Originally posted by: Tabe Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Originally posted by: larryallen73 Hard to say any one conference is dominating the bowl season thus far. Seems Pac 12, Big 10 and SEC all doing pretty well with some wins and some losses. Big 12 is struggling though. I can't remember any big wins by them!?
Lots of parity. Big 12 only 1 bowl win but have 3 games tomorrow. Despite Stanford winning today, the Big 10 did quite well against the Pac 12 this year.
I'd like to see Big 10 teams and fans come down south during the first few weeks of September and play in our heat.
I believe that wish will be granted the first week of the 2016 season when OSU travels to Oklahoma. BTW, it can get pretty hot up North, not as hot as in the deep South, but hot nonetheless.
The Michigan State, Northwestern and Iowa beat downs were so predictable.
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What about the other beat downs? No close games at all.
Yah, not too much excitement. The OSU and Michigan games were just as predictable
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With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Originally posted by: keets With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Could be. I think Bama and Oklahoma being such favorites could have had something to do with it. Bama and Oklahoma are teams people watch bc of their football tradition. Not so much for Clemson and MSU, jmo.
Keets, you got me to thinking about those cold weather games. I remember in 1983 we played Boston College up there. Wind chill was in the teens. Boston College beat us that year and the next in Tuscaloosa. They had a pretty famous qb. They showed the Bama players about to freeze to death during the game. They caught Cornelius Bennett saying to his mama, " mama, have some hot biscuits and gravy when I get home". They called him "Biscuit" from then on.
Originally posted by: Tabe Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: keets With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Great bowl season for the Big 10 Going 5-5 they overachieved considering only 3 were favored. MSU, Iowa, and Northwestern didn't show. 7 out of the 10 played well and Indiana lost in overtime on a controversial call, so it could've easily been 6 wins. Probably will have 6 teams ranked in the top 25 in the final rankings.
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
It was because the games were on NY's Eve. You are so naive.
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Originally posted by: keets With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
It was because the games were on NY's Eve. You are so naive.
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Sure that was probably the main reason you idiot. Ohio State not playing was also a factor. We will find out a week from Monday how well the national championship game ratings are. Last year it drew 33 million viewers.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: Tabe Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
Great bowl season for the Big 10 Going 5-5 they overachieved considering only 3 were favored. MSU, Iowa, and Northwestern didn't show. 7 out of the 10 played well and Indiana lost in overtime on a controversial call, so it could've easily been 6 wins. Probably will have 6 teams ranked in the top 25 in the final rankings.
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and Ohio State were favored. That's 4 teams. Once again your facts don't check out. If you think 5-5 are a conference record is good then well, your standards are low. As a Big Ten fan I was underwhelmed and embarrassed at times during the bowl season. Business as usual. You can't polish a turd but yet you try.
The Sec proved once again they are the class of college football. Look at their wins and how they won. They proved it on the field. The PAC 12 is not far behind.
In the premier conference match ups ( both teams ranked) it was ugly save for Michigan 41 vs Florida 7
The Alabama/MSU and Stanford/Iowa games couldn't have been drawn up any better as a measuring stick. Unless of course you think MSU and Iowa were over rated. That I would buy and that's what I've been saying all year and it was proved out. Men against boys.
#2 Alabama 38 # 3 MSU 0
#6 Stanford 45 #5 Iowa 16
#23 Tennessee 45 # 13 Northwestern 6
Happy New Year!
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Great bowl season for the Big 10 Going 5-5 they overachieved considering only 3 were favored. MSU, Iowa, and Northwestern didn't show. 7 out of the 10 played well and Indiana lost in overtime on a controversial call, so it could've easily been 6 wins. Probably will have 6 teams ranked in the top 25 in the final rankings.
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and Ohio State were favored. That's 4 teams. Once again your facts don't check out. If you think 5-5 are a conference record is good then well, your standards are low. As a Big Ten fan I was underwhelmed and embarrassed at times during the bowl season. Business as usual. You can't polish a turd but yet you try.
The Sec proved once again they are the class of college football. Look at their wins and how they won. They proved it on the field. The PAC 12 is not far behind.
In the premier conference match ups ( both teams ranked) it was ugly save for Michigan 41 vs Florida 7
The Alabama/MSU and Stanford/Iowa games couldn't have been drawn up any better as a measuring stick. Unless of course you think MSU and Iowa were over rated. That I would buy and that's what I've been saying all year and it was proved out. Men against boys.
#2 Alabama 38 # 3 MSU 0
#6 Stanford 45 #5 Iowa 16
#23 Tennessee 45 # 13 Northwestern 6
Happy New Year!
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Once again your are wrong. 5 wins is good for the big 10. Go back the last 20 years and see how many wins they usually get in the bowl season. Usually its only 2 or 3 wins.
The SEC and PAC 12 don't play each so of course they have more wins and the PAC 12 plays a lot of non-power 5 teams. Also a factor.
