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  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Quite a few new additions . . . . . including the Commems !!! I had been adding Commems to my Doily Set . . .and several of these passed me by!

    On another note . . . I have been approached by another dealer in marketing a few duplicates . . .and perhaps some unique Type . . . .no big deal . . . but perhaps the Doily market is starting an upswing ????

    Oh well . . .naaaawwwww . . .just my random thoughts. Plastic is crap. Coins rule.

    Drunner

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    I just found an 1880-S Morgan graded MS-61 PL in my teaching set. Cert#7119 61/3122149.

    Edit: There must be several thousands of these waiting to come out of the collections of non-forum members.

    The coin collectors' Pokémon. Catch them all!!!

    thefinn
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Picked this up today.

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Updated the spreadsheet today.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DNADave said:
    Picked this up today.

    That's got to be a rare bird. Very inexpensive coin that would have been more suited to be a SAMPLE.

    thefinn
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Collector1960 said:
    I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458). Does the Cleveland half with this serial number exist? Is there a photo of it that prompted the addition to this census? I hope I don't have a counterfeit!

    Do you have pics of this coin you can upload?

    thefinn
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:

    @Collector1960 said:
    I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458). Does the Cleveland half with this serial number exist? Is there a photo of it that prompted the addition to this census? I hope I don't have a counterfeit!

    Do you have pics of this coin you can upload?

    I think that this situation was discussed a couple time in the old census thread.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm happy to fix if people will post pictures - I don't have hours to kill trying to fix every random inquiry, searching through old threads, etc. .

    Please post the Walker and I'll fix the spreadsheet. It's currently annotated in the spreadsheet.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @thefinn said:

    @Collector1960 said:
    I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458). Does the Cleveland half with this serial number exist? Is there a photo of it that prompted the addition to this census? I hope I don't have a counterfeit!

    Do you have pics of this coin you can upload?

    I think that this situation was discussed a couple time in the old census thread.

    It was brought up, but without pics it is just a rumor.

    thefinn
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @thefinn said:

    @Collector1960 said:
    I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458). Does the Cleveland half with this serial number exist? Is there a photo of it that prompted the addition to this census? I hope I don't have a counterfeit!

    Do you have pics of this coin you can upload?

    I think that this situation was discussed a couple time in the old census thread.

    It was brought up, but without pics it is just a rumor.

    What Walker has the same cert number? Pretty sure I owned the Walker at one time and wasn't sending it in to be corrected. Seems to me that if someone can produce pics of the Walker in a slab/the slab itself with that cert number and nobody can document the Cleveland, then PCGS should remove the Cleveland from the database. There was also a discussion of those types of errors in the past [must have been common for that time], but I've no idea how to search for it.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @thefinn said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @thefinn said:

    @Collector1960 said:
    I noticed the Doily Walker I posted on the old census is listed in this census as a Cleveland Half (SN 9142458). Does the Cleveland half with this serial number exist? Is there a photo of it that prompted the addition to this census? I hope I don't have a counterfeit!

    Do you have pics of this coin you can upload?

    I think that this situation was discussed a couple time in the old census thread.

    It was brought up, but without pics it is just a rumor.

    What Walker has the same cert number? Pretty sure I owned the Walker at one time and wasn't sending it in to be corrected. Seems to me that if someone can produce pics of the Walker in a slab/the slab itself with that cert number and nobody can document the Cleveland, then PCGS should remove the Cleveland from the database. There was also a discussion of those types of errors in the past [must have been common for that time], but I've no idea how to search for it.

    Cert #9142458

    thefinn
  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another proof Franklin

    Bst transactions with: dimeman, oih82w8, mercurydimeguy, dunerlaw, Lakesammman, 2ltdjorn, MattTheRiley, dpvilla, drddm, CommemKing, Relaxn, Yorkshireman, Cucamongacoin, jtlee321, greencopper, coin22lover, coinfolio, lindedad, spummybum, Leeroybrown, flackthat, BryceM, Surfinxhi, VanHalen, astrorat, robkool, Wingsrule, PennyGuy, al410, Ilikecolor, Southcounty, Namvet69, Commemdude, oreville, Leebone, Rob41281, clarkbar04, cactusjack55, Collectorcoins, sniocsu, coin finder

  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭✭

    I just realized this one is not on the list.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinRaritiesOnline said:
    I just realized this one is not on the list.

    very pretty

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Added - thx!

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sandman70gt said:
    Another proof Franklin

    Another recent acquisition... Thanks for posting the pic

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In a sample slab thread, there is a no line doily, was this used much in regular grading?

  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 909 ✭✭✭✭

    I really don't get the obsession with slabs. By all means collect the slabs if you like but I thought this was the coin forum.

