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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    41 point blowout by GS.

    WOW!!

    Sweet!

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2018 7:00PM

    I saw a 10 minute stretch and turned it off. It’s all I needed to see. Durant on this team makes them unbeatable

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Curry had a Terry Rozier moment midway through the third quarter, went from throwing up rocks to unable to miss and really ignited the Warriors. Houston looked ridiculous, missing layup after easy layup and turning the ball over as a matter of routine. the Rockets really played terrible.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh boy, the NBA is sending their fixer,Scott Foster, in to "officiate" tonights game meaning Brown,Tatum & Morris will all start the game with 2 fouls apiece,book it.
    http://official.nba.com/referee-assignments/

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    talk about paranoid and conspiracy theories, you're starting a little early.

    hopefully we have a clean, well played game between the two Teams. to be honest, I think that the Pacers set things up with some rough play as a blueprint that really wasn't/isn't necessary with the intent on slowing down Lebron James. it worked well because they have the players for that. neither Toronto nor Boston has an "enforcer" like Lance Stevenson but there has been some continuation of it because it works. Cleveland doesn't really play like that but they have tried to use Tristan Thompson to counter things and Boston, with their planned rotation on Lebron, tends to lean towards using Baynes when that is their approach.

    for the most part both Cleveland and Boston are built on finesse more than power, although both are capable of post-ups and driving the lane effectively.

    after the first Game 1's it struck me that Boston was very similar to Golden State and Cleveland very similar to Houston, at least in terms of how they try to run their offenses. Boston/Golden State have shooters that can collapse a defense and the players who can drive and score in the paint when that happens. Cleveland/Houston have one player that can dominate, so they tend to use isolation more, Houston throughout games and Cleveland more situational. of the four Teams I think the Cavs are the slowest and most susceptible to transition points, so they tend to be more affected by missed shots. looking to the finals as I expect, with Boston against either Team(probably Golden State), there may be stretches of games that are like track meets and when things do slow I expect the ball to be really swinging at the arc as they look for the open shooters.

    the other end of the spectrum, which I don't expect, would be an iso-ball slowdown between Houston and Cleveland. :)

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Celtics are many things. A finesse team ain’t one of them

    mark

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2018 7:22AM

    @keets said:
    talk about paranoid and conspiracy theories, you're starting a little early.

    Scott Foster is the official that the NBA uses when it wants to extend a series. You probably don't pay attention to anything outside of your Cleveland bubble but go look at this guy's history reffing games. In round 2 he officiated one game in each of the Bos-Phi,GS-NO,Hou-Utah series...all 3 games were the only wins that the Sixers,Jazz & Pelicans had in those three series.
    Go look at disgraced referee Tim Donaghy's relationship with Scott Foster especially their phone records on days that Donaghy contacted his bookie when he was throwing games. His call log went bookie,foster,bookie,foster,bookie,foster and so on sometimes with just minutes between each call.

    Losing by 30 pretty much makes how the officials call the game moot but this guy has a history of shadiness whether you want to agree or not.
    I thought Cleveland was going to win this game before finding out at 9am this morning that Foster was going to be the lead official and obviously that hasn't changed but it makes it alot harder for players to beat the other team when you know the game won't be called evenly from the refs.

    talk about paranoid and conspiracy theories, you're starting a little early. <-- this is especially funny coming from the guy that cried about how the Pacers roughed up Lebron for 7 games and not enough fouls calls went his way.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The last nine Celtics games that Scott Foster officiated have all been Celtics losses. There's a chance he calls a nice even game tonight but i wouldn't bet on it.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    mark, I use the word finesse as opposed to power, they tend to pass and cut towards the lane

    no use to re-litigate that Pacers series but that was their plan and how they used Stevenson. just as Boston intended(s) to rotate guys on Lebron the Pacers were up front about what Lance's job was.

    right now I'm trying to find somewhere to watch the game since ESPN has shut me out. I'll watch for Foster, but my thinking is that if what you say is correct he is only calling a foul that takes place and not "letting them play" which is the equivalent of saying "don't call the foul" when it takes place. to my way of thinking I would rather have the former than the latter. in the Saturday game the Boston players really piled up the fouls, most of the replays confirmed them and the players didn't argue. the Cavs did the same thing at a few points, especially the last five minutes of the first half. they seemed determined not to allow Boston to score on layups. free throws, yes, if they make them, but not layups.

