@BackroadJunkie said:
Two weeks to release, and still no pricing info. That doesn't bode well. We might be looking at a hefty premium over a normal proof set...
Really? Unheard of.
You know, the sarcasm in your post dripped off the bottom of your post and into Echoes...
Did it?
Im serious about this, I will go for 2 sets on 1 August.
Sorry if my post was offensive, just stating a fact.
No worries, Echoes. It was more a commentary on Kudbegud's post, lol. I laughed at his post, and if sarcasm was chocolate syrup, it would have dripped off his post, down into yours, and maybe even reached mine...
It's all good. One has to go way out of their way to offend me these days...
(And I'm in for $100-$150 worth, whatever that might be...)
It's also being reported that the EU set will be available at the mint stores in Philly, Denver and Washington DC, but as with the ANA, no details on numbers, pricing or purchase limits.
Two weeks to release, and still no pricing info. That doesn't bode well. We might be looking at a hefty premium over a normal proof set...
Wild guess, 1000-1500 units Philly, Denver, Washington DC each.
Should still leave sufficient amount for internet orders.
First day sell-out? Very excited for this one!
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
I am going to Denver ANA to buy a set or TWO+. I believe the novelty of the set will be a very positive for it. There hasn't been a non Proof S Lincoln since 1974 let alone the other coins. That alone excites me! In big here!! I hope the Mint sells at least a couple to a customer at the ANA. Bet the market eats this set up.
@Manorcourtman said:
I am going to Denver ANA to buy a set or TWO+. I believe the novelty of the set will be a very positive for it. There hasn't been a non Proof S Lincoln since 1974 let alone the other coins. That alone excites me! In big here!! I hope the Mint sells at least a couple to a customer at the ANA. Bet the market eats this set up.
+1
From the US Mint:
This coin set contains 10 coins with an enhanced uncirculated finish using a combination of laser frosted areas and an unpolished field that accentuates design details, creating a unique contrast distinctly different from the mirror–like finish of proof coins. Each coin bears the “S” mint mark of the United States Mint in San Francisco.
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
@pf70collector said:
225K. These will sell out probably. If the big dealers get in they will be gone within a week or two maybe. No household limit either.
I think it will be **much **sooner than a week with no HHL.
No clue why it is now common practice to wait until the last minute to post a price on an upcoming product. It is not metal spot price related so grow a pair and say how much they cost. Really not on the same level as rocket science.
@BigA said:
No clue why it is now common practice to wait until the last minute to post a price on an upcoming product. It is not metal spot price related so grow a pair and say how much they cost. Really not on the same level as rocket science.
It might be the same as the AgAmLib medal that was sold at stupid high prices (currently 3.5x spot). A regular proof set is $27. How much could this be? 40? More? (It would be cool if they sold it for $22.50 (225, get it? huh? huh?) but I'm not holding my breath.)
Regardless, I agree this'll sell out, but with 225K sets, it may take a while even with no HHL's.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what this set looks like in-hand.
Price Announced. Not even a mention in the Federal Register. (Edit to add: "Price posted in the Fed Reg same day, 9/21 @ 8:45am, for an official 7/24 pub date.)
$29.95. Only a three dollar premium. I'm in...
At this price point, I think we'll get a sell out.
@aus3000tin said:
Would these be instant key dates ?
Probably not for the NA Dollar, but I guess it depends on how they finish it. These might be the only dates for the rest of the clad EU set. Maybe.
Also, why not have a special token within this set to commemorate the 225th anniversary?
They're using standard proof lenses. Adding a token would cost real money, having to shuffle around the coins and add a new hole, then design and strike a new medal. (Though it would be cool to have a token like the old mint sets...)
@aus3000tin said:
Would these be instant key dates ?
Also, why not have a special token within this set to commemorate the 225th anniversary?
Thanks,
Chris
It was mentioned earlier in the thread it will be the first non proof Jefferson nickel with a S mint mark since 1970 and a non proof Lincoln S since 1974.
Sales won’t open at the ANA convention until 1 p.m. MT (3 p.m. ET) when the bourse floor opens to the public.
No lines allowed before opening, as well.
