We are back to the Barber Half Dollars. A few weeks ago Hansen picked up top spot from the previous All-Time Finest, Hall of Fame set, Dr. and Mrs. Steven L. Duckor Collection. With this week’s upgrades, he has added the Major Varieties set to his All-Time Finest list. He still trails Bruce Scher’s Barber Half Proof All Time Finest set. Therefore, the collection still has a little ways to go for a Barber Half Dollar sweep.
DLH/JB made two very nice Barber Half Dollar upgrades. The total value PCGS places on these two upgrades are approx. $125,000. This should give you a sense of value for the upgrades that is going into this collection. Both the new purchases have ties to Dr. Peter and Janice Shireman Collection. One of the two has a PCGS POP 1/0 with the CAC sticker.
This Shireman specimen last appeared in Heritage Auctions 2016 January Fun where it sold for $85,188. PCGS grade value for this coin is $95,000. The coin is one of five known MS65 or better specimens. There are two finer. The lone PCGS MS67 and the finest PCGS MS68 Eliasberg-Friend Specimen are the two finer specimens by grade. The coin was described this way: This coin is satiny and lustrous with warm golden toning and unabraded surfaces. The stars and Liberty portrait are sharpLike other known Uncirculated Micro O halves, the present piece is moderately prooflike. This suggests that few pieces were struck, since any later strikes would instead display cartwheel luster. The obverse features light pearl-gray and golden-brown patina. The reverse has similar but deeper toning. Careful study beneath a loupe fails to reveal relevant marks, although the strike is slightly soft in the vertical area between the right shield corner and the fletchings. Evidence of strike doubling appears at the lower reverse.
Provenance: Superior 1/1989:4524 - Superior 10/1989:3770, $20,900 - Heritage 5/2008:743, $92,000 - Harry Laibstain, sold privately on 5/28/2008 - Dr. & Mrs. Peter K. Shireman Collection - Heritage 1/2016:5382, $85,188.
This adds another PSGS POP1/0 to set that previously contained 18. This coin also has Shireman in the pedigree, along with the Hugon Collection. It is the finest certified specimen for 1909 Half Dollar San Francisco coins. This specimen last appeared in Heritage Auctions 2016 January Fun where it sold for $29,375. PCGS grade value for this coin is $29,500. The coin was described this way: Sparkling mint luster is seen over each side, and is evident even through the light overlay of champagne-golden toning that turns to mottled gold at the margins. The only mark that could be used as a pedigree identifier in the future is a tiny abrasion located on Liberty's cheek approximately 2 mm. behind the nostril. An incredible coin that should be examined by anyone interested in the Barber half dollar series.
Provenance: Heritage 1/1998:6947, $12,075 - John C. Hugon Collection - Heritage 1/2005:4254 - Harry Laibstain, sold privately on 1/12/2005 - Dr. Peter & Janice Shireman Collection - Heritage 1/2016:5417, $29,375.
1909-S 50C MS67+ CGS POP 1/0 - Shireman-Hugon Specimen
I will miss those two lovely ladies, but happy to put you over the top as the all time finest ever. What a great collection of Barber Half Dollars, reaching a historic status of quality, grade and eye appeal. Congratulations Del!
@GoBust said:
I will miss those two lovely ladies, but happy to put you over the top as the all time finest ever. What a great collection of Barber Half Dollars, reaching a historic status of quality, grade and eye appeal. Congratulations Del!
Thanks for sharing you were seller. I hope DLH makes a great home for all of his coins. He is certainly off to a great start.
Great to see passion and the pursuit of a goal bring passion back to a sport/hobby. Reminds me of the pursuit of a hitting streak in baseball or pursuit of the perfect season in football, before all of the politics and critiques came into play. Pass the torch and enthusiasm onto the next generation.
Today, we reached 25K views. I want to thank you for watching. I will commit to continue the posting for at least another 25K views. I think the next couple months could be very exciting. I do welcome all the help I can get. If you see something new worthy of posting, please feel free to do so.
I thought this would be a good time to share some of my insights along the way. We know DL Hansen (in his only three posts) gave some of his thoughts and insights. DLH said: I do hope to build the complete collection to 1964 that is in a better grade (than Eliasberg) but will never be as complete. The quest is to make it as complete as possible in the modern era. We all need to focus and that is my goal it will take years if not decades is to fully accomplish this objective. With John Bush now routinely posting, we have some additional insights into the collection’s goals. He describes the collection as Eliasberg Quest.
