Got the first of mine today. I haven't purchased anything directly from the mint in years. After opening the 200 layers of OGP it seems that the Mint should issue these with or without the display box and such. The majority of the coins go straight into slabs and all that fluff (nice fluff, no doubt) probably adds $50-100 of expense.
I'm guessing it will come back as a 69. Most of the stuff in the photo is on the capsule, but there is a little streak of what looks like polishing compound between the olive twig and the rim. I haven't decided if I will keep it or not. I'll probably wait until the second one comes. BTW, it would be trivially easy to seal these back up and have it look like it was never opened. Secondary buyer beware.......
It's actually quite beautiful in hand, and the light plays off the "neofrosted" devices rather nicely.
Got the first of mine today. I haven't purchased anything directly from the mint in years. After opening the 200 layers of OGP it seems that the Mint should issue these with or without the display box and such. The majority of the coins go straight into slabs and all that fluff (nice fluff, no doubt) probably adds $50-100 of expense.
I'm guessing it will come back as a 69. Most of the stuff in the photo is on the capsule, but there is a little streak of what looks like polishing compound between the olive twig and the rim. I haven't decided if I will keep it or not. I'll probably wait until the second one comes. BTW, it would be trivially easy to seal these back up and have it look like it was never opened. Secondary buyer beware.......
It's actually quite beautiful in hand, and the light plays off the "neofrosted" devices rather nicely.
Beautiful images, BryceM.
I hope Phil Arnold checks out your work before the TrueView influx.
Thank you. I have the advantage of lots of time while Phil has the constraints of being efficient. The coin would photograph much better out of the capsule, but I'm not really in the mood to monkey with it until I figure out where it's going to end up. Most of the stray lint is on the outside of the plastic but there's a little on the inside too. Alas, nothing is perfect.......
Bryce's coin appears to have better cameo on obverse than mine or others I've seen. Nice! I sure wish they'd left the goddess a bit more voluptuous or "built" as they say. Italians did MUCH better with their 20 centesimi of about 1920.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
Originally posted by: 7Jaguars Bryce's coin appears to have better cameo on obverse than mine or others I've seen. Nice! I sure wish they'd left the goddess a bit more voluptuous or "built" as they say. Italians did MUCH better with their 20 centesimi of about 1920.
mounted on a copy stand with +/- 12" from end of lens to coin
two 90W Halogen floodlights roughly 18" above coin at 10:30 and 1:30 o'clock
tethered computer connection using Canon's EOS Utility software
white balance set with 18% grey card
mirror lock, focus manually set using the EOS software preview zoom feature
ISO 200, F6.3, can't remember shutter speed but probably around 1/1200
cropped and edited (slight sharpening) with PhotoShop Elements
I usually shoot each side with 5 or 6 different shutter speeds and do little "dodging and burning" with my hands on the fly to knock down the light on hot spots. I then pick the best. On my coin the cameo seems to be roughly similar on each side, but maybe a little heavier on the reverse.
Canon EOS Rebel XSi (paid $200) Canon macro 100mm EF 1:2.8 USM lens mounted on a copy stand with +/- 12" from end of lens to coin two 90W Halogen floodlights roughly 18" above coin at 10:30 and 1:30 o'clock tethered computer connection using Canon's EOS Utility software white balance set with 18% grey card mirror lock, focus manually set using the EOS software preview zoom feature ISO 200, F6.3, can't remember shutter speed but probably around 1/1200 cropped and edited (slight sharpening) with PhotoShop Elements
I usually shoot each side with 5 or 6 different shutter speeds and do little "dodging and burning" with my hands on the fly to knock down the light on hot spots. I then pick the best. On my coin the cameo seems to be roughly similar on each side, but maybe a little heavier on the reverse.
Mine has similar specks along with a couple of streaks (scratches?). I'm not sure if I'm keeping it yet. I like the reverse and dislike trips to USPS/UPS...
Originally posted by: Raufus BryceM, Backroadjunkie, Smartdriver-
Those are fantastic pics!!!
Thanks.
Could you please share how they were done?
I used a camera. BWAhahahaha...
I don't do coin photography, other than to post a pic here. I generally don't do close up photography at all. I'm a landscape/panoramic guy.
