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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2019 11:48PM

    Of the 8 Class I "Original" 1804 dollars, the Stickney-Eliasberg has this pedigree shown at PCGS CoinFacts:

    Acquired by Matthew Stickney on May 9, 1843 at the U.S. Mint in exchange for a 1785 Immune Columbia struck in gold - Henry Chapman 6/1907:849 - Col. James Ellsworth - Wayte Raymond & John Work Garrett (via Knoedler & Co.), 1923 - William Cutler Atwater - B. Max Mehl 6/1946:213 - Louis Eliasberg, Sr. Collection - Bowers & Merena 4/1997:2199, $1,815,000

    So I suppose this traces it directly to the mint.
    But I agree - I'd say the 1804 in the King of Siam proof set has a pretty direct pedigree, too.
    However, my understanding is that the King of Siam set was not sold until 1962, so perhaps Eliasberg did not know about it in 1953.

    And I agree, a "unique pedigree" is a far cry from a "unique coin"!

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1804-1-original-class-bb-304/6907

    Another statement in the article which seems to be wrong is where it states a second 1870-S $3 was placed in the cornerstone of the San Francisco Mint building, but was lost when that building was destroyed.
    That building, the second San Francisco Mint, was completed in 1874 and is still standing.
    An article at the time said that one of each 1870-S denominations were placed in a 8" x 16" x 6" copper box, along with other historical artifacts.
    https://www.numismaticnews.net/flipside/old-sf-mints-lost-treasure
    https://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v07n16a14.html

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2019 5:58PM

    Great posts on the Life Magazine article @Currin and @yosclimber.

    Seems like "US coins" was loosely defined and includes colonials, territorials, patterns, etc. I wonder if any of those would be "required" or at the collectors discretion? Certainly, it's nice to see them represented. I imagine colonials, territorials, the Confederate cents, and the Stellas would help capture the attention of non-collectors.

  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    Hey, maybe Delloy has my missing 1893CC BM PR65+ CAC???? Is he buying black market coins now????

    I am ONLY kidding-but had to ask! B)

    I still say Delloy needs to do Patterns. If no, can someone explain me why Eliasberg had so many? Trust me, Legend will never lose on Patterns we want or need.

    How about a 1933 Saint before the Branch Mint Proof...

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2019 10:51PM

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @specialist said:
    Hey, maybe Delloy has my missing 1893CC BM PR65+ CAC???? Is he buying black market coins now????

    I am ONLY kidding-but had to ask! B)

    I still say Delloy needs to do Patterns. If no, can someone explain me why Eliasberg had so many? Trust me, Legend will never lose on Patterns we want or need.

    How about a 1933 Saint before the Branch Mint Proof...

    Agree. A 1933 Saint would be amazing.

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinosaurus said:
    How can the 1804 $1 possibly be "unique?" I wonder if Eliasberg represented it to Life as "unique." And how is it that of fifteen known, this is the only one that can be traced to the U.S. Mint. Where were the other 14 struck? The double-secret counterfeit mint in Siam??

    Isn't the 1804 $1 class II a unique coin as in 1 only? The other 14 are all class I & III.


    Later, Paul.
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoBust said:

    I think that makes the Eliasberg/Overton/Wallis 1817/4 just a little bit more special. What do you think Currin? It would mean of course Del Loy should strive for 22 more coins. How many others might consider this a good addition for the esteemed Mr. Hansen?

    Yes, I do consider the Overton 1817/4 a very important coin, and the AU53 is a killer of a specimen. I do think at some point, Mr. Hansen will add one, but I am not sure it is on his short list. As a matter of fact, I am not sure he has a list. It may be as we often hear, if a coin is available at a fair price, then he is in the market. So, 21 vs 22 may not mean anything to him. Do you know if the PCGS AU53 is available? I think you may have the second finest, so that one is off the market for now. Several of the other very limited specimens are in registry sets, but I don’t find the AU53 in any sets.

    This coin fits well in the Major Varieties Sets. I checked my notes and Hansen has only 52 remaining to complete this very large PCGS Registry set. If he completes, it should be another HOF set for sure. When this number gets down to 40 remaining, I am planning a countdown for MVs.

    As a subset, I know you are very well aware that he is assembling a Major Varieties Set for Early Half Dollars. The 101-Coin set is rather difficult as no one know better than you. Hansen’s set will not be close is class to what you have achieved in Early Half Dollars. Hansen is four coins away from completing and he still needs: 1795 “Small Head”, 1812/1 “Large 8”, 1839 “Reeded Edge, Small Letters”, along with the 1817/4 “Overdate”.