    I thought that game was called evenly. I just see it as a case of Boston fouling excessively, you may see it differently.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    mark, I use the word finesse as opposed to power, they tend to pass and cut towards the lane

    no use to re-litigate that Pacers series but that was their plan and how they used Stevenson. just as Boston intended(s) to rotate guys on Lebron the Pacers were up front about what Lance's job was.

    right now I'm trying to find somewhere to watch the game since ESPN has shut me out. I'll watch for Foster, but my thinking is that if what you say is correct he is only calling a foul that takes place and not "letting them play" which is the equivalent of saying "don't call the foul" when it takes place. to my way of thinking I would rather have the former than the latter. in the Saturday game the Boston players really piled up the fouls, most of the replays confirmed them and the players didn't argue. the Cavs did the same thing at a few points, especially the last five minutes of the first half. they seemed determined not to allow Boston to score on layups. free throws, yes, if they make them, but not layups.

    I thought that game was called evenly. I just see it as a case of Boston fouling excessively, you may see it differently.

    I don't think the officiating in game 3 was bad at all. Brown got in early foul trouble but that was mostly because of Lebron going at him on defense.
    You know its a Foster-type game when there are three to four players all with 3+ fouls in the first half. This has been his M.O.

    If you need a place to watch tonight's game you can watch it here,there just won't be any audio from the two announcers and the camera angle is from the top of the backboard on both ends.
    http://www.espn.com/watch/

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Funny how sport media this morning is back to pontificating (I have always been fond of that word) that "The GS-Houston series is over!!!!" and that Houston has no chance to win the Western Conference crown.

    However, if GS does win Game 4 I would.

    If Houston wins Game 4 (entirely possible) the sky will have fallen on GS.

    A similar story line is being played out in the Boston-Cleveland ECF series.

    Ignore the noise, watch the games as they unfold and enjoy the ride.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    eric, I'm currently fasting, haven't eaten since this morning. my plan is to go to the little Brewery about 150' from my front door. although I don't drink they have pretty good food, good size screens and not a heavy crowd. it's where we watched Saturday and they didn't seem to mind(I tipped well :) ).

    I'd rather watch at home where I can multi-task and goof around with the dogs but this'll work.

    Kevin, you should look ahead to the "Finals Schedule" and leave some days open, like Games 4-5-6, for the celebration. Golden State can be beaten but the Team seems to have a gear that gets shifted to even when they don't look like that's what they're trying to do. their 3rd Quarter stats are unreal and at home they may be one of the best Teams in all of Sports. I honestly can't see how the Team, as constructed, doesn't continue to win Championships until some of the players retire or opt out for more money.

    think about it, they have proven they can win without their Head Coach, with a Finals MVP hurt, with a League MVP hurt and with whatever you want to call Kevin Durant, hurt. I think it would take something like a cross between the end of Godfather I and a "Tonya Harding" to stop the Warriors.

    the third quarter stat is the one that gets me. you can hang a 10-15 point first half lead around their neck and they come out in the third quarter and take the lead. how do they do that??

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Keets.

    The third quarter stats of GS are amazing. Game 3 last night was a textbook example. So is the stat that since last year's playoffs GS's record in same is 26 and 4 (16-1 last year and 10-3 so far this year). So is that stat that GS has won 16 straight home playoff games.

    As I have mentioned before, my enthusiasm for GS has dropped off since the middle of last year [perhaps it is because after watching them since moving to No. Cal. in 1986; having the team be lousy for most of the seasons from 1986-87 through 2012-2013; after having playoff success in 2014-2015; after having playoff success in 2015-2016 until Games 5-7 losses to Cleveland; and after having Durant join the team in the summer of 2016 they have turned into Goliath, who most people do not like] and have not followed this year's team as closely as I have in the past.

    I thought that GS played without fire in the belly for most of the regular season this year. Complacency I guess. I wondered if the team would play differently (better) in the playoffs. It mostly has (though the level of play is been very inconsistent compared to last year's steamroller through the playoffs) and I am impressed by how dominant GS can be when it chooses to play it's best.

    If GS does win the series against Houston and makes it to the finals again, I am torn over whether their opponent should be Boston or Cleveland.

    Part of me wants Boston because a Celtics v. Warriors finals has never happened before. It would be great to see two franchises that are over 70 years of age in the league play each other for a title. It would be great to see the talented young players on the Celtics take a shot at beating a veteran team like GS.

    On the other hand I would like to see version four of Cleveland v. GS, simply because there is something compelling about a team with the best player in the game (James) trying to beat a team as deep and talented as GS. If James (minus Kyrie Irving) managed to win another title against this GS team that would be amazing and legendary.

    You are correct in GS, as constructed, continuing to win championships. That would be great for GS fans but not necessarily so for the league as a whole.

