What gets lost in this years football playoffs is that you have the two best and the two most deserving teams playing for the National Championship. If it were the old BCS system these would be the very same teams playing for a National Championship. If under the old system then MSU and Oklahoma would be crying and saying they got screwed and deserved a bid and this thread would be at 2000 posts. The fact is they got there chance and got spanked. You never know UNTIL you play the games. Not Clemson's or Alabama's fault. There is no perfect system
As far as OSU goes if you are going to play a soft schedule you better win all your games and look good doing it. They did neither. As for Stanford, don't lose two games in the regular season. They only need to look in the mirror and blame themselves and not the system. I swear no one holds themselves accountable anymore.
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Under the old BCS system Ohio State would've been sitting home last year. The best 2 teams are not playing this year. Ohio State is by far the most talented team in the nation and proved it by destroying 2 top ten teams.
I'm sorry but the bowls proved the committee got it wrong.
This year, Ohio State was rated as one of the 4 best teams in the country by most major computer formulas as well before bowl season began. Sparty and Iowa were top 15 teams in those formulas and their bowl games showed it to be true. Computer rankings should be a bigger factor in the committee's decisions. We'll get better bowl games from it.
1) Don't blame the committee that OSU wasted their talent. I suggest they actually play their way in next time.
2) The only thing that the semi finals proved was that Clemson and Alabama were clearly the best teams. They proved it on the field. Hardly the committes's fault they beat the tar out of the Big Ten and Big 12 champions.
3) I would never say I destroyed a team especially like ND when they put up 28 points and 400 yards on me. They were soundly beat but destroyed? Not hardly. Up until the Notre Dame game Ohio State played one excellent game against a good team all season. Is the commitee supposed to guess that Ohio State was going to play a second good game? Too late. OSU shot their wad and came up short.
MSU beat you far and square. Next time actually make it into the championship game and then win hat game. You did neither. Deal with it.
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This is from a poster on eleven warriors...No I did not write this but he makes some good points.
Committee needs to go pound sand with their unbelievable over emphasis on Conference Champs and/or Divisional Champs. Sparty and Iowa lost their games by a combined score of 83-0. That stat alone should speak volumes. I don't count the 16 charity pts Stanford allowed Iowa. Sparty never stood a snowball's chance in you know what, of competing with Bama with a totally one dimensional offense with a QB who cannot run at all. Iowa played a horrifically weak schedule which included gift games from injury riddled Badgers and Nebraska. They looked like a hapless Div II opponent vs Stanford. They were fooling themselves. Lets be frank about Sparty. They never could stop the pass and would never have been in CFP had TTUN's punter not flubbed kick and a freak driving rainstorm that showed up at the shoe and struck fear in Buckeyes coaching and completely grounded our passing game. Every element that could go wrong did, and this allowed our two divisional champs to get destroyed. I have advocated for an 8 team playoff since system was first created. I think Ohio State essentially, crushed an outstanding ND team. We did the same thing to TTUN. I fully realize that the Committee needs resume fodder with Conference Champs but I would bet my bottom dollar that many of them privately knew that Buckeyes should have at least had a shot especially after Buckeyes stomped TTUN into the ground.
Nah we knew it wasn't you that wrote that. The only thing you have in common with that poster is that he also made very few good points.
Why I knew that wasn't you:
1) you spent all season trying to convince us that Iowa and MSU were great teams. I tried to tell you that they we're overrated. You called me an idiot. Guess what, they were over rated. You tried to tell us Iowa played a tough schedule. I told you they didn't. You called me an idiot. At least this poster was right about Iowa playing a weak schedule. His stance was in direct opposition to your view. Guess what, this poster was right. That's why I knew it couldn't be you.
You thought MSU and Iowa were tough. This poster didn't. He conviently forgot to mention they lost to MSU who he said sucked. Couldn't have been you.
I think you were just trying to build up Iowa and MSU as you thought it would look better for OSU when you beat them. Funny thing happened as you didn't beat either of them. In fact you lost to a team that Alabama pummeled into last century.