    Thanks! As always for you contribution.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2019 7:20PM

    @Currin said:

    @GoBust said:

    I think that makes the Eliasberg/Overton/Wallis 1817/4 just a little bit more special. What do you think Currin? It would mean of course Del Loy should strive for 22 more coins. How many others might consider this a good addition for the esteemed Mr. Hansen?

    Yes, I do consider the Overton 1817/4 a very important coin, and the AU53 is a killer of a specimen. I do think at some point, Mr. Hansen will add one, but I am not sure it is on his short list. As a matter of fact, I am not sure he has a list. It may be as we often hear, if a coin is available at a fair price, then he is in the market. So, 21 vs 22 may not mean anything to him. Do you know if the PCGS AU53 is available? I think you may have the second finest, so that one is off the market for now. Several of the other very limited specimens are in registry sets, but I don’t find the AU53 in any sets.

    I posted the PCGS AU53 Wallis discovery specimen's registry set in my earlier post with the TrueView.

    It's in the registry set "The Link Early American Silver Overton Variety Set of Lettered Edge Half Dollars" by user icrf03. I doubt the individual coin will become available as this is an Overton Variety Set and the variety is a pop 0/1/0 for Overton 102a at PCGS. The other known coins are also much lower in grade. It might be more probable to buy the entire set.

    It's mentioned on the cert verification page, but you can't actually go to the set contents because it's private.

    https://www.pcgs.com/cert/25359636

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Zions for the update. I found this Coinweek article that discussed all the known 1817/4 coins. It has some details on Dr. Link and the AU53. The Link Half Dollars are amazing. I did find an open set. Nearly all are POP 1/0 or tied for finest.

    https://coinweek.com/us-coins/the-rarest-half-dollar-coin-of-the-philadelphia-mint-the-18174-overdate-bust-half/

    Dr. Link’s HOF Set including 1817/4 specimen.

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/early-half-dollars-major-sets/capped-bust-half-dollars-classic-set-circulation-strikes-1807-1839/alltimeset/70262

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @specialist said:
    Hey, maybe Delloy has my missing 1893CC BM PR65+ CAC???? Is he buying black market coins now????

    How about a 1933 Saint before the Branch Mint Proof...

    I thought all the black market 1933 Saints been accounted for. Are there more?

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @specialist said:
    Hey, maybe Delloy has my missing 1893CC BM PR65+ CAC???? Is he buying black market coins now????

    How about a 1933 Saint before the Branch Mint Proof...

    I thought all the black market 1933 Saints been accounted for. Are there more?

    If I find one, I'm going to mail it directly to JB!

  • NicNic Posts: 3,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2019 5:16PM

    @specialist said:
    I can state for a fact, LEGEND WILL be the buyer of the next legal 1933 Saint. We did make an offer on the one out there last year but was rejected. We have THREE people will pay over the moon for one. We tried to buy the Langford deal too.

    So I challenge Delloy on that one.

    Good info, but if your offer was rejected, can we really say the offer was over the moon? Perhaps it was more likely in the stratosphere?

    For comparison, a trip to the moon from Space Adventures is $175 million. Read more here:

    http://www.spaceadventures.com/experiences/circumlunar-mission/

    Agree it will be an great challenge to get one. It's a famous coin that captures the imagination. It would be great to see it slabbed by PCGS. Good luck on the chase!

  • ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    I can state for a fact, LEGEND WILL be the buyer of the next legal 1933 Saint. We did make an offer on the one out there last year but was rejected. We have THREE people will pay over the moon for one. We tried to buy the Langford deal too.

    So I challenge Delloy on that one.

    That'll be an auction to see!

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2019 5:53PM

    1873-S Silver Dollar (gotcha - none were ever made).

    1873-S Seated Dollar:
    Supposedly 700 were minted, but none have shown up in collections.
    There's a good discussion of theories here:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1873-s-1-seated/6973
    Maybe they meant the 1870-S dollar makes set completion difficult? (around 11 known).

    Similarly, for the 1873-S No Arrows Seated Half Dollar, supposedly 5000 were minted, but none are known today.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    I can state for a fact, LEGEND WILL be the buyer of the next legal 1933 Saint. We did make an offer on the one out there last year but was rejected. We have THREE people will pay over the moon for one. We tried to buy the Langford deal too.

    So I challenge Delloy on that one.