The SEC and PAC 12 are no better than any other conference.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
It was because the games were on NY's Eve. You are so naive.
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Sure that was probably the main reason you idiot. Ohio State not playing was also a factor. We will find out a week from Monday how well the national championship game ratings are. Last year it drew 33 million viewers.
Who cares. Ohio State is so last year. I'm sure the fact that last year was the inaugural year and the fact that Oregon played had nothing to do with it.
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Great bowl season for the Big 10 Going 5-5 they overachieved considering only 3 were favored. MSU, Iowa, and Northwestern didn't show. 7 out of the 10 played well and Indiana lost in overtime on a controversial call, so it could've easily been 6 wins. Probably will have 6 teams ranked in the top 25 in the final rankings.
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and Ohio State were favored. That's 4 teams. Once again your facts don't check out. If you think 5-5 are a conference record is good then well, your standards are low. As a Big Ten fan I was underwhelmed and embarrassed at times during the bowl season. Business as usual. You can't polish a turd but yet you try.
The Sec proved once again they are the class of college football. Look at their wins and how they won. They proved it on the field. The PAC 12 is not far behind.
In the premier conference match ups ( both teams ranked) it was ugly save for Michigan 41 vs Florida 7
The Alabama/MSU and Stanford/Iowa games couldn't have been drawn up any better as a measuring stick. Unless of course you think MSU and Iowa were over rated. That I would buy and that's what I've been saying all year and it was proved out. Men against boys.
#2 Alabama 38 # 3 MSU 0
#6 Stanford 45 #5 Iowa 16
#23 Tennessee 45 # 13 Northwestern 6
Happy New Year!
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Once again your are wrong. 5 wins is good for the big 10. Go back the last 20 years and see how many wins they usually get in the bowl season. Usually its only 2 or 3 wins.
The SEC and PAC 12 don't play each so of course they have more wins and the PAC 12 plays a lot of non-power 5 teams. Also a factor.
Yah. You are correct. They usually suck much worse. I would like to see 7-3 or 8-2 every once in awhile. I was told all year how good the Big Ten was by you. 5-5? Wow
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With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
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Actually Michigan State has a great football tradition and was a national power from the late 1940s through their last national championship season which was 1966. Biggie Munn and Duffy Daugherty were great Head coaches and I suspect they are both in the College Football HOF (for coaches). Munn took on the role of AD at Michigan State after the 1952 or 53 season. Munn had an incredible run as head coach but most of his time as head coach was prior to being in the Big Ten-
Unfortunately, this dates back further than most remember, but the two legendary games for the program were the MSU-Notre Dame 10-10 tie in the 1966 season and their upset loss at the hands of UCLA in the 1966 Rosebowl 14-12. But MSU beat the Bruin teams coached by the legendary "Red" Sanders in the 1954 and 1956 Rosebowl games.
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Originally posted by: keets With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
Originally posted by: coinkat Actually Michigan State has a great football tradition and was a national power from the late 1940s through their last national championship season which was 1966. Biggie Munn and Duffy Daugherty were great Head coaches and I suspect they are both in the College Football HOF (for coaches). Munn took on the role of AD at Michigan State after the 1952 or 53 season. Munn had an incredible run as head coach but most of his time as head coach was prior to being in the Big Ten-
Unfortunately, this dates back further than most remember, but the two legendary games for the program were the MSU-Notre Dame 10-10 tie in the 1966 season and their upset loss at the hands of UCLA in the 1966 Rosebowl 14-12. But MSU beat the Bruin teams coached by the legendary "Red" Sanders in the 1954 and 1956 Rosebowl games.
Yep, I remember that 1966 season. We (Alabama) won the national championship in 1964 and 1965. In 1966 Kenny Stabler and Bama went undefeated and kicked Nebraska's ass in the Orange Bowl. They gave it to MSU which tied Notre Dame in the last regular season game. Neither MSU or Notre Dame played in a bowl game that year. There is a book called THE MISSING RING, great read about that season and the bias northern media. We won the championship 3 years in a row, in our hearts we know that. Saban came close, won it in '11 and '12 but in '13 Auburn put that pick 6 on us and ended that.
Some teams are 1 and done..........................
Originally posted by: Tabe Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
Garnett, ya gotta link for that Sagarin Poll? I'd like to see the TOP 25.
Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
Garnett, ya gotta link for that Sagarin Poll? I'd like to see the TOP 25.
Since garnettstyle is now quoting Sagrin for his purposes and opened the door here are a few notables through yesterday
SOS
Alabama 1
Arkansas 4
Auburn 6
LSU 7
Mississippi 16
Florida 19
MSU 29
Michigan 37
Iowa 50
Ohio State 56
FYI Alabama is 9-1 against the top 30. OSU is 2-1.