The coins images are actually taken with my backup cam, a Canon G12 (bought 6 years ago new and the camera's picture count is over 10,500 now), in macro mode. (I haven't used an SLR since 2002 when I traded film for digital. Haven't missed it. Oh, my current cam is a Canon G1X, because it's all about image quality to me, but the G1X cannot do close macro.)
My set-ups are generally embarrassing. Usually a (clean) white terry cloth over my keyboard, with the coin propped up against the keyboard at an angle. The towel gets held up by my monitors for a background if I need a wider angle (for instance, the packaging). The coin gets blown with canned air, because terry cloth is general dusty and you can see reeeeaaaaalllly teeny-tiny things when you come in close. Heh.
Generally uncircs are easy. I use an LED light source, multiple sources if I don't want directional lighting, but most coins look better top or side lit with slight shadows highlighting the devices. (Single type of lighting is important, otherwise you might get odd, uncorrectable color shifts. Multiple light sources are okay if they're the same type of light.)
Because I don't have a proper set-up, proofs are typically nightmares. Same set up as the uncircs, but all lights in the room are off, using the diffused light that comes through the drapes, or some other non-direct ambient lighting. I can literally be 2 to 5 inches off the coin, moving the camera around to find the best spot so you can't see the camera lens, nor other distracting reflections. A fully articulated preview screen is helpful here. It is different for every coin. (See the red at the bottom of the obverse of the APE? It's red because I was wearing a red t-shirt. The reverse was easy because the devices didn't reflect.)
Sometimes that means taking it at a slight angle, which means you don't have a round coin. However, I've used Photoshop now for 20 years, so I can make a square round if I need to. (I don't use the image if it somehow looks unnatural, but usually it's just stretching it a bit.)
I have more than once had to take a second set of images because of unwanted reflections or crap on the coin or the capsule.
Then it becomes routine. Cropping (and insuring the coin pic is actually a circle) and isolating (which is why you can't see the terry cloth background, I generally use a white background with proofs because the fields look black, but a black background looks better with gold); resizing and sharpening (all majorly re-sized images have to be sharpened to some extent); then adjusting levels (gamma) to bring out the details. I find today's cameras are so good at white balancing, I rarely have to color correct.
I do try to keep the images as close to reality as I can, but you are enlarging the coin up 4x to sometimes 25x the original size...
(And it took me longer to type this than actually do all the above. )
If it really bothers you to the point of returning it, open the capsule and blow at it with some compressed (canned) air to see if it goes away. If you're going to return it, call the mint to see if they're going to use the cancels as replacements, and reserve a replacement. (They may not. They may just credit your CC once they get your return.)
I've been thinking about trying to blow out those two pieces of lint in mine, but I'd rather not open a proof capsule... Why is it I get lint in my capsules?
Static electricity and they probably don't use clean facilities when they package them.
My second coin just showed up today. The obverse is perfect. The reverse has a large scratch above $100. If I was the grader I'd bodybag it. If a TPG did grade it, it would probably net lower than PF68. What garbage.
That makes me 0/2 on this issue. They're both going back. It has been years since I've purchased from the mint and it will probably be years before I do it again. If I just gotta have something I guess I'll just try to cherypick a nice PF69 from a show.
Mints price now at $1450, but still unavailable. Got mine today, haven't opened, still undecided on keeping or flipping. By the looks of the ones for sale they don't seem to be selling very well. How's the grading been? Anyone getting any 70s?
Originally posted by: smartdriver Is there any place that will buy my friends unopened box for a premiuM and pay shipping? If not I will return the coin, coin located in Roseville, CA.
Mints price now at $1450, but still unavailable. Got mine today, haven't opened, still undecided on keeping or flipping. By the looks of the ones for sale they don't seem to be selling very well. How's the grading been? Anyone getting any 70s?
Pop Report only shows 25 graded thus far with 7 at PR70DCAM.
Originally posted by: dmasker I did an online chat with the US Mint today. I was told that all returns are melted down. Even unopened boxes are melted. They made 9618 coins, so they can mint 382 more. It was unclear if they will mint replacement coins for those melted. I don't think they will, but the person I chatted with was unclear on that. So the final declared mintage could be a lot less than 10,000.
While I don't doubt you, I think if you'll call the mint, you'll probably get a different answer.
