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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,290 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One day PCGS WILL grade his tokens and medals. It will probably take one of you to catalogue them in a book and bring this to their attention.
    As an aside, there are plenty of tokens struck by famous 19th Century die sinkers that are still not recognized by PCGS. It takes time. How many years running did PCGS refuse to slab Civil War Tokens, while NGC had the market to themselves?

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Akbeez said:
    The fact that ICG has and will fairly grade ALL coins or tokens on a MS70 system, as opposed to other TPGs who by "policy" would not, makes them an attractive alternative for these pieces...

    Anacs has started giving overstikes 70 as of lately. Not sure why they chaged their mind, but now all the old 69's look like they must have a flaw even if they don't.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:

    @Akbeez said:
    The fact that ICG has and will fairly grade ALL coins or tokens on a MS70 system, as opposed to other TPGs who by "policy" would not, makes them an attractive alternative for these pieces...

    Anacs has started giving overstikes 70 as of lately. Not sure why they chaged their mind, but now all the old 69's look like they must have a flaw even if they don't.

    I’m guessing the information posted on this thread and an increasing number of pieces slabbed by ICG for them to change their mind. Competition is a good thing.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New piece from the Moonlight Mint catalog!

    These are struck for others so likely not available from Dan directly.

  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @Zoins. Pardon my ignorance, but these come with a silver plug -- sometimes or not? And not available? How does one get?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Akbeez said:
    Thanks @Zoins. Pardon my ignorance, but these come with a silver plug -- sometimes or not? And not available? How does one get?

    Not sure how to get one. Hopefully someone will let us know, like the 2005 ASEs.

  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like the 2019 $100 Union. Its the first of the Winged Liberty designs I picked up for my collection. I was lucky to get 4 of the 100 mintage. I wish I had bought more than one of the 3oz Merlin March 2019 Bar.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 7:39AM

    @dcarr

    Hopefully, you will strike some flat, thick silver chunks similar to this with the image of a coin or your Mint and then punch in the "info." Lot of extra work but a very neat product and "store of silver" that IMO will sell. Decades from now when we are all dead....$$$$

    PS What about some imitations of the 1P and 4P Saudi Discs in silver too!!! PLEASE :)

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    @thefinn said: "That's what ICG does to get people to send the DC stuff to them - put 70s on them, as if it matters."

    This is one of the most IGNORANT posts I have read on CU since joining. Additionally, IMO is really pushing the posting rules of this forum.

    Presently, I grade/authenticate at ICG. I'm only one of the graders and fortunately for ICG, I'm NOT the finalizer. Since 1986, I have written/taught that there are examples of over-graded, under-graded, and CORRECTLY GRADED (the majority at the time they were graded) coins in slabs from all the major services.

    I will put my assigned grade in the computer (sometimes not the same as the final grade on the label) against anyone in the country as far as the coin's actual condition of preservation. On many occasions, this is not the same as the coin's commercial grade! In those cases, I grade the coin commercially and put "my grade" in the comments that can only be seen by the finalizer.

    We received the coins in this post Thursday or Friday of last week. Today is Monday and they just left my desk. They are scheduled to go out on 5/12 (Sunday) so I expect they will be shipped before Friday of this week. The slowdown is because we had to make special labels.

    As for the grades: I graded most of the coins MS-70 while examining them using my eye, and then a stereo microscope at 7X! I could not find anything (hairlines, spots, nicks, etc) on the coins that I sent to the next grader as MS-70 in my professional opinion. I personally do not like the 70 grade and look for ANY REASON to drop the grade to a 69 on any coin to protect future buyers!

    Some may argue that an overstrike can never be a perfect coin because much of the time there is evidence of the under coin that leaves a mark on the "new" coin. They don't work for this company.

    Finally, these Astronaut Concepts ($, 50c, 25c) look just like a coin that could be issued from the US Mint. I'd recommend that you all buy a few while you can!

    I feel honored to make such an impression. We are talking about over struck coins, which are in essence, tokens, just as ANACS describes them.
    They are not coins anymore, which is what keeps DC out of the SS's sights. If they were coins, then NGC and PCGS would authenticate and grade them. That may happen in the future when they decide that they would like to increase their revenue stream, but not currently.
    So, they can be graded anyway anyone wants to grade them. Why not try out the 1-100 grading standard on them. Grade them MS95.

    thefinn
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel honored to make such an impression. We are talking about over struck coins, which are in essence, tokens, just as ANACS describes them.
    They are not coins anymore, which is what keeps DC out of the SS's sights. If they were coins, then NGC and PCGS would authenticate and grade them. That may happen in the future when they decide that they would like to increase their revenue stream, but not currently.
    So, they can be graded anyway anyone wants to grade them. Why not try out the 1-100 grading standard on them. Grade them MS95.

    Haters gotta hate,,,,,,,,, if you don't like Dan Carr's products or having them graded by ICG then noone is twisting your arm to do so.

    There are many of us who appreciate that we can get these professionally graded and encapsulated to protect and preserve them.