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You are right that MSU did not play in a Bowl game at the end of the 1966 season - The Big Ten had a No repeat rule in effect and Purdue played USC in the 1967 Rosebowl even though MSU was the conference champion. The Big Ten did not play in any other post season games at that time. And that changed shortly after famous Michigan-OSU tie and the controversy surrounding the decision that OSU would go to the Rosebowl. I am not getting into that here...
Anyway, Alabama had some terrific teams, great players and has maintained an incredible winning tradition- and even playing in the Rosebowl prior to the Big 9- PCAA agreement which started with the 1947 game.
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As for the playoff numbers it's totally because of being on NYE. That's a party night. Not a tv night. I think they are hoping it becomes the lead in to the midnight/ball drop shows. I don't see it though. As for the teams though I know Ohio State has a large national following I would think Michigan State isn't that far behind them so not a big drop off there. Alabama and Ok are both national brands. Clemson is more regional so that's a loss compared to Oregon. However, in my opinion, the main factor is the day/time. I had to leave work early, on the west coast, and people on the east coast were at parties. Strange planning.
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
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Outside of the SEC pretty even. The SEC West ended going 6-1. The 8 bowl wins sets a NCAA record.
And finally we had two great games to end the bowl season with. Good for TCU after getting screwed last year.
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The Big Ten did not play in any other post season games at that time. And that changed shortly after famous Michigan-OSU tie and the controversy surrounding the decision that OSU would go to the Rosebowl. I am not getting into that here
Ya, the AD from MSU out of jealousy and spite picked OSU over Michigan to break the tie. It will never be forgiven. My best friends dad refused to take his Spartie son back to school that weekend. Told him to take a bus. His dad never set foot in East Lansing again.
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The Pac 12, Big 10, and ACC are pretty even. After a lackluster season, The SEC has a shot at 9 wins. Be interesting to see who gets in the final top 25 poll.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
The Pac 12, Big 10, and ACC are pretty even. After a lackluster season, The SEC has a shot at 9 wins. Be interesting to see who gets in the final top 25 poll.
Agree.
Did Darron Lee declare pro yet?
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle The Pac 12, Big 10, and ACC are pretty even. After a lackluster season, The SEC has a shot at 9 wins. Be interesting to see who gets in the final top 25 poll.
Agree.
Did Darron Lee declare pro yet?
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I believe so yes.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
This is from a poster on eleven warriors...No I did not write this but he makes some good points.
Committee needs to go pound sand with their unbelievable over emphasis on Conference Champs and/or Divisional Champs. Sparty and Iowa lost their games by a combined score of 83-0. That stat alone should speak volumes. I don't count the 16 charity pts Stanford allowed Iowa. Sparty never stood a snowball's chance in you know what, of competing with Bama with a totally one dimensional offense with a QB who cannot run at all. Iowa played a horrifically weak schedule which included gift games from injury riddled Badgers and Nebraska. They looked like a hapless Div II opponent vs Stanford. They were fooling themselves. Lets be frank about Sparty. They never could stop the pass and would never have been in CFP had TTUN's punter not flubbed kick and a freak driving rainstorm that showed up at the shoe and struck fear in Buckeyes coaching and completely grounded our passing game. Every element that could go wrong did, and this allowed our two divisional champs to get destroyed. I have advocated for an 8 team playoff since system was first created. I think Ohio State essentially, crushed an outstanding ND team. We did the same thing to TTUN. I fully realize that the Committee needs resume fodder with Conference Champs but I would bet my bottom dollar that many of them privately knew that Buckeyes should have at least had a shot especially after Buckeyes stomped TTUN into the ground.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: keets With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
Yep, I remember thinking, why are the playoff games being played before the Jan. 1 games. Seems like Saturday Jan.2 would have been better. I don't like the championship game being played on Monday night. Us taxpayers have to work Tuesday. I guess it's all about money as usual.
Originally posted by: garnettstyle The Pac 12, Big 10, and ACC are pretty even. After a lackluster season, The SEC has a shot at 9 wins. Be interesting to see who gets in the final top 25 poll.
"Lackluster" ?????? The SEC beating up on each other was anything but lackluster There were some very big games in October and November. Today, teams need to be in the playoff mode when the season starts.
Garnett, I've been messing with you about OSU. They are pretty good and you have to be their best fan. I admire your spirit.
My final 4: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Stanford
PS: We would have beat y'all this year, we were pulling for y'all against MSU. We were just as disappointed as you.
I was not going to even go into the details- There is no question that there were hard feelings over the way that Rosebowl selection was handled. And it was not handled well.
Legend has it that Michigan voted against Michigan State joining the Big 9. Instead, UM voted in favor of Pitt joining the conference. So I am not sure it was done out of jealousy as much as "evening the score" for something that happened 20 some years earlier... The MSU AD was a UM grad as I recall- his name escapes me but this transpired after Duffy retired.
