Originally posted by: garnettstyle Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
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One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
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But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: Bullsitter . Maybe it was the coaching that cost 'em.
Its hard to go the entire season without losing a game. A long winning streak means a lot of pressure. Buckeyes won 25 straight and was #1 most of the year. Not one team this year had a perfect season.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
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One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
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But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
Why did I only go back 5 years? Are you for real? Because thats exactly how long they have been playing a B1G Championship Game. That's my point. Also because Urban Meyer has been there the last four years.
In 2012 you were on probation. So actually there was a 100% chance you were not going to win the B1G title that year. Nothing probable about it.
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
mark
One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
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But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
Why did I only go back 5 years? Are you for real? Because thats exactly how long they have been playing a B1G Championship Game. That's my point. Also because Urban Meyer has been there the last four years.
In 2012 you were on probation. So actually there was a 100% chance you were not going to win the B1G title that year. Nothing probable about it.
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Wow you act as though no other team is supposed to win Big 10 championships. Please tell me who your favorite team is? Is it Michigan? That would certainly explain all the hate you have for this team the way nit pick any loss they have. As a Buckeye fan I am quite pleased with Urban's record. Big 10 championship or not, they have been the best in the conference the last 3 out of 4 years. And that is not even disputable.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: Bullsitter I was looking back on the 2015 season and I still can't figure out how MSU beat OSU. Maybe it was the coaching that cost 'em.
Dantonio is a great coach too. Cold November rain can be a great equalizer as well.
Wow you act as though no other team is supposed to win Big 10 championships. Please tell me who your favorite team is? Is it Michigan? That would certainly explain all the hate you have for this team the way nit pick any loss they have. As a Buckeye fan I am quite pleased with Urban's record. Big 10 championship or not, they have been the best in the conference the last 3 out of 4 years. And that is not even disputable.
You should be! Meyer's been awesome with Ohio. I'm a Michigan guy so the last almost-decade has been a little rough With Harbaugh in the fold, I see things turning around and look forward to knocking Ohio off their perch. They've set quite the standard.
Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
mark
One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
mark
But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
Why did I only go back 5 years? Are you for real? Because thats exactly how long they have been playing a B1G Championship Game. That's my point. Also because Urban Meyer has been there the last four years.
In 2012 you were on probation. So actually there was a 100% chance you were not going to win the B1G title that year. Nothing probable about it.
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Wow you act as though no other team is supposed to win Big 10 championships. Please tell me who your favorite team is? Is it Michigan? That would certainly explain all the hate you have for this team the way nit pick any loss they have. As a Buckeye fan I am quite pleased with Urban's record. Big 10 championship or not, they have been the best in the conference the last 3 out of 4 years. And that is not even disputable.
You should be pleased with Meyer. My point remains as good as OSU has been they have won one Big Ten Title since he's been there. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Looks like Mark isn't going to answer my question.
You are correct. I've designated myself as the official garnettstye fact checker in this thread. Keeping you in line is a full time job.
And for the record OSU hasn't dominated anything the last 4 years in the Big Ten. MSU has won two titles and Wisconsin one in that span. One title by OSU is not support your statement
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Looks like Mark isn't going to answer my question.
You are correct. I've designated myself as the official garnettstye fact checker in this thread. Keeping you in line is a full time job.
And for the record OSU hasn't dominated anything the last 4 years in the Big Ten. MSU has won two titles and Wisconsin one in that span. One title by OSU is not support your statement
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You should be a comedian. 3 out of the last 4 years they have finished the top ranked team in the conference. AND the best record, AND a national championship. AND a undefeated season.
Yep, you wont answer because you are a Michigan fan and butthurt because they cant beat Ohio State lol.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Looks like Mark isn't going to answer my question.
You are correct. I've designated myself as the official garnettstye fact checker in this thread. Keeping you in line is a full time job.
And for the record OSU hasn't dominated anything the last 4 years in the Big Ten. MSU has won two titles and Wisconsin one in that span. One title by OSU is not support your statement
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You should be a comedian. 3 out of the last 4 years they have finished the top ranked team in the conference. AND the best record, AND a national championship. AND a undefeated season.