I personally think of this collection as more than just a Quest to match Eliasberg, or just a better grade. It appear to me, Hansen is on a mission to collect every date, mint mark, major variety, and proof in the US issues from 1793-Present (or as close to every as possible). With the 2018 issues, we are talking about approx. 6300 coins. The collection is already 88% completed. This is a massive effort that maybe no one has ever made a serious attempt to achieve before. Think about this for a minute, there are coins that are required in this effort that PCGS does not have certified specimens. Another way to say, PCGS has not certified a complete set every date, mint mark, major variety, and proof in the US issues from 1793-Present. Hansen has already stated that he did not feel it could be done. He also said, it would take decades even to get close. I guess we will see. Let me try to show what is left. Please note that the updates to the collection are so dynamic, the exact count is constantly changing.
Eliasberg Quest (classic style) - 29 coins left to complete 1793-1964
CS Major Varieties - 72 coins left to complete 1793-1964
CS Modern Basic – 32 coins left to complete 1965-2017
CS Modern Major Varieties – 201 coins left to complete 1965-2017
Proof Basic – 343 coins left to complete 1793-1964 Note: could be most challenging
Proof Major Varieties – 30 coins left to complete 1793-1964
Proof Modern (including Major Varieties) - 54 coins left to complete 1965-2017
Total – approx. 750 coins of 6300. Roughly 88%.
The overall total may be closer to 10,000 coins. It has been obvious that in addition to the 6300 coins that I mention above, his intention all along has been to include commemoratives, eagles, and bullion (i.e. American Buffalo Gold). I have not taken time to count, but I think the overall collection would be close to 10K.
I really thought this to be true before the last couple weeks. Recently, I have seen the collection beginning to expand to include minor varieties and specialty sets. There have been a few of these all along, i.e. the complete Morgan Prooflike set. This week alone, he added three new minor varieties that now lead me to wonder just how big his overall goal is going to be. For me, the more I see that collection grow in scope becomes more amazing.
This is a great, and wonderfully enduring thread, especially when it stays on topic. In October 2017, I interviewed Dell Loy in Salt Lake City. There's no video, but I recorded the audio and some here may find it interesting. (link to video)
Here's the article that was published based on the interview (link to blog)
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"He consigned it or sold it to Wondercoin's son who is Monstercoinmart on eBay."
Paul. He consigned his amazing #2 Mint State Clad dime set to Justin (Monstercoinmart) and Justin continues to post for sale these fabulous dimes. Last week. Justin sold the 1970-P in MS66FB (pop 2/0) on eBay as well (congrats to the buyer). You know how tough that coin is to locate. Justin also recently posted the 1976-P Roosie in MS66FB (pop 2/0). Just 2 coins in FB in ANY grade for that particular coin. I know Justin plans to write an article regarding the clad dime series for PCGS' magazine in 2019. Next week, Justin's article will be on Reverse Proof Presidential Dollars. He sends it over to PCGS in a few days. Justin's two prior articles were on 1903-1912 Proof USPI and Mint State USPI coins. I believe the only bi-national coins our country ever produced at our US Mints that were legal tender US coins. Check out those (2) well written articles in PCGS' archives.
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Hard to believe but there are one or two "quiet" great $5 Lib sets out there. Take nothing away from their owners or the quality of those sets.
I am not sure why this would be hard to believe. There are about 30M coins grade by PCGS, and even more than that by NGC. The coins that are registered do not come close to this number. There are a lot of certified coins that are not in the registery, in addition, I would think there are some nice raw coins out there. So, I have no doubt there are “quiet sets”.
@specialist said:
people here seem to be totally enamored with Delloy, there are other significant players out there who do NOT bang a drum. I am not a player on the 54S, but I think there is a collector out there who will just buy it (not Delloy). there is plenty of real and big money floating around.
Hard to believe but there are one or two "quiet" great $5 Lib sets out there. Take nothing away from their owners or the quality of those sets.
On the contrary, you seem quite perturbed by his collecting. Why is that?
@JohnF said:
This is a great, and wonderfully enduring thread, especially when it stays on topic. In October 2017, I interviewed Dell Loy in Salt Lake City. There's no video, but I recorded the audio and some here may find it interesting. (link to video)
Here's the article that was published based on the interview (link to blog)
Thanks John for sharing. If you have any insights on the collection, please feel free to come back and share.
@JohnF said:
This is a great, and wonderfully enduring thread, especially when it stays on topic. In October 2017, I interviewed Dell Loy in Salt Lake City. There's no video, but I recorded the audio and some here may find it interesting. (link to video)
Here's the article that was published based on the interview (link to blog)
Thanks John for sharing. If you have any insights on the collection, please feel free to come back and share.