2) you spent all of last season and most of this season telling us that conference championships matter. In fact you clearly and gleefully stated that TCU got jumped last year because they didn't win their conference or championship game. You were ok with that. Well OSU has that in common with TCU as they didnt win their conference, division or champsionship either.
That was just another rambling rant. Not one of yours for a change.
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Committee needs to go pound sand with their unbelievable over emphasis on Conference Champs and/or Divisional Champs. Sparty and Iowa lost their games by a combined score of 83-0.
As much as OSU fans like me and garnett hate to admit it, Iowa was the Conference Champion and should have been in the playoff....................period. However, they weren't the best Team in the Conference if you assess everything from a point of logic. I am probably sounding like a broken record by now, but two things are inescapable to my way of thinking: one loss late in the season bears too much weight on the final decision for playoff Teams --- and --- the current format of four Teams is too restrictive.
With that said I believe the Teams in the playoff are probably the best in the Country at this time.
As to the TV ratings and the games being played on New Years Eve/Day vs. New Years Day/Saturday, I would have to believe that there was extensive research done which led to the decision. These things are all about revenue from the advertising and the advertisers must have believed this was the best choice. My hunch is that they won't make the same mistake again since they must be looking at numbers and seeing RED.
As to the TV ratings and the games being played on New Years Eve/Day vs. New Years Day/Saturday, I would have to believe that there was extensive research done which led to the decision. These things are all about revenue from the advertising and the advertisers must have believed this was the best choice. My hunch is that they won't make the same mistake again since they must be looking at numbers and seeing RED.
I agree that they did their research, and I agree they lost money compared to last year, but I heard they already have the next few years scheduled. Not all on NYE but some I believe. My thought is they are trying re-program our thinking to make NYE a football night. I don't see it happening myself. It's a dancing, drinking, eating out night in my world. Not a football night. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Even in the BCS world, they would not have been in the BCS championship. After the ND win, the computers have OSU no higher than number 3.
Kind of made my point. If we still had the BCS, and took 4 teams, OSU would've been in because the computers had them at #4 after the Championship games. No doubt the committee got it wrong. Their job is to get the 4 best teams. NOT the 4 best conference champions.
This morning on ESPN Mike the skinny guy even said he thought the Buckeyes were one of the best teams and a shame they weren't allowed in.
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Even in the BCS world, they would not have been in the BCS championship. After the ND win, the computers have OSU no higher than number 3.
Kind of made my point. If we still had the BCS, and took 4 teams, OSU would've been in because the computers had them at #4 after the Championship games. No doubt the committee got it wrong. Their job is to get the 4 best teams. NOT the 4 best conference champions.
This morning on ESPN Mike the skinny guy even said he thought the Buckeyes were one of the best teams and a shame they weren't allowed in.
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
There you go with "if" again. The defending champs lost at home to MSU 17-14. Bama beat 'em 38-0. Hey Garnett, when do y'all start practice for next year?
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
you really should stop while you're behind.
fat chance. he really believes this nonsense
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Originally posted by: PM770I'm curious about the groups thoughts on this: Who is better - Northwestern or Tennessee?
I was going through this thread and found this in an old post of mine. I guess this one we will find out!
Boy did we find out
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Oklahoma got waxed in their most recent bowl 40-6. I am taking Clemson and Mich state over Alabama.
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Michigan State will def be Alabama's toughest test this year by far.
Definitely
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Michigan State will def be Alabama's toughest test this year by far.
Definitely
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LOL! Tough day at work yesterday and this morning is busy. I just took a quick break and this made me smile. Thank you. LOL!!!!!!! Wow. Too funny. Good stuff.
The SEC had a near perfect bowl season. Only Florida's downward season end spiral really prevented it from being perfect. And I guess we will still need to see the Championship game, but the SEC teams all came through huge.
Massive disappointment for the Big Ten. While the record wasn't horrible and they did have nice wins (OSU, Wisc) and a huge one out of Michigan, the blowout losses by Sparty, Iowa and NW really skew the results. Very bad bowl season for the Big Ten.