    Let’s not forget about the 1885 Trade, so don’t get too far over your ski.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:

    @specialist said:
    I can state for a fact, LEGEND WILL be the buyer of the next legal 1933 Saint. We did make an offer on the one out there last year but was rejected. We have THREE people will pay over the moon for one. We tried to buy the Langford deal too.

    So I challenge Delloy on that one.

    Let’s not forget about the 1885 Trade, so don’t get too far over your ski.

    The only reason that coin was available is because we have held in our hands the better one and are waiting patiently for it. Different circumstance on the 1933.

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On the 1885 TD, NOT the same buyers. TDN can tell you-these 3 can out bid Delloy and TDN on anything and not even feel it!!! Hint, one owns 2 1933 $10-MS65+66!!!! You think he wants one?????

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 1, 2019 7:58PM

    @specialist said:
    On the 1885 TD, NOT the same buyers. TDN can tell you-these 3 can out bid Delloy and TDN on anything and not even feel it!!! Hint, one owns 2 1933 $10-MS65+66!!!! You think he wants one?????

    But I'm guessing none of them have as complete of a coin collection as Dell Loy? I'm also guessing none of them have as many #1 sets?

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2019 1:52AM

    @yosclimber said:
    Pretty cool. Here is a larger version with readable text.






    Life magazine, April 27, 1953 from
    https://books.google.com/books?id=KUkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA114&source=gbs_toc_r&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
    The article continues with a page of foreign coins (almost all gold, including one ancient),
    and a page on Eliasberg and the collection. All readable at the link above.

    After seeing these, I think it would be cool for Dell Loy to pick up some patterns, colonials, territorials and Confederate cents. A gold Confederate cent would be awesome. Perhaps not required but definitely nice to have.

    Here's the Farouk specimen of the gold Haseltine restrike of the CSA cent.

    "1861" Confederate States of America cent - Haseltine restrike in gold, Farouk, PCGS MS63+ DCAM pop 0/1/0

    PCGS has 5 gold CSA Haseltine cents in the pops, 1 DCAM here and 4 non-CAM.

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  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    @washingtonrainbows said:

    @Zoins said:

    @specialist said:
    On the 1885 TD, NOT the same buyers. TDN can tell you-these 3 can out bid Delloy and TDN on anything and not even feel it!!! Hint, one owns 2 1933 $10-MS65+66!!!! You think he wants one?????

    But I'm guessing none of them have as complete of a coin collection as Dell Loy? I'm also guessing none of them have as many #1 sets?

    I suspect these whales couldn’t careless about owning a complete set. Why own hundreds of 1-3 k coins when your a billionaire? These guys want single digit total pop coins. Personally I would rather have 100 or so 500 k plus coins than several thousand top pop generics .

    Why stack up on white MS65 1881-S Morgan Dollars, when Hansen can hoard MS68+ GOLD CAC 1881-S Morgan Dollars!

  • GoBustGoBust Posts: 595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing like upgrading finest known and set key gold to make a set jump. Really terrific 1911-D Quarter Eagle!

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    awesome upgrade and even better pedigree

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2019 5:35PM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Seems to me that because they’ve become incorporated into mainstream numismatics that he will need at least a FEW patterns....

    Never mind - I see this was already suggested ...

    Perhaps the criteria would be the ones listed along with regular coins in the "Red Book".

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Currin---you mentioned the 1911-D quarter eagle appeared out of thin air. I may have a little info where it came from. I saw the coin posted in March 2019 on Park Ave numismatics listed for $201,000. Obviously that was only the list price but apparently that is where the coin seems to have come from.

  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 626 ✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    Currin---you mentioned the 1911-D quarter eagle appeared out of thin air. I may have a little info where it came from. I saw the coin posted in March 2019 on Park Ave numismatics listed for $201,000. Obviously that was only the list price but apparently that is where the coin seems to have come from.

    The coin discussed had been on the market for about a year now.

    Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @washingtonrainbows said:

    @Zoins said:

    @specialist said:
    On the 1885 TD, NOT the same buyers. TDN can tell you-these 3 can out bid Delloy and TDN on anything and not even feel it!!! Hint, one owns 2 1933 $10-MS65+66!!!! You think he wants one?????

    But I'm guessing none of them have as complete of a coin collection as Dell Loy? I'm also guessing none of them have as many #1 sets?

    I suspect these whales couldn’t careless about owning a complete set. Why own hundreds of 1-3 k coins when your a billionaire? These guys want single digit total pop coins. Personally I would rather have 100 or so 500 k plus coins than several thousand top pop generics .