    I am one of these people,,,,,,,,

    GrandAm :)
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 12:46PM

    @Insider2 said:

    @dcarr

    Hopefully, you will strike some flat, thick silver chunks similar to this with the image of a coin or your Mint and then punch in the "info." Lot of extra work but a very neat product and "store of silver" that IMO will sell. Decades from now when we are all dead....$$$$

    PS What about some imitations of the 1P and 4P Saudi Discs in silver too!!! PLEASE :)

    I've done some 3-oz and 5-oz bars that are approaching that style:



    The Saudi discs are interesting (I've studied genuine and replica examples).
    Not sure I would do any of those - I have a lot of fantasy-date over-strike coins that I'd want to do first.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pardon my ignorance. Those bars are exactly what I wanted. Guess they are on the secondary market. I'll bet they are going to have a nice place in Numismatic history one day. I expect an author down the road will write about you, your Mint and production. Hope you have some kind of journal they can use for accuracy. :)

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2019 2:57PM

    All of Dan's pieces are documented at his site with final mintages and other info.
    http://www.moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_over-struck_list.htm
    http://www.moonlightmint.com/coin_catalog.htm

    GrandAm :)
  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Pardon my ignorance. Those bars are exactly what I wanted. Guess they are on the secondary market. I'll bet they are going to have a nice place in Numismatic history one day. I expect an author down the road will write about you, your Mint and production. Hope you have some kind of journal they can use for accuracy. :)

    We can both see the writing on the wall... You from a much more advantageous position. I hedging much of my investment portfolio into a greater than 8% annual return over 40 years. I also like the designs.....

    How about you guys get some 50mm holders? I know that whoever can slab the 3 ounce "Union" will have my business.

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Dan I could not resist I just had to go buy one of the 3 Oz bar's! :D

  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 1:05AM

    @burlguy said:

    @Insider2 said:
    Pardon my ignorance. Those bars are exactly what I wanted. Guess they are on the secondary market. I'll bet they are going to have a nice place in Numismatic history one day. I expect an author down the road will write about you, your Mint and production. Hope you have some kind of journal they can use for accuracy. :)

    We can both see the writing on the wall... You from a much more advantageous position. I hedging much of my investment portfolio into a greater than 8% annual return over 40 years. I also like the designs.....

    How about you guys get some 50mm holders? I know that whoever can slab the 3 ounce "Union" will have my business.

    Check this out, I had a 45 mm slab that I reamed out

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 12:30PM

    Nice start Bob, I like that display case.

    Now for a very important question.
    Who are the lucky ones that will be in Denver this week?

  • maplemanmapleman Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Downtown1974 said:
    Thought I would share the progression of my Carr collection that I started in February of this year. The 2018 KOTCT issues got the ball rolling for me. Once I finished that set I was hooked. Love these little pieces of art work!




    Nice Bob. I could use a couple of the cases shown. Can you advise the vendor?

    J

  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,795 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the kind words Chief.
    Hi Jules! The box was a lucky find. I found it at an estate sale for $10. I thought it would be perfect for the 2X2 flips that Dan Carr’s come with. Turns out that slabs fit perfectly in it as well.
    It’s made by the Bombay Company and it is used as a tea chest. I’ve included pics of the same box as mine that is currently on eBay (not my auction). It’s made very well and each compartment is the exact same size. I currently have approximately 35 Carr’s in the box and there is enough room for triple that amount. If you were to do all slabbed coins, it would hold 60 slabs (5 per compartment).


  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 8:58PM

    Well my ANACS package left Denver on the way to Englewood last Friday, 7 miles.
    It hasn't gotten there yet, 5 working days.
    Sent registered.

    7 miles, 5 days ?????
    C'mon USPS.... :s

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:
    Well my ANACS package left Denver on the way to Englewood last Friday, 7 miles.
    It hasn't gotten there yet, 5 working days.
    Sent registered.

    7 miles, 5 days ?????
    C'mon USPS.... :s

    7 miles? Can you just drive them there?

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    Well my ANACS package left Denver on the way to Englewood last Friday, 7 miles.
    It hasn't gotten there yet, 5 working days.
    Sent registered.

    7 miles, 5 days ?????
    C'mon USPS.... :s

    7 miles? Can you just drive them there?

    Wish I could, it took 3 days to go from Alabama to Denver. I could have walked the other7 miles in 1 day..... :#

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019 6:38AM

    @Bullsitter said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    Well my ANACS package left Denver on the way to Englewood last Friday, 7 miles.
    It hasn't gotten there yet, 5 working days.
    Sent registered.

    7 miles, 5 days ?????
    C'mon USPS.... :s

    7 miles? Can you just drive them there?

    Wish I could, it took 3 days to go from Alabama to Denver. I could have walked the other7 miles in 1 day..... :#

    Ah, not 7 miles total, 7 miles for the last leg.

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:
    Looks like the Proof Unions will be available soon.

    21 made so far, $185 each......on the CG Mintage Page

    Maybe those 21 "proof-like" Unions are for this week's Denver Show.