Clemson is saving the ACC from a terrible bowl season. Bad losses by FSU and UNC. Even that next tier of the ACC (Pitt, Miami) lost. Now if Clemson wins it all is it a good bowl season for the ACC?
Big 12 was a disaster until the final day with the TCU and WVU wins. While their top 2 teams got stomped, their top 5 teams went 3-2, so they salvaged some respectability.
I guess I'm fairly alone in thinking the PAC 12 had a bad bowl season. Their Champion had a massive great win. But otherwise what else did they get? Losses by USC, UCLA And Oregon. Their record was fattened up outside the "Power 5" They went 2-4 in Power 5 bowl games.
I think the only conference that had a good bowl season was the SEC and their wasn't merely good, it was superb - almost impossible to be better. Every other conference was somewhere between mediocre and bad.
Originally posted by: PM770 We sure did find out: Tennessee > Northwestern.
As far as the conference results go:
The SEC had a near perfect bowl season. Only Florida's downward season end spiral really prevented it from being perfect. And I guess we will still need to see the Championship game, but the SEC teams all came through huge.
Massive disappointment for the Big Ten. While the record wasn't horrible and they did have nice wins (OSU, Wisc) and a huge one out of Michigan, the blowout losses by Sparty, Iowa and NW really skew the results. Very bad bowl season for the Big Ten.
Clemson is saving the ACC from a terrible bowl season. Bad losses by FSU and UNC. Even that next tier of the ACC (Pitt, Miami) lost. Now if Clemson wins it all is it a good bowl season for the ACC?
Big 12 was a disaster until the final day with the TCU and WVU wins. While their top 2 teams got stomped, their top 5 teams went 3-2, so they salvaged some respectability.
I guess I'm fairly alone in thinking the PAC 12 had a bad bowl season. Their Champion had a massive great win. But otherwise what else did they get? Losses by USC, UCLA And Oregon. Their record was fattened up outside the "Power 5" They went 2-4 in Power 5 bowl games.
I think the only conference that had a good bowl season was the SEC and their wasn't merely good, it was superb - almost impossible to be better. Every other conference was somewhere between mediocre and bad.
I agree with you on just about all accounts above. Especially on my own Pac 12. It was a very disappointing bowl season for the Pac. The Oregon meltdown sealed it as bad for me. Oh well, wait 'til next year!
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Even in the BCS world, they would not have been in the BCS championship. After the ND win, the computers have OSU no higher than number 3.
Kind of made my point. If we still had the BCS, and took 4 teams, OSU would've been in because the computers had them at #4 after the Championship games. No doubt the committee got it wrong. Their job is to get the 4 best teams. NOT the 4 best conference champions.
This morning on ESPN Mike the skinny guy even said he thought the Buckeyes were one of the best teams and a shame they weren't allowed in.
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
There you go with "if" again. The defending champs lost at home to MSU 17-14. Bama beat 'em 38-0. Hey Garnett, when do y'all start practice for next year?
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Bad weather affects the team with the potent offense. The TCU vs Baylor game this year proves it. Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
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Originally posted by: keets Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
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Ohio State is the only team to destroy Michigan and Notre Dame. All the other losses by those 2 teams were close. That should tell you right there Ohio State is one of the best.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
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Ohio State is the only team to destroy Michigan and Notre Dame. All the other losses by those 2 teams were close. That should tell you right there Ohio State is one of the best.
Did anyone else even play both Michigan and Notre Dame? If not there is no point. Besides ND put up 28 points and 400 yards on OSU so the destroy part is just you pontificating.
Ohio State is one of the best teams in the country.
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Originally posted by: keets Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
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Both Michigan and Notre Dame had tough schedules. Notre Dame played Clemson and lost by 2.
Ohio State is the only team to destroy Michigan and Notre Dame. All the other losses by those 2 teams were close. That should tell you right there Ohio State is one of the best.
Did anyone else even play both Michigan and Notre Dame? If not there is no point. Besides ND put up 28 points and 400 yards on OSU so the destroy part is just you pontificating.
