For those that wanted to see that last card... here she is in all her off-center glory. I still can't wrap my head around this.. that Clemente was tucked between this guy and the Baumholtz. Just crazy.
I just went through this thread again and it was just as great as last night. What are the odds of pulling a centered Clemente during a run of off centered cards? The fact that you pulled two Mays in the same pack is mind blowing. It appears that the back of the Clemente is centered better than the front. Unbelievable. Fingers crossed for solid grades from PSA. Good luck.
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First...thank you for sharing the rip with us. I saw this thread yesterday afternoon ...before you ripped it. Before going to bed last night...I checked to see how you had done. It was very enjoyable scrolling down the thread and seeing each card in the pack one by one. It must have been very disappointing to pull two Willie Mays cards...only to find them off centered. Card after card...the centering stayed consistent...badly off centered. Then...just as it appeared you had taken a considerable loss...a centered card appears...AND amazingly it is a Clemente rookie...a card in the 1955 set that is NOTORIOUSLY off centered! I did not believe what my eyes had just seen...congrats on the hit! Despite the dirty ink line...the card presents incredibly well. Pack fresh look with sharp corners...and very nice color...and darn good centering. I also like how bright the back of the card looks...no yellowing. When I awoke this morning...I checked the thread again...just to make sure I had not dreamt this rip. Again...congrats on the pull...you have a lot of guts ripping a $2k dollar pack. I am glad you awarded for taking the risk. Do you plan to keep it or sell it?
Anybody dare guess a grade? My guess 9PD or straight 8.
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1980s collector...I agree with your assessment. 9pd or straight 8. I would only deduct one grade for the single print line since the card scores so high in all other areas. Great eye appeal!
The majority of you guys have more experience than me but I don't see how it doesn't get a PD distinction...I've seen better get a PD...To me a PSA 9PD with the eye appeal on that would be phenomonal. Still just so blown away at all aspects of the luck on scoring that card with the centering amongst all heavy OCs, oh and it was Clemente...If I didn't watch in real time I wouldn't believe it.
I don't see how that Clemente will get a straight 8. The print line is too large to be ignored at the 8 level. Maybe a straight 7 but I'd definitely take the qualifier and go for a 9.
Originally posted by: belz Still just so blown away at all aspects of the luck on scoring that card with the centering amongst all heavy OCs, oh and it was Clemente...If I didn't watch in real time I wouldn't believe it.
Honestly, that's what my mind keeps coming back to. We didn't really watch it in real time. We "watched" as scans were posted, but there is no video to accompany this break. How did that card end up packaged with those cards. The characteristics of the Clemente when compared to the characteristics of the other 19 cards almost couldn't be more night and day.
* dead centered, front and back, vs 95/5 or miscut on the rest
* registration off on the Clemente but not on the others
* roller marks on the Clemente but not on any other card
I'm a little surprised this isn't being talked about. Seems a little like it might be the elephant in the room. I have no relationship with the OP, no axe to grind. Without the Clemente it would still have been an absolutely amazing break. However, that particular card just doesn't seem to fit with that cello.
I really, really want to believe all of these cards came from the same pack. I hope I'm not just being my usual cynical self.
I say straight psa 7. That's the last card I need for my Clemente basic set. You can send it to me- thanks
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Originally posted by: belz Still just so blown away at all aspects of the luck on scoring that card with the centering amongst all heavy OCs, oh and it was Clemente...If I didn't watch in real time I wouldn't believe it.
Honestly, that's what my mind keeps coming back to. How did that card end up packaged with those cards. The characteristics of the Clemente when compared to the characteristics of the other 19 cards almost couldn't be more night and day.
I'm guessing the sequence broke right before that one. The last card doesn't fit in with the rest of the pack either with the direction it was miscut.
I was blown away by the sheer guts it takes to rip the pack. But am now just left in stunned, shocked disbelief. Floored, just floored. Thank god you decided to post it. The suspense of going card by card made it so much sweeter for the audience here. Congratulations on an amazing experience.
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I've had the same thought, Geordie. I'm a skeptic by nature too, but holding hope that this is completely legit for how epic this would be. The OP has major marbles to bust a pack like that.