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I was not going to even go into the details- There is no question that there were hard feelings over the way that Rosebowl selection was handled. And it was not handled well.
Legend has it that Michigan voted against Michigan State joining the Big 9. Instead, UM voted in favor of Pitt joining the conference. So I am not sure it was done out of jealousy as much as "evening the score" for something that happened 20 some years earlier... The MSU AD was a UM grad as I recall- his name escapes me but this transpired after Duffy retired.
Didn't know all that, good story. Nice to hear old stories from you, Mark and Keets.
Yes sir, it's a pin. I thought you could stick it on a hat or something. I meant to get you a program too but I was a bit pissed off when it was over and headed straight for the exits LOL
Disappointing bowl season for my Pac 12. 6-4 but favored in all but one game I believe. Plus, UCLA's embarrassment and Oregon's meltdown. Other than a dominating win by Stanford nothing to write home about. Oh well....
I was not going to even go into the details- There is no question that there were hard feelings over the way that Rosebowl selection was handled. And it was not handled well.
Legend has it that Michigan voted against Michigan State joining the Big 9. Instead, UM voted in favor of Pitt joining the conference. So I am not sure it was done out of jealousy as much as "evening the score" for something that happened 20 some years earlier... The MSU AD was a UM grad as I recall- his name escapes me but this transpired after Duffy retired.
Didn't know all that, good story. Nice to hear old stories from you, Mark and Keets.
Burt Smith was MSU's AD. Wayne Duke was the commissioner. Michigan was certain that Duke influenced the vote as Michigans QB Dennis Franklin was injured in the second half and Duke was under a lot of heat since the Big Ten had been sucking in the Rose Bowls and really wanted the win that year. Former MSU coach Duff Daugherety was in the ABC booth that day and commented that Michigan dominated and deserved the bid. Even Woody Hayes thought Michigan would get the nod as OSU went the year before and lost. Bo went to bed certain Michigan would get the nod the following day. They only needed 5 votes. They got 4 and Bo was certain that Duke engineered a back room deal. In the end this only added to the bitter rivalry.
I'm I still stull bitter? Yes
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Disappointing bowl season for my Pac 12. 6-4 but favored in all but one game I believe. Plus, UCLA's embarrassment and Oregon's meltdown. Other than a dominating win by Stanford nothing to write home about. Oh well....
Ya, they blew their chance last night to go 8-2. Almost.
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What gets lost in this years football playoffs is that you have the two best and the two most deserving teams playing for the National Championship. If it were the old BCS system these would be the very same teams playing for a National Championship. If under the old system then MSU and Oklahoma would be crying and saying they got screwed and deserved a bid and this thread would be at 2000 posts. The fact is they got there chance and got spanked. You never know UNTIL you play the games. Not Clemson's or Alabama's fault. There is no perfect system
As far as OSU goes if you are going to play a soft schedule you better win all your games and look good doing it. They did neither. As for Stanford, don't lose two games in the regular season. They only need to look in the mirror and blame themselves and not the system. I swear no one holds themselves accountable anymore.
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Legend has it that the Illinois AD switched his vote in view of Franklin's injury which hurt Michigan. Technically, there never should have been a vote in view of the so-called no repeat rule- OSU had been to the Rosebowl the prior year. Michigan should have gone.
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Legend has it that the Illinois AD switched his vote in view of Franklin's injury which hurt Michigan. Technically, there never should have been a vote in view of the so-called no repeat rule- OSU had been to the Rosebowl the prior year. Michigan should have gone.
You have a good memory. The night before the Illinois AD said he was voting for Michigan and flipped his vote in the morning. Good stuff
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Originally posted by: Justacommeman What gets lost in this years football playoffs is that you have the two best and the two most deserving teams playing for the National Championship. If it were the old BCS system these would be the very same teams playing for a National Championship. If under the old system then MSU and Oklahoma would be crying and saying they got screwed and deserved a bid and this thread would be at 2000 posts. The fact is they got there chance and got spanked. You never know UNTIL you play the games. Not Clemson's or Alabama's fault. There is no perfect system
As far as OSU goes if you are going to play a soft schedule you better win all your games and look good doing it. They did neither. As for Stanford, don't lose two games in the regular season. They only need to look in the mirror and blame themselves and not the system. I swear no one holds themselves accountable anymore.
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Under the old BCS system Ohio State would've been sitting home last year. The best 2 teams are not playing this year. Ohio State is by far the most talented team in the nation and proved it by destroying 2 top ten teams.
I'm sorry but the bowls proved the committee got it wrong. This year, Ohio State was rated as one of the 4 best teams in the country by most major computer formulas as well before bowl season began. Sparty and Iowa were top 15 teams in those formulas and their bowl games showed it to be true. Computer rankings should be a bigger factor in the committee's decisions. We'll get better bowl games from it.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
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Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Hard to say any one conference is dominating the bowl season thus far. Seems Pac 12, Big 10 and SEC all doing pretty well with some wins and some losses. Big 12 is struggling though. I can't remember any big wins by them!?
