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raw 1933-s half just sold for $10k in Czech auction

it looks nice, but wow, strong money for a raw coin

maybe it has booming luster in hand that didn't come through in the photo? does it have a shot at 67?

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  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Has anyone ever seen the eagle's feathers so sharp?

    Wow!

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^ Same thing I thought ... Oh, Walter!

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018 11:10AM

    SF did not have equipment to strike proofs of any kind.

    Detail everywhere is superb --- look at Liberty's face? Rim-field intersection is not square.

    1933-S halves often come with excellent detail - even on the left hand, but this piece is far above any I could find in auction archives.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2019 9:19AM

    Here’s the full size image with auction info I added:

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018 10:24AM

    I think the color helps bring out the detail as well.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never seen this detail before. WOW.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 7,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How did that end up in Czechoslovakia? Was it a presentation piece or royal gift?

  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @giorgio11 said:
    That left (facing) arm looks weird ...

    Kind regards,

    George

    I thought the same thing when I saw the picture. Looks weird.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The right arm is also off-looking in the photo. A higher resolution image of the same photo doesn't reveal anything more.

  • coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I went to Prague to visit my grandmother's sister when I was younger. what a beautiful country, they drink beer over there like it's water

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting - looks almost like a medal.
    Like RogerB said this date normally comes pretty well struck, but this is exceptionally, and somewhat suspiciously, so.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look at the word IN of IGWT.

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  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Look at the word IN of IGWT.

    Hmmm ... more troubling ... I think there is at a minimum a lot of hand-engraving going on ... maybe in a (fake) die rather than on the coin.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect a recut copy die set was used. I.e., a counterfeit.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @giorgio11 said:
    That left (facing) arm looks weird ...

    Kind regards,

    George

    Yep, definitely looks Chinese or perhaps Russian.

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking too good to be true.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A 67 from CoinFacts

  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The left arm on the original coin that sold in auction is definitely off compared to the 67 in coinfacts. The arm looks poorly reshaped and flat compared to the rest of the coin.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018 12:53PM

    Given the arm and other diagnostics, I wonder if this is a reject and there are “better” ones out there.

  • goldengolden Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does not look genuine to me!

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, blew these images up on the Ipad. The IN in IGWT is canted toward the right, and the space is wider at the bottom than at the top. The coinfacts image shows the IN parallel with one another and closer together. Someone just blew 10k on this one.

  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018 12:54PM

    On first glance the eagle's head looked reptilian to me

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On further review and comparison with one I have plus high quality photos. The auction item is a complete and total fake. Made from false dies.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whomever paid 10 grand for this is nuts!

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think someone got fooled.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    can someone do an overlay with a genuine '33-S??

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Enlarged side-by-side would be better.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018 1:22PM

    Nice to have the higher resolution photos to compare.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018 1:27PM

    Two pics from Heritage of an MS-65 1933-S. Portrait and IGWT close up'


    Edited to add: The arm on the OP coin is flat as a pancake....in spite of the sharp strike.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Compare flag stars....

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Makes me wish I had 10k to set on fire. That would be the life.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks as if it is either a presentation piece or possibly a pattern. There is something different in the relief... Looks to be a higher relief with rims that have the appearance of being sharper than usual. I am not convinced it is counterfeit... It obviously needs to be seen in hand

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  • MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 739 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RE: "Looks as if it is either a presentation piece or possibly a pattern."

    No. It's a counterfeit.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    A 67 from CoinFacts

    Looking at the pictures others have posted, I think maybe the funny IN does not mean anything.

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  • gonzergonzer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Besides the flattened appearance of some details it looks like she's wearing a tennis shoe.

  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    The Walker in the OP's post never existed, until it was made.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have found with lighting, shadows and pixilation caused by camera and what I am viewing with, what I think is something sometimes is not. With Mainejim's nice side by side, I think some of the sun rays are wider on the high luster coin. I also see the flat right arm and lack of up and down stripes on the sleeve of that arm of the dull one.

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that $10K US or 10,000 Coruna, or whatever the local currency happens to be?

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  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Feather detail on the left real good but bottom right altogether lacking. Perhaps it was due to original strick. It looks full head but not full strick in my opinion. But then again you usually get one or the other on these. Or I’m wrong.

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