It's interesting when you look at the pack from the Huggins auction. You can see a pattern in how the cards lay in the pack - almost like a vending pattern in the pack. It seems to reason to assume that these would represent sequence breaks? Eventhough we didn't get exact sequence replication in front of the 2nd Mays, the condition definitely fits. The last sequence in the pack seems to only be two or three cards deep. Could they have been packaged in a different manner than the rest of the pack? Quality control certainly wasn't a huge priority back then.
I showed my buddy this thread, he's not a collector at all (more of a gambler) and he's now trying to convince me to go halfsies on a vintage pack lol.
Originally posted by: belz Still just so blown away at all aspects of the luck on scoring that card with the centering amongst all heavy OCs, oh and it was Clemente...If I didn't watch in real time I wouldn't believe it.
Honestly, that's what my mind keeps coming back to. We didn't really watch it in real time. We "watched" as scans were posted, but there is no video to accompany this break. How did that card end up packaged with those cards. The characteristics of the Clemente when compared to the characteristics of the other 19 cards almost couldn't be more night and day.
* dead centered, front and back, vs 95/5 or miscut on the rest
* registration off on the Clemente but not on the others
* roller marks on the Clemente but not on any other card
I'm a little surprised this isn't being talked about. Seems a little like it might be the elephant in the room. I have no relationship with the OP, no axe to grind. Without the Clemente it would still have been an absolutely amazing break. However, that particular card just doesn't seem to fit with that cello.
I really, really want to believe all of these cards came from the same pack. I hope I'm not just being my usual cynical self.
If I were to ever rip a 4 figure pack you can guarantee it would be on tape lol. I hope he gets a 8-9 and this thread has a happy ending but I hear what your saying.
The bottom of the Johnny Riddle card I thought might be a part of a Harmon Killebrew rookie! But might just be Bunky Stewart. I looked up some sheets to see but couldn't find one with Killebrew or Riddle. Looks like a Washington Nationals card for sure.
Originally posted by: kingbeeswax The bottom of the Johnny Riddle card I thought might be a part of a Harmon Killebrew rookie! But might just be Bunky Stewart. I looked up some sheets to see but couldn't find one with Killebrew or Riddle. Looks like a Washington Nationals card for sure.
I thought the same thing regarding Killebrew. It may have been wishful thinking and in a world where you can pull two Mays and a Clemente in the same '55 pack why not add in a Killebrew also?
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
If the Clemente is notoriously OC thiis pack makes perfect sense. When a pack is centered properly you get a Clemente that is grossly OC. You get a pack that is largely OC you get a centered Clemente. That is my theory anyway.
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Originally posted by: 1980scollector If the Clemente is notoriously OC thiis pack makes perfect sense. When a pack is centered properly you get a Clemente that is grossly OC. You get a pack that is largely OC you get a centered Clemente. That is my theory anyway.
Mine too- and one proved by uncut sheets.
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Greatest. Rip. Ever.
Wait a minute, Anthony, you forgot about Manny's rip! LOL..
lol, I watch the video of Manny's rip every few months. He's having so much fun it's impossible to watch without smiling.
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Well except my epic rip-----
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
-George F. Will
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
I really want to be happy for Josh.....but......
Does anyone have a link to Manny's that they could post please?
Shane
I think you need to win the 1957 Basketball pack in the SCP Auction. I'm sure there is a Russell in there just waiting for you to pull!
with TWO Milwaukee Braves.
Great break. Maybe write to Topps to complain about the collation and see what they say.
I bet they offer to buy the pack back from him...for a nickel!
...before you ripped it. Before going to bed last night...I checked to see how
you had done. It was very enjoyable scrolling down the thread and seeing each card in the pack one by one. It must have been very disappointing to pull two Willie Mays cards...only to find them off centered. Card after card...the centering stayed consistent...badly off centered. Then...just as it appeared you had taken a considerable loss...a centered card appears...AND amazingly it is a Clemente rookie...a card in the 1955 set that is NOTORIOUSLY off centered!
I did not believe what my eyes had just seen...congrats on the hit! Despite the dirty ink line...the card presents incredibly well. Pack fresh look with sharp corners...and very nice color...and darn good centering. I also like how bright the back of the card looks...no yellowing. When I awoke this morning...I checked the thread again...just to make sure I had not dreamt this rip. Again...congrats on the pull...you have a lot of guts ripping a $2k dollar pack. I am glad you awarded for taking the risk. Do you plan to keep it or sell it?