Lots of parity. Big 12 only 1 bowl win but have 3 games tomorrow. Despite Stanford winning today, the Big 10 did quite well against the Pac 12 this year.
Michigan State beat Oregon,
Nebraska beat UCLA,
Northwestern beat Stanford,
Wisconsin beat USC.
I was speaking of the bowl season. We should probably wait until the championship game is over before that debate starts.
I believe that wish will be granted the first week of the 2016 season when OSU travels to Oklahoma. BTW, it can get pretty hot up North, not as hot as in the deep South, but hot nonetheless.
Ohio State is the best team in the Big Ten.
Maybe. But they had their chance -against a backup qb, no less - and blew it.
The Michigan State, Northwestern and Iowa beat downs were so predictable.
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What about the other beat downs? No close games at all.
Yah, not too much excitement. The OSU and Michigan games were just as predictable
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With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Could be. I think Bama and Oklahoma being such favorites could have had something to do with it. Bama and Oklahoma are teams people watch bc of their football tradition. Not so much for Clemson and MSU, jmo.
Keets, you got me to thinking about those cold weather games. I remember in 1983 we played Boston College up there. Wind chill was in the teens. Boston College beat us that year and the next in Tuscaloosa. They had a pretty famous qb. They showed the Bama players about to freeze to death during the game. They caught Cornelius Bennett saying to his mama, " mama, have some hot biscuits and gravy when I get home". They called him "Biscuit" from then on.
Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
It was because the games were on NY's Eve. You are so naive.
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With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
It was because the games were on NY's Eve. You are so naive.
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Sure that was probably the main reason you idiot. Ohio State not playing was also a factor. We will find out a week from Monday how well the national championship game ratings are. Last year it drew 33 million viewers.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
Garnett, where did Sagarin rank Alabama and OSU?
Great bowl season for the Big 10 Going 5-5 they overachieved considering only 3 were favored. MSU, Iowa, and Northwestern didn't show. 7 out of the 10 played well and Indiana lost in overtime on a controversial call, so it could've easily been 6 wins. Probably will have 6 teams ranked in the top 25 in the final rankings.
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and Ohio State were favored. That's 4 teams. Once again your facts don't check out. If you think 5-5 are a conference record is good then well, your standards are low. As a Big Ten fan I was underwhelmed and embarrassed at times during the bowl season. Business as usual. You can't polish a turd but yet you try.
The Sec proved once again they are the class of college football. Look at their wins and how they won. They proved it on the field. The PAC 12 is not far behind.
In the premier conference match ups ( both teams ranked) it was ugly save for Michigan 41 vs Florida 7
The Alabama/MSU and Stanford/Iowa games couldn't have been drawn up any better as a measuring stick. Unless of course you think MSU and Iowa were over rated. That I would buy and that's what I've been saying all year and it was proved out. Men against boys.
#2 Alabama 38 # 3 MSU 0
#6 Stanford 45 #5 Iowa 16
#23 Tennessee 45 # 13 Northwestern 6
Happy New Year!
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Great bowl season for the Big 10 Going 5-5 they overachieved considering only 3 were favored. MSU, Iowa, and Northwestern didn't show. 7 out of the 10 played well and Indiana lost in overtime on a controversial call, so it could've easily been 6 wins. Probably will have 6 teams ranked in the top 25 in the final rankings.
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and Ohio State were favored. That's 4 teams. Once again your facts don't check out. If you think 5-5 are a conference record is good then well, your standards are low. As a Big Ten fan I was underwhelmed and embarrassed at times during the bowl season. Business as usual. You can't polish a turd but yet you try.
The Sec proved once again they are the class of college football. Look at their wins and how they won. They proved it on the field. The PAC 12 is not far behind.
In the premier conference match ups ( both teams ranked) it was ugly save for Michigan 41 vs Florida 7
The Alabama/MSU and Stanford/Iowa games couldn't have been drawn up any better as a measuring stick. Unless of course you think MSU and Iowa were over rated. That I would buy and that's what I've been saying all year and it was proved out. Men against boys.
#2 Alabama 38 # 3 MSU 0
#6 Stanford 45 #5 Iowa 16
#23 Tennessee 45 # 13 Northwestern 6
Happy New Year!
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Once again your are wrong. 5 wins is good for the big 10. Go back the last 20 years and see how many wins they usually get in the bowl season. Usually its only 2 or 3 wins.
The SEC and PAC 12 don't play each so of course they have more wins and the PAC 12 plays a lot of non-power 5 teams. Also a factor.
The SEC and PAC 12 are no better than any other conference.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
Absolutely. It was because Ohio State didn't play. They had the highest rated games this year and one reason why the ratings were lower.