    What has happened with GS is an event that will cause other teams to change the way they play. The game is evolving and GS is a prototype. All 5 players on the floor will have to have a skill set that is 100% complete, both on offense and defense. All 5 players will have to be able to play every position.

    I have heard reports that GS is interested in making a run at signing Anthony Davis. If that happened then the current GS team would be blown up. However, seeing Durant, Davis and Curry playing on the same team with Curry being the primary floor general and Durant and Davis receiving the ball in the context of a non stop passing game would be mesmerizing.

  • vintagefunvintagefun Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭

    At this point, in both series', nothing really matters until Game 4 is complete. 2-2 heading back to Boston or Houston and both are up in the air in a 3 game series. 3-1 and I think you can fork the down team.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man as a casual fan who has rooted for all 4 of these teams at one point or another these playoffs I would love to see a game that was relatively close

    m

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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    Man as a casual fan who has rooted for all 4 of these teams at one point or another these playoffs I would love to see a game that was relatively close

    m

    you mean the Rockets getting vandalized by 41 doesn't get you hot and bothered?

    you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tonight will be a very telling game for the Celtics.......can they win on the road against the Cavs.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Missing dunks and wide open shots is not how to win! C's not looking good.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Cowboys could sure use James as a WR next year. The wheels are about to come off the Celtics wagon again!

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Missing dunks and wide open shots is not how to win! C's not looking good.

    I cringe everytime i see Smart start bombing away from outside. He's been in the game just two minutes and he's already missed three shots.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know it's early, but stick a fork in'em! Good grief.......how many missed dunks is that!

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not yet

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    Start warming up the bus.

    If the Celtics manage to win all the home games and that is a BIG if...thus winning the East and facing the Warrior's with home field advantage.....that could get real ugly real quick! Make the women and children leave the room.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Start warming up the bus.

    If the Celtics manage to win all the home games and that is a BIG if...thus winning the East and facing the Warrior's with home field advantage.....that could get real ugly real quick! Make the women and children leave the room.

    I'll take that scenario all day.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Brown,Tatum,Horford & Smart are a combined 3-23 so far. I love that they're trying to take it to the hoop but they gotta finish or at least get to the line.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Start warming up the bus.

    If the Celtics manage to win all the home games and that is a BIG if...thus winning the East and facing the Warrior's with home field advantage.....that could get real ugly real quick! Make the women and children leave the room.

    I'll take that scenario all day.

    So, you think the Celtics can beat the Warriors with the Warriors having home court advantage??!!

    That's a true fan. ;)

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Start warming up the bus.

    If the Celtics manage to win all the home games and that is a BIG if...thus winning the East and facing the Warrior's with home field advantage.....that could get real ugly real quick! Make the women and children leave the room.

    I'll take that scenario all day.

    So, you think the Celtics can beat the Warriors with the Warriors having home court advantage??!!

    That's a true fan. ;)

    I was just happy we'd be past the Cavs lol

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Start warming up the bus.

    If the Celtics manage to win all the home games and that is a BIG if...thus winning the East and facing the Warrior's with home field advantage.....that could get real ugly real quick! Make the women and children leave the room.

    I'll take that scenario all day.

    So, you think the Celtics can beat the Warriors with the Warriors having home court advantage??!!

    That's a true fan. ;)

    I was just happy we'd be past the Cavs lol

    B)

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bet Boston's 3pt percentage is twice as much as their shots in the paint percentage.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    I bet Boston's 3pt percentage is twice as much as their shots in the paint percentage.

    Boston is 5-19 in the paint, 7-17 from three. Not twice as much but still higher.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2018 5:59PM

    All those missed dunks will hurt your paint percentage. :o

    Plus I forgot to mention the missed layups! :o

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That was a BS call. Love's leg forced Morris to kickout.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    That was a BS call. Love's leg forced Morris to kickout.

    So was the call after that when Rozier shot the 3.......he wasn't touched that I could see on the replay.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @erikthredd said:
    That was a BS call. Love's leg forced Morris to kickout.

    So was the call after that when Rozier shot the 3.......he wasn't touched that I could see on the replay.

    true just sucks they took points off the board. Would have been down to 8,then they made a stop then came back with another 2. Lead would have been 6 instead of 9. It is what it is,the calls have been pretty even so far

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Which official is supposed to be so dirty? Is it #42?

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jesus can someone just take it at Love and foul him out already.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2018 7:23PM

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Which official is supposed to be so dirty? Is it #42?

    Number 48. He was fine tonight. If anyone was on the take tonight it was the Celtics. They are going to be kicking themselves for all the missed bunnies and not capitalizing on what seemed like a million Cleveland turnovers. Poorly played game but the better team won tonight

    mark

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You just can't get down 19 to the Cavs at home and expect to win.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I missed the final 4-5 minutes but it looks like the C's could only get it down to 6. Well they better show up ready to play in Boston after these past 2 games.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never count a LeBron James led team out until the clock expires in the game that gives his team 4 losses.

    Boston will be under great pressure to win Game 5.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Never count a LeBron James led team out until the clock expires in the game that gives his team 4 losses.

    Boston will be under great pressure to win Game 5.

    true but i bet we see a different Celtics team on wednesday than we saw tonight. They've already played high pressure games to close out rounds one & two.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought this gams pretty much lost by the Celtics in the first quarter and it sort of exposed their youth. they shot poorly and never recovered, the lead seemed to be between 8-15 for almost the whole game, typically right around 11 point lead for Cleveland. the missed EASY layups early killed Boston and the silly "show up" dunks hurt them, I think there were 3-4 early and it showed on the bench at the end of the first quarter.

    to be sure, the officiating was pretty good. there were some missed calls and questionable fouls, but the refs seemed to get all the important calls right, calls that went both ways for/against both Teams.

    with guys on both Teams in foul trouble the game turned into a chess match with the coaches each trying to get players on the floor who could make a change. I thought Larry Nance had some good minutes and there was a point in the third quarter with Lebron on the bench that the Cavs made an 8-1 run. the for Boston, I think it was the fourth quarter, Tatum got hot with Korver guarding him. for a short time Boston attacked Korver and it worked well but when Lue pulled him off the floor the lead went back up.

    over the course of the game I thought the Cavs out-hustled the Celtics in some key spots. Lebron wasn't very efficient tonight but he still made a few remarkable plays. he made a few errant passes and wasn't getting the assists he usually does but it didn't affect the outcome. I think that will be the difference in Game 5. Boston will come out energized and if the Cavs can avoid turnovers and make foul shots we may get the close game that mark wants.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    two things from the morning after..................................

    --- reading at a few other social media sites it is clear that Boston fans feel put-upon and paranoid about the officiating, several going so far as to say the refs are rigging the games. the comments about yesterday's game are like an echo chamber, these fans think the Cavs weren't being called for fouls while Boston was picked on. thing is, if you look at the box score and the fouls by player that thinking isn't clear. things were fairly even.

    the truth is much simpler --- Boston lost early when the missed that series of first quarter layups and dunks.

    --- no one mentioned it so I will: after playing poorly to start and finishing with decent numbers, Jaylen Brown ended the game with a power slam with about 10 seconds left on the clock and Cavs players standing around the court. it was a rookie bush-league sort of thing to do and the fans booed him as they should have.

    the time to do that was in the first quarter when he missed twice!! add to that being out-hustled by the 37 year old Kyle Korver during the game and that same "old man" blocking two of his shots and Brown should have been embarrassed. I'm sure Stevens will mention it and I fully expect Jaylen Brown to perform well in Game 5, he is too talented and too quick. his fault is that he is also too young and he allowed that to hurt him and his Team yesterday.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did anyone find out if Kyle Korver won the 2017-18 NBA Defensive Player Of The Year award yet? ;)

  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2018 5:47AM

    @erikthredd said:
    Did anyone find out if Kyle Korver won the 2017-18 NBA Defensive Player Of The Year award yet? ;)

    I heard he was disqualified due to HED use.

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LarkinCollector said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Did anyone find out if Kyle Korver won the 2017-18 NBA Defensive Player Of The Year award yet? ;)

    I heard he was disqualified due to HED use.

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    LoL, I'm just hoping he goes back to his boy band by tomorrow night

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LarkinCollector said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Did anyone find out if Kyle Korver won the 2017-18 NBA Defensive Player Of The Year award yet? ;)

    I heard he was disqualified due to HED use.

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    or the teeth whitening drugs

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    here you go again, eric, you can't "face the music" when your Team loses and discuss it, you sink into this mode. sure, they focused on Korver and made him look bad. what about Terry Rozier?? the genius of Brad Stevens kept letting him get switched onto Lebron who ate his lunch time and time again.

    things happen and matchups get figured out by good coaches. we are watching two guys find those match ups.

    I will say this much --- if Rozier finds his stride tomorrow the Cavs are in trouble. the same with Korver, if his shot is falling the Celtics are in trouble because it is difficult to defend. these are two really good shooters, do they deserve our scorn?? I think not

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