Ohio State is one of the best teams in the country.
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Mark, you should no by now that I think the strength of schedule stat is hogwash. with that said, my point was that if a Team loses early in the season they can recover as Alabama did this year and OSU did last year, but to lose a game late dooms a playoff hope in most cases. MSU was built on a stout defense and little offense, they were fortunate to catch OSU flat with no help from the Coaching staff. As I watched the playoff game I figured it was only time till Alabama overwhelmed them. I think they would have done the same with Iowa but OSU would have been a much more competitive, exciting match.
I await next season and the absence of the Cardale Jones experiment.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Mark, you should no by now that I think the strength of schedule stat is hogwash. with that said, my point was that if a Team loses early in the season they can recover as Alabama did this year and OSU did last year, but to lose a game late dooms a playoff hope in most cases. MSU was built on a stout defense and little offense, they were fortunate to catch OSU flat with no help from the Coaching staff. As I watched the playoff game I figured it was only time till Alabama overwhelmed them. I think they would have done the same with Iowa but OSU would have been a much more competitive, exciting match.
I await next season and the absence of the Cardale Jones experiment.
I know you hate the SOS thing. However, its hard to ignore that Alabama went 9-1 against current ranked teams while OSU only played 3 teams that are currently ranked in the top 30. That is not a SOS based point.
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What players will Alabama be losing to the NFL?? With red-shirting, transfers and the payday of success that the NFL offers it can be tough to know who will be back.
Originally posted by: keets What players will Alabama be losing to the NFL?? With red-shirting, transfers and the payday of success that the NFL offers it can be tough to know who will be back.
Seniors: Ryan Kelly (C), Kenyon Drake (RB), Jarren Reed (DE), Reggie Ragland (LB), Cyrus Jones (CB), D.J. Pettway (DE), maybe Denzel Devall (LB).
Juniors leaving early: King Henry (RB), Jonathan Allen (DE), A'Shawn Robinson (NT).
Another question might be about recruiting. I heard this morning that OSU joined Alabama and Georgia in the lottery for Dalvin Cook's brother, James. I can't think of the backup for Elliot at OSU and wondered who ran behind Henry at Alabama. If James is anything like his older brother I would think both schools could fit him in somewhere. The report I heard had him at 5'10" and 180 which seems small, I suppose he'll grow, though.
Originally posted by: keets Another question might be about recruiting. I heard this morning that OSU joined Alabama and Georgia in the lottery for Dalvin Cook's brother, James. I can't think of the backup for Elliot at OSU and wondered who ran behind Henry at Alabama. If James is anything like his older brother I would think both schools could fit him in somewhere. The report I heard had him at 5'10" and 180 which seems small, I suppose he'll grow, though.
I'm not sold on Henry and how he'll translate to an NFL back. His O-line was what really made it for the Tide.
OSU, Alabama and Stanford all had excellent offensive lines. Good backs and great offensive lines are like a symphony. Henry, Elliot and McCaffrey can all attest to that.
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Regarding the Championship Game the moment shouldn't be too big for Swinney and Clemson.
Clemson's last 4 bowls
Clemson defeated Les Miles and LSU
Clemsom defeated Urban Meyer's and Ohio State
Clemson defeated Bob Stoops and Oklahoma the past two years
Now let's see if they can knock off the best in Saban and Alabama
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Originally posted by: Bullsitter Well now lets see, Saban beat MSU and Urban lost to MSU. Besides , when Urban was at Florida, Saban beat 'em so bad he had chest pains and retired.
Urban is 3-2 against Saban. Nice try.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Saban has won 4 National titles during the BCS plus era. Has a chance for a 5th on Monday.
Meyer's has wine 3 National titles during the same span
My point was that Swinney has beat Meyer's in a major bowl. Let's see if he can beat a Saban team.
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Originally posted by: Bullsitter Well now lets see, Saban beat MSU and Urban lost to MSU. Besides , when Urban was at Florida, Saban beat 'em so bad he had chest pains and retired.
Urban is 3-2 against Saban. Nice try.