It was because the games were on NY's Eve. You are so naive.
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Sure that was probably the main reason you idiot. Ohio State not playing was also a factor. We will find out a week from Monday how well the national championship game ratings are. Last year it drew 33 million viewers.
Who cares. Ohio State is so last year. I'm sure the fact that last year was the inaugural year and the fact that Oregon played had nothing to do with it.
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Great bowl season for the Big 10 Going 5-5 they overachieved considering only 3 were favored. MSU, Iowa, and Northwestern didn't show. 7 out of the 10 played well and Indiana lost in overtime on a controversial call, so it could've easily been 6 wins. Probably will have 6 teams ranked in the top 25 in the final rankings.
Considering there are no sec vs Pac 12 matchups might explain why the SEC and Pac 12 have the most wins
Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and Ohio State were favored. That's 4 teams. Once again your facts don't check out. If you think 5-5 are a conference record is good then well, your standards are low. As a Big Ten fan I was underwhelmed and embarrassed at times during the bowl season. Business as usual. You can't polish a turd but yet you try.
The Sec proved once again they are the class of college football. Look at their wins and how they won. They proved it on the field. The PAC 12 is not far behind.
In the premier conference match ups ( both teams ranked) it was ugly save for Michigan 41 vs Florida 7
The Alabama/MSU and Stanford/Iowa games couldn't have been drawn up any better as a measuring stick. Unless of course you think MSU and Iowa were over rated. That I would buy and that's what I've been saying all year and it was proved out. Men against boys.
#2 Alabama 38 # 3 MSU 0
#6 Stanford 45 #5 Iowa 16
#23 Tennessee 45 # 13 Northwestern 6
Happy New Year!
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Once again your are wrong. 5 wins is good for the big 10. Go back the last 20 years and see how many wins they usually get in the bowl season. Usually its only 2 or 3 wins.
The SEC and PAC 12 don't play each so of course they have more wins and the PAC 12 plays a lot of non-power 5 teams. Also a factor.
Yah. You are correct. They usually suck much worse. I would like to see 7-3 or 8-2 every once in awhile. I was told all year how good the Big Ten was by you. 5-5? Wow
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With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
here is a good article that covers this
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
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Unfortunately, this dates back further than most remember, but the two legendary games for the program were the MSU-Notre Dame 10-10 tie in the 1966 season and their upset loss at the hands of UCLA in the 1966 Rosebowl 14-12. But MSU beat the Bruin teams coached by the legendary "Red" Sanders in the 1954 and 1956 Rosebowl games.
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With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
here is a good article that covers this
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
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Good research, makes sense to me.
Actually Michigan State has a great football tradition and was a national power from the late 1940s through their last national championship season which was 1966. Biggie Munn and Duffy Daugherty were great Head coaches and I suspect they are both in the College Football HOF (for coaches). Munn took on the role of AD at Michigan State after the 1952 or 53 season. Munn had an incredible run as head coach but most of his time as head coach was prior to being in the Big Ten-
Unfortunately, this dates back further than most remember, but the two legendary games for the program were the MSU-Notre Dame 10-10 tie in the 1966 season and their upset loss at the hands of UCLA in the 1966 Rosebowl 14-12. But MSU beat the Bruin teams coached by the legendary "Red" Sanders in the 1954 and 1956 Rosebowl games.
Yep, I remember that 1966 season. We (Alabama) won the national championship in 1964 and 1965. In 1966 Kenny Stabler and Bama went undefeated and kicked Nebraska's ass in the Orange Bowl. They gave it to MSU which tied Notre Dame in the last regular season game. Neither MSU or Notre Dame played in a bowl game that year. There is a book called THE MISSING RING, great read about that season and the bias northern media. We won the championship 3 years in a row, in our hearts we know that. Saban came close, won it in '11 and '12 but in '13 Auburn put that pick 6 on us and ended that.
Some teams are 1 and done..........................
Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
Garnett, ya gotta link for that Sagarin Poll? I'd like to see the TOP 25.
Actually, Stanford DID run the score up. They played their starters the entire game and were throwing bombs with less than 3 minutes to play. That's kinda the definition of running up the score.
I didn't consider that so I will cede you that point. I was focusing on them running and not throwing in the second half. With few exceptions Stanford just kept running the second half. Sadly it reminded me of Nebraska running through UCLA. Lol. Hogan had 21 passes for the game. To me you are running it up when, like Ole Miss, you are throwing bombs late in the game for TDs when up by about 35. I did not see Stanford doing that so maybe I turned away from the TV at those moments. If they were throwing bombs with 3 minutes left that's wrong. That's running it up and totally not necessary. Iowa was beat when it was 21-0... and for sure at 35-0. They just had no answers on offense or defense.