Monte
I think you're good here, J. lol
24 hrs later and I still haven't quite wrapped my mind around this one. You may have single-handedly galvanized unopened prices after yesterday.
8(PD) seems logical. Maybe a straight 6.5
I've been wrong before. Very wrong.
Still just so blown away at all aspects of the luck on scoring that card with the centering amongst all heavy OCs, oh and it was Clemente...If I didn't watch in real time I wouldn't believe it.
Honestly, that's what my mind keeps coming back to. We didn't really watch it in real time. We "watched" as scans were posted, but there is no video to accompany this break. How did that card end up packaged with those cards. The characteristics of the Clemente when compared to the characteristics of the other 19 cards almost couldn't be more night and day.
* dead centered, front and back, vs 95/5 or miscut on the rest
* registration off on the Clemente but not on the others
* roller marks on the Clemente but not on any other card
I'm a little surprised this isn't being talked about. Seems a little like it might be the elephant in the room. I have no relationship with the OP, no axe to grind. Without the Clemente it would still have been an absolutely amazing break. However, that particular card just doesn't seem to fit with that cello.
I really, really want to believe all of these cards came from the same pack. I hope I'm not just being my usual cynical self.
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Still just so blown away at all aspects of the luck on scoring that card with the centering amongst all heavy OCs, oh and it was Clemente...If I didn't watch in real time I wouldn't believe it.
Honestly, that's what my mind keeps coming back to. How did that card end up packaged with those cards. The characteristics of the Clemente when compared to the characteristics of the other 19 cards almost couldn't be more night and day.
I'm guessing the sequence broke right before that one. The last card doesn't fit in with the rest of the pack either with the direction it was miscut.
It's interesting when you look at the pack from the Huggins auction. You can see a pattern in how the cards lay in the pack - almost like a vending pattern in the pack. It seems to reason to assume that these would represent sequence breaks? Eventhough we didn't get exact sequence replication in front of the 2nd Mays, the condition definitely fits. The last sequence in the pack seems to only be two or three cards deep. Could they have been packaged in a different manner than the rest of the pack? Quality control certainly wasn't a huge priority back then.
I showed my buddy this thread, he's not a collector at all (more of a gambler) and he's now trying to convince me to go halfsies on a vintage pack lol.
Still just so blown away at all aspects of the luck on scoring that card with the centering amongst all heavy OCs, oh and it was Clemente...If I didn't watch in real time I wouldn't believe it.
Honestly, that's what my mind keeps coming back to. We didn't really watch it in real time. We "watched" as scans were posted, but there is no video to accompany this break. How did that card end up packaged with those cards. The characteristics of the Clemente when compared to the characteristics of the other 19 cards almost couldn't be more night and day.
* dead centered, front and back, vs 95/5 or miscut on the rest
* registration off on the Clemente but not on the others
* roller marks on the Clemente but not on any other card
I'm a little surprised this isn't being talked about. Seems a little like it might be the elephant in the room. I have no relationship with the OP, no axe to grind. Without the Clemente it would still have been an absolutely amazing break. However, that particular card just doesn't seem to fit with that cello.
I really, really want to believe all of these cards came from the same pack. I hope I'm not just being my usual cynical self.
If I were to ever rip a 4 figure pack you can guarantee it would be on tape lol. I hope he gets a 8-9 and this thread has a happy ending but I hear what your saying.
I too would go with the possible Qualifier.
Good luck on the grades!
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The bottom of the Johnny Riddle card I thought might be a part of a Harmon Killebrew rookie! But might just be Bunky Stewart. I looked up some sheets to see but couldn't find one with Killebrew or Riddle. Looks like a Washington Nationals card for sure.
I thought the same thing regarding Killebrew. It may have been wishful thinking and in a world where you can pull two Mays and a Clemente in the same '55 pack why not add in a Killebrew also?
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.
-George F. Will
If the Clemente is notoriously OC thiis pack makes perfect sense. When a pack is centered properly you get a Clemente that is grossly OC. You get a pack that is largely OC you get a centered Clemente. That is my theory anyway.
Mine too- and one proved by uncut sheets.
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