The sets will go on sale at Noon ET (10am Denver local) at the Mint Store at the Denver mint. So you could go to the Denver Mint and get your max purchase allowance (if there is one), then go back to the convention and buy your max there...
PCGS still hasn't announced a special label. I wonder how these sets will grade out. It may be a $30 set, but with 10 coins we're talking an order of magnitude higher in cost to grade it. That could get expensive right quick...
With all the press this issue is getting, I might be revising my sell out time-frame down a bit...
I was not interested in these at first, but I'm starting to think they have potential for a decent flip. Low price item, with no order limit, and fairly low mintage for what they are. I might buy 10 or more just for kicks.
Compared to what the mint issued in 1993 for the bicentennial, which included a large bronze medal medal and a smaller silver one, this stuff is pretty boring. The medals had the Dunsmore painting image of "Inspecting the First Coins," on the obverse and a montage of past U.S. coin designs on the reverse.
I have a 2017 silver Proof set. That's enough for me.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Even if the finish on the coins doesn't look great, which I think it will, the fact is there is no other way to get uncirculated coins (penny, nickel, dime, half, dollar) with an "S" mintmark except in this set. I think that alone is worth the $29.95 for the set and will be the lowest mintage coins for the Lincoln and Roosevelt sets throughout the history of those sets.
@Schmitz7 said:
Even if the finish on the coins doesn't look great, which I think it will, the fact is there is no other way to get uncirculated coins (penny, nickel, dime, half, dollar) with an "S" mintmark except in this set. I think that alone is worth the $29.95 for the set and will be the lowest mintage coins for the Lincoln and Roosevelt sets throughout the history of those sets.
These coins are non-proofs, but that does not mean that collectors of modern uncirculated coins are going to want them for their sets. The 1965-1967 special mint sets and 2005-2010 satin finish mint sets were non-proof also, but most collectors don’t include them in their unc. sets. Having a one-off finish provides both unc. and proof collectors with an excuse to ignore them. A low mintage does not make them “must-have” coins.
The lowest mintage Roosevelts are the 2015-W proof and 2015-P reverse proof at 75,000 each. The pair, along with a commem silver dollar, are available for less than $70 in the March of Dimes set.
I partially agree with Overdate's comments. Unlike the 1965-1967 nickels, which were also available from the bank in rolls (no mintmarks) as non-SMS coins, the 2017-s nickel, for example, in mint-state (not proof) will not be available in any other fashion. Likewise, the March of dime set dimes were both a form of proof coin as well, not mint-state. I assume that PCGS will require these "s" coins in the uncirculated registry sets in order to be complete.
@Schmitz7 said:
I partially agree with Overdate's comments. Unlike the 1965-1967 nickels, which were also available from the bank in rolls (no mintmarks) as non-SMS coins, the 2017-s nickel, for example, in mint-state (not proof) will not be available in any other fashion. Likewise, the March of dime set dimes were both a form of proof coin as well, not mint-state. I assume that PCGS will require these "s" coins in the uncirculated registry sets in order to be complete.
I agree that these will be required in the registry, which is why I will need a set (although, I am hoping the major submitters will be selling the nickel stand alone. The no limit will actually help in this regard as they can get the number of sets they want to get graded)
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@Schmitz7 said:
I assume that PCGS will require these "s" coins in the uncirculated registry sets in order to be complete.
Probably in the "major varieties" set, but maybe not in the more popular "basic set", which does not include the 1965-1967 SMS, the 1994-P and 1997-P SMS, or the 2005-2010 satin finish coins.
Notice that the 1998-S uncirculated silver Kennedy half is not included in the basic Kennedy set, even though it is the only way to obtain a non-proof "S" mint from that year.
Does anyone think that if this set does too well, that this will become a yearly release from the USM?
If you are someone like me keeping up with a non-closed modern series (Roosevelt dimes), will this give you another "thing" you need to buy to keep your set/series complete each year?
If that is the case, I sort of hope this set is a hated flop that is one-year only.
I collect 10 cent coins from the Royal Canadian mint the same way, and each year, I question if I should continue keeping current. In the RCM case, I need:
Circulation, Base-Metal Proof, Silver Proof, Specimen Reverse Proof, plus any "specials" they have for the year. Ugh.
@SeatedToners said:
Anyone think the mint's website is going to crash tomorrow at noon?
It shouldn't. With no HH limits there is no need to get all your "friends" involved so less website hits. Want 1000? Just place an order and finish lunch
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No worries, Echoes. It was more a commentary on Kudbegud's post, lol. I laughed at his post, and if sarcasm was chocolate syrup, it would have dripped off his post, down into yours, and maybe even reached mine...
It's all good. One has to go way out of their way to offend me these days...
(And I'm in for $100-$150 worth, whatever that might be...)
Cool!
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
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Wild guess, 1000-1500 units Philly, Denver, Washington DC each.
Should still leave sufficient amount for internet orders.
First day sell-out? Very excited for this one!
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
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punt
BHNC #203
Will probably add 1 for my collection
I'm in for 200. Let's see how it turns out.
I'm thinking a major error like missing mint mark or accented hair Kennedy.
This is so exciting I'm going to need a drink to calm down.
I am going to Denver ANA to buy a set or TWO+. I believe the novelty of the set will be a very positive for it. There hasn't been a non Proof S Lincoln since 1974 let alone the other coins. That alone excites me! In big here!! I hope the Mint sells at least a couple to a customer at the ANA. Bet the market eats this set up.
+1
From the US Mint:
This coin set contains 10 coins with an enhanced uncirculated finish using a combination of laser frosted areas and an unpolished field that accentuates design details, creating a unique contrast distinctly different from the mirror–like finish of proof coins. Each coin bears the “S” mint mark of the United States Mint in San Francisco.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
225K. These will sell out probably. If the big dealers get in they will be gone within a week or two maybe. No household limit either.
Box of 20
I am sure I will need a graded Jefferson for the registry. I plan on picking up a set or two at the ANA.
I think it will be **much **sooner than a week with no HHL.
No clue why it is now common practice to wait until the last minute to post a price on an upcoming product. It is not metal spot price related so grow a pair and say how much they cost. Really not on the same level as rocket science.
It might be the same as the AgAmLib medal that was sold at stupid high prices (currently 3.5x spot). A regular proof set is $27. How much could this be? 40? More? (It would be cool if they sold it for $22.50 (225, get it? huh? huh?) but I'm not holding my breath.)
Regardless, I agree this'll sell out, but with 225K sets, it may take a while even with no HHL's.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what this set looks like in-hand.
+1
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Would these be instant key dates ?
Also, why not have a special token within this set to commemorate the 225th anniversary?
Thanks,
Chris
Price Announced. Not even a mention in the Federal Register. (Edit to add: "Price posted in the Fed Reg same day, 9/21 @ 8:45am, for an official 7/24 pub date.)
$29.95. Only a three dollar premium. I'm in...
At this price point, I think we'll get a sell out.
Probably not for the NA Dollar, but I guess it depends on how they finish it. These might be the only dates for the rest of the clad EU set. Maybe.
They're using standard proof lenses. Adding a token would cost real money, having to shuffle around the coins and add a new hole, then design and strike a new medal. (Though it would be cool to have a token like the old mint sets...)
It was mentioned earlier in the thread it will be the first non proof Jefferson nickel with a S mint mark since 1970 and a non proof Lincoln S since 1974.
Box of 20
Thanks for the catch on pricing. Not as bad as it could have been. Yes, I think you are correct with your "sell out" prediction. Day 1 or 2 possible.
Cool, thought it might be more.
29.95 not bad...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Update for those going to the ANA and wants one.
No lines allowed before opening, as well.
The sets will go on sale at Noon ET (10am Denver local) at the Mint Store at the Denver mint. So you could go to the Denver Mint and get your max purchase allowance (if there is one), then go back to the convention and buy your max there...
coinworld:Multiple venues to debut 2017-S 225th Anniversary Enhanced Uncirculated Coin set
PCGS still hasn't announced a special label. I wonder how these sets will grade out. It may be a $30 set, but with 10 coins we're talking an order of magnitude higher in cost to grade it. That could get expensive right quick...
With all the press this issue is getting, I might be revising my sell out time-frame down a bit...
i love backroadjunkie reports on favorable mint issues.