I think they do destroy problem coins, but I suspect they do sell returned, non-problem coins. Witness what they do with the 8900 centennial gold dimes, the majority of which were returns. The mint even stated they were waiting for all the returns to come back in before determining what to do with them. (And we still doni't know, btw.)
Also realize not all coins in inventory are returns. Many are pre-shipment cancellations and those on hold for problem credit cards that are never resolved. There are some 190 APE's in this category right now.
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Originally posted by: smartdriver They missed delivery of the coin today so still have 7 days. Or 8 days if not delivered tomorrow lol
BTW: does the mint have to receive return by the 7th day or postmark by 7th day?
By the US Mint FAQ:
"If for any reason within 7 days of receiving your product..."
So it's when you take possession of the coin, and the mint knows when you signed for it.
Also on the mint web site, "To return your product, you may visit your Order History and initiate a return online or Contact Customer Service."
This is probably what you'll have to do within the 7 day time frame.
Personally, with a $1000+ coin, I'd also video the packing and sealing of the return package.
edit to correct a couple of details...
Oh yea, i never saw that before, must be new.
If you go to your order there is a return button.
it also says: "Customers with a return that qualifies for a prepaid return label will receive an E-mail with further instructions within one business day."
so with the right reason you'll get return shipping...
Where are all of these 9,500 platinum coins give or take? Only 35 PR69 and 18 PR70 so far graded. Yes it is early, but I thought a lot more would try to get in quick with overnight shipping , express grading, etc.
On a related note I see practically zero interest in the last Nancy first Spouse coin. The one order limit seems to have killed its availability in 70 grades from most dealers so far. Last mint sales reports still show less than 1,000 uncs. sold. Very low demand, which does continue to surprise me as they are some of the rarest mintages out there for the long term. Yes some designs were a bit ordinary, but if lets say 100 million people are working in the US and only one in a 100,000 buys one, that is still 1,000 coins. I am surprised the demand is that low.
Just by my rough calculations, there have already been closing in on -200- presales I am aware of for the PCGS-PR70DCAM FS grade coins. And, I probably am aware of just a tiny fraction of all the PR70FS presales. So, rest assured there will be hundreds and hundreds of 70's graded soon. In fact, I would bet a craft beer (with one board member provided the drinking spot for me to cash in or pay my bet was fixed at a future Long Beach show next year) that when all the dust settles and the year is over there will be at least 1,000 PR70DCAM coins graded by PCGS for this issue! And, I think that will be a world record for PCGS for any 1 oz. proof platinum coin in 70 grade since the program started in 1997. PCGS graded modern coins are being graded at record levels the way I see it (great job to everyone working over there), so although I personally hope I am wrong in my estimate of 1,000+ coins in PR70, I am willing to bet one craft beer I am right
As always, just my two cents.
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Well I certainly would not take that bet because you probably submitted a large number of them too. LOL.
I am expecting them to drop from approximately $1,800-$1,900 range to around $1,600 for a 70 when the dust settles. I guess that will be when I will try to buy one. Just like the spouses, there just are not that many actual collectors holding them long term.
Goldminers ... When you say "just like the spouses" .... as I mentioned once before ...
For the first time ever, a set of PCGS 70FS spouse coins will be auctioned off, lot by lot, by a major auction house. That is the August, 2016 Heritage sale. Watch to see the prices those coins fetch in that auction. I personally believe a number of the prices realized may surprise many board members here. The set belongs to a long time board member so I wish him the best of luck with the sale. More on that another day.
As far as the plats go, while I do not dispute the $1,600 prediction of yours is quite possible, do note that a decent percentage of all the predicted 70's to be graded have ALREADY BEEN SOLD. That alone has never happened before as far as I know (to the extent it has). So, is it equally possible that prices will strengthen up from the presale levels on the coins?
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I hope for the pre-sellers sake they have some nice coins in the pipeline. One of mine was PF68/69 and the other probably would have body-bagged for a nasty wipe & scratches. At least the mint paid for the return shipping.
Looks like I wont be getting mine tracking- Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage. United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.