Saban would have made it 3-3 if OSU had been good enough this year to make it to the playoffs. They didn't play enough quality opponents to even be considered.
that was a very sad ending to a very fine career. Coach Hayes fell into a trap which isn't all that uncommon: He became a legend even to himself and lost the ability to bow out gracefully. You can mock him if you choose to, but that might say more about you than Woody. Great Coaches shape the lives of men and although we shouldn't overlook or minimize their transgressions we probably shouldn't judge them too harshly for a single incident.
When my stepson was about 11-12 I can remember talking with his mother about the direction he was headed in. She was also concerned. Then he happened to meet an Assistant Football Coach/Head Wrestling Coach who suggested he try wrestling. Five years later when he was close to graduation the change was apparent: he set a school record for tackles in a season, finished 3rd at 195 in D2 at State and was volunteering at Hospice. We are both grateful for that Coach who took time to work with him in the two sports and dramatically changed his life.
I never underestimate the way a single person can affect a life. I'm sure there are many who could share testimonials about Woody Hayes.
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What gets lost in this years football playoffs is that you have the two best and the two most deserving teams playing for the National Championship. If it were the old BCS system these would be the very same teams playing for a National Championship. If under the old system then MSU and Oklahoma would be crying and saying they got screwed and deserved a bid and this thread would be at 2000 posts. The fact is they got there chance and got spanked. You never know UNTIL you play the games. Not Clemson's or Alabama's fault. There is no perfect system
As far as OSU goes if you are going to play a soft schedule you better win all your games and look good doing it. They did neither. As for Stanford, don't lose two games in the regular season. They only need to look in the mirror and blame themselves and not the system. I swear no one holds themselves accountable anymore.
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Under the old BCS system Ohio State would've been sitting home last year. The best 2 teams are not playing this year. Ohio State is by far the most talented team in the nation and proved it by destroying 2 top ten teams.
I'm sorry but the bowls proved the committee got it wrong.
This year, Ohio State was rated as one of the 4 best teams in the country by most major computer formulas as well before bowl season began. Sparty and Iowa were top 15 teams in those formulas and their bowl games showed it to be true. Computer rankings should be a bigger factor in the committee's decisions. We'll get better bowl games from it.
1) Don't blame the committee that OSU wasted their talent. I suggest they actually play their way in next time.
2) The only thing that the semi finals proved was that Clemson and Alabama were clearly the best teams. They proved it on the field. Hardly the committes's fault they beat the tar out of the Big Ten and Big 12 champions.
3) I would never say I destroyed a team especially like ND when they put up 28 points and 400 yards on me. They were soundly beat but destroyed? Not hardly. Up until the Notre Dame game Ohio State played one excellent game against a good team all season. Is the commitee supposed to guess that Ohio State was going to play a second good game? Too late. OSU shot their wad and came up short.
MSU beat you far and square. Next time actually make it into the championship game and then win hat game. You did neither. Deal with it.
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This is from a poster on eleven warriors...No I did not write this but he makes some good points.
Committee needs to go pound sand with their unbelievable over emphasis on Conference Champs and/or Divisional Champs. Sparty and Iowa lost their games by a combined score of 83-0. That stat alone should speak volumes. I don't count the 16 charity pts Stanford allowed Iowa. Sparty never stood a snowball's chance in you know what, of competing with Bama with a totally one dimensional offense with a QB who cannot run at all. Iowa played a horrifically weak schedule which included gift games from injury riddled Badgers and Nebraska. They looked like a hapless Div II opponent vs Stanford. They were fooling themselves. Lets be frank about Sparty. They never could stop the pass and would never have been in CFP had TTUN's punter not flubbed kick and a freak driving rainstorm that showed up at the shoe and struck fear in Buckeyes coaching and completely grounded our passing game. Every element that could go wrong did, and this allowed our two divisional champs to get destroyed. I have advocated for an 8 team playoff since system was first created. I think Ohio State essentially, crushed an outstanding ND team. We did the same thing to TTUN. I fully realize that the Committee needs resume fodder with Conference Champs but I would bet my bottom dollar that many of them privately knew that Buckeyes should have at least had a shot especially after Buckeyes stomped TTUN into the ground.
