Not a good thing, but why would the FBI get involved.
There is a recent coin dealer who has taken in excess of $1,500,000 from various dealers in the last 6 months and the FBI does not care.
I think I'd rather have them chasing thieves, then going after slanderers. >>
Yep. The FBI and whatever other law enforcement agencies who were contacted probably wouldn't get involved. This appears to be a tort, not a criminal offense.
<< <i>A a collector and client of Laura I just want to say that obviously this is complete hogwash and I hope this libelous party gets what he/she/they deserve. And let me be second to say that imho Laura is one of if not the most honest dealers I have ever had the pleasure to transact with, she is above reproach and I anxiously wait for the next opportunty to transact with her again. Every business transaction I have ever had with her has been flawless and I have always been completely satisfied with her performance. I wish more dealers were just like her when it came to her business dealings. >>
I agree with you on every word. Today, I had the pleasure of my first phone conversation with Laura,as well as my first business transaction.In addition ,she graciously gave me some sound numistmatic advice that will no doubt save me some money on future coin purchases.I would give her the highest references to anyone in the coin collector world.
On another note, i have never heard of the Ripoff Report but it is hard to see any redeeming value of a website that thinks it is okay to publish anonymous, unverified (and in this case, clearly untrue) accusations of criminal activity.
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And really not relevant to PCGS business here. Sorry, but I don't see the point posting it here. This is Legend stuff, not PCGS stuff.
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<< <i> Laura has been an excellent and even more importantly, a most honest national coin dealer of collectible U.S. coins. I have dealt with her for over 10 years and observed her in action for 10 years prior to making my first purchase from her. I have never heard of her ever having to deal with any significant consumer complaint. I do not deal exclusively with Laura Sperber so I am able to compare her ability as well as integrity in the coin dealer industry with other national coin dealers. I can state for the record that her integrity is second to none in the coin dealer industry. I have a suggestion which is very simple. Let the ripoff reporter back up/document his or her accusations with REAL FACTS right here about this alleged charges of racketeering and money laundering within 72 hours (this is the weekend) and then we will talk and look it over. Otherwise, if not done, this ripoff reporter then has no credibility whatsoever and could be charged with libel in my opinion. Thank you. >>
Attempts at suing RipOff Report have not gone well so you may want to target your efforts solely at the poster of this crap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripoff_Report
They do mention an 'arbitration' scheme to review and remove bad posts, but it looks like it costs money. Wow.
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I got the email too.
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<< <i>What was done here was the act of a true coward............. >>
Amen to that littlebear
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<< <i>From: coins101@hush.com >>
Will be hard to get his email provider to cooperate. Hushmail is big on user privacy even when faced with court orders. Good luck - hope they get what they deserve.
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<< <i>Just some idiot spamming lies on the Internet. Obviously false with a little investigation. Not worth hiring an attorney and chasing this fool in my opinion unless you have really thin skin.
And really not relevant to PCGS business here. Sorry, but I don't see the point posting it here. This is Legend stuff, not PCGS stuff. >>
I posted it here only because members were targeted in the mass email. One PM stated the email address is only used for their CU account. Since the perp took the fight to here, I responded to here.
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