I have no insights to share other than what I've published but I think the interview adds a lot to the overall story of Mr. Hansen.
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Hansen is the greatest collector of our time. Just a couple dozen pieces away from history. Simply remarkable.
This statement is NOT true at all. Tyrannt and Simspon are. You can for sure say Delloy ranks among them. I know what Simspon has. He has MORE $5 million PLUS coins than ANYONE. While delloy buy sets for $1-3 million, Simpson buys coins of that value. NOT all Simpsons coins are listed. For example, I totally forgot until I was going through some old paper work, Simspon has the FINEST Gold PR set set 1884-1915. Its not only registry. That set alone is worth tens of millions.
Tyrannt owns the King of Siam set among other items. he has flown UNDER the radar forever.
For example, I totally forgot until I was going through some old paper work, Simspon has the FINEST Gold PR set set 1884-1915. Its not only registry. That set alone is worth tens of millions.
Cool.. Is it certified? Is the set complete in all demominations?
@specialist said:
JB, I sill vote for Delloy to ONLY concentrate on Moderns right now. NO face!!!!
moderns and patterns it is!
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@tradedollarnut said:
Hey JB - the numero uno Eisenhower Dollar set is on eBay
Thanks, Bruce! Far be it from me to chase a modern set, no matter how nice it is...
Hi John, is this set viewed as pre-1982? It appear you draw the line at 82, instead of 1965. Do you not find this set interesting?
I find anything of top quality interesting...it just doesn't seem like the right venue to offer such a set in my eyes...
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This would be a great question for JB to respond. If are thinking that he is skipping the modern high end (1/0), I think you are right. Statehood Quarters may be a good example.
Did Hansen consider skipping the modern sets entirely to focus only on the classic sets which would have been in scope for Eliasberg?
Given the choice to pursue the moderns, is he pursuing those with the same focus on top pops and condition rarities or is it more a focus on completion without the same regard for the registry?
This is a difficult question to answer...I'll do my best.
Moderns: If we define modern to be 1982-Present, I would say that we've done our best to buy the quality that makes sense within a reasonable price range. I've personally never been a believer in buying finest known (or similar) modern coins when millions have not been submitted for grading, for outrageous prices.
Pre-1980s material is slightly different, but completion with the best quality that makes sense is the overall goal there.
As far as completion goes: yes, the focus is the same. As far as quality: I think that this is a moving target due to grading events...
Why would you pick a year, consider everything after that date modern, and then simply not try on the basis that more will be graded? That would be like me saying anything pre 1909 is a classic, therefore it must be expensive and all have been discovered and graded.
Wouldn’t it make more sense for both modern and classic coins to judge each series and date on its own rarity and survival rate?
John, I think if someone on Mr. Hansen’s team did some studying on moderns you’d be surprised with what they find. I’m not at all saying that by buying all top pop moderns you’ll never see the pop increase. I think that if you know what to buy you’ll make out just fine.
Just imagine if someone told Col. Green not to touch “those funny 1913 lib nickels” simply because they we’re modern and more would be found.
The biggest problem with the modern collections is the lack of a secondary market on the wholesale level. I do a lot of buying "product" coins in the modern realm. Probably more than most non-modern exclusive dealers.
However, the biggest issue is the prices that are quoted on the population rarities that drop precipitously as other coins are "made". If the secondary market was stronger it would be one thing, but the weakness or unwillingness of dealers to buy the material back worries me and my first responsibility in these cases is always to the client...
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@jerseycat101 said: Hansen is the greatest collector of our time. Just a couple dozen pieces away from history. Simply remarkable.
Collector? Yes. Numismatist? Not yet. Until he learns a little more about coins, in all jealousy - I consider him a very wealthy family man, with a remarkable goal, who is just buying up many complete collections from some of the GREAT COLLECTORS of our time.
One day, if he stays focused and the money does not run out, he may become what you say he is now.
Currin, of course Simpsons Proof gold is PCGS. He has PR67+68"s. I think he has many PR67 DCameo $20! He also has all the Civil War Dates in GEM Proof. He has so many coins I forgot what he has (like the finest MS gold dollar set). And he can name every coin he has and fluidly discuss them.
After thinking about it, I believe Simpsons collection is more valuable then any ones (Tyrannt is US and World so I am not counting him. I stand firmly by that comment.
@Insider2 said:
Collector? Yes. Numismatist? Not yet. Until he learns a little more about coins, in all jealousy - I consider him a very wealthy family man, with a remarkable goal, who is just buying up many complete collections from some of the GREAT COLLECTORS of our time.