Nah we knew it wasn't you that wrote that. The only thing you have in common with that poster is that he also made very few good points.
Why I knew that wasn't you:
1) you spent all season trying to convince us that Iowa and MSU were great teams. I tried to tell you that they we're overrated. You called me an idiot. Guess what, they were over rated. You tried to tell us Iowa played a tough schedule. I told you they didn't. You called me an idiot. At least this poster was right about Iowa playing a weak schedule. His stance was in direct opposition to your view. Guess what, this poster was right. That's why I knew it couldn't be you.
You thought MSU and Iowa were tough. This poster didn't. He conviently forgot to mention they lost to MSU who he said sucked. Couldn't have been you.
I think you were just trying to build up Iowa and MSU as you thought it would look better for OSU when you beat them. Funny thing happened as you didn't beat either of them. In fact you lost to a team that Alabama pummeled into last century.
2) you spent all of last season and most of this season telling us that conference championships matter. In fact you clearly and gleefully stated that TCU got jumped last year because they didn't win their conference or championship game. You were ok with that. Well OSU has that in common with TCU as they didnt win their conference, division or champsionship either.
That was just another rambling rant. Not one of yours for a change.
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As much as OSU fans like me and garnett hate to admit it, Iowa was the Conference Champion and should have been in the playoff....................period. However, they weren't the best Team in the Conference if you assess everything from a point of logic. I am probably sounding like a broken record by now, but two things are inescapable to my way of thinking: one loss late in the season bears too much weight on the final decision for playoff Teams --- and --- the current format of four Teams is too restrictive.
With that said I believe the Teams in the playoff are probably the best in the Country at this time.
As to the TV ratings and the games being played on New Years Eve/Day vs. New Years Day/Saturday, I would have to believe that there was extensive research done which led to the decision. These things are all about revenue from the advertising and the advertisers must have believed this was the best choice. My hunch is that they won't make the same mistake again since they must be looking at numbers and seeing RED.
Even in the BCS world, they would not have been in the BCS championship. After the ND
win, the computers have OSU no higher than number 3.
We have the best 2 teams in the National Championship game. Alabama is -7.
I went to ND, but never felt they were as good as their ranking. They played well against
Clemson and Stamford and lost. ND could have lost at least 4 games that they won. Remember BC?
As to the TV ratings and the games being played on New Years Eve/Day vs. New Years Day/Saturday, I would have to believe that there was extensive research done which led to the decision. These things are all about revenue from the advertising and the advertisers must have believed this was the best choice. My hunch is that they won't make the same mistake again since they must be looking at numbers and seeing RED.
I agree that they did their research, and I agree they lost money compared to last year, but I heard they already have the next few years scheduled. Not all on NYE but some I believe. My thought is they are trying re-program our thinking to make NYE a football night. I don't see it happening myself. It's a dancing, drinking, eating out night in my world. Not a football night. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Even in the BCS world, they would not have been in the BCS championship. After the ND
win, the computers have OSU no higher than number 3.
Kind of made my point. If we still had the BCS, and took 4 teams, OSU would've been in because the computers had them at #4 after the Championship games. No doubt the committee got it wrong. Their job is to get the 4 best teams. NOT the 4 best conference champions.
This morning on ESPN Mike the skinny guy even said he thought the Buckeyes were one of the best teams and a shame they weren't allowed in.
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Even in the BCS world, they would not have been in the BCS championship. After the ND
win, the computers have OSU no higher than number 3.
Kind of made my point. If we still had the BCS, and took 4 teams, OSU would've been in because the computers had them at #4 after the Championship games. No doubt the committee got it wrong. Their job is to get the 4 best teams. NOT the 4 best conference champions.
This morning on ESPN Mike the skinny guy even said he thought the Buckeyes were one of the best teams and a shame they weren't allowed in.