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    In a sample slab thread, there is a no line doily, was this used much in regular grading?

    This looks very familiar...?
    Can't put my finger on it ....

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ECHOES said:

    @davewesen said:
    In a sample slab thread, there is a no line doily, was this used much in regular grading?

    This looks very familiar...?
    Can't put my finger on it ....

    it is from your thread - have you seen any coins graded with this no line/no white bottom design?

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:

    @ECHOES said:

    @davewesen said:
    In a sample slab thread, there is a no line doily, was this used much in regular grading?

    This looks very familiar...?
    Can't put my finger on it ....

    it is from your thread - have you seen any coins graded with this no line/no white bottom design?

    Yes, I was trying to being funny....
    No, I have never seen this type of label, other than this type of sample.

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Somebody got into grandpa's doily stash!




    All sold on ebay

    Bst transactions with: dimeman, oih82w8, mercurydimeguy, dunerlaw, Lakesammman, 2ltdjorn, MattTheRiley, dpvilla, drddm, CommemKing, Relaxn, Yorkshireman, Cucamongacoin, jtlee321, greencopper, coin22lover, coinfolio, lindedad, spummybum, Leeroybrown, flackthat, BryceM, Surfinxhi, VanHalen, astrorat, robkool, Wingsrule, PennyGuy, al410, Ilikecolor, Southcounty, Namvet69, Commemdude, oreville, Leebone, Rob41281, clarkbar04, cactusjack55, Collectorcoins, sniocsu, coin finder

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All 4 with consecutive serial numbers - wonder if the original submitter kept them together all these years??

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:

    @ECHOES said:

    @davewesen said:
    In a sample slab thread, there is a no line doily, was this used much in regular grading?

    This looks very familiar...?
    Can't put my finger on it ....

    it is from your thread - have you seen any coins graded with this no line/no white bottom design?

    Weren't those hand cut labels with the rounded corners?

    theknowitalltroll;
  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They keep leaking out of Gramp's safety deposit box . . . . years later.

    Drunner

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But . . . . . . where are those NGC Blacks?????

    Drunner

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DRUNNER said:
    But . . . . . . where are those NGC Blacks?????

    Drunner

    They were sent back in to NGC and reholdered into Whites so they could see their coins.

    thefinn
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    8200882 has a new home!

    I must have missed it, what does the lower case m in the chart stand for?

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    m stands for missing the outer ring - either removed intentionally or by accident.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Many times the outer rings shattered off when dropped on a concrete bourse floor, or became chipped or loose enough that the owners just took them off.

    In some other cases, collectors who desired uniform peripheral measurements would intentionally take off the outer rings so that the holder (same as a Rattler now) could fit for long-term storage in a Rattler box.

    As Lakes has mentioned . . .the 'm' designation means a missing outer ring.

    There is a way to restore those as I have mentioned several times on the Boards. To help a bit . . . and save you PM time . . . here is what to do:

    ---Locate a cheap PCGS 2.0 (look at the main page to identify and DO NOT use a 2.5 or 3.5 as they are rare in their own right.)

    ---The best 2.0 candidates will have a slight instability or crunching sound when twisted lightly . . . they are already loose enough to be pried off simply.

    ---Locate the actual seal line between the upper and lower halves of the holder.

    ---Work a fresh X-Acto blade under and down that seal line while twisting lightly. You will usually find one longitudinal side is tighter than the other . . .work on the other side and the shorter top and bottom.

    ---Work the shell open slowly like a clamshell, allowing the 2.0 (Rattler) to drop out the side.

    ---Substitute the Doily "m" into the perfect outer ring. Add a drop of SuperGlue, and you are done.

    ---Doily restored. Those (not I) who freak out about dinged or cracked outer rings . . . . . have at it!

    Drunner

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just re-entered all of the information posted on page one showing the S/Ns of known Doilies. I verified each number against PCGS's database, and even checked some of the higher grade and more valuable pieces against CAC's certified pieces. There are 854 doilies after removing duplicates and incorrect listings not verifiable vial PCGS. The list is not perfect, just as the TPG's databases are not perfect due to resubmissions, but it is the best we have. I rearranged them by date, mint mark, grade and CAC status is available. I will work to keep it up to date with new information. I had some extra time, and I work with spreadsheets a lot, and it drives me crazy when they aren't quite right. I appreciate all of those that have done so much so far in keeping track of this information. I can made a jpeg file of it if anyone would like it,

    thefinn
  • mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    Oregon Commem
    1937 D MS65 Gold CAC
    5113482

    For sale: http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=search&task=det_item&item_id=515288

    St. Gauden's $20 gold
    1927 MS63 Green CAC
    7337898

    For sale: http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=search&task=det_item&item_id=668217

    Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]

  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On GC recently.