United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
Wow! I have reason to believe that the mint doesn't insure their shipments so do they just eat the funds when they give you a return... I am sure you will get your money back, but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
Originally posted by: freechance Looks like I wont be getting mine tracking- Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage. United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
Wow! I have reason to believe that the mint doesn't insure their shipments so do they just eat the funds when they give you a return... I am sure you will get your money back, but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
I filed a case with my CC. the last time I had a problem with the mint was when an order showed order processed and ready for UPS and the tracking never moved. I filled out multiple CNRs with the mint over the course of a 4-5 months and never got anywhere. they would always say that they can see it never shipped and I should be refunded but I never was. I filed a case with my CC months after purchase and they denied my case saying it was too long ago. I was out about $850 and I never used that CC again. so this time I went right to my CC first
Originally posted by: OperationButter Originally posted by: freechance Looks like I wont be getting mine tracking- Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage. United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
Wow! I have reason to believe that the mint doesn't insure their shipments so do they just eat the funds when they give you a return... I am sure you will get your money back, but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
I filed a case with my CC. the last time I had a problem with the mint was when an order showed order processed and ready for UPS and the tracking never moved. I filled out multiple CNRs with the mint over the course of a 4-5 months and never got anywhere. they would always say that they can see it never shipped and I should be refunded but I never was. I filed a case with my CC months after purchase and they denied my case saying it was too long ago. I was out about $850 and I never used that CC again. so this time I went right to my CC first
I have the same issue on one of the coins I ordered. Mint CS rep could't tell me how long it might take, so next call was to my card company. I like the mint, but I'm not in the business of making interest free loans to them. I do think they have more $$$ than I do. Bet a craft beer that I'm right on that count.
...but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
I filed a case with my CC. the last time I had a problem with the mint was when an order showed order processed and ready for UPS and the tracking never moved. I filled out multiple CNRs with the mint over the course of a 4-5 months and never got anywhere. they would always say that they can see it never shipped and I should be refunded but I never was. I filed a case with my CC months after purchase and they denied my case saying it was too long ago. I was out about $850 and I never used that CC again. so this time I went right to my CC first
I have the same issue on one of the coins I ordered. Mint CS rep could't tell me how long it might take, so next call was to my card company. I like the mint, but I'm not in the business of making interest free loans to them. I do think they have more $$$ than I do. Bet a craft beer that I'm right on that count.
I had to sign for mine.
Originally posted by: ChrisRx
Big update this morning, there are now 280 graded w/ 143 70's and 137 69's.
Sure to continue to rise, and considering the 70's are currently "winning" must be good news for all the "70 pre-sellers" out there.
Remember those numbers are pre-screened coins with only the best being graded. But I will say after seeing mine I figured there'd be a good number of 70's.
In fact, my 1700+ spouse order of 1 unc and 1 proof did not require a signature either. Just crazy.
The mint is violating it's own policy.
Orders with merchandise valued at $300 or more or, orders containing any precious metals will require an auto signature upon delivery.
Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a budget or standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to signature-required Ground Shipping.
Not only did mine require a signature, but they wouldnt let my 17 yo son sign. They said adult signature only (over 21). I check the UPS web site and sure enough they clealy stated "Adult signature reguired". I asumed it was a universal requirement.
2016 American Eagle Platinum Bullion Available to Authorized Purchasers on July 25
WASHINGTON - The United States Mint announced today that it would begin sales of the 2016 American Eagle Platinum Bullion Coin to Authorized Purchasers under an allocation process on July 25, 2016. The coins will be available until inventory has been exhausted.
The coin's obverse was designed and sculpted by former United States Mint Chief Engraver John Mercanti, featuring a "Portrait of Liberty" depicting Lady Liberty looking toward the future. The coin's reverse was designed and sculpted by former United States Mint Sculptor-Engraver Thomas D. Rogers, featuring an eagle soaring above America. Inscriptions are "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA," "1 OZ.," ".9995 PLATINUM," "$100," "2016," and "IN GOD WE TRUST."
The Mint sold 16,900 platinum bullion coins in 2014, the first time the coins had been offered since 2008.
Congressionally authorized American Eagle Platinum Bullion coins provide investors with a convenient and cost effective way to add physical platinum to their investment portfolios. The American Eagle Platinum Bullion coin is available only in the one troy ounce, $100 denomination. As with the American Eagle Gold and Silver Bullion coins, the Mint does not sell American Eagle Platinum Bullion coins directly to the public. The Mint, as with other sovereign mints, distributes these bullion coins through a network of wholesalers, brokerage companies, precious metal firms, and participating banks, a network known as Authorized Purchasers.