One day, if he stays focused and the money does not run out, he may become what you say he is now.
Definition of numismatist: a person who collects numismatic items, especially coins.
I would actually argue that he's probably more learned about what he has been buying over the past 2 years than quite a few people on the bourse floor at the show this week...
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I would actually argue that he's probably more learned about what he has been buying over the past 2 years than quite a few people on the bourse floor at the show this week...
Well, that’s not saying much. But I’ll bet that in the past 2 years DLH has learned more about coins than just about anyone ever has in the same amount of time.
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@Insider2 said:
Collector? Yes. Numismatist? Not yet. Until he learns a little more about coins, in all jealousy - I consider him a very wealthy family man, with a remarkable goal, who is just buying up many complete collections from some of the GREAT COLLECTORS of our time.
One day, if he stays focused and the money does not run out, he may become what you say he is now.
Definition of numismatist: a person who collects numismatic items, especially coins.
I would actually argue that he's probably more learned about what he has been buying over the past 2 years than quite a few people on the bourse floor at the show this week...
After his association with you, I think you are being modest about his numismatic skills. Nevertheless, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I personally (so it does not matter) feel he is just a rich man who has become interested in acquiring coins. Additionally, I've already posted that I am jealous.
PS One day in the future, I'll be happy to say that Mr. Hansen has become one of the great collectors during my lifetime.
@MrEureka said: "But I’ll bet that in the past 2 years DLH has learned more about coins than just about anyone ever has in the same amount of time.
I was going to argue with this; however, you qualified your post just enough to make it valid. In this "Glut of Information Age," with the addition of a mentor, knowledge can be acquired extremely fast when compared to those who became great collectors in the past.
OK. After Bruce peed in Hansen’s parade, just kidding I have no idea if John was even the under bidder, maybe John can give us some insights at some point. Now, we have the second big count down coin that we can watch. The auction is tomorrow night, so less than 24 hours. The bid on this one has not moved in about week. It will be interesting to see how the live bidding go. Who know, Bruce may try to go 2-0.
Heritage Auctions 2018 August 14 - 19 ANA WFOM US Coins Signature Auction - Philadelphia #1278
1854-S Five Dollar Liberty, XF45 Newly Discovered 19th Century Gold Rarity Only the Fourth Example Known to Collectors
PCGS Coin Guide Price: $1,750,000 Current Bid: $1,860,000
@tradedollarnut said:
I bought it in partnership with a long time Legend customer. Had to confirm how we were presenting it to the public
Congratulations! Of course, how that can mean anything coming from a nobody like me but to be able to put that coin into your collection .....I just wanted to post it.
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
@Currin said:
Sold for $2,160,000. NO LIVE BIDS! Anyone know the winner?
No, but I think there is a clear loser: Brent Pogue. The auction results should permanently kill his hopes of getting $8M for his au58+ 1854-s G$5. $3 M-$3.5 M is probably more realistic.
@GoBust said:
Met Del Roy today at the ANA. What a down to earth gentleman with obvious intense and genuine passion when he talks about US coins. The real Del!
Very Cool, Did he show you anything to can let us in on? For example the 54-s or Walton 5c?
Big update day for The Collection, with 35 replacements. The standout is three $5 that are PCGS graded 1/0. I will try to feature them over the weekend.
JB, I am confused...
You retired the Master sets for Major Varieties. Mistake? Or major focus change?
@Currin said:
Big update day for The Collection, with 35 replacements. The standout is three $5 that are PCGS graded 1/0. I will try to feature them over the weekend.
JB, I am confused...
You retired the Master set for Major Varieties. Mistake? Or major focus change?
How can you tell so specifically when he's upgraded coins in his set? Is there a registry feature that shows you this?
@Currin said:
Big update day for The Collection, with 35 replacements. The standout is three $5 that are PCGS graded 1/0. I will try to feature them over the weekend.
JB, I am confused...
You retired the Master set for Major Varieties. Mistake? Or major focus change?
How can you tell so specifically when he's upgraded coins in his set? Is there a registry feature that shows you this?
Yes, on the right hand column, you can click and see all days with changes. If you click on the set and sort by status (I have to click twice to get the right direction), all updated and new coins will be listed first.
You can see the 3 pop 1/0 coins as the color sticks out.