    Bst transactions with: dimeman, oih82w8, mercurydimeguy, dunerlaw, Lakesammman, 2ltdjorn, MattTheRiley, dpvilla, drddm, CommemKing, Relaxn, Yorkshireman, Cucamongacoin, jtlee321, greencopper, coin22lover, coinfolio, lindedad, spummybum, Leeroybrown, flackthat, BryceM, Surfinxhi, VanHalen, astrorat, robkool, Wingsrule, PennyGuy, al410, Ilikecolor, Southcounty, Namvet69, Commemdude, oreville, Leebone, Rob41281, clarkbar04, cactusjack55, Collectorcoins, sniocsu, coin finder

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those CC's will make someone or someones very happy.

    thefinn
  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1891 CC didnt sell

    Bst transactions with: dimeman, oih82w8, mercurydimeguy, dunerlaw, Lakesammman, 2ltdjorn, MattTheRiley, dpvilla, drddm, CommemKing, Relaxn, Yorkshireman, Cucamongacoin, jtlee321, greencopper, coin22lover, coinfolio, lindedad, spummybum, Leeroybrown, flackthat, BryceM, Surfinxhi, VanHalen, astrorat, robkool, Wingsrule, PennyGuy, al410, Ilikecolor, Southcounty, Namvet69, Commemdude, oreville, Leebone, Rob41281, clarkbar04, cactusjack55, Collectorcoins, sniocsu, coin finder

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If a CC Morgan floats your boat, I'll sell you this one for what I paid! :D

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those CC's will make someone or someones very happy.> @Lakesammman said:

    If a CC Morgan floats your boat, I'll sell you this one for what I paid! :D

    Definitely not the high quality or overgraded type of piece normally seen.

    thefinn
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to thefinn for providing a much improved updated excel spreadsheet with verification of grades and CAC status - please see it on the 1st post after the OP by Drunner! :+1:

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If anyone has a Doily slabbed coin that is CAC certified and not marked as such, just post the number and I will update the spreadsheet. Then I will forward the revised sheet to Lakesammman to cut down on his workload.

    thefinn
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rather than post CAC info on Doilies, please PM me.

    Thanks.

    thefinn
  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great stuff . .

    Just returned to the Forums after two weeks teaching runners at Nike -Team Prep in Gunnison, CO. Reviewing now . . . . looks fun!

    Drunner

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just got done making some annotations and updates on CAC status on PCGS Doily slabs, and came up with the following stats:

    42.7% of Doilies are Silver Dollars, of which 87.3% are Morgans and 10.0% Peace.
    Morgan Dollars alone are 37.3% of the population (371 of 869).

    Double Eagles are 5.5% of the population, with Saints making up 30 of 48 $20 Golds.

    Half Dollars are 14.0% of the population with 122 slabs. 53-WL and 56-Franklins.

    Quarters are 2.4% with Barbers & SL each having 6, and 5-Washingtons.

    Dimes are 7.4%, with Mercs making up 82.8% of the slabs!

    5-Cent Nickels are 5.9% of the population, with Buffaloes making up over half of the slabs with 27/51.

    Silver Commems are 7.8% with Oregons and BTW each having 5 Doilies.

    thefinn
  • mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't appear that the two I mentioned on 7.2.18 were updated and placed on the 7.3.18 list. Unless I just missed it.

    Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mt_msla said:
    Doesn't appear that the two I mentioned on 7.2.18 were updated and placed on the 7.3.18 list. Unless I just missed it.

    What are they and I will update them tomorrow.

    thefinn
  • mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    @mt_msla said:
    Oregon Commem
    1937 D MS65 Gold CAC
    5113482

    For sale: http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=search&task=det_item&item_id=515288

    St. Gauden's $20 gold
    1927 MS63 Green CAC
    7337898

    For sale: http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=search&task=det_item&item_id=668217

    Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mt_msla said:
    Doesn't appear that the two I mentioned on 7.2.18 were updated and placed on the 7.3.18 list. Unless I just missed it.

    Saw them and will add them.

    thefinn
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will post the updated spreadsheet, provided by thefinn, at the end of the month, page 1, second post.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2018 5:31AM

    On the BST this AM - already in the census.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sandman70gt said:
    The 1891 CC didnt sell

    I see why. Gotta have a gold bean for that kind of money.

    thefinn
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mt_msla said:
    Oregon Commem
    1937 D MS65 Gold CAC
    5113482

    For sale: http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=search&task=det_item&item_id=515288

    St. Gauden's $20 gold
    1927 MS63 Green CAC
    7337898

    For sale: http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=search&task=det_item&item_id=668217

    I like the Oregon.

    thefinn

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