    Hopefully there will be more for sale later on the website.

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  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am so far out of the coin hobby loop !!!

    What and where is this Denver area Show ???

    When is first day entry for public, or do ANA Life 'ers get early admission option ???

    I've seen Daniel at Two Denver ANAs since 2012 ish.

    Help clue in this eager Carr Collector, please ???

    Lindy in Colorado Springs

    @COCollector said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    Looks like the Proof Unions will be available soon.

    21 made so far, $185 each......on the CG Mintage Page

    Maybe those 21 "proof-like" Unions are for this week's Denver Show.

    Hopefully there will be more for sale later on the website.

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LindyS said:
    I am so far out of the coin hobby loop !!!

    What and where is this Denver area Show ???

    When is first day entry for public, or do ANA Life 'ers get early admission option ???

    I've seen Daniel at Two Denver ANAs since 2012 ish.

    Help clue in this eager Carr Collector, please ???

    Lindy in Colorado Springs

    @COCollector said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    Looks like the Proof Unions will be available soon.

    21 made so far, $185 each......on the CG Mintage Page

    Maybe those 21 "proof-like" Unions are for this week's Denver Show.

    Hopefully there will be more for sale later on the website.

    The Denver Coin Expo is this week May 9 - 11 at the National Western Complex, 4655 Humboldt Street, Denver, CO 80216.

    Unless there's a last-minute change, you'll find Dan Carr/Moonlight Mint at tables 215 & 217.

    More info: http://www.rockymtnexpos.com/

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  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the link to the page with the Proof-Like Union
    moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_gold_list.htm


  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LindyS said:
    I am so far out of the coin hobby loop !!!

    What and where is this Denver area Show ???

    When is first day entry for public, or do ANA Life 'ers get early admission option ???

    There's an Early Bird Registration ($50), which allows you access today May 8th 1 - 7 pm. So, you missed that option.

    The Early Bird Registration also allows you to enter at 8 am May 9 - 11. That's 2 hours before the general public.

    Is it worth $50? I've never done it, so no idea.

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guessing the PL Unions will be similarly minted -- 100? Hope there's some left after the expo.

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  • Res1Res1 Posts: 20

    @Akbeez said:
    Guessing the PL Unions will be similarly minted -- 100? Hope there's some left after the expo.

    supposed to have a "somewhat higher" mintage.

  • maplemanmapleman Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Downtown1974 said:
    Thanks for the kind words Chief.
    Hi Jules! The box was a lucky find. I found it at an estate sale for $10. I thought it would be perfect for the 2X2 flips that Dan Carr’s come with. Turns out that slabs fit perfectly in it as well.
    It’s made by the Bombay Company and it is used as a tea chest. I’ve included pics of the same box as mine that is currently on eBay (not my auction). It’s made very well and each compartment is the exact same size. I currently have approximately 35 Carr’s in the box and there is enough room for triple that amount. If you were to do all slabbed coins, it would hold 60 slabs (5 per compartment).


    Thanks Bob, I was at a mega flea market last week and did find some display boxes that were cheaply constructed and only would hold 2x2's.won't work for my stuff. I'll track these down. If found I'll post them here.
    Best
    Jules

  • Farmer1961Farmer1961 Posts: 167 ✭✭✭

    Just received a 1919 Peace Dollar and an Apollo Astronaut Doller struck on a 40% Ike Dollar from Dan today in the mail. Them relief on the Peace Dollar is impressive but the relief on the Apollo Dollar is quite impressive as well!! Once again I am very happy with the quality of Dan's overstrikes.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm wondering about those Bombay Co. tea cases and if the wood in them will render some nice toners over time. They do make a nice display.

    As a Large Cent collector, I hope that the silver center chain cent token is made available reasonably. If anyone gets wind of these being offered, please post it here.

    For anyone who hasn't sampled them yet, the quality on these recent offerings is quite excellent.

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  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,795 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 that’s a good question. The box does have faint remnant odors of Earl Gray. :D

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those trace organic residues can work wonders, I suspect.

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  • maplemanmapleman Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Downtown1974 said:
    @jmski52 that’s a good question. The box does have faint remnant odors of Earl Gray. :D

    Pearlescent lustrous grey toning or something like that... Btw I searched for these and found another make with a glass top. as soon as I find one for less than 70 bucks i'll post the link.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019 2:58AM

    Thanks for the heads up!

    In

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes! Thanks! The west coast gets in first tonight -- WooHoo ;)

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  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Akbeez said:
    Yes! Thanks! The west coast gets in first tonight -- WooHoo ;)

    I hear you! :p

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Merlin 3 ounce bar is officially sold out, Elder pieces as well.

    Me like 'em 3 oz bars.

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019 8:33AM

    Thanks @felinfoel. Good eye !

    This is new also....right?


  • felinfoelfelinfoel Posts: 407 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kudbegud said:
    Thanks @felinfoel. Good eye !

    This is new also....right?

    Yup, I bought one as well :)

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