I still have the 5 regular issue Jefferson nickels he is missing, so he has nothing on me
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dbldie55 describes my process very well. I make assumption that the update is a upgrade. This is correct most of the time. To know for certainity, it was an upgrade, you need a personal database with the replaced coin. By looking at the set, you only know the coin was update (change) that’s all you know for sure. hope this helps.
@Currin said:
Big update day for The Collection, with 35 replacements. The standout is three $5 that are PCGS graded 1/0. I will try to feature them over the weekend.
JB, I am confused...
You retired the Master sets for Major Varieties. Mistake? Or major focus change?
No, no major focus shifts this week...Internet was so bad at the convention center it caused some issues. I’ll have to figure that out and fix it.
Lots of updates from the show, but it’s going to take us some time to get it all updated. It was a long, tiring week!
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Very Cool, Did he show you anything to can let us in on? For example the 54-s or Walton 5c?
Well...we didn’t make an announcement on it, but we did buy the 54-S $5 with another partner. It sold for exactly what we expected.
We were thrilled to purchase it and I have to admit, it’s one of my favorite items, historically, that we’ve ever purchased. It’s a truly significant numismatic rarity and it was really quite thrilling to have been involved.
That being said, there is always more to the Story from the overall ANA show. But, that’ll come later in the week once we’ve had a chance to catch up and get a little bit of rest.
The ANA show is probably my favorite week of work during the year, but it’s ridiculously tiring. I’ll need a few days to recap all of the happenings from the week!
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Barber Half Dollar Upgrades
We are back to the Barber Half Dollars. A few weeks ago Hansen picked up top spot from the previous All-Time Finest, Hall of Fame set, Dr. and Mrs. Steven L. Duckor Collection. With this week’s upgrades, he has added the Major Varieties set to his All-Time Finest list. He still trails Bruce Scher’s Barber Half Proof All Time Finest set. Therefore, the collection still has a little ways to go for a Barber Half Dollar sweep.
DLH/JB made two very nice Barber Half Dollar upgrades. The total value PCGS places on these two upgrades are approx. $125,000. This should give you a sense of value for the upgrades that is going into this collection. Both the new purchases have ties to Dr. Peter and Janice Shireman Collection. One of the two has a PCGS POP 1/0 with the CAC sticker.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/barber-half-dollars-major-sets/barber-half-dollars-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1892-1915/alltimeset/155305
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/barber-half-dollars-major-sets/barber-half-dollars-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1892-1915/alltimeset/155427
1892-O 50C Micro O MS65 CAC Cert 25200593 POP2/2
This Shireman specimen last appeared in Heritage Auctions 2016 January Fun where it sold for $85,188. PCGS grade value for this coin is $95,000. The coin is one of five known MS65 or better specimens. There are two finer. The lone PCGS MS67 and the finest PCGS MS68 Eliasberg-Friend Specimen are the two finer specimens by grade. The coin was described this way: This coin is satiny and lustrous with warm golden toning and unabraded surfaces. The stars and Liberty portrait are sharpLike other known Uncirculated Micro O halves, the present piece is moderately prooflike. This suggests that few pieces were struck, since any later strikes would instead display cartwheel luster. The obverse features light pearl-gray and golden-brown patina. The reverse has similar but deeper toning. Careful study beneath a loupe fails to reveal relevant marks, although the strike is slightly soft in the vertical area between the right shield corner and the fletchings. Evidence of strike doubling appears at the lower reverse.
Provenance: Superior 1/1989:4524 - Superior 10/1989:3770, $20,900 - Heritage 5/2008:743, $92,000 - Harry Laibstain, sold privately on 5/28/2008 - Dr. & Mrs. Peter K. Shireman Collection - Heritage 1/2016:5382, $85,188.
1892-O 50C Micro O MS65 CAC Shireman Specimen
1909-S 50C MS67+ CAC Cert 19806544 POP1/0 – Replaces 1909-S 50C MS66+ POP 2/7
This adds another PSGS POP1/0 to set that previously contained 18. This coin also has Shireman in the pedigree, along with the Hugon Collection. It is the finest certified specimen for 1909 Half Dollar San Francisco coins. This specimen last appeared in Heritage Auctions 2016 January Fun where it sold for $29,375. PCGS grade value for this coin is $29,500. The coin was described this way: Sparkling mint luster is seen over each side, and is evident even through the light overlay of champagne-golden toning that turns to mottled gold at the margins. The only mark that could be used as a pedigree identifier in the future is a tiny abrasion located on Liberty's cheek approximately 2 mm. behind the nostril. An incredible coin that should be examined by anyone interested in the Barber half dollar series.