+1
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
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Mint just posted no household order limits!! Watch these fly out the doors. https://catalog.usmint.gov/225th-anniversary-enhanced-uncirculated-coin-set-17XC.html
I was not interested in these at first, but I'm starting to think they have potential for a decent flip. Low price item, with no order limit, and fairly low mintage for what they are. I might buy 10 or more just for kicks.
What am I missing?
From your link:
Mintage Limit: 225,000
Product Limit: 225,000
Household Order Limit: None>
That's what it has been from day one and from your post on July 2nd
Duh! First time I noticed it, sorry!
Compared to what the mint issued in 1993 for the bicentennial, which included a large bronze medal medal and a smaller silver one, this stuff is pretty boring. The medals had the Dunsmore painting image of "Inspecting the First Coins," on the obverse and a montage of past U.S. coin designs on the reverse.
I have a 2017 silver Proof set. That's enough for me.
One week and counting...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
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It won't be a rarity that's for sure, but maybe be a one-off that won't be produced again which may help the set.
Box of 20
Even if the finish on the coins doesn't look great, which I think it will, the fact is there is no other way to get uncirculated coins (penny, nickel, dime, half, dollar) with an "S" mintmark except in this set. I think that alone is worth the $29.95 for the set and will be the lowest mintage coins for the Lincoln and Roosevelt sets throughout the history of those sets.
I will get one to keep and maybe one to sell eventually.
These coins are non-proofs, but that does not mean that collectors of modern uncirculated coins are going to want them for their sets. The 1965-1967 special mint sets and 2005-2010 satin finish mint sets were non-proof also, but most collectors don’t include them in their unc. sets. Having a one-off finish provides both unc. and proof collectors with an excuse to ignore them. A low mintage does not make them “must-have” coins.
The lowest mintage Roosevelts are the 2015-W proof and 2015-P reverse proof at 75,000 each. The pair, along with a commem silver dollar, are available for less than $70 in the March of Dimes set.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
I partially agree with Overdate's comments. Unlike the 1965-1967 nickels, which were also available from the bank in rolls (no mintmarks) as non-SMS coins, the 2017-s nickel, for example, in mint-state (not proof) will not be available in any other fashion. Likewise, the March of dime set dimes were both a form of proof coin as well, not mint-state. I assume that PCGS will require these "s" coins in the uncirculated registry sets in order to be complete.
I agree that these will be required in the registry, which is why I will need a set (although, I am hoping the major submitters will be selling the nickel stand alone. The no limit will actually help in this regard as they can get the number of sets they want to get graded)
Probably in the "major varieties" set, but maybe not in the more popular "basic set", which does not include the 1965-1967 SMS, the 1994-P and 1997-P SMS, or the 2005-2010 satin finish coins.
Notice that the 1998-S uncirculated silver Kennedy half is not included in the basic Kennedy set, even though it is the only way to obtain a non-proof "S" mint from that year.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Bump
2 days and counting...
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Does anyone think that if this set does too well, that this will become a yearly release from the USM?
If you are someone like me keeping up with a non-closed modern series (Roosevelt dimes), will this give you another "thing" you need to buy to keep your set/series complete each year?
1988+ - P/D/S(pr)
1998+ - P/D/S(clad)/S(sil)
2018+ - P/D/S(clad)/S(sil)/S(enh)
If that is the case, I sort of hope this set is a hated flop that is one-year only.
I collect 10 cent coins from the Royal Canadian mint the same way, and each year, I question if I should continue keeping current. In the RCM case, I need:
Circulation, Base-Metal Proof, Silver Proof, Specimen Reverse Proof, plus any "specials" they have for the year. Ugh.
Anyone think the mint's website is going to crash tomorrow at noon?
Tuesday you mean? There could be a couple hangs and delays.
Just go on about your business now, there is no rush.....
everyone seems to be snoozing on this set. I imagine folks are keeping things quiet to corner the market.
I hope. How many should an average collector buy in case the price pops?
One
In for 10 then
It shouldn't. With no HH limits there is no need to get all your "friends" involved so less website hits. Want 1000? Just place an order and finish lunch
Are the cents in these sets zinc or bronze ?
It's a cheap enough gamble, I'm thinking 2 orders of 2.
I'd buy more if I was going to get any of this graded, but I'm not...
Zinc.