    Rainbow, I guess we all would think of Hansen as a whale. Being Hansen is odd or unique, are you saying that is a good thing, bad, or neither? I think Hansen does care about a complete set, not only does he care about $500K coins but also $500.

    The point that I think you are making is right on. There are more big fish like Legend clients than there are like Hansen. It appear in the last century, there have been only 2 - Eliasberg and Hansen. You may could say the Richmond collector as the third.

    As for Eliasberg, I don’t think he cared about the common coins in his collection as Hansen does. I would contribute the underline reason for this difference to the registry that we have today, and the desire to have a condition census specimen as a min.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2019 7:26PM

    @Currin said:
    The point that I think you are making is right on. There are more big fish like Legend clients than there are like Hansen. It appear in the last century, there have been only 2 - Eliasberg and Hansen. You may could say the Richmond collector as the third.

    I think the fact these collectors care about all coins makes them more accessible to more collectors.

    Who is the Richmond collector? I did notice in my thread about the "greatest collectors", no one mentioned anonymous collectors, only named collectors. I wonder if anonymous collectors are somehow just out of the thought process.

  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @specialist said:
    Hey, maybe Delloy has my missing 1893CC BM PR65+ CAC???? Is he buying black market coins now????

    How about a 1933 Saint before the Branch Mint Proof...

    I thought all the black market 1933 Saints been accounted for. Are there more?

    Probably a dangerous question to answer here! :smile:

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @Currin said:

    Who is the Richmond collector? I did notice in my thread about the "greatest collectors", no one mentioned anonymous collectors, only named collectors. I wonder if anonymous collectors are somehow just out of the thought process.

    DLRC helped to assemble and sold the Richmond Collection. The three auction events occurred in 2004-2005. At the time, it was the largest grossing collection of US coins to sell in public auction.

    Richmond Collectionhttps://ngccoin.com/gallery/richmond.aspx

    Richmond Catalog Part 1: https://archive.org/details/richmondcollecti0000davi

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:

    Another point to make on Hansen’s style of collecting big sets with one of everything. Most of the big fish spend their millions only with the elite dealers and auction houses. Whereas, Hansen spreads his spending around. The little dealers to the big guys gets some action from Hansen. I have seen him purchase a $100 coin on eBay. I think that good for all levels of business.

    One prominent dealer-friend of mine told us that Mr. Hansen had kept him in business in 2007-2008. When business was tough, his purchases literally kept his business afloat. I have a feeling he wasn't the only dealer that felt that way, but overall it's good for the coin market.

    And, I can vouch that he is certainly intrigued by EVERY, SINGLE Coin. In fact, he's in dire need of a Roosevelt Dime and reminds me of it at least once a week...

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @Currin said:

    Another point to make on Hansen’s style of collecting big sets with one of everything. Most of the big fish spend their millions only with the elite dealers and auction houses. Whereas, Hansen spreads his spending around. The little dealers to the big guys gets some action from Hansen. I have seen him purchase a $100 coin on eBay. I think that good for all levels of business.

    One prominent dealer-friend of mine told us that Mr. Hansen had kept him in business in 2007-2008. When business was tough, his purchases literally kept his business afloat. I have a feeling he wasn't the only dealer that felt that way, but overall it's good for the coin market.

    And, I can vouch that he is certainly intrigued by EVERY, SINGLE Coin. In fact, he's in dire need of a Roosevelt Dime and reminds me of it at least once a week...

  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 8:32AM

    First, this is an amazing thread. Currin is awesome.

    TDN.. my goodness.. posting Anne Benjamin piece of Scrooge McDuck? Sigh. High rollers insist on a Carl Barks original oil painting with Scrooge and his vault. Sniff.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,173 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does Mr. Hansen and his representatives ever consider raw coins for purchase? Or is his collection built only from slabbed coins [and if so are coins in second and third tier slabs ever considered for purchase]?

    I assume there are many raw coins that, if slabbed, would possibly be finest graded. Particularly moderns.

    I could see quantities of prescreened raw coins being presented and evaluated for possible purchase.

    Looking at raw coins may increase the likelyhood of improving the quality of Mr. Hansen's collection.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    And, I can vouch that he is certainly intrigued by EVERY, SINGLE Coin. In fact, he's in dire need of a Roosevelt Dime and reminds me of it at least once a week...

    I believe I know the one that he wants. Its going to be a very hard find, even though there are only a couple places to look.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Does Mr. Hansen and his representatives ever consider raw coins for purchase? Or is his collection built only from slabbed coins [and if so are coins in second and third tier slabs ever considered for purchase]?