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
There you go with "if" again. The defending champs lost at home to MSU 17-14. Bama beat 'em 38-0. Hey Garnett, when do y'all start practice for next year?
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you really should stop while you're behind.
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
you really should stop while you're behind.
fat chance. he really believes this nonsense
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I was going through this thread and found this in an old post of mine. I guess this one we will find out!
Boy did we find out
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Oklahoma got waxed in their most recent bowl 40-6. I am taking Clemson and Mich state over Alabama.
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Michigan State will def be Alabama's toughest test this year by far.
Definitely
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Michigan State will def be Alabama's toughest test this year by far.
Definitely
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LOL! Tough day at work yesterday and this morning is busy. I just took a quick break and this made me smile. Thank you. LOL!!!!!!! Wow. Too funny. Good stuff.
As far as the conference results go:
The SEC had a near perfect bowl season. Only Florida's downward season end spiral really prevented it from being perfect. And I guess we will still need to see the Championship game, but the SEC teams all came through huge.
Massive disappointment for the Big Ten. While the record wasn't horrible and they did have nice wins (OSU, Wisc) and a huge one out of Michigan, the blowout losses by Sparty, Iowa and NW really skew the results. Very bad bowl season for the Big Ten.
Clemson is saving the ACC from a terrible bowl season. Bad losses by FSU and UNC. Even that next tier of the ACC (Pitt, Miami) lost. Now if Clemson wins it all is it a good bowl season for the ACC?
Big 12 was a disaster until the final day with the TCU and WVU wins. While their top 2 teams got stomped, their top 5 teams went 3-2, so they salvaged some respectability.
I guess I'm fairly alone in thinking the PAC 12 had a bad bowl season. Their Champion had a massive great win. But otherwise what else did they get? Losses by USC, UCLA And Oregon. Their record was fattened up outside the "Power 5" They went 2-4 in Power 5 bowl games.
I think the only conference that had a good bowl season was the SEC and their wasn't merely good, it was superb - almost impossible to be better. Every other conference was somewhere between mediocre and bad.
We sure did find out: Tennessee > Northwestern.
As far as the conference results go:
The SEC had a near perfect bowl season. Only Florida's downward season end spiral really prevented it from being perfect. And I guess we will still need to see the Championship game, but the SEC teams all came through huge.
Massive disappointment for the Big Ten. While the record wasn't horrible and they did have nice wins (OSU, Wisc) and a huge one out of Michigan, the blowout losses by Sparty, Iowa and NW really skew the results. Very bad bowl season for the Big Ten.
Clemson is saving the ACC from a terrible bowl season. Bad losses by FSU and UNC. Even that next tier of the ACC (Pitt, Miami) lost. Now if Clemson wins it all is it a good bowl season for the ACC?
Big 12 was a disaster until the final day with the TCU and WVU wins. While their top 2 teams got stomped, their top 5 teams went 3-2, so they salvaged some respectability.
I guess I'm fairly alone in thinking the PAC 12 had a bad bowl season. Their Champion had a massive great win. But otherwise what else did they get? Losses by USC, UCLA And Oregon. Their record was fattened up outside the "Power 5" They went 2-4 in Power 5 bowl games.
I think the only conference that had a good bowl season was the SEC and their wasn't merely good, it was superb - almost impossible to be better. Every other conference was somewhere between mediocre and bad.
I agree with you on just about all accounts above. Especially on my own Pac 12. It was a very disappointing bowl season for the Pac. The Oregon meltdown sealed it as bad for me. Oh well, wait 'til next year!
The Pac 12 did good only on a class curve
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Even in the BCS world, they would not have been in the BCS championship. After the ND
win, the computers have OSU no higher than number 3.
Kind of made my point. If we still had the BCS, and took 4 teams, OSU would've been in because the computers had them at #4 after the Championship games. No doubt the committee got it wrong. Their job is to get the 4 best teams. NOT the 4 best conference champions.
This morning on ESPN Mike the skinny guy even said he thought the Buckeyes were one of the best teams and a shame they weren't allowed in.
The winner of the Clemson Alabama game should play the defending champions to see who the real best team is.
There you go with "if" again. The defending champs lost at home to MSU 17-14. Bama beat 'em 38-0. Hey Garnett, when do y'all start practice for next year?
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Bad weather affects the team with the potent offense. The TCU vs Baylor game this year proves it. Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Michigan state and Northwestern were their only good wins.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
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Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
mark
Ohio State is the only team to destroy Michigan and Notre Dame. All the other losses by those 2 teams were close. That should tell you right there Ohio State is one of the best.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
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Ohio State is the only team to destroy Michigan and Notre Dame. All the other losses by those 2 teams were close. That should tell you right there Ohio State is one of the best.
Did anyone else even play both Michigan and Notre Dame? If not there is no point. Besides ND put up 28 points and 400 yards on OSU so the destroy part is just you pontificating.
Ohio State is one of the best teams in the country.
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Alabama had one bad game as well, so they are no more deserving than the Buckeyes.
I have been harping on this sort of point for years. it isn't the loss that matters, it's when you lose.
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Slam dunk
mark
Both Michigan and Notre Dame had tough schedules. Notre Dame played Clemson and lost by 2.
Ohio State is the only team to destroy Michigan and Notre Dame. All the other losses by those 2 teams were close. That should tell you right there Ohio State is one of the best.
Did anyone else even play both Michigan and Notre Dame? If not there is no point. Besides ND put up 28 points and 400 yards on OSU so the destroy part is just you pontificating.
Ohio State is one of the best teams in the country.
mark
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Mark, you should no by now that I think the strength of schedule stat is hogwash. with that said, my point was that if a Team loses early in the season they can recover as Alabama did this year and OSU did last year, but to lose a game late dooms a playoff hope in most cases. MSU was built on a stout defense and little offense, they were fortunate to catch OSU flat with no help from the Coaching staff. As I watched the playoff game I figured it was only time till Alabama overwhelmed them. I think they would have done the same with Iowa but OSU would have been a much more competitive, exciting match.
I await next season and the absence of the Cardale Jones experiment.
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Oklahoma
4. Ohio State
5. Florida State
6. Notre Dame
7. Michigan
8. Tennessee
9. LSU
10. Baylor
11. Michigan State
12. Stanford
13. Ole Miss
14. Oklahoma State
15. Houston
16. USC
17. Iowa
18. North Carolina
19. Washington
20. Georgia
21. TCU
22. Louisville
23. Washington State
24. Oregon
25. Florida
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Often true but in this case just look at the Alabama's record against the top 30. Garnettstyle cited this the other day to try and prove a point. Alabama played 10 teams in the top 30 and beat 9 of them. Ohio State only played 3 teams in the top 30 and beat 2 of them. One of these teams won their Conference Championship. The other didn't even qualify to play in theirs.
Mark, you should no by now that I think the strength of schedule stat is hogwash. with that said, my point was that if a Team loses early in the season they can recover as Alabama did this year and OSU did last year, but to lose a game late dooms a playoff hope in most cases. MSU was built on a stout defense and little offense, they were fortunate to catch OSU flat with no help from the Coaching staff. As I watched the playoff game I figured it was only time till Alabama overwhelmed them. I think they would have done the same with Iowa but OSU would have been a much more competitive, exciting match.
I await next season and the absence of the Cardale Jones experiment.
I know you hate the SOS thing. However, its hard to ignore that Alabama went 9-1 against current ranked teams while OSU only played 3 teams that are currently ranked in the top 30. That is not a SOS based point.
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What players will Alabama be losing to the NFL?? With red-shirting, transfers and the payday of success that the NFL offers it can be tough to know who will be back.
Seniors: Ryan Kelly (C), Kenyon Drake (RB), Jarren Reed (DE), Reggie Ragland (LB), Cyrus Jones (CB), D.J. Pettway (DE), maybe Denzel Devall (LB).
Juniors leaving early: King Henry (RB), Jonathan Allen (DE), A'Shawn Robinson (NT).
Another question might be about recruiting. I heard this morning that OSU joined Alