This is a fun thread to watch. There is a bit of ego and vanity here, but a lot of good and pure love of the hobby as well (and our hobby is after all, about collecting money). I will give in a bit to my own inner peacock and say that I notice Mr Hansen has shown the good taste to acquire at least 6 of my former Levoi coins. I am happy to see them in a collection that will have some history attached to it (and give me at least some little bit of a connection to it). The 19-S Walker may be the best coin I ever owned and Dr. Duckor let it go after a few years.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Take note that the three coins pictured above are all CAC! I think DLH finally gets the massive over grading and if possible
will purchase CAC coins!
"However, I am amazed at what top end collectors will do, and pay, to have one man's blessing on their coins"
Mr. Cat, no offense but this is a joke. It is not one man or a company specifically, but rather the idea of having to do something to stop the massive over grading for pay. Do you have any better ideas? Don't say buy the coin not the holder.
That only applies to long term dealers and collectors who can grade. Most coin buyers cannot, and want to RELY on a grading company.
Do many smart people purchase many NGC coins any more? I would say for the most part no. Their grading is so loose that it is comical. Certain dealers use them so they can telemarket or sell to people who do not know any better. CAC is trying to stop PCGS from getting to the level of NGC. That is not easy when a good amount of PCGS revenue is from grading.
No different than diamonds. No knowledgeable buyer would rely on the grading of EGL.
@Perfection said:
Take note that the three coins pictured above are all CAC! I think DLH finally gets the massive over grading and if possible
will purchase CAC coins!
"However, I am amazed at what top end collectors will do, and pay, to have one man's blessing on their coins"
Mr. Cat, no offense but this is a joke. It is not one man or a company specifically, but rather the idea of having to do something to stop the massive over grading for pay. Do you have any better ideas? Don't say buy the coin not the holder.
That only applies to long term dealers and collectors who can grade. Most coin buyers cannot, and want to RELY on a grading company.
Do many smart people purchase many NGC coins any more? I would say for the most part no. Their grading is so loose that it is comical. Certain dealers use them so they can telemarket or sell to people who do not know any better. CAC is trying to stop PCGS from getting to the level of NGC. That is not easy when a good amount of PCGS revenue is from grading.
Do many smart people purchase many NGC coins any more? I would say for the most part no. Their grading is so loose that it is comical. Certain dealers use them so they can telemarket or sell to people who do not know any better. CAC is trying to stop PCGS from getting to the level of NGC. That is not easy when a good amount of PCGS revenue is from grading.
Then why does Legend sell NGC coins? Are you calling your customers stupid?
Do many smart people purchase many NGC coins any more? I would say for the most part no. Their grading is so loose that it is comical. Certain dealers use them so they can telemarket or sell to people who do not know any better. CAC is trying to stop PCGS from getting to the level of NGC. That is not easy when a good amount of PCGS revenue is from grading.
Then why does Legend sell NGC coins? Are you calling your customers stupid?
You seem to have a misconception. @Perfection is not associated with Legend in any manner other than being a customer sometimes.
@Perfection said:
Lastly it seems that DLH is becoming more focused on quality and therefore he is purchasing more and more CAC coins.
If you are going to pay the price the coin usually must be CAC. At the Legend sale he purchased a 1876-S, 2.50.
Rare, great coin. I and a few others wanted it. DLH paid a record price. So what, CAC, nice and quite rare. Good buy!
This post from Perfection caught my eye. So, I looked up the 1876-S upgrade to see if anything interesting was going on. The upgrade is not a standalone finest specimen, instead has a POP 6/0. Therefore, I did not pay much attention to it, until I saw the purchase being a so call “Record Price”. It certain was. After digging a little deeper, it was actually two gold upgrades that are pretty interesting.
1876-S $2.50 PCGS MS63 CAC Cert 4919270 POP 6/0 - Replaces 1876-S $2.50 MS62 CAC POP 12/6
According to David Akers (1975/88): The 1876-S has the lowest mintage of any S Mint quarter eagle except the extremely rare 1854-S. It is very rare in any condition and most known specimens are weakly struck. The examples that I have seen of the 1876-S have the tiny narrow lump on Liberty's jaw that is seen on the business strikes of 1876. Full mint state specimens of this date are extremely rare and I have seen no more than two or three. Because they are invariably weakly struck, 1876-S quarter eagles are difficult to grade. Rather than looking at the usual "high points" for wear, one must examine instead the quality of the surfaces and the mint lustre to accurately determine a grade.
This is an interesting purchase due to the price that Hansen was willing to pay for this coin. The coin was purchased from Legend Rare Coin Auctions on 7/26/2018. The coin was described this way: Tied for FINEST graded of this LOW MINTAGE date. Only 5,000 were struck for circulation, and today, perhaps 400 survive in all grades, with 20 estimated in Mint State. The present coin is VERY high end for the grade. A rich golden bloom with bold orange accents making the devices stand out. The devices are sharply struck, which is the exception to the how this date normally comes. The details are strongly struck, with only the slightest touch of bluntness in only a couple of areas. Only a few minute marks are seen under a strong glass, but none detract from the exceptional eye appeal. This coin has been long off the market, and is making its first auction appearance in decades. The last PCGS coin to sell realized $8,225 in the 2014 FUN auction. As the ONLY PCGS/CAC coin we know that there will be very strong bidding to take home this FINEST set of Liberty quarter eagles. If this series is your specialty, prepare for record bidding! Good luck!
Legend experts estimated the coin would sell between $8,000 to $8,500. I guess they based the estimated on the 2014 sale. The 2014 sale was not for a CAC coin. Hansen ended up paying $21,737.50 for this coin. This price is about 250% of price Legend had estimated (to give Legend credit due, they call it to be a record sale). I will let you be the judge if you think Hansen went overboard on this purchase. I assume he see more (as Perfection did) in that specimen than an average MS63 in the grouping of six. Perfection in his posting characterized the purchase as a “Good buy!” Agree?
Provenance: From the Chester Roche Collection
1904 $5 MS67 CAC Cert 18381873 POP 4/1 – Replaces 1904 $5 MS66+ CAC POP 5/5
This coin really has the WOW factor. It is amazing. According to PCGS POP report, this is not the finest known specimen. The 1904 $5 coin is one of the more common dates in the series. So, if the coin is common and is not the finest, then why is it worthy of mention? Again, it because of the price paid. The 1904 $5 MS67 has a PCGS grade price value of $19,500. The finest known (MS67+) is valued at $27,500. Same as the previous discussion, the coin was purchased from Legend Rare Coin Auctions on 7/26/2018. The coin was described this way: WOW! This coin was created solely by the numismatic gods for their own desires. We rank this coin an MS67+ easily (but make no promises). The coin is the epitome of ULTRA HIGH END quality. Supreme and impeccable surfaces beyond even what you will see in a few MS67+s! Even using a strong glass, there is nothing to find. The surfaces seem to have a creamy texture vs satiny. There are some faint hints of semi-prooflike mirrors. A full booming luster beams from all over. Both sides are a stunning SUPERB GEM original orange gold color. There are NO spots or discolorations anywhere. Miss Liberty and the details are pinpoint sharp in strike, stand out, and have good frost. The eye appeal is totally jaw dropping! The only coin graded higher by PCGS is a MS67+. Legend Numismatics hand picked this coin for the Type set they were building for the consignor. So you know when they have a free hand, they pick on the VERY best possible. No question, this coin is! We won't make any guarantee, but we could see this coin one day as a 67+. This coin sold in the January 2011 Goldberg sale where back then it realized $23,000. We expect it to sell for much more today! There simply are NO accurate pricing guide.
Legend experts estimated the coin would sell between $22,000 to $25,500. I guess they based the estimated on the 2011 Goldberg sale. For this specimen, Hansen ended up paying $34,074 for this coin. This price is about 150% of price Legend had estimated. Again, I will let you be the judge if you think Hansen went overboard on this purchase. He actually paid more than the PCGS value finest known (MS67+). Thoughts on this one? I will show the Hansen purchase and the finest known MS67+. You be the judge for yourself. I know the one that I would pick, but I don't have a grader eye.
Hansen Collection new 1904 $5 MS67 CAC - From the Pharma Collection
Just from the pics, the Hansen coin is softer...esp. noticeable in the hair. But the + has a hit on the chin and less luster (if you can believe the pics). Pretty close pair.
@Perfection said:
Lastly it seems that DLH is becoming more focused on quality and therefore he is purchasing more and more CAC coins.
If you are going to pay the price the coin usually must be CAC. At the Legend sale he purchased a 1876-S, 2.50.
Rare, great coin. I and a few others wanted it. DLH paid a record price. So what, CAC, nice and quite rare. Good buy!
This post from Perfection caught my eye. So, I looked up the 1876-S upgrade to see if anything interesting was going on. The upgrade is not a standalone finest specimen, instead has a POP 6/0. Therefore, I did not pay much attention to it, until I saw the purchase being a so call “Record Price”. It certain was. After digging a little deeper, it was actually two gold upgrades that are pretty interesting.
1876-S $2.50 PCGS MS63 CAC Cert 4919270 POP 6/0 - Replaces 1876-S $2.50 MS62 CAC POP 12/6
According to David Akers (1975/88): The 1876-S has the lowest mintage of any S Mint quarter eagle except the extremely rare 1854-S. It is very rare in any condition and most known specimens are weakly struck. The examples that I have seen of the 1876-S have the tiny narrow lump on Liberty's jaw that is seen on the business strikes of 1876. Full mint state specimens of this date are extremely rare and I have seen no more than two or three. Because they are invariably weakly struck, 1876-S quarter eagles are difficult to grade. Rather than looking at the usual "high points" for wear, one must examine instead the quality of the surfaces and the mint lustre to accurately determine a grade.
This is an interesting purchase due to the price that Hansen was willing to pay for this coin. The coin was purchased from Legend Rare Coin Auctions on 7/26/2018. The coin was described this way: Tied for FINEST graded of this LOW MINTAGE date. Only 5,000 were struck for circulation, and today, perhaps 400 survive in all grades, with 20 estimated in Mint State. The present coin is VERY high end for the grade. A rich golden bloom with bold orange accents making the devices stand out. The devices are sharply struck, which is the exception to the how this date normally comes. The details are strongly struck, with only the slightest touch of bluntness in only a couple of areas. Only a few minute marks are seen under a strong glass, but none detract from the exceptional eye appeal. This coin has been long off the market, and is making its first auction appearance in decades. The last PCGS coin to sell realized $8,225 in the 2014 FUN auction. As the ONLY PCGS/CAC coin we know that there will be very strong bidding to take home this FINEST set of Liberty quarter eagles. If this series is your specialty, prepare for record bidding! Good luck!
Legend experts estimated the coin would sell between $8,000 to $8,500. I guess they based the estimated on the 2014 sale. The 2014 sale was not for a CAC coin. Hansen ended up paying $21,737.50 for this coin. This price is about 250% of price Legend had estimated (to give Legend credit due, they call it to be a record sale). I will let you be the judge if you think Hansen went overboard on this purchase. I assume he see more (as Perfection did) in that specimen than an average MS63 in the grouping of six. Perfection in his posting characterized the purchase as a “Good buy!” Agree?
Provenance: From the Chester Roche Collection
1904 $5 MS67 CAC Cert 18381873 POP 4/1 – Replaces 1904 $5 MS66+ CAC POP 5/5
This coin really has the WOW factor. It is amazing. According to PCGS POP report, this is not the finest known specimen. The 1904 $5 coin is one of the more common dates in the series. So, if the coin is common and is not the finest, then why is it worthy of mention? Again, it because of the price paid. The 1904 $5 MS67 has a PCGS grade price value of $19,500. The finest known (MS67+) is valued at $27,500. Same as the previous discussion, the coin was purchased from Legend Rare Coin Auctions on 7/26/2018. The coin was described this way: WOW! This coin was created solely by the numismatic gods for their own desires. We rank this coin an MS67+ easily (but make no promises). The coin is the epitome of ULTRA HIGH END quality. Supreme and impeccable surfaces beyond even what you will see in a few MS67+s! Even using a strong glass, there is nothing to find. The surfaces seem to have a creamy texture vs satiny. There are some faint hints of semi-prooflike mirrors. A full booming luster beams from all over. Both sides are a stunning SUPERB GEM original orange gold color. There are NO spots or discolorations anywhere. Miss Liberty and the details are pinpoint sharp in strike, stand out, and have good frost. The eye appeal is totally jaw dropping! The only coin graded higher by PCGS is a MS67+. Legend Numismatics hand picked this coin for the Type set they were building for the consignor. So you know when they have a free hand, they pick on the VERY best possible. No question, this coin is! We won't make any guarantee, but we could see this coin one day as a 67+. This coin sold in the January 2011 Goldberg sale where back then it realized $23,000. We expect it to sell for much more today! There simply are NO accurate pricing guide.
Legend experts estimated the coin would sell between $22,000 to $25,500. I guess they based the estimated on the 2011 Goldberg sale. For this specimen, Hansen ended up paying $34,074 for this coin. This price is about 150% of price Legend had estimated. Again, I will let you be the judge if you think Hansen went overboard on this purchase. He actually paid more than the PCGS value finest known (MS67+). Thoughts on this one? I will show the Hansen purchase and the finest known MS67+. You be the judge for yourself. I know the one that I would pick, but I don't have a grader eye.
Hansen Collection new 1904 $5 MS67 CAC - From the Pharma Collection
The 1876-S is a great coin and i believe it to be one of the two best for the date. I did not see it being a $21,000 coin. I did bid on this coin and put in a bid that i was about 95% sure would win me the coin. Congrats to Mr. Hansen on this purchase.
@Perfection said:
Do many smart people purchase many NGC coins any more? I would say for the most part no. Their grading is so loose that it is comical. Certain dealers use them so they can telemarket or sell to people who do not know any better. CAC is trying to stop PCGS from getting to the level of NGC. That is not easy when a good amount of PCGS revenue is from grading.
I have heard some stupid things lately, but this might have taken over the top spot.
@Perfection said:
Do many smart people purchase many NGC coins any more? I would say for the most part no. Their grading is so loose that it is comical. Certain dealers use them so they can telemarket or sell to people who do not know any better. CAC is trying to stop PCGS from getting to the level of NGC. That is not easy when a good amount of PCGS revenue is from grading.
I have heard some stupid things lately, but this might have taken over the top spot.
I’ll buy a coin raw or in any holder if the coin is right with the goal of eventually getting it to PCGS CAC
I was the third under bidder on the 1876 S. Great coin. Good buy for DLH. As someone who is going to sell one day,
it is hard to determine how high to pay. Usually if DLH is bidding it is probably too high.
I was also interested in the 1904. I probably was the under bidder. There are a handful of players for the top CAC, eye appeal coins in many series. Laura and I are two who will pay up. It now seems that DLH is also going after the same or similar coins. I have been paying the price within reason for the top eye appeal and other low pop coins for years. The CAC coins will continue to distance themselves from the others. Most major collections of ANYTHING are built by paying above the market to obtain the best examples.
In regards to the negative comment by Oil: You are a dealer and know coins. The average person needs to be protected
from rampant over grading and much more. Most new buyers, including DLH last year and myself at the beginning were
taken advantage of by dealers we trusted. I bought as much I could from JB and Laura as they are 100% honest. I still do!
We all are immune or oblivious to what goes on in this business. We live with and participate in it it, so it is second nature. Look at it from the view of an outsider. Dozens of people can crack a coin five times, get an upgrade and make a substantial living along with the grading companies. Something is wrong with that.
@Perfection said:
Dozens of people can crack a coin five times, get an upgrade and make a substantial living along with the grading companies. Something is wrong with that.
What’s wrong is that the way the slab game was built, this was inevitable. CAC was a brilliant move to counter the problems and slow the damage, but nothing has fundamentally changed.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Andy,
You are mostly correct, except that many, smart, well off buyers are demanding more and more CAC coins. Their
prices are rising as time goes on. What would you propose to stop or slow down the "slab game"?
Keeping this about DLH: There is too much to buy out there for all of us. So if you restrict your buying to 80% CAC that makes it easier to pass on many coins. This is what I, for the most part do. I also have a somewhat point system when I look at a coin. DLH should as well. I look at and assign points for eye appeal, rarity, CAC Pops, CAC pops in relation to PCGS Pops, pedigree, how often the same coin is sold, how much the next grade is worth and a few other things.
There are many good or great coins in the sales this month. DLH could easily spend 15M. It is hard to decide what not
to buy in terms of his upgrades!
Currin, It would be interesting for you to find the ten top coins DLH needs in the sales.
The top two are obvious, along with the Washington.
Currin, It would be interesting for you to find the ten top coins DLH needs in the sales.
The top two are obvious, along with the Washington.
Perfection, if you define need as the 29 coins to complete the quest, I don’t think there are that many in the upcoming auctions. The TWO that we all know, and there is one low grade NGC 1846-C Half Eagle, but I would not think JB would be interest in.
@Perfection said:
Andy,
You are mostly correct, except that many, smart, well off buyers are demanding more and more CAC coins. Their
prices are rising as time goes on. What would you propose to stop or slow down the "slab game"?
Ultimately, technology will eliminate 99% of the upgrade opportunities. I don't know if that's 10 years away or 30 years away, but it will happen.
In the meantime, a declining sight unseen market for "product" - aka "dreck" - is taking care of the problem to some extent, and CAC is also helping. Obviously.
What would I propose to take another bite out of the problem? I'd like to see a new grading service with low fees, much smaller slabs, no grading guaranty, the date of certification inconspicuously etched somewhere on the slab, and a line of compact safe-deposit-box friendly albums in which the new mini-slabs could be displayed and stored. While some of that may not seem an obvious attack on the crackout game, I believe that anything that takes some attention away from the grade, the slab and the sticker leaves us more focused on the coin. And when we're properly focused on the coins, the market takes care of itself.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
There are coins that go down when cracked, trust me. Also, with millions of coins graded, some of those were graded wrong, and should have been higher in the first place.
My last CAC order (last month), 9 coins, all newly graded in new holders......all 9 passed CAC. These are not 200 dollar clunkers either. Grading is tough today. Crack some of these top pops out and send them in if you doubt that.
I agree with you Andy, your small Album idea with less dominant slabs would be awesome. That's one of treasons I always thought the PCGS album tech is so cool.
Definitely some cool coins coming at the ANA auction Roger. Although I do think we were spoiled by the run of coins in Newman, Gardner and Pogue that for a while, especially with earlier pre-1840 coins, made the coins seem plentiful and available.
New Upgrade to D. L. Hansen Complete Basic Proof Set (Barber Proof Half Dollar)
In pursuit to track down Bruce Scher All-Time Finest Proof Barber Half Dollar set, Hansen added another PCGS POP 1/0 specimen. The base of this set is from the June purchase of the Perfection 10 set. The Hansen set is the Top Set on the current set list after moving ahead of Simpson a few weeks ago. Presently, the set is trailing the Scher set by 0.3 GPA weighted average. With a few more of these upgrades, the set should be All-Time Finest in a few more months.
The 1905 50C PR68 CAC Cert 5324195 PCGS POP 1/0 – Replaces 1905 PR65CA POP 5/54
The 1905 50C PR68 CAC is the most recent PCGS POP 1/0 specimen added to a set which now bring the total to 4 in a 24 coin set. The set is now approx. 20% DAM and 87.5% CAC. The details on the acquisition are not known. The coin did appear in Heritage Auctions in 2009 and 2014. In both auctions, the coin sold for $24K and change. Heritage described the coin as: The surfaces appear perfect on this Superb Gem proof, certified in a green-label holder. Even strong magnification fails to reveal any post-striking defects. The fields are deeply reflective, and a slight amount of frost appears over the devices. Golden-brown toning is scattered irregularly over both sides, complementing streaks of brilliance evident here and there.
Besides the obvious, there are MANY other really nice coins that DLH could use for upgrades. I have no clue what
series he is focused the most on. All of them? It is inconceivable to buy every coin that would be an upgrade. The amount
of money it would take would be staggering even for DLH. It seems that DLH does not sell too much. Sure he had one auction with JB and more to come but it is not much money compared to the big picture. I would assume that DLH has tens of millions of dollars in dupes that could or should be sold. For example, he used around 59 of my MS Barber halves and the rest were his. So keep the best 9 of his and sell the other 50. This would add up. We all love the hunt. However when you are hunting almost everything you do not run out of things to look for. So for example, DLH could buy another top set like
my MS Seated Date set, (If I wanted to sell). It is all CAC and number one so it is better than what he has. He could then
sell 80% of his for a net spend of a few hundred thousands. This seems to make sense. I assume this is why he purchased
the sets of mine. This will not work on most sets as many coins are over graded.
Someone posted about technology. 100% a coin can be identified now if it was graded previously. So technology will NOT stop the over grading. CAC is a huge help. Here is a wild idea. If PCGS stock ever drops to perhaps 5.00, DLH and a few others could buy the company and..........................................
Concerning the DLH proof Barber 50 set.
There is a top coin in the DLRC auction this Sunday. A total gem cac 68+ which for stupid reasons gets more points than a 67cam. I assume DLH will purchase,it.
There is also a top 68 dcam I think in the HA sale which adds a good amount of points.
I could never catch Scher because several years ago I decided that I did not want anymore
White usually dipped dcam’s. They give the most points and Scher had them. I,prefer toned coins.
Rarely does pcgs 68 a great toned coin as a dcam, So. I,was stuck with that set.
I,only buy cac which was another sticking point.
Another matter on my favorite subject of grading:
Pcgs changed the scoring several years ago,and added the top pop bonus. This was unfair,
Irrelevant and a sham. I believe it was done to help a certain collector get more points.
Why would they reward coins or,people, on coins that were already at the top? It makes no sense.
Pay for play? You might not think this matters but it does and it is totally wrong and should be rolled back.
This is a DLH post so I,will tie this in. Look at he the proof 50 seated liberty set.
My total score is actually slightly better than DLH’s. .5. This means my average grades are higher than
His, but lo and behold he is number one because he has more top pops. I could care
Less but it is just WRONG. This should not happen. Up until l this change the registry tried to stop people,from spending big money on a few coins and using them to get ahead of,other people.
I told bj this top pop nonsense was comical but she said her hands were tied.
Back to,the auctions and Currin. I see without doing lots of work there are at least 20 very nice coins that will improve the DLH sets, what will or,should he focus on?
We know the two big coins to watch in the ANA auctions in a couple weeks. What are some of the others? In a quick look at Stack’s Bowers, several potentials upgrades can be found. There really are not any “coins needed for the quest”, except the big two. As for upgrades, there are too many to discuss, and we really don’t know what DLH/JB is really looking to upgrade. Just because a particular coin is a half grade, or more better, don’t necessarily mean there’s any interest to purchase. Although, I think one of Hansen’s weaker series is the Peace Dollar. There are a handful of upgrade opportunities for the Peace series.
There is one coin that caught my eye. This is not a spectacular coin, by no means. It is very much worn and may have been cleaned in the past. It is a coin that was on the brink of extinction, and someone 100 years ago found this rare specimen in pocket change (or change jar) and saved it. Most of the coin in this series were destroyed in the melting pot. Something about the low survival coins interest me a lot.
I have been watching Hansen’s progress with Major Variety Set for a while now. He has made tremendous progress without much fanfare. He is down to needing about 70 coins to complete the 1792-1964 Major Variety set. If he does, I am pretty confident this will be a first time in history achievement. I am planning to start a countdown when he gets down to about 40-50 remaining. The coin that caught my eye is one of these remaining coins.
This is a very rare Capped Bust $5: Type 1 - Large Bust Major Variety Specimen. The 1810 year produced mini-set of 4 Major Half Eagle Varieties; this coin is one of the ultra-rare ones. The Pogue Extraordinary Rarity 1810 Type 1, Large Date, Small 5 Specimen is one of only three known specimens. According to the description: When assembling his superlative cabinet, D. Brent Pogue did not acquire many circulated coins, but the ones he did are some of its greatest rarities. Choice Mint State specimens of many of the rarest American coins simply have not survived. The 1810 Large Date, Small 5 half eagle is one such rarity. It is remarkable in any grade, with a total confirmed population of only three pieces, just two of which are in private hands. Even the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution, replete with gold rarities from the Lilly Collection, lacks this variety. The finest 1810 Large Date, Small 5 half eagle is the Harry W. Bass, Jr. Core Collection coin, generally considered About Uncirculated but presently uncertified and impounded in the American Numismatic Association museum.
The grade on this coin is VF-25. PCGS POP reports one finer VF-30 that last appeared in auction in 1999. The finest specimen known is owned by Harry W. Bass, Jr. Foundation. The coin has an AU53 estimated grade and is off the market. This may be one of those one-shot opportunities. It will be interesting to see if DLH/JB is as interested in this coin as I would be. Open for discussion if anyone is interested. If you were doing what Hansen is doing, would you pass on this coin?
The Bass coins will likely come to market, or so I've heard. There is an early silver pattern I've been following there. I know they deaccessioned some patterns from theset a few years back.
@GoBust said:
The Bass coins will likely come to market, or so I've heard. There is an early silver pattern I've been following there. I know they deaccessioned some patterns from theset a few years back.
What’s the possibility the 70-S Three Dollar will come to market?
Yes. There are too many upgrades to,discuss and we do not know which are,of,more interest
To DLH. One neat coins is at Stacks, a 1830. 2.50 ms. 66. Pop 1.
@GoBust said:
The Bass coins will likely come to market, or so I've heard. There is an early silver pattern I've been following there. I know they deaccessioned some patterns from theset a few years back.
What’s the possibility the 70-S Three Dollar will come to market?
Assuming the Bass Core collection does go to market, I don't know why it would be held back and not sold with the rest of the collection.
You may remember that I worked on identifying some of the most beautiful ultra-rare sets that has been purchased and added to the Hansen collection. These were some of the finest registry sets known. Not all of them were All Time Finest; some of the sets that hold this honor were retired years ago. Those sets were split up, and some specimens ended up in the sets that Hansen purchased. With help by the forum, I have identified 13 sets. Out of these sets, Hansen now has All Time Finest in eight of them. The other five, he hold 2nd place on the All Time Finest list. If there are any great sets purchased that I missed and should be on this list, please let me know.
@Perfection said:
Yes. There are too many upgrades to,discuss and we do not know which are,of,more interest
To DLH. One neat coins is at Stacks, a 1830. 2.50 ms. 66. Pop 1.
yes. the 1830 is a neat coin and potential upgrade. a reserve of $230k is now posted. will be interesting to see where it goes. certainly sees high but then again...
@Perfection said:
Yes. There are too many upgrades to,discuss and we do not know which are,of,more interest
To DLH. One neat coins is at Stacks, a 1830. 2.50 ms. 66. Pop 1.
yes. the 1830 is a neat coin and potential upgrade. a reserve of $230k is now posted. will be interesting to see where it goes. certainly sees high but then again...
There a potential for DLH/JB to drop a lot cash in the next couple weeks. There are lot of opportunities.
I turned down that 1830 at $275G at N.O. .... Its easy to ask anything. It never got justified to me. good luck. perfecto you need to learn coins better and values
@Perfection said:
Andy,
You are mostly correct, except that many, smart, well off buyers are demanding more and more CAC coins. Their
prices are rising as time goes on. What would you propose to stop or slow down the "slab game"?
Ultimately, technology will eliminate 99% of the upgrade opportunities. I don't know if that's 10 years away or 30 years away, but it will happen.
In the meantime, a declining sight unseen market for "product" - aka "dreck" - is taking care of the problem to some extent, and CAC is also helping. Obviously.
What would I propose to take another bite out of the problem? I'd like to see a new grading service with low fees, much smaller slabs, no grading guaranty, the date of certification inconspicuously etched somewhere on the slab, and a line of compact safe-deposit-box friendly albums in which the new mini-slabs could be displayed and stored. While some of that may not seem an obvious attack on the crackout game, I believe that anything that takes some attention away from the grade, the slab and the sticker leaves us more focused on the coin. And when we're properly focused on the coins, the market takes care of itself.
What I predict eventually is a Cointain size product with micro information on its edge. There will be an album to plug them into as if they were raw. Then we'll be able to hold our coins again. Variety, grade, serial #, etc. There is no need for a date and denomination.
Reserves are handled by the auction company putting the bid one increment below the reserve so that if anyone bids the reserve is met. Absolutely no information about demand can be inferred by where the bid is.
It will be interesting to see if it fails to meet the reserve. If it doesn't meet the reserve, it might give Mr. Hansen more leverage in negotiating a post auction buy.
Some of the responses in this thread truly shows the psychology of the registry playing out at the high end to distort logical decision making behavior.
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This is a fun thread to watch. There is a bit of ego and vanity here, but a lot of good and pure love of the hobby as well (and our hobby is after all, about collecting money). I will give in a bit to my own inner peacock and say that I notice Mr Hansen has shown the good taste to acquire at least 6 of my former Levoi coins. I am happy to see them in a collection that will have some history attached to it (and give me at least some little bit of a connection to it). The 19-S Walker may be the best coin I ever owned and Dr. Duckor let it go after a few years.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Congratulations to D L Hansen for PCGS award - HALL OF FAME COMPLETE U.S. COIN COLLECTION
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Take note that the three coins pictured above are all CAC! I think DLH finally gets the massive over grading and if possible
will purchase CAC coins!
"However, I am amazed at what top end collectors will do, and pay, to have one man's blessing on their coins"
Mr. Cat, no offense but this is a joke. It is not one man or a company specifically, but rather the idea of having to do something to stop the massive over grading for pay. Do you have any better ideas? Don't say buy the coin not the holder.
That only applies to long term dealers and collectors who can grade. Most coin buyers cannot, and want to RELY on a grading company.
Do many smart people purchase many NGC coins any more? I would say for the most part no. Their grading is so loose that it is comical. Certain dealers use them so they can telemarket or sell to people who do not know any better. CAC is trying to stop PCGS from getting to the level of NGC. That is not easy when a good amount of PCGS revenue is from grading.
No different than diamonds. No knowledgeable buyer would rely on the grading of EGL.
Yes Congrats to DLH!
Then why does Legend sell NGC coins? Are you calling your customers stupid?
Congratulations DLH! I'm sorry this thread about your numismatic accomplishments is being constantly hijacked by egos and nonsense.
That's what I call having CAC on the brain!
Later, Paul.
You seem to have a misconception. @Perfection is not associated with Legend in any manner other than being a customer sometimes.
DLH paid a record price!
This post from Perfection caught my eye. So, I looked up the 1876-S upgrade to see if anything interesting was going on. The upgrade is not a standalone finest specimen, instead has a POP 6/0. Therefore, I did not pay much attention to it, until I saw the purchase being a so call “Record Price”. It certain was. After digging a little deeper, it was actually two gold upgrades that are pretty interesting.
1876-S $2.50 PCGS MS63 CAC Cert 4919270 POP 6/0 - Replaces 1876-S $2.50 MS62 CAC POP 12/6
According to David Akers (1975/88): The 1876-S has the lowest mintage of any S Mint quarter eagle except the extremely rare 1854-S. It is very rare in any condition and most known specimens are weakly struck. The examples that I have seen of the 1876-S have the tiny narrow lump on Liberty's jaw that is seen on the business strikes of 1876. Full mint state specimens of this date are extremely rare and I have seen no more than two or three. Because they are invariably weakly struck, 1876-S quarter eagles are difficult to grade. Rather than looking at the usual "high points" for wear, one must examine instead the quality of the surfaces and the mint lustre to accurately determine a grade.
This is an interesting purchase due to the price that Hansen was willing to pay for this coin. The coin was purchased from Legend Rare Coin Auctions on 7/26/2018. The coin was described this way: Tied for FINEST graded of this LOW MINTAGE date. Only 5,000 were struck for circulation, and today, perhaps 400 survive in all grades, with 20 estimated in Mint State. The present coin is VERY high end for the grade. A rich golden bloom with bold orange accents making the devices stand out. The devices are sharply struck, which is the exception to the how this date normally comes. The details are strongly struck, with only the slightest touch of bluntness in only a couple of areas. Only a few minute marks are seen under a strong glass, but none detract from the exceptional eye appeal. This coin has been long off the market, and is making its first auction appearance in decades. The last PCGS coin to sell realized $8,225 in the 2014 FUN auction. As the ONLY PCGS/CAC coin we know that there will be very strong bidding to take home this FINEST set of Liberty quarter eagles. If this series is your specialty, prepare for record bidding! Good luck!
Legend experts estimated the coin would sell between $8,000 to $8,500. I guess they based the estimated on the 2014 sale. The 2014 sale was not for a CAC coin. Hansen ended up paying $21,737.50 for this coin. This price is about 250% of price Legend had estimated (to give Legend credit due, they call it to be a record sale). I will let you be the judge if you think Hansen went overboard on this purchase. I assume he see more (as Perfection did) in that specimen than an average MS63 in the grouping of six. Perfection in his posting characterized the purchase as a “Good buy!” Agree?
Provenance: From the Chester Roche Collection
1904 $5 MS67 CAC Cert 18381873 POP 4/1 – Replaces 1904 $5 MS66+ CAC POP 5/5
This coin really has the WOW factor. It is amazing. According to PCGS POP report, this is not the finest known specimen. The 1904 $5 coin is one of the more common dates in the series. So, if the coin is common and is not the finest, then why is it worthy of mention? Again, it because of the price paid. The 1904 $5 MS67 has a PCGS grade price value of $19,500. The finest known (MS67+) is valued at $27,500. Same as the previous discussion, the coin was purchased from Legend Rare Coin Auctions on 7/26/2018. The coin was described this way: WOW! This coin was created solely by the numismatic gods for their own desires. We rank this coin an MS67+ easily (but make no promises). The coin is the epitome of ULTRA HIGH END quality. Supreme and impeccable surfaces beyond even what you will see in a few MS67+s! Even using a strong glass, there is nothing to find. The surfaces seem to have a creamy texture vs satiny. There are some faint hints of semi-prooflike mirrors. A full booming luster beams from all over. Both sides are a stunning SUPERB GEM original orange gold color. There are NO spots or discolorations anywhere. Miss Liberty and the details are pinpoint sharp in strike, stand out, and have good frost. The eye appeal is totally jaw dropping! The only coin graded higher by PCGS is a MS67+. Legend Numismatics hand picked this coin for the Type set they were building for the consignor. So you know when they have a free hand, they pick on the VERY best possible. No question, this coin is! We won't make any guarantee, but we could see this coin one day as a 67+. This coin sold in the January 2011 Goldberg sale where back then it realized $23,000. We expect it to sell for much more today! There simply are NO accurate pricing guide.
Legend experts estimated the coin would sell between $22,000 to $25,500. I guess they based the estimated on the 2011 Goldberg sale. For this specimen, Hansen ended up paying $34,074 for this coin. This price is about 150% of price Legend had estimated. Again, I will let you be the judge if you think Hansen went overboard on this purchase. He actually paid more than the PCGS value finest known (MS67+). Thoughts on this one? I will show the Hansen purchase and the finest known MS67+. You be the judge for yourself. I know the one that I would pick, but I don't have a grader eye.
Hansen Collection new 1904 $5 MS67 CAC - From the Pharma Collection
Finest Known PCGS 1904 $5 MS67+ CAC - Provenance: Heritage 6/2016:4804, $21,150
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I like the 67 better than the 67+.
Just from the pics, the Hansen coin is softer...esp. noticeable in the hair. But the + has a hit on the chin and less luster (if you can believe the pics). Pretty close pair.
The 1876-S is a great coin and i believe it to be one of the two best for the date. I did not see it being a $21,000 coin. I did bid on this coin and put in a bid that i was about 95% sure would win me the coin. Congrats to Mr. Hansen on this purchase.
Hansen's 1904 is more eye appealing, even if having a slightly softer strike.
I have heard some stupid things lately, but this might have taken over the top spot.
I’ll buy a coin raw or in any holder if the coin is right with the goal of eventually getting it to PCGS CAC
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I was the third under bidder on the 1876 S. Great coin. Good buy for DLH. As someone who is going to sell one day,
it is hard to determine how high to pay. Usually if DLH is bidding it is probably too high.
I was also interested in the 1904. I probably was the under bidder. There are a handful of players for the top CAC, eye appeal coins in many series. Laura and I are two who will pay up. It now seems that DLH is also going after the same or similar coins. I have been paying the price within reason for the top eye appeal and other low pop coins for years. The CAC coins will continue to distance themselves from the others. Most major collections of ANYTHING are built by paying above the market to obtain the best examples.
In regards to the negative comment by Oil: You are a dealer and know coins. The average person needs to be protected
from rampant over grading and much more. Most new buyers, including DLH last year and myself at the beginning were
taken advantage of by dealers we trusted. I bought as much I could from JB and Laura as they are 100% honest. I still do!
We all are immune or oblivious to what goes on in this business. We live with and participate in it it, so it is second nature. Look at it from the view of an outsider. Dozens of people can crack a coin five times, get an upgrade and make a substantial living along with the grading companies. Something is wrong with that.
What’s wrong is that the way the slab game was built, this was inevitable. CAC was a brilliant move to counter the problems and slow the damage, but nothing has fundamentally changed.
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Andy,
You are mostly correct, except that many, smart, well off buyers are demanding more and more CAC coins. Their
prices are rising as time goes on. What would you propose to stop or slow down the "slab game"?
Keeping this about DLH: There is too much to buy out there for all of us. So if you restrict your buying to 80% CAC that makes it easier to pass on many coins. This is what I, for the most part do. I also have a somewhat point system when I look at a coin. DLH should as well. I look at and assign points for eye appeal, rarity, CAC Pops, CAC pops in relation to PCGS Pops, pedigree, how often the same coin is sold, how much the next grade is worth and a few other things.
There are many good or great coins in the sales this month. DLH could easily spend 15M. It is hard to decide what not
to buy in terms of his upgrades!
Currin, It would be interesting for you to find the ten top coins DLH needs in the sales.
The top two are obvious, along with the Washington.
Perfection, if you define need as the 29 coins to complete the quest, I don’t think there are that many in the upcoming auctions. The TWO that we all know, and there is one low grade NGC 1846-C Half Eagle, but I would not think JB would be interest in.
If anyone know of others, please share.
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I think Perfection defines need to also include coins which DLH has that aren’t CAC.
No not just CAC coins but any coin that he needs for upgrades to various sets
Ultimately, technology will eliminate 99% of the upgrade opportunities. I don't know if that's 10 years away or 30 years away, but it will happen.
In the meantime, a declining sight unseen market for "product" - aka "dreck" - is taking care of the problem to some extent, and CAC is also helping. Obviously.
What would I propose to take another bite out of the problem? I'd like to see a new grading service with low fees, much smaller slabs, no grading guaranty, the date of certification inconspicuously etched somewhere on the slab, and a line of compact safe-deposit-box friendly albums in which the new mini-slabs could be displayed and stored. While some of that may not seem an obvious attack on the crackout game, I believe that anything that takes some attention away from the grade, the slab and the sticker leaves us more focused on the coin. And when we're properly focused on the coins, the market takes care of itself.
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There are coins that go down when cracked, trust me. Also, with millions of coins graded, some of those were graded wrong, and should have been higher in the first place.
My last CAC order (last month), 9 coins, all newly graded in new holders......all 9 passed CAC. These are not 200 dollar clunkers either. Grading is tough today. Crack some of these top pops out and send them in if you doubt that.
I agree with you Andy, your small Album idea with less dominant slabs would be awesome. That's one of treasons I always thought the PCGS album tech is so cool.
Definitely some cool coins coming at the ANA auction Roger. Although I do think we were spoiled by the run of coins in Newman, Gardner and Pogue that for a while, especially with earlier pre-1840 coins, made the coins seem plentiful and available.
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New Upgrade to D. L. Hansen Complete Basic Proof Set (Barber Proof Half Dollar)
In pursuit to track down Bruce Scher All-Time Finest Proof Barber Half Dollar set, Hansen added another PCGS POP 1/0 specimen. The base of this set is from the June purchase of the Perfection 10 set. The Hansen set is the Top Set on the current set list after moving ahead of Simpson a few weeks ago. Presently, the set is trailing the Scher set by 0.3 GPA weighted average. With a few more of these upgrades, the set should be All-Time Finest in a few more months.
The 1905 50C PR68 CAC Cert 5324195 PCGS POP 1/0 – Replaces 1905 PR65CA POP 5/54
The 1905 50C PR68 CAC is the most recent PCGS POP 1/0 specimen added to a set which now bring the total to 4 in a 24 coin set. The set is now approx. 20% DAM and 87.5% CAC. The details on the acquisition are not known. The coin did appear in Heritage Auctions in 2009 and 2014. In both auctions, the coin sold for $24K and change. Heritage described the coin as: The surfaces appear perfect on this Superb Gem proof, certified in a green-label holder. Even strong magnification fails to reveal any post-striking defects. The fields are deeply reflective, and a slight amount of frost appears over the devices. Golden-brown toning is scattered irregularly over both sides, complementing streaks of brilliance evident here and there.
Provenance: Unknown
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https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/barber-half-dollars-major-sets/barber-half-dollars-proof-1892-1915/alltimeset/155035
Besides the obvious, there are MANY other really nice coins that DLH could use for upgrades. I have no clue what
series he is focused the most on. All of them? It is inconceivable to buy every coin that would be an upgrade. The amount
of money it would take would be staggering even for DLH. It seems that DLH does not sell too much. Sure he had one auction with JB and more to come but it is not much money compared to the big picture. I would assume that DLH has tens of millions of dollars in dupes that could or should be sold. For example, he used around 59 of my MS Barber halves and the rest were his. So keep the best 9 of his and sell the other 50. This would add up. We all love the hunt. However when you are hunting almost everything you do not run out of things to look for. So for example, DLH could buy another top set like
my MS Seated Date set, (If I wanted to sell). It is all CAC and number one so it is better than what he has. He could then
sell 80% of his for a net spend of a few hundred thousands. This seems to make sense. I assume this is why he purchased
the sets of mine. This will not work on most sets as many coins are over graded.
Someone posted about technology. 100% a coin can be identified now if it was graded previously. So technology will NOT stop the over grading. CAC is a huge help. Here is a wild idea. If PCGS stock ever drops to perhaps 5.00, DLH and a few others could buy the company and..........................................
Concerning the DLH proof Barber 50 set.
There is a top coin in the DLRC auction this Sunday. A total gem cac 68+ which for stupid reasons gets more points than a 67cam. I assume DLH will purchase,it.
There is also a top 68 dcam I think in the HA sale which adds a good amount of points.
I could never catch Scher because several years ago I decided that I did not want anymore
White usually dipped dcam’s. They give the most points and Scher had them. I,prefer toned coins.
Rarely does pcgs 68 a great toned coin as a dcam, So. I,was stuck with that set.
I,only buy cac which was another sticking point.
Another matter on my favorite subject of grading:
Pcgs changed the scoring several years ago,and added the top pop bonus. This was unfair,
Irrelevant and a sham. I believe it was done to help a certain collector get more points.
Why would they reward coins or,people, on coins that were already at the top? It makes no sense.
Pay for play? You might not think this matters but it does and it is totally wrong and should be rolled back.
This is a DLH post so I,will tie this in. Look at he the proof 50 seated liberty set.
My total score is actually slightly better than DLH’s. .5. This means my average grades are higher than
His, but lo and behold he is number one because he has more top pops. I could care
Less but it is just WRONG. This should not happen. Up until l this change the registry tried to stop people,from spending big money on a few coins and using them to get ahead of,other people.
I told bj this top pop nonsense was comical but she said her hands were tied.
Back to,the auctions and Currin. I see without doing lots of work there are at least 20 very nice coins that will improve the DLH sets, what will or,should he focus on?
Perfection, can you share your list of 20? Thanks
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Upcoming Auctions
We know the two big coins to watch in the ANA auctions in a couple weeks. What are some of the others? In a quick look at Stack’s Bowers, several potentials upgrades can be found. There really are not any “coins needed for the quest”, except the big two. As for upgrades, there are too many to discuss, and we really don’t know what DLH/JB is really looking to upgrade. Just because a particular coin is a half grade, or more better, don’t necessarily mean there’s any interest to purchase. Although, I think one of Hansen’s weaker series is the Peace Dollar. There are a handful of upgrade opportunities for the Peace series.
There is one coin that caught my eye. This is not a spectacular coin, by no means. It is very much worn and may have been cleaned in the past. It is a coin that was on the brink of extinction, and someone 100 years ago found this rare specimen in pocket change (or change jar) and saved it. Most of the coin in this series were destroyed in the melting pot. Something about the low survival coins interest me a lot.
I have been watching Hansen’s progress with Major Variety Set for a while now. He has made tremendous progress without much fanfare. He is down to needing about 70 coins to complete the 1792-1964 Major Variety set. If he does, I am pretty confident this will be a first time in history achievement. I am planning to start a countdown when he gets down to about 40-50 remaining. The coin that caught my eye is one of these remaining coins.
This is a very rare Capped Bust $5: Type 1 - Large Bust Major Variety Specimen. The 1810 year produced mini-set of 4 Major Half Eagle Varieties; this coin is one of the ultra-rare ones. The Pogue Extraordinary Rarity 1810 Type 1, Large Date, Small 5 Specimen is one of only three known specimens. According to the description: When assembling his superlative cabinet, D. Brent Pogue did not acquire many circulated coins, but the ones he did are some of its greatest rarities. Choice Mint State specimens of many of the rarest American coins simply have not survived. The 1810 Large Date, Small 5 half eagle is one such rarity. It is remarkable in any grade, with a total confirmed population of only three pieces, just two of which are in private hands. Even the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution, replete with gold rarities from the Lilly Collection, lacks this variety. The finest 1810 Large Date, Small 5 half eagle is the Harry W. Bass, Jr. Core Collection coin, generally considered About Uncirculated but presently uncertified and impounded in the American Numismatic Association museum.
The grade on this coin is VF-25. PCGS POP reports one finer VF-30 that last appeared in auction in 1999. The finest specimen known is owned by Harry W. Bass, Jr. Foundation. The coin has an AU53 estimated grade and is off the market. This may be one of those one-shot opportunities. It will be interesting to see if DLH/JB is as interested in this coin as I would be. Open for discussion if anyone is interested. If you were doing what Hansen is doing, would you pass on this coin?
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The Bass coins will likely come to market, or so I've heard. There is an early silver pattern I've been following there. I know they deaccessioned some patterns from theset a few years back.
What’s the possibility the 70-S Three Dollar will come to market?
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Yes. There are too many upgrades to,discuss and we do not know which are,of,more interest
To DLH. One neat coins is at Stacks, a 1830. 2.50 ms. 66. Pop 1.
Assuming the Bass Core collection does go to market, I don't know why it would be held back and not sold with the rest of the collection.
Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage
Registry Sets Purchased by the Hansen Collection
You may remember that I worked on identifying some of the most beautiful ultra-rare sets that has been purchased and added to the Hansen collection. These were some of the finest registry sets known. Not all of them were All Time Finest; some of the sets that hold this honor were retired years ago. Those sets were split up, and some specimens ended up in the sets that Hansen purchased. With help by the forum, I have identified 13 sets. Out of these sets, Hansen now has All Time Finest in eight of them. The other five, he hold 2nd place on the All Time Finest list. If there are any great sets purchased that I missed and should be on this list, please let me know.
Lincoln Basic Cents, CS (1909-1958) set assemble by Charles L. Roberts
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-major-sets/lincoln-cents-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1909-1958/alltimeset/151089
Three Cent Silvers with Major Varieties and 1851, Proof (1851-1873) created by Laura Spierber at Legend
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/two-three-cents/three-cent-silvers-major-sets/three-cent-silvers-major-varieties-1851-proof-1873/alltimeset/164127
Roosevelt FB Basic Dimes, CS (1946-1964) set assemble by Nick Cascio (Onlyroosies)
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dimes/roosevelt-dimes-major-sets/roosevelt-dimes-fb-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1946-1964/alltimeset/151409
Liberty Seated Quarters, Proof (1858-1891) set assemble by Perfection 5
D. L. Hansen 2nd All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/liberty-seated-quarters-major-sets/liberty-seated-quarters-proof-1858-1891/alltimeset/150691
Barber Quarters, Proof (1892-1915) set assemble by Perfection 7
D. L. Hansen 2nd All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/barber-quarters-major-sets/barber-quarters-proof-1892-1915/alltimeset/152295
Liberty Seated Half Dollars Basic Set, Proof (1858-1891) set assemble by Ted Chrismor
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/liberty-seated-half-dollars-major-sets/liberty-seated-half-dollars-basic-set-proof-1858-1891/alltimeset/151601
Barber Half Dollars Basic, CS (1892-1915) set assemble by Perfection
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/barber-half-dollars-major-sets/barber-half-dollars-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1892-1915/alltimeset/155305
Barber Half Dollars, Proof (1892-1915) set assemble by Perfection 10
D. L. Hansen 2nd All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/barber-half-dollars-major-sets/barber-half-dollars-proof-1892-1915/alltimeset/155035
Liberty Seated Dollars Basic Set, CS (1840-1873) assemble by Morelan (TDN) with Legend
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/dollars/liberty-seated-dollars-major-sets/liberty-seated-dollars-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1840-1873/alltimeset/152934
Trade Dollars, Proof (1873-1883) set assemble by Perfection
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/dollars/trade-dollars-major-sets/trade-dollars-proof-1873-1883/alltimeset/156529
Morgan Dollars Prooflike Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) assemble by Texascoins
D. L. Hansen 2nd All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/dollars/morgan-dollars-specialty-sets/morgan-dollars-prooflike-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1878-1921/alltimeset/150454
$3 Gold No 1870-S Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1854-1889) assemble by Bob Simpson
D. L. Hansen 2nd All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/3-gold-major-sets/3-gold-no-1870-s-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1854-1889/alltimeset/147565
Liberty Head $20 Gold Date Set, SC (1850-1907) previous known as the AWA Collection (CNNCoins)
D. L. Hansen All Time Finest - https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/20-gold-major-sets/liberty-head-20-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1850-1907/alltimeset/147814
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Hey JB - the numero uno Eisenhower Dollar set is on eBay
$110k. Wow
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yes. the 1830 is a neat coin and potential upgrade. a reserve of $230k is now posted. will be interesting to see where it goes. certainly sees high but then again...
There a potential for DLH/JB to drop a lot cash in the next couple weeks. There are lot of opportunities.
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I turned down that 1830 at $275G at N.O. .... Its easy to ask anything. It never got justified to me. good luck. perfecto you need to learn coins better and values
Specialist. We know who owns it. He is fishing.
I never said it was for me. I,said it is a pop one and DLH can use it.
1830 $2.50 MS-66 CAC
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-BIQT3
Hansen has an MS-64. Eliasberg had an AU-55.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/early-2-1-gold-major-sets/early-2-1-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1796-1839/129
The Pogue MS-65 sold for $76k
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1830-ms/7670
Close to meeting reserve,
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What I predict eventually is a Cointain size product with micro information on its edge. There will be an album to plug them into as if they were raw. Then we'll be able to hold our coins again. Variety, grade, serial #, etc. There is no need for a date and denomination.
Reserves are handled by the auction company putting the bid one increment below the reserve so that if anyone bids the reserve is met. Absolutely no information about demand can be inferred by where the bid is.
It will be interesting to see if it fails to meet the reserve. If it doesn't meet the reserve, it might give Mr. Hansen more leverage in negotiating a post auction buy.
Some of the responses in this thread truly shows the psychology of the registry playing out at the high end to distort logical decision making behavior.
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