    I assume there are many raw coins that, if slabbed, would possibly be finest graded. Particularly moderns.

    I could see quantities of prescreened raw coins being presented and evaluated for possible purchase.

    Looking at raw coins may increase the likelyhood of improving the quality of Mr. Hansen's collection.

    Interesting question.
    We have bought raw coins, graded them, and added to the set. But, in today's world when you're looking at the kind of quality that he's looking for, 99.9% of the coins are already certified, so it's not necessary (unless we're talking about post 2000 modern coins).

    We buy PCGS and NGC coins, though only PCGS coins show up in the registry sets as NGC coins do not display well there. I think that a combined registry would be a fantastic concept, but I'm afraid that isn't in the long term plans at PCGS.

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Major Varieties Set

    I believe the last discussion on the Major Varieties Set was when the 1806 Early Half Dollar “O-108 Knob 6 No Stem” was added. This week’s update is not an addition, but a pretty nice upgrade. Hansen is progressing well on the massive U.S. Coins Complete Set with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1792-1964). This set contains a total of 3260 coins with 439 as Major Varieties that are not listed in the basic set. To my knowledge, no one has ever completed this set. The Hansen Collection has 62 coins remaining with 11 coins in the basic category and 51 as major varieties. This places Hansen at 98.07% completed. In comparison, Louis Eliasberg set was 92.98% completed. There are some real difficult jewels left in the 51 remaining, including the likes of, 1861 “Paquet” with 2 known, 1804 Ten Dollar “Plain Proof” with 3 known, and 1793 “Strawberry Leaf” Large Cent with 4 known. There are many more rarities including the famous 1817/4 half dollar and two Half Eagles that are not collectable. I plan to start a countdown around 40 remaining, and should be fun to watch.

    1814 Dime “STATESOF” MS66 / PCGS POP 2/0
    Certification #85185372, PCGS #4490
    PCGS Price Guide $25,000 / Website listing $37,500

    The variation of the 1814 dime with “STATESOF” was upgraded in his sets. The coin has an overall survival of about 350, but is rare in mint condition. The mint condition survival is maybe 5 or 6. He replaced an 1814 “STATESOF” AU55 Specimen (Certification #21812747). The coin had a PCGS POP 2/6. Both coins are in a PCGS #4490, which is the standard Major variety holder which fits into the JR-5 slot. Being that we do not have pictures, we would assume they are not one of the other John Reich varieties.

    This specimen is on the top of the condition census report with a PCGS POP 2/0. The variety is described by expert Ron Guth: The 1814 STATESOFAMERICA Dime is an interesting variety caused when the engraver placed the word UNITED too high on the reverse die. This forced a shifting of the word STATES and OF to the right, effectively reducing the spacing between these words, and making STATES OF AMERICA appear as a single word. This mistake occurred on only one die of 1814 (JR-5). Apparently, the die survived its press run in 1814, as it was set aside and reused again in 1820, in a cost- and time-saving move, on the JR-1 variety. Thus, in a single stroke, the engraver created inadvertently, two interesting, arms-length varieties for collectors to pursue. Fortunately, the 1814 JR-5 variety is common enough that it does not command much of a premium over the type versions of this date. Very few Mint State varieties exist of the 1814 STATESOFAMERICA Dime. The best appear to be three to four MS-65 examples certified by NGC. The finest example certified by PCGS is a single MS62. Fully struck examples seem to be rare. Usually, this variety shows weakness on the highest points of the hair at Liberty's forehead and temple, and often the 6th, 7th, and 10th stars are flat. The reverse often shows weakness at the base of the shield and on the talons of the eagle's right foot (viewer's left).

    The origin of this coin is not publicly known. It has not appeared in recent auctions. It does appear, at some point, to have been listed on “Eye Appealing Coins” website. This is a company in Hilliard, OH. The posting for the sale has been removed, but the retail price showed to be $37,500. If someone from the community have some additional information, please feel free to add. The coin does not have a TrueView photo and the one from the seller website is no longer available. More to come on the 1792-1964 Circulation Strike Major Varieties.

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/complete-sets/master-sets/u-s-coins-complete-set-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1792-1964/alltimeset/150013

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019 6:47PM

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-cents/large-cents-major-sets/large-cents-basic-set-proof-1817-1857/5305
    ESM's set is in the HOF (Hall of Fame) for the more general (but not overlapping) category - Half Cents and Large Cents Circulation Strikes Complete Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/18940
    It also says the Circulation Strikes set was retired on 3/20/2018.

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