Yep, you wont answer because you are a Michigan fan and butthurt because they cant beat Ohio State lol.
I'll take Big Ten Football for $600 Alec.
2015 Michigan State
2014 Ohio State
2013 Michigan State
2012 Wisconsin
2011 Wisconsin
Who were the last 5 Big Ten Champs
Correct!
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What is Michigan St 17 and Ohio State 14 at the shoe
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Not so fast my friend. Signing day is February 3. Bama will get at least 2 more 5 stars, maybe more. They are rated #10 per 247Sports at the current time. Should be in the Top 3 in the end. Bama is getting the #1 and #2 JC players also, OL and DL.
You Duckeyes better watch out for Michigan, they're on the rise and will probably sign the # 1 player in the nation. I noticed in your quote that you said "#1 recruiting class again". With all that top ranked talent seems like y'all would have beat MSU.
**** Bama is a 14 point favorite against USC in next years opener. You know what Garnett, we are going to win 3-4 National Championships in a row. #1 is in the book, and we are gonna be better next year and really loaded in '17. Ain't no stoppin' us.
Who is #1 in recruiting is sort of like the old days of mythical national championships (in the years it wasn't clear who the best team was). The fact is it's up for debate. May be OSU, may be Alabama, may be someone else. It means NOTHING. Because if the coach can't coach, or if players get kicked off the team, injuries, etc... then it doesn't matter how your recruiting class was ranked. It's almost ridiculous to pat yourself on the back about really. Sure it's fun to see where these kids will go to school but you have to win the games that count... on the field.
Originally posted by: Bullsitter It's not ridiculous to us and we did win the games that count.
Please get off of your high horse. If Arkansas didn't pull off that crazy ridiculous ending against OLE Miss, you wouldn't had made the playoffs. Its good to be lucky.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: Bullsitter It's not ridiculous to us and we did win the games that count.
It's hard for me to argue with that. Alabama impresses the heck out of me each year. When I predicted my 4 for the playoffs, a week after Alabama lost, I still had them as one of my four. I knew that loss was a fluke. Great job this year and I don't doubt your team has a couple more in them in the coming years.
Florida, Iowa survive and Alabama catches a huge break when Arkansas wins an impossible OT game at Old Miss. Alabama now controls their own dynasty in the West. All bout their game with LSU tonight
Great weekend so far.
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Need some breaks to win a National Championship. Winning 4 titles in 7 years speaks volumes. To put it into perspective the rest of teams in the country have won a combined three National Championships in the past 7 years.
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Originally posted by: Bullsitter It's not ridiculous to us and we did win the games that count.
Please get off of your high horse. If Arkansas didn't pull off that crazy ridiculous ending against OLE Miss, you wouldn't had made the playoffs. Its good to be lucky.
It seems silly to me. The best schools tend to attract the best athletes the same as the best NFL Teams tend to attract the best players.
RE: the superiority of Alabama.
It's time to stop with all the regional pride and address this for what it is. Currently, despite all the members who might argue otherwise, there appear to be two Coaches who excel over all others, Saban and Meyer. They both have a history that bears out the fact that they can bring the best athletes to wherever they are coaching and that they can win wherever they decide to coach. The sadness for us as fans is that we don't have the NFL-like experience of watching them oppose each other very often. The result would be some classic games. I'm not well acquainted with any other rivalries, but the "Woody vs. Bo" games were as much about two great Coaches as two great schools playing each other.
History will write that Alabama had an amazing run during this period, but the truth is that wherever Saban had chosen to coach would probably have the same claim. To that end, I don't know how long Meyer will stay at OSU but if he were to leave for another school I would expect him to excel there and probably win a title at a third school. That is amazing to comprehend and speaks more about him than about the school.
As for Saban, I suppose he will deprive us of that feat, I doubt he will ever coach at another school as he etches his name next to Bryant. Alabama fans should feel very fortunate to have had both men lead their Teams. I wish they could lose the regional pride and give credit where it is more properly due, with the two men.
and garnet --- you appear to be a nice enough chap, but why don't you take a vacation.....................please!!!