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I'm guessing it will come back as a 69. Most of the stuff in the photo is on the capsule, but there is a little streak of what looks like polishing compound between the olive twig and the rim. I haven't decided if I will keep it or not. I'll probably wait until the second one comes. BTW, it would be trivially easy to seal these back up and have it look like it was never opened. Secondary buyer beware.......
It's actually quite beautiful in hand, and the light plays off the "neofrosted" devices rather nicely.
Got the first of mine today. I haven't purchased anything directly from the mint in years. After opening the 200 layers of OGP it seems that the Mint should issue these with or without the display box and such. The majority of the coins go straight into slabs and all that fluff (nice fluff, no doubt) probably adds $50-100 of expense.
I'm guessing it will come back as a 69. Most of the stuff in the photo is on the capsule, but there is a little streak of what looks like polishing compound between the olive twig and the rim. I haven't decided if I will keep it or not. I'll probably wait until the second one comes. BTW, it would be trivially easy to seal these back up and have it look like it was never opened. Secondary buyer beware.......
It's actually quite beautiful in hand, and the light plays off the "neofrosted" devices rather nicely.
Beautiful images, BryceM.
I hope Phil Arnold checks out your work before the TrueView influx.
Those are fantastic pics!!!
Could you please share how they were done?
Thanks!!
I sure wish they'd left the goddess a bit more voluptuous or "built" as they say. Italians did MUCH better with their 20 centesimi of about 1920.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Bryce's coin appears to have better cameo on obverse than mine or others I've seen. Nice!
I sure wish they'd left the goddess a bit more voluptuous or "built" as they say. Italians did MUCH better with their 20 centesimi of about 1920.
Totally agree re: Goddess.
Canon EOS Rebel XSi (paid $200)
Canon macro 100mm EF 1:2.8 USM lens
mounted on a copy stand with +/- 12" from end of lens to coin
two 90W Halogen floodlights roughly 18" above coin at 10:30 and 1:30 o'clock
tethered computer connection using Canon's EOS Utility software
white balance set with 18% grey card
mirror lock, focus manually set using the EOS software preview zoom feature
ISO 200, F6.3, can't remember shutter speed but probably around 1/1200
cropped and edited (slight sharpening) with PhotoShop Elements
I usually shoot each side with 5 or 6 different shutter speeds and do little "dodging and burning" with my hands on the fly to knock down the light on hot spots. I then pick the best. On my coin the cameo seems to be roughly similar on each side, but maybe a little heavier on the reverse.
My photo setup is:
Canon EOS Rebel XSi (paid $200)
Canon macro 100mm EF 1:2.8 USM lens
mounted on a copy stand with +/- 12" from end of lens to coin
two 90W Halogen floodlights roughly 18" above coin at 10:30 and 1:30 o'clock
tethered computer connection using Canon's EOS Utility software
white balance set with 18% grey card
mirror lock, focus manually set using the EOS software preview zoom feature
ISO 200, F6.3, can't remember shutter speed but probably around 1/1200
cropped and edited (slight sharpening) with PhotoShop Elements
I usually shoot each side with 5 or 6 different shutter speeds and do little "dodging and burning" with my hands on the fly to knock down the light on hot spots. I then pick the best. On my coin the cameo seems to be roughly similar on each side, but maybe a little heavier on the reverse.
Thanks so much for the info.
Really amazing work!!!!!!!!!!
These may not even be 69's.
stlll a keeper?
Mine has similar specks along with a couple of streaks (scratches?). I'm not sure if I'm keeping it yet. I like the reverse and dislike trips to USPS/UPS...
BryceM, Backroadjunkie, Smartdriver-
Those are fantastic pics!!!
Thanks.
I used a camera. BWAhahahaha...
I don't do coin photography, other than to post a pic here. I generally don't do close up photography at all. I'm a landscape/panoramic guy.
The coins images are actually taken with my backup cam, a Canon G12 (bought 6 years ago new and the camera's picture count is over 10,500 now), in macro mode. (I haven't used an SLR since 2002 when I traded film for digital. Haven't missed it. Oh, my current cam is a Canon G1X, because it's all about image quality to me, but the G1X cannot do close macro.)
My set-ups are generally embarrassing. Usually a (clean) white terry cloth over my keyboard, with the coin propped up against the keyboard at an angle. The towel gets held up by my monitors for a background if I need a wider angle (for instance, the packaging). The coin gets blown with canned air, because terry cloth is general dusty and you can see reeeeaaaaalllly teeny-tiny things when you come in close. Heh.
Generally uncircs are easy. I use an LED light source, multiple sources if I don't want directional lighting, but most coins look better top or side lit with slight shadows highlighting the devices. (Single type of lighting is important, otherwise you might get odd, uncorrectable color shifts. Multiple light sources are okay if they're the same type of light.)
Because I don't have a proper set-up, proofs are typically nightmares. Same set up as the uncircs, but all lights in the room are off, using the diffused light that comes through the drapes, or some other non-direct ambient lighting. I can literally be 2 to 5 inches off the coin, moving the camera around to find the best spot so you can't see the camera lens, nor other distracting reflections. A fully articulated preview screen is helpful here. It is different for every coin. (See the red at the bottom of the obverse of the APE? It's red because I was wearing a red t-shirt.
Sometimes that means taking it at a slight angle, which means you don't have a round coin. However, I've used Photoshop now for 20 years, so I can make a square round if I need to. (I don't use the image if it somehow looks unnatural, but usually it's just stretching it a bit.)
I have more than once had to take a second set of images because of unwanted reflections or crap on the coin or the capsule.
Then it becomes routine. Cropping (and insuring the coin pic is actually a circle) and isolating (which is why you can't see the terry cloth background, I generally use a white background with proofs because the fields look black, but a black background looks better with gold); resizing and sharpening (all majorly re-sized images have to be sharpened to some extent); then adjusting levels (gamma) to bring out the details. I find today's cameras are so good at white balancing, I rarely have to color correct.
I do try to keep the images as close to reality as I can, but you are enlarging the coin up 4x to sometimes 25x the original size...
(And it took me longer to type this than actually do all the above.
stlll a keeper?
If it really bothers you to the point of returning it, open the capsule and blow at it with some compressed (canned) air to see if it goes away. If you're going to return it, call the mint to see if they're going to use the cancels as replacements, and reserve a replacement. (They may not. They may just credit your CC once they get your return.)
I've been thinking about trying to blow out those two pieces of lint in mine, but I'd rather not open a proof capsule...
Static electricity and they probably don't use clean facilities when they package them.
That makes me 0/2 on this issue. They're both going back. It has been years since I've purchased from the mint and it will probably be years before I do it again. If I just gotta have something I guess I'll just try to cherypick a nice PF69 from a show.
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Is there any place that will buy my friends unopened box for a premiuM and pay shipping? If not I will return the coin, coin located in Roseville, CA.
Ain't got but 7 days to return it, better hurry.
BTW: does the mint have to receive return by the 7th day or postmark by 7th day?
Mints price now at $1450, but still unavailable. Got mine today, haven't opened, still undecided on keeping or flipping. By the looks of the ones for sale they don't seem to be selling very well. How's the grading been? Anyone getting any 70s?
Pop Report only shows 25 graded thus far with 7 at PR70DCAM.
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They missed delivery of the coin today so still have 7 days. Or 8 days if not delivered tomorrow lol
BTW: does the mint have to receive return by the 7th day or postmark by 7th day?
I don't think they pay to much attention to a day or two.
Very difficult to know the true mintage when so many of them go at spot when spot price jumps.
I did an online chat with the US Mint today. I was told that all returns are melted down. Even unopened boxes are melted. They made 9618 coins, so they can mint 382 more. It was unclear if they will mint replacement coins for those melted. I don't think they will, but the person I chatted with was unclear on that. So the final declared mintage could be a lot less than 10,000.
While I don't doubt you, I think if you'll call the mint, you'll probably get a different answer.
I think they do destroy problem coins, but I suspect they do sell returned, non-problem coins. Witness what they do with the 8900 centennial gold dimes, the majority of which were returns. The mint even stated they were waiting for all the returns to come back in before determining what to do with them. (And we still doni't know, btw.)