As for your comment about Michigan beating Florida that was the easiest game of the bowl season to predict. Any gamblers who missed that weren't paying attention. Easy money. Florida, like Iowa, dodged a lot of bullets with their schedule this season. Just the way it works some years when you dodge the good teams and perennial good teams have down years. Yesterday was Florida's 4th straight game under 300 yards of total offense. It's hard to beat good teams when you do that. They backdoored into the championship spot by their division being down this year... just like the Big 10 west. Well, not that bad but down nonetheless.
Funny all the Florida fans were saying they were going to whip Michigans ass. You are also wrong about them having an easy schedule. They had the 19th toughest schedule in the nation according to sagarin.
Garnett, ya gotta link for that Sagarin Poll? I'd like to see the TOP 25.
here let me help a brother out. the poll and SOS
Since garnettstyle is now quoting Sagrin for his purposes and opened the door here are a few notables through yesterday
SOS
Alabama 1
Arkansas 4
Auburn 6
LSU 7
Mississippi 16
Florida 19
MSU 29
Michigan 37
Iowa 50
Ohio State 56
FYI Alabama is 9-1 against the top 30. OSU is 2-1.
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Anyway, Alabama had some terrific teams, great players and has maintained an incredible winning tradition- and even playing in the Rosebowl prior to the Big 9- PCAA agreement which started with the 1947 game.
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
here is a good article that covers this
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
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Good research, makes sense to me.
here is another good article
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SEC 8-2
PAC 12 6-4
Big Ten 5-5
ACC 4-5
Big 12 3-4
Outside of the SEC pretty even. The SEC West ended going 6-1. The 8 bowl wins sets a NCAA record.
And finally we had two great games to end the bowl season with. Good for TCU after getting screwed last year.
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The Big Ten did not play in any other post season games at that time. And that changed shortly after famous Michigan-OSU tie and the controversy surrounding the decision that OSU would go to the Rosebowl. I am not getting into that here
Ya, the AD from MSU out of jealousy and spite picked OSU over Michigan to break the tie. It will never be forgiven. My best friends dad refused to take his Spartie son back to school that weekend. Told him to take a bus. His dad never set foot in East Lansing again.
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
The Pac 12, Big 10, and ACC are pretty even. After a lackluster season, The SEC has a shot at 9 wins. Be interesting to see who gets in the final top 25 poll.
Agree.
Did Darron Lee declare pro yet?
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The Pac 12, Big 10, and ACC are pretty even. After a lackluster season, The SEC has a shot at 9 wins. Be interesting to see who gets in the final top 25 poll.
Agree.
Did Darron Lee declare pro yet?
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I believe so yes.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Committee needs to go pound sand with their unbelievable over emphasis on Conference Champs and/or Divisional Champs. Sparty and Iowa lost their games by a combined score of 83-0. That stat alone should speak volumes. I don't count the 16 charity pts Stanford allowed Iowa. Sparty never stood a snowball's chance in you know what, of competing with Bama with a totally one dimensional offense with a QB who cannot run at all. Iowa played a horrifically weak schedule which included gift games from injury riddled Badgers and Nebraska. They looked like a hapless Div II opponent vs Stanford. They were fooling themselves. Lets be frank about Sparty. They never could stop the pass and would never have been in CFP had TTUN's punter not flubbed kick and a freak driving rainstorm that showed up at the shoe and struck fear in Buckeyes coaching and completely grounded our passing game. Every element that could go wrong did, and this allowed our two divisional champs to get destroyed. I have advocated for an 8 team playoff since system was first created. I think Ohio State essentially, crushed an outstanding ND team. We did the same thing to TTUN. I fully realize that the Committee needs resume fodder with Conference Champs but I would bet my bottom dollar that many of them privately knew that Buckeyes should have at least had a shot especially after Buckeyes stomped TTUN into the ground.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
With the rating numbers in from ESPN for the two playoff games showing a drop from last year between 35-40% I would ask the inevitable question --- Does anyone think that is reflective of the Teams that played??
here is a good article that covers this
Last year the games were on New Years Day when people are at home. If you lived on the West Coast where millions live and you worked on New Year's Eve you missed both games. Add the fact that people do other things on NY Eve's it was a recipe for bad network ratings. Streaming was way up. Probably tons of guys watching on their mobile devises much to the chagrin of their dates in the Eastern and Central time zones.
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Good research, makes sense to me.
here is another good article
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Yep, I remember thinking, why are the playoff games being played before the Jan. 1 games. Seems like Saturday Jan.2 would have been better. I don't like the championship game being played on Monday night. Us taxpayers have to work Tuesday. I guess it's all about money as usual.
The Pac 12, Big 10, and ACC are pretty even. After a lackluster season, The SEC has a shot at 9 wins. Be interesting to see who gets in the final top 25 poll.
"Lackluster" ?????? The SEC beating up on each other was anything but lackluster There were some very big games in October and November. Today, teams need to be in the playoff mode when the season starts.