Provenance: Heritage 1/1998:6947, $12,075 - John C. Hugon Collection - Heritage 1/2005:4254 - Harry Laibstain, sold privately on 1/12/2005 - Dr. Peter & Janice Shireman Collection - Heritage 1/2016:5417, $29,375.
1909-S 50C MS67+ CGS POP 1/0 - Shireman-Hugon Specimen
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I will miss those two lovely ladies, but happy to put you over the top as the all time finest ever. What a great collection of Barber Half Dollars, reaching a historic status of quality, grade and eye appeal. Congratulations Del!
Thanks for sharing you were seller. I hope DLH makes a great home for all of his coins. He is certainly off to a great start.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Great to see passion and the pursuit of a goal bring passion back to a sport/hobby. Reminds me of the pursuit of a hitting streak in baseball or pursuit of the perfect season in football, before all of the politics and critiques came into play. Pass the torch and enthusiasm onto the next generation.
Today, we reached 25K views. I want to thank you for watching. I will commit to continue the posting for at least another 25K views. I think the next couple months could be very exciting. I do welcome all the help I can get. If you see something new worthy of posting, please feel free to do so.
I thought this would be a good time to share some of my insights along the way. We know DL Hansen (in his only three posts) gave some of his thoughts and insights. DLH said: I do hope to build the complete collection to 1964 that is in a better grade (than Eliasberg) but will never be as complete. The quest is to make it as complete as possible in the modern era. We all need to focus and that is my goal it will take years if not decades is to fully accomplish this objective. With John Bush now routinely posting, we have some additional insights into the collection’s goals. He describes the collection as Eliasberg Quest.
I personally think of this collection as more than just a Quest to match Eliasberg, or just a better grade. It appear to me, Hansen is on a mission to collect every date, mint mark, major variety, and proof in the US issues from 1793-Present (or as close to every as possible). With the 2018 issues, we are talking about approx. 6300 coins. The collection is already 88% completed. This is a massive effort that maybe no one has ever made a serious attempt to achieve before. Think about this for a minute, there are coins that are required in this effort that PCGS does not have certified specimens. Another way to say, PCGS has not certified a complete set every date, mint mark, major variety, and proof in the US issues from 1793-Present. Hansen has already stated that he did not feel it could be done. He also said, it would take decades even to get close. I guess we will see. Let me try to show what is left. Please note that the updates to the collection are so dynamic, the exact count is constantly changing.
Eliasberg Quest (classic style) - 29 coins left to complete 1793-1964
CS Major Varieties - 72 coins left to complete 1793-1964
CS Modern Basic – 32 coins left to complete 1965-2017
CS Modern Major Varieties – 201 coins left to complete 1965-2017
Proof Basic – 343 coins left to complete 1793-1964 Note: could be most challenging
Proof Major Varieties – 30 coins left to complete 1793-1964
Proof Modern (including Major Varieties) - 54 coins left to complete 1965-2017
Total – approx. 750 coins of 6300. Roughly 88%.
The overall total may be closer to 10,000 coins. It has been obvious that in addition to the 6300 coins that I mention above, his intention all along has been to include commemoratives, eagles, and bullion (i.e. American Buffalo Gold). I have not taken time to count, but I think the overall collection would be close to 10K.
I really thought this to be true before the last couple weeks. Recently, I have seen the collection beginning to expand to include minor varieties and specialty sets. There have been a few of these all along, i.e. the complete Morgan Prooflike set. This week alone, he added three new minor varieties that now lead me to wonder just how big his overall goal is going to be. For me, the more I see that collection grow in scope becomes more amazing.
New specialty sets added the week
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-complete-variety-set-proof-1950-1958/alltimeset/171586
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-complete-variety-set-proof-1950-present/publishedset/171587
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/franklin-half-dollars-specialty-sets/franklin-half-dollars-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1948-1963/publishedset/171660
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This is a great, and wonderfully enduring thread, especially when it stays on topic. In October 2017, I interviewed Dell Loy in Salt Lake City. There's no video, but I recorded the audio and some here may find it interesting. (link to video)
Here's the article that was published based on the interview (link to blog)
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"He consigned it or sold it to Wondercoin's son who is Monstercoinmart on eBay."
Paul. He consigned his amazing #2 Mint State Clad dime set to Justin (Monstercoinmart) and Justin continues to post for sale these fabulous dimes. Last week. Justin sold the 1970-P in MS66FB (pop 2/0) on eBay as well (congrats to the buyer). You know how tough that coin is to locate. Justin also recently posted the 1976-P Roosie in MS66FB (pop 2/0). Just 2 coins in FB in ANY grade for that particular coin. I know Justin plans to write an article regarding the clad dime series for PCGS' magazine in 2019. Next week, Justin's article will be on Reverse Proof Presidential Dollars. He sends it over to PCGS in a few days. Justin's two prior articles were on 1903-1912 Proof USPI and Mint State USPI coins. I believe the only bi-national coins our country ever produced at our US Mints that were legal tender US coins. Check out those (2) well written articles in PCGS' archives.
Wondercoin
I am not sure why this would be hard to believe. There are about 30M coins grade by PCGS, and even more than that by NGC. The coins that are registered do not come close to this number. There are a lot of certified coins that are not in the registery, in addition, I would think there are some nice raw coins out there. So, I have no doubt there are “quiet sets”.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
On the contrary, you seem quite perturbed by his collecting. Why is that?
Thanks John for sharing. If you have any insights on the collection, please feel free to come back and share.
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I have no insights to share other than what I've published but I think the interview adds a lot to the overall story of Mr. Hansen.
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Hansen is the greatest collector of our time. Just a couple dozen pieces away from history. Simply remarkable.
No, he’s not
No way, just the most overt, right now.
Latin American Collection
Hansen is the greatest collector of our time. Just a couple dozen pieces away from history. Simply remarkable.
This statement is NOT true at all. Tyrannt and Simspon are. You can for sure say Delloy ranks among them. I know what Simspon has. He has MORE $5 million PLUS coins than ANYONE. While delloy buy sets for $1-3 million, Simpson buys coins of that value. NOT all Simpsons coins are listed. For example, I totally forgot until I was going through some old paper work, Simspon has the FINEST Gold PR set set 1884-1915. Its not only registry. That set alone is worth tens of millions.
Tyrannt owns the King of Siam set among other items. he has flown UNDER the radar forever.
For example, I totally forgot until I was going through some old paper work, Simspon has the FINEST Gold PR set set 1884-1915. Its not only registry. That set alone is worth tens of millions.
Cool.. Is it certified? Is the set complete in all demominations?
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moderns and patterns it is!
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I find anything of top quality interesting...it just doesn't seem like the right venue to offer such a set in my eyes...
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2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
The biggest problem with the modern collections is the lack of a secondary market on the wholesale level. I do a lot of buying "product" coins in the modern realm. Probably more than most non-modern exclusive dealers.
However, the biggest issue is the prices that are quoted on the population rarities that drop precipitously as other coins are "made". If the secondary market was stronger it would be one thing, but the weakness or unwillingness of dealers to buy the material back worries me and my first responsibility in these cases is always to the client...
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Collector? Yes. Numismatist? Not yet. Until he learns a little more about coins, in all jealousy - I consider him a very wealthy family man, with a remarkable goal, who is just buying up many complete collections from some of the GREAT COLLECTORS of our time.
One day, if he stays focused and the money does not run out, he may become what you say he is now.
Currin, of course Simpsons Proof gold is PCGS. He has PR67+68"s. I think he has many PR67 DCameo $20! He also has all the Civil War Dates in GEM Proof. He has so many coins I forgot what he has (like the finest MS gold dollar set). And he can name every coin he has and fluidly discuss them.
After thinking about it, I believe Simpsons collection is more valuable then any ones (Tyrannt is US and World so I am not counting him. I stand firmly by that comment.
There is not much going on with Walton Nickel on EBay. Do we know if it will be on display at the ANA?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Definition of numismatist: a person who collects numismatic items, especially coins.
I would actually argue that he's probably more learned about what he has been buying over the past 2 years than quite a few people on the bourse floor at the show this week...
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Well, that’s not saying much. But I’ll bet that in the past 2 years DLH has learned more about coins than just about anyone ever has in the same amount of time.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Auction Update
Sold for $4,560,000. Anyone know the winner?
Stacks Bower Galleries
August 2018 ANA - Session 3 - Rarities Night - Lot 1096
The Finest Known 1913 Liberty Head Nickel
1913 Liberty Head Nickel. Proof-66 (PCGS). CAC
PCGS Coin Guide Price: $4,500,000
Description
http://media.stacksbowers.com/VirtualCatalogs/2018/SBG_1913_Nickel_Supplement_LR.pdf
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Legend bought it
I am not surprise. Congratulation. Cool to have own the famous classic twice. I don’t know anyone else can say that.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
After his association with you, I think you are being modest about his numismatic skills. Nevertheless, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I personally (so it does not matter) feel he is just a rich man who has become interested in acquiring coins. Additionally, I've already posted that I am jealous.
PS One day in the future, I'll be happy to say that Mr. Hansen has become one of the great collectors during my lifetime.
@MrEureka said: "But I’ll bet that in the past 2 years DLH has learned more about coins than just about anyone ever has in the same amount of time.
I was going to argue with this; however, you qualified your post just enough to make it valid. In this "Glut of Information Age," with the addition of a mentor, knowledge can be acquired extremely fast when compared to those who became great collectors in the past.
Well, it was not @Kkathyl. She was going after the Pattern.
Hmmm. That edit makes it read a little different. I wonder if it sells before the weekend.
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I bought it in partnership with a long time Legend customer. Had to confirm how we were presenting it to the public
Auction Update
OK. After Bruce peed in Hansen’s parade, just kidding I have no idea if John was even the under bidder, maybe John can give us some insights at some point. Now, we have the second big count down coin that we can watch. The auction is tomorrow night, so less than 24 hours. The bid on this one has not moved in about week. It will be interesting to see how the live bidding go. Who know, Bruce may try to go 2-0.
Heritage Auctions
2018 August 14 - 19 ANA WFOM US Coins Signature Auction - Philadelphia #1278
1854-S Five Dollar Liberty, XF45
Newly Discovered 19th Century Gold Rarity
Only the Fourth Example Known to Collectors
PCGS Coin Guide Price: $1,750,000
Current Bid: $1,860,000
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Congrats on a re-purchase. How many ultra rarities have you owned more than once?
Just the 1870-S dollar in 62. The allure of owning numero uno and dos at the same time was too much to resist
For safe keeping or a flip?
Bruce and a long time customer partnered it. They have no plans on re sale.
Go JB and Delloy, buy that 54S!!
Congratulations! Of course, how that can mean anything coming from a nobody like me but to be able to put that coin into your collection .....I just wanted to post it.
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
The 54S will be mine.
Don't quote me on that.
Auction Update
Sold for $2,160,000. NO LIVE BIDS! Anyone know the winner?
Heritage Auctions
2018 August 14 - 19 ANA WFOM US Coins Signature Auction - Philadelphia #1278
1854-S Five Dollar Liberty, XF45
Newly Discovered 19th Century Gold Rarity
Only the Fourth Example Known to Collectors
PCGS Coin Guide Price: $1,750,000
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
No, but I think there is a clear loser: Brent Pogue. The auction results should permanently kill his hopes of getting $8M for his au58+ 1854-s G$5. $3 M-$3.5 M is probably more realistic.
I missed the earlier post. I assume dwwest is the winner.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Met Del Roy today at the ANA. What a down to earth gentleman with obvious intense and genuine passion when he talks about US coins. The real Del!
Very Cool, Did he show you anything to can let us in on? For example the 54-s or Walton 5c?
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Big update day for The Collection, with 35 replacements. The standout is three $5 that are PCGS graded 1/0. I will try to feature them over the weekend.
JB, I am confused...
You retired the Master sets for Major Varieties. Mistake? Or major focus change?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
How can you tell so specifically when he's upgraded coins in his set? Is there a registry feature that shows you this?
Yes, on the right hand column, you can click and see all days with changes. If you click on the set and sort by status (I have to click twice to get the right direction), all updated and new coins will be listed first.
You can see the 3 pop 1/0 coins as the color sticks out.
I still have the 5 regular issue Jefferson nickels he is missing, so he has nothing on me
dbldie55 describes my process very well. I make assumption that the update is a upgrade. This is correct most of the time. To know for certainity, it was an upgrade, you need a personal database with the replaced coin. By looking at the set, you only know the coin was update (change) that’s all you know for sure. hope this helps.
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No, no major focus shifts this week...Internet was so bad at the convention center it caused some issues. I’ll have to figure that out and fix it.
Lots of updates from the show, but it’s going to take us some time to get it all updated. It was a long, tiring week!
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Well...we didn’t make an announcement on it, but we did buy the 54-S $5 with another partner. It sold for exactly what we expected.
We were thrilled to purchase it and I have to admit, it’s one of my favorite items, historically, that we’ve ever purchased. It’s a truly significant numismatic rarity and it was really quite thrilling to have been involved.
That being said, there is always more to the Story from the overall ANA show. But, that’ll come later in the week once we’ve had a chance to catch up and get a little bit of rest.
The ANA show is probably my favorite week of work during the year, but it’s ridiculously tiring. I’ll need a few days to recap all of the happenings from the week!
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email: John@davidlawrence.com
2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
Congrats. Good move to buy that coin