Also realize not all coins in inventory are returns. Many are pre-shipment cancellations and those on hold for problem credit cards that are never resolved. There are some 190 APE's in this category right now.
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They missed delivery of the coin today so still have 7 days. Or 8 days if not delivered tomorrow lol
BTW: does the mint have to receive return by the 7th day or postmark by 7th day?
By the US Mint FAQ:
"If for any reason within 7 days of receiving your product..."
So it's when you take possession of the coin, and the mint knows when you signed for it.
Also on the mint web site, "To return your product, you may visit your Order History and initiate a return online or Contact Customer Service."
This is probably what you'll have to do within the 7 day time frame.
Personally, with a $1000+ coin, I'd also video the packing and sealing of the return package.
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They missed delivery of the coin today so still have 7 days. Or 8 days if not delivered tomorrow lol
BTW: does the mint have to receive return by the 7th day or postmark by 7th day?
By the US Mint FAQ:
"If for any reason within 7 days of receiving your product..."
So it's when you take possession of the coin, and the mint knows when you signed for it.
Also on the mint web site, "To return your product, you may visit your Order History and initiate a return online or Contact Customer Service."
This is probably what you'll have to do within the 7 day time frame.
Personally, with a $1000+ coin, I'd also video the packing and sealing of the return package.
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Oh yea, i never saw that before, must be new.
If you go to your order there is a return button.
it also says:
"Customers with a return that qualifies for a prepaid return label will receive an E-mail with further instructions within one business day."
so with the right reason you'll get return shipping...
On a related note I see practically zero interest in the last Nancy first Spouse coin. The one order limit seems to have killed its availability in 70 grades from most dealers so far. Last mint sales reports still show less than 1,000 uncs. sold. Very low demand, which does continue to surprise me as they are some of the rarest mintages out there for the long term. Yes some designs were a bit ordinary, but if lets say 100 million people are working in the US and only one in a 100,000 buys one, that is still 1,000 coins. I am surprised the demand is that low.
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As always, just my two cents.
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Well I certainly would not take that bet because you probably submitted a large number of them too. LOL.
I am expecting them to drop from approximately $1,800-$1,900 range to around $1,600 for a 70 when the dust settles. I guess that will be when I will try to buy one. Just like the spouses, there just are not that many actual collectors holding them long term.
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For the first time ever, a set of PCGS 70FS spouse coins will be auctioned off, lot by lot, by a major auction house. That is the August, 2016 Heritage sale. Watch to see the prices those coins fetch in that auction. I personally believe a number of the prices realized may surprise many board members here. The set belongs to a long time board member so I wish him the best of luck with the sale. More on that another day.
As far as the plats go, while I do not dispute the $1,600 prediction of yours is quite possible, do note that a decent percentage of all the predicted 70's to be graded have ALREADY BEEN SOLD. That alone has never happened before as far as I know (to the extent it has). So, is it equally possible that prices will strengthen up from the presale levels on the coins?
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Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.
United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
First Strike Cut Off Date is Saturday, July 30, 2016
Pop Report only shows 25 graded thus far with 7 at PR70DCAM.
Pops
Big update this morning, there are now 280 graded w/ 143 70's and 137 69's.
Sure to continue to rise, and considering the 70's are currently "winning" must be good news for all the "70 pre-sellers" out there.
Looks like I wont be getting mine
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Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.
United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
Wow! I have reason to believe that the mint doesn't insure their shipments so do they just eat the funds when they give you a return... I am sure you will get your money back, but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
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Looks like I wont be getting mine
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Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.
United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
Wow! I have reason to believe that the mint doesn't insure their shipments so do they just eat the funds when they give you a return... I am sure you will get your money back, but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
I filed a case with my CC. the last time I had a problem with the mint was when an order showed order processed and ready for UPS and the tracking never moved. I filled out multiple CNRs with the mint over the course of a 4-5 months and never got anywhere. they would always say that they can see it never shipped and I should be refunded but I never was. I filed a case with my CC months after purchase and they denied my case saying it was too long ago. I was out about $850 and I never used that CC again. so this time I went right to my CC first
Originally posted by: freechance
Looks like I wont be getting mine
tracking-
Memphis, TN, United States 07/15/2016 1:32 A.M. Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandise missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.
United States 07/01/2016 6:01 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
they will not send a replacement and want me to fill out paperwork to get a refund
Wow! I have reason to believe that the mint doesn't insure their shipments so do they just eat the funds when they give you a return... I am sure you will get your money back, but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
I filed a case with my CC. the last time I had a problem with the mint was when an order showed order processed and ready for UPS and the tracking never moved. I filled out multiple CNRs with the mint over the course of a 4-5 months and never got anywhere. they would always say that they can see it never shipped and I should be refunded but I never was. I filed a case with my CC months after purchase and they denied my case saying it was too long ago. I was out about $850 and I never used that CC again. so this time I went right to my CC first
I have the same issue on one of the coins I ordered. Mint CS rep could't tell me how long it might take, so next call was to my card company. I like the mint, but I'm not in the business of making interest free loans to them. I do think they have more $$$ than I do. Bet a craft beer that I'm right on that count.
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...but maybe the mint should ship coins valued 1k and higher with some insurance and a signature.
I filed a case with my CC. the last time I had a problem with the mint was when an order showed order processed and ready for UPS and the tracking never moved. I filled out multiple CNRs with the mint over the course of a 4-5 months and never got anywhere. they would always say that they can see it never shipped and I should be refunded but I never was. I filed a case with my CC months after purchase and they denied my case saying it was too long ago. I was out about $850 and I never used that CC again. so this time I went right to my CC first
I have the same issue on one of the coins I ordered. Mint CS rep could't tell me how long it might take, so next call was to my card company. I like the mint, but I'm not in the business of making interest free loans to them. I do think they have more $$$ than I do. Bet a craft beer that I'm right on that count.
I had to sign for mine.
Big update this morning, there are now 280 graded w/ 143 70's and 137 69's.
Sure to continue to rise, and considering the 70's are currently "winning" must be good news for all the "70 pre-sellers" out there.
Remember those numbers are pre-screened coins with only the best being graded. But I will say after seeing mine I figured there'd be a good number of 70's.
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In fact, my 1700+ spouse order of 1 unc and 1 proof did not require a signature either. Just crazy.
The mint is violating it's own policy.
Orders with merchandise valued at $300 or more or, orders containing any precious metals will require an auto signature upon delivery.
Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a budget or standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to signature-required Ground Shipping.
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It will have the normal bullion reverse, *not* have the proof reverse...
2016 American Eagle Platinum Bullion Available to Authorized Purchasers on July 25
and yes, she is still flawless and bellissimo!
WASHINGTON - The United States Mint announced today that it would begin sales of the 2016 American Eagle Platinum Bullion Coin to Authorized Purchasers under an allocation process on July 25, 2016. The coins will be available until inventory has been exhausted.
The coin's obverse was designed and sculpted by former United States Mint Chief Engraver John Mercanti, featuring a "Portrait of Liberty" depicting Lady Liberty looking toward the future. The coin's reverse was designed and sculpted by former United States Mint Sculptor-Engraver Thomas D. Rogers, featuring an eagle soaring above America. Inscriptions are "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA," "1 OZ.," ".9995 PLATINUM," "$100," "2016," and "IN GOD WE TRUST."
The Mint sold 16,900 platinum bullion coins in 2014, the first time the coins had been offered since 2008.
Congressionally authorized American Eagle Platinum Bullion coins provide investors with a convenient and cost effective way to add physical platinum to their investment portfolios. The American Eagle Platinum Bullion coin is available only in the one troy ounce, $100 denomination. As with the American Eagle Gold and Silver Bullion coins, the Mint does not sell American Eagle Platinum Bullion coins directly to the public. The Mint, as with other sovereign mints, distributes these bullion coins through a network of wholesalers, brokerage companies, precious metal firms, and participating banks, a network known as Authorized Purchasers.
Pop Report only shows 25 graded thus far with 7 at PR70DCAM.
Pops
Big update this morning, there are now 280 graded w/ 143 70's and 137 69's.
Sure to continue to rise, and considering the 70's are currently "winning" must be good news for all the "70 pre-sellers" out there.
Mercanti and David Hall sure got a lot of 70's.....just sayin'.