Keets- Agreed those two coaches are the top and they would be successful at any college. Heck, remember Meyer had Utah in a BCS game before Utah joined the Pac 12. However, the regional differences make life interesting. I remember when I moved from the middle of Los Angeles to Eastern Tennessee in 1985. I had no clue what sports fans were until I moved there. Lol! It's just a totally different ball game. Yes, the Dodgers drew 3 million fans a year back when attendance was actual butts in seats and not tickets sold but the fans were not passionate like those in TN. Of course, those in TN were primarily passionate about one sport but made it sort of fun.
Originally posted by: keets RE: the recruiting class argument. It seems silly to me. The best schools tend to attract the best athletes the same as the best NFL Teams tend to attract the best players.
RE: the superiority of Alabama. It's time to stop with all the regional pride and address this for what it is. Currently, despite all the members who might argue otherwise, there appear to be two Coaches who excel over all others, Saban and Meyer. They both have a history that bears out the fact that they can bring the best athletes to wherever they are coaching and that they can win wherever they decide to coach. The sadness for us as fans is that we don't have the NFL-like experience of watching them oppose each other very often. The result would be some classic games. I'm not well acquainted with any other rivalries, but the "Woody vs. Bo" games were as much about two great Coaches as two great schools playing each other.
History will write that Alabama had an amazing run during this period, but the truth is that wherever Saban had chosen to coach would probably have the same claim. To that end, I don't know how long Meyer will stay at OSU but if he were to leave for another school I would expect him to excel there and probably win a title at a third school. That is amazing to comprehend and speaks more about him than about the school.
As for Saban, I suppose he will deprive us of that feat, I doubt he will ever coach at another school as he etches his name next to Bryant. Alabama fans should feel very fortunate to have had both men lead their Teams. I wish they could lose the regional pride and give credit where it is more properly due, with the two men.
and garnet --- you appear to be a nice enough chap, but why don't you take a vacation.....................please!!!
Saban had had an amazing run at Alabama but it's more than a little incorrect to imply he'd be an unstoppable force at any school. At Michigan State, he averaged 5 losses or ties per season. At LSU, he won a national title (awesome!) but had at least 3 losses every other season.
Bottom line: he's had a historic run but only at one of the the schools where he's coached.
Meyer, on the other hand, has had amazing success at every school.
it's more than a little incorrect to imply he'd be an unstoppable force at any school.
I don't think I "implied" that he'd be unstoppable, only that he would excel and achieve similar success(the trouble with College Football is that anything less than being undefeated and winning a National Title is viewed as failure). Think about it, part of the reason that Meyer is able to recruit successfully is due to his history of winning. If Saban coached somewhere else he would enjoy the same thing, players would flock to that school even it was The Little Sisters of The Poor.
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SEC bias. Those facts are wrong. How could Alabama be listed as #1 recruiting class every year!? We know Ohio State has been #1 at everything, every year, ever, in every sport, in every thing, period, dot, exclamation point!
The College Football Committee adds four new members
Former Southern Miss coach Jeff Bower, former Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, former Central Michigan coach Herb Deromedi and Oregon athletic director Rob Mullens all will begin their three-year tenures with the committee in the spring.
The tenures of Mike Gould, Pat Haden, Tom Osborne and Mike Tranghese expired after the 2015-16 season.
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This was posted on page 3 of this very thread after week one by a Buckeye faithful.
Wouldn't it be crazy, but I wonder if the Bucks could actually have multiple Heisman finalists this year.
Braxton - WR
Jones - QB
Elliott - RB
Bosa - DT
Not a lot of argument that they may be the best 4 at their position in the country right now
My reply
Four games in and it would hard to imagine any of them being invited to NY
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Mark, in retrospect it's hard to understand why Elliot wasn't given more consideration, but I can understand Bosa because it is almost exclusively an offensive award.
Originally posted by: keets Mark, in retrospect it's hard to understand why Elliot wasn't given more consideration, but I can understand Bosa because it is almost exclusively an offensive award.
Elliot had a better yds per carry than Henry and probably would've won the Heisman if he would've gotten more carries. Buckeyes didn't have many close games and Urban took him out of games in the 4th quarter.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: keets it's more than a little incorrect to imply he'd be an unstoppable force at any school.
I don't think I "implied" that he'd be unstoppable, only that he would excel and achieve similar success(the trouble with College Football is that anything less than being undefeated and winning a National Title is viewed as failure). Think about it, part of the reason that Meyer is able to recruit successfully is due to his history of winning. If Saban coached somewhere else he would enjoy the same thing, players would flock to that school even it was The Little Sisters of The Poor.
What you said was that Saban would have had this historic run at any other school. What I'm saying is that nothing in his pre-Alabama record suggests that that was a possibility. Before Alabama, he had a medicore run at MSU and a good (with one great season) run at LSU. What about that says "this guy has a run of 4 national titles in him"? Nothing. That's what I was saying.
Mark, in retrospect it's hard to understand why Elliot wasn't given more consideration, but I can understand Bosa because it is almost exclusively an offensive award.
He is a wonderful back. But there were several this year. Henry and Fournette were both AP First Team. To put it into perspective both Elliot and Bosa were AP 2nd Team All Americans. They really weren't in the Heisman mix. After Bosa's sophomore season I thought he may have a chance. He was better as a sophomore.
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Many times great players see their stats go down or don't seem as dominating as years go by. Often it is a case of opponents playing away from him. How many times have teams not even thrown in Richard Shermans direction? Bosas greatness was highlighted in the Fiesta Bowl. Before he was ejected from the game (wrongly I believe) it was obviously going to be a rout by OSU. With him out of the game it was only a comfortable victory.
Bosa dominated the Michigan game. His sack stats were down this year because he was double teamed the whole year. He is projected to be the #1 pick in the draft.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Bosa dominated the Michigan game. His sack stats were down this year because he was double teamed the whole year. He is projected to be the #1 pick in the draft.
Lots of guys get double and triple teamed.
Bosa will go in the top four.
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Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
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One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
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But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
. Maybe it was the coaching that cost 'em.
Its hard to go the entire season without losing a game. A long winning streak means a lot of pressure. Buckeyes won 25 straight and was #1 most of the year. Not one team this year had a perfect season.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
mark
One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
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But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
Why did I only go back 5 years? Are you for real? Because thats exactly how long they have been playing a B1G Championship Game. That's my point. Also because Urban Meyer has been there the last four years.
In 2012 you were on probation. So actually there was a 100% chance you were not going to win the B1G title that year. Nothing probable about it.
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Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
mark
One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
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But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
Why did I only go back 5 years? Are you for real? Because thats exactly how long they have been playing a B1G Championship Game. That's my point. Also because Urban Meyer has been there the last four years.
In 2012 you were on probation. So actually there was a 100% chance you were not going to win the B1G title that year. Nothing probable about it.
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Wow you act as though no other team is supposed to win Big 10 championships. Please tell me who your favorite team is? Is it Michigan? That would certainly explain all the hate you have for this team the way nit pick any loss they have. As a Buckeye fan I am quite pleased with Urban's record. Big 10 championship or not, they have been the best in the conference the last 3 out of 4 years. And that is not even disputable.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I was looking back on the 2015 season and I still can't figure out how MSU beat OSU. Maybe it was the coaching that cost 'em.
Dantonio is a great coach too. Cold November rain can be a great equalizer as well.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Wow you act as though no other team is supposed to win Big 10 championships. Please tell me who your favorite team is? Is it Michigan? That would certainly explain all the hate you have for this team the way nit pick any loss they have. As a Buckeye fan I am quite pleased with Urban's record. Big 10 championship or not, they have been the best in the conference the last 3 out of 4 years. And that is not even disputable.
You should be! Meyer's been awesome with Ohio. I'm a Michigan guy so the last almost-decade has been a little rough
Urban is 50-4 as the Ohio State coach. 4-0 vs Michigan. 1-0 vs Notre Dame. 1-0 vs Alabama. Cant do much better than that.
It is great. Take away those pesky losses to MSU and Clemson and it's just about perfect. That and the fact they have won only one Big Ten Championship.
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One is more than almost all the other teams in the Big 10 including Michigan and Penn State.
Ohio State has finished in the top 4 in the country 3 out of the last 4 years. Not too shabby.
Not shabby at all. Face it, Michigan hasn't been very good. That is changing. Penn State hasn't been and won't be good for awhile. Their probation and sanctions were justifiably more severe then Ohio State's.
Fact reminds that OSU has only won one Big Ten Championship under Meyer even with that gaudy record. It's not debatable. It is of course fact. You of course in your usual fashion deflected the obvious. Both Michigan State and Wisconsin have won 2 titles each since the inception of the Big Ten playoff format.
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But why only go back 5 years, unless your purpose is to troll? We all know you are a hater.
And like I said. He would PROBABLY have 2 conferences titles if that undefeated 2012 team were allowed to participate.
Why did I only go back 5 years? Are you for real? Because thats exactly how long they have been playing a B1G Championship Game. That's my point. Also because Urban Meyer has been there the last four years.
In 2012 you were on probation. So actually there was a 100% chance you were not going to win the B1G title that year. Nothing probable about it.
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Wow you act as though no other team is supposed to win Big 10 championships. Please tell me who your favorite team is? Is it Michigan? That would certainly explain all the hate you have for this team the way nit pick any loss they have. As a Buckeye fan I am quite pleased with Urban's record. Big 10 championship or not, they have been the best in the conference the last 3 out of 4 years. And that is not even disputable.
You should be pleased with Meyer. My point remains as good as OSU has been they have won one Big Ten Title since he's been there. Nothing more, nothing less.
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Looks like Mark isn't going to answer my question.
You are correct. I've designated myself as the official garnettstye fact checker in this thread. Keeping you in line is a full time job.
And for the record OSU hasn't dominated anything the last 4 years in the Big Ten. MSU has won two titles and Wisconsin one in that span. One title by OSU is not support your statement
mark
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Looks like Mark isn't going to answer my question.
You are correct. I've designated myself as the official garnettstye fact checker in this thread. Keeping you in line is a full time job.
And for the record OSU hasn't dominated anything the last 4 years in the Big Ten. MSU has won two titles and Wisconsin one in that span. One title by OSU is not support your statement
mark
You should be a comedian. 3 out of the last 4 years they have finished the top ranked team in the conference. AND the best record, AND a national championship. AND a undefeated season.
Yep, you wont answer because you are a Michigan fan and butthurt because they cant beat Ohio State lol.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Looks like Mark isn't going to answer my question.
You are correct. I've designated myself as the official garnettstye fact checker in this thread. Keeping you in line is a full time job.
And for the record OSU hasn't dominated anything the last 4 years in the Big Ten. MSU has won two titles and Wisconsin one in that span. One title by OSU is not support your statement
mark
You should be a comedian. 3 out of the last 4 years they have finished the top ranked team in the conference. AND the best record, AND a national championship. AND a undefeated season.
Yep, you wont answer because you are a Michigan fan and butthurt because they cant beat Ohio State lol.
I'll take Big Ten Football for $600 Alec.
2015 Michigan State
2014 Ohio State
2013 Michigan State
2012 Wisconsin
2011 Wisconsin
Who were the last 5 Big Ten Champs
Correct!
mark
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What is Michigan St 17 and Ohio State 14 at the shoe
mark
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Are we done with the 2015 season at 964?
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Buckeyes have #1 recruiting class again.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Article/ ... n-42935156
Buckeyes have #1 recruiting class again.
Not so fast my friend. Signing day is February 3. Bama will get at least 2 more 5 stars, maybe more. They are rated #10 per 247Sports at the current time. Should be in the Top 3 in the end. Bama is getting the #1 and #2 JC players also, OL and DL.
You Duckeyes better watch out for Michigan, they're on the rise and will probably sign the # 1 player in the nation. I noticed in your quote that you said "#1 recruiting class again". With all that top ranked talent seems like y'all would have beat MSU.
**** Bama is a 14 point favorite against USC in next years opener. You know what Garnett, we are going to win 3-4 National Championships in a row. #1 is in the book, and we are gonna be better next year and really loaded in '17. Ain't no stoppin' us.
It's not ridiculous to us and we did win the games that count.
Please get off of your high horse. If Arkansas didn't pull off that crazy ridiculous ending against OLE Miss, you wouldn't had made the playoffs. Its good to be lucky.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
It's not ridiculous to us and we did win the games that count.
It's hard for me to argue with that. Alabama impresses the heck out of me each year. When I predicted my 4 for the playoffs, a week after Alabama lost, I still had them as one of my four. I knew that loss was a fluke. Great job this year and I don't doubt your team has a couple more in them in the coming years.
Florida, Iowa survive and Alabama catches a huge break when Arkansas wins an impossible OT game at Old Miss. Alabama now controls their own dynasty in the West. All bout their game with LSU tonight
Great weekend so far.
mark
Need some breaks to win a National Championship. Winning 4 titles in 7 years speaks volumes. To put it into perspective the rest of teams in the country have won a combined three National Championships in the past 7 years.
mark
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It's not ridiculous to us and we did win the games that count.
Please get off of your high horse. If Arkansas didn't pull off that crazy ridiculous ending against OLE Miss, you wouldn't had made the playoffs. Its good to be lucky.
Yep, you're right.......Arkansas was lucky.
It seems silly to me. The best schools tend to attract the best athletes the same as the best NFL Teams tend to attract the best players.
RE: the superiority of Alabama.
It's time to stop with all the regional pride and address this for what it is. Currently, despite all the members who might argue otherwise, there appear to be two Coaches who excel over all others, Saban and Meyer. They both have a history that bears out the fact that they can bring the best athletes to wherever they are coaching and that they can win wherever they decide to coach. The sadness for us as fans is that we don't have the NFL-like experience of watching them oppose each other very often. The result would be some classic games. I'm not well acquainted with any other rivalries, but the "Woody vs. Bo" games were as much about two great Coaches as two great schools playing each other.
History will write that Alabama had an amazing run during this period, but the truth is that wherever Saban had chosen to coach would probably have the same claim. To that end, I don't know how long Meyer will stay at OSU but if he were to leave for another school I would expect him to excel there and probably win a title at a third school. That is amazing to comprehend and speaks more about him than about the school.
As for Saban, I suppose he will deprive us of that feat, I doubt he will ever coach at another school as he etches his name next to Bryant. Alabama fans should feel very fortunate to have had both men lead their Teams. I wish they could lose the regional pride and give credit where it is more properly due, with the two men.
and garnet --- you appear to be a nice enough chap, but why don't you take a vacation.....................please!!!
I'll just hang out at my 247 from now on, they have a sense of humor.
RE: the recruiting class argument.
It seems silly to me. The best schools tend to attract the best athletes the same as the best NFL Teams tend to attract the best players.
RE: the superiority of Alabama.
It's time to stop with all the regional pride and address this for what it is. Currently, despite all the members who might argue otherwise, there appear to be two Coaches who excel over all others, Saban and Meyer. They both have a history that bears out the fact that they can bring the best athletes to wherever they are coaching and that they can win wherever they decide to coach. The sadness for us as fans is that we don't have the NFL-like experience of watching them oppose each other very often. The result would be some classic games. I'm not well acquainted with any other rivalries, but the "Woody vs. Bo" games were as much about two great Coaches as two great schools playing each other.
History will write that Alabama had an amazing run during this period, but the truth is that wherever Saban had chosen to coach would probably have the same claim. To that end, I don't know how long Meyer will stay at OSU but if he were to leave for another school I would expect him to excel there and probably win a title at a third school. That is amazing to comprehend and speaks more about him than about the school.
As for Saban, I suppose he will deprive us of that feat, I doubt he will ever coach at another school as he etches his name next to Bryant. Alabama fans should feel very fortunate to have had both men lead their Teams. I wish they could lose the regional pride and give credit where it is more properly due, with the two men.
and garnet --- you appear to be a nice enough chap, but why don't you take a vacation.....................please!!!
Saban had had an amazing run at Alabama but it's more than a little incorrect to imply he'd be an unstoppable force at any school. At Michigan State, he averaged 5 losses or ties per season. At LSU, he won a national title (awesome!) but had at least 3 losses every other season.
Bottom line: he's had a historic run but only at one of the the schools where he's coached.
Meyer, on the other hand, has had amazing success at every school.
I don't think I "implied" that he'd be unstoppable, only that he would excel and achieve similar success(the trouble with College Football is that anything less than being undefeated and winning a National Title is viewed as failure). Think about it, part of the reason that Meyer is able to recruit successfully is due to his history of winning. If Saban coached somewhere else he would enjoy the same thing, players would flock to that school even it was The Little Sisters of The Poor.
mark
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six teams that could end Alabama's streak at five years of having the number one recruiting class
mark
SEC bias. Those facts are wrong. How could Alabama be listed as #1 recruiting class every year!? We know Ohio State has been #1 at everything, every year, ever, in every sport, in every thing, period, dot, exclamation point!
Former Southern Miss coach Jeff Bower, former Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, former Central Michigan coach Herb Deromedi and Oregon athletic director Rob Mullens all will begin their three-year tenures with the committee in the spring.
The tenures of Mike Gould, Pat Haden, Tom Osborne and Mike Tranghese expired after the 2015-16 season.
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I heard JT Barrett already won!
This was posted on page 3 of this very thread after week one by a Buckeye faithful.
Wouldn't it be crazy, but I wonder if the Bucks could actually have multiple Heisman finalists this year.
Braxton - WR
Jones - QB
Elliott - RB
Bosa - DT
Not a lot of argument that they may be the best 4 at their position in the country right now
My reply
Four games in and it would hard to imagine any of them being invited to NY
mark
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I heard JT Barrett already won!
This was posted on page 3 of this very thread after week one by a Buckeye faithful.
Wouldn't it be crazy, but I wonder if the Bucks could actually have multiple Heisman finalists this year.
Braxton - WR
Jones - QB
Elliott - RB
Bosa - DT
Not a lot of argument that they may be the best 4 at their position in the country right now
My reply
Four games in and it would hard to imagine any of them being invited to NY
mark
Oh sure, but NEXT year it's a lock... well, unless they get cheated out of it due to SEC bias, or get sick at the wrong time, or [insert excuse here].
Mark, in retrospect it's hard to understand why Elliot wasn't given more consideration, but I can understand Bosa because it is almost exclusively an offensive award.
Elliot had a better yds per carry than Henry and probably would've won the Heisman if he would've gotten more carries. Buckeyes didn't have many close games and Urban took him out of games in the 4th quarter.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Oklahoma
5. Stanford
6. Mississippi
7. TCU
8. Baylor
9. Michigan
10. Tennessee
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
it's more than a little incorrect to imply he'd be an unstoppable force at any school.
I don't think I "implied" that he'd be unstoppable, only that he would excel and achieve similar success(the trouble with College Football is that anything less than being undefeated and winning a National Title is viewed as failure). Think about it, part of the reason that Meyer is able to recruit successfully is due to his history of winning. If Saban coached somewhere else he would enjoy the same thing, players would flock to that school even it was The Little Sisters of The Poor.
What you said was that Saban would have had this historic run at any other school. What I'm saying is that nothing in his pre-Alabama record suggests that that was a possibility. Before Alabama, he had a medicore run at MSU and a good (with one great season) run at LSU. What about that says "this guy has a run of 4 national titles in him"? Nothing. That's what I was saying.
Mark, in retrospect it's hard to understand why Elliot wasn't given more consideration, but I can understand Bosa because it is almost exclusively an offensive award.
He is a wonderful back. But there were several this year. Henry and Fournette were both AP First Team. To put it into perspective both Elliot and Bosa were AP 2nd Team All Americans. They really weren't in the Heisman mix. After Bosa's sophomore season I thought he may have a chance. He was better as a sophomore.
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
what I said was " wherever Saban had chosen to coach would probably have the same claim." I know it seems like the same thing but it isn't.
Bosa dominated the Michigan game. His sack stats were down this year because he was double teamed the whole year. He is projected to be the #1 pick in the draft.
Lots of guys get double and triple teamed.
Bosa will go in the top four.
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