Garnett, I've been messing with you about OSU. They are pretty good and you have to be their best fan. I admire your spirit.
My final 4:
Alabama,
Clemson,
Ohio State and
Stanford
PS: We would have beat y'all this year, we were pulling for y'all against MSU. We were just as disappointed as you.
I was not going to even go into the details- There is no question that there were hard feelings over the way that Rosebowl selection was handled. And it was not handled well.
Legend has it that Michigan voted against Michigan State joining the Big 9. Instead, UM voted in favor of Pitt joining the conference. So I am not sure it was done out of jealousy as much as "evening the score" for something that happened 20 some years earlier... The MSU AD was a UM grad as I recall- his name escapes me but this transpired after Duffy retired.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Justacommeman-
I was not going to even go into the details- There is no question that there were hard feelings over the way that Rosebowl selection was handled. And it was not handled well.
Legend has it that Michigan voted against Michigan State joining the Big 9. Instead, UM voted in favor of Pitt joining the conference. So I am not sure it was done out of jealousy as much as "evening the score" for something that happened 20 some years earlier... The MSU AD was a UM grad as I recall- his name escapes me but this transpired after Duffy retired.
Didn't know all that, good story. Nice to hear old stories from you, Mark and Keets.
Garnettstyle,
Send me your address, I picked this up for you.
For me? What is it?
Yes sir, it's a pin. I thought you could stick it on a hat or something. I meant to get you a program too but I was a bit pissed off when it was over and headed straight for the exits LOL
Mike
Justacommeman-
I was not going to even go into the details- There is no question that there were hard feelings over the way that Rosebowl selection was handled. And it was not handled well.
Legend has it that Michigan voted against Michigan State joining the Big 9. Instead, UM voted in favor of Pitt joining the conference. So I am not sure it was done out of jealousy as much as "evening the score" for something that happened 20 some years earlier... The MSU AD was a UM grad as I recall- his name escapes me but this transpired after Duffy retired.
Didn't know all that, good story. Nice to hear old stories from you, Mark and Keets.
Burt Smith was MSU's AD. Wayne Duke was the commissioner. Michigan was certain that Duke influenced the vote as Michigans QB Dennis Franklin was injured in the second half and Duke was under a lot of heat since the Big Ten had been sucking in the Rose Bowls and really wanted the win that year. Former MSU coach Duff Daugherety was in the ABC booth that day and commented that Michigan dominated and deserved the bid. Even Woody Hayes thought Michigan would get the nod as OSU went the year before and lost. Bo went to bed certain Michigan would get the nod the following day. They only needed 5 votes. They got 4 and Bo was certain that Duke engineered a back room deal. In the end this only added to the bitter rivalry.
I'm I still stull bitter? Yes
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Disappointing bowl season for my Pac 12. 6-4 but favored in all but one game I believe. Plus, UCLA's embarrassment and Oregon's meltdown. Other than a dominating win by Stanford nothing to write home about. Oh well....
Ya, they blew their chance last night to go 8-2. Almost.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
As far as OSU goes if you are going to play a soft schedule you better win all your games and look good doing it. They did neither. As for Stanford, don't lose two games in the regular season. They only need to look in the mirror and blame themselves and not the system. I swear no one holds themselves accountable anymore.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Legend has it that the Illinois AD switched his vote in view of Franklin's injury which hurt Michigan. Technically, there never should have been a vote in view of the so-called no repeat rule- OSU had been to the Rosebowl the prior year. Michigan should have gone.
You have a good memory. The night before the Illinois AD said he was voting for Michigan and flipped his vote in the morning. Good stuff
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
What gets lost in this years football playoffs is that you have the two best and the two most deserving teams playing for the National Championship. If it were the old BCS system these would be the very same teams playing for a National Championship. If under the old system then MSU and Oklahoma would be crying and saying they got screwed and deserved a bid and this thread would be at 2000 posts. The fact is they got there chance and got spanked. You never know UNTIL you play the games. Not Clemson's or Alabama's fault. There is no perfect system
As far as OSU goes if you are going to play a soft schedule you better win all your games and look good doing it. They did neither. As for Stanford, don't lose two games in the regular season. They only need to look in the mirror and blame themselves and not the system. I swear no one holds themselves accountable anymore.
mark
Under the old BCS system Ohio State would've been sitting home last year. The best 2 teams are not playing this year. Ohio State is by far the most talented team in the nation and proved it by destroying 2 top ten teams.
I'm sorry but the bowls proved the committee got it wrong.
This year, Ohio State was rated as one of the 4 best teams in the country by most major computer formulas as well before bowl season began. Sparty and Iowa were top 15 teams in those formulas and their bowl games showed it to be true. Computer rankings should be a bigger factor in the committee's decisions. We'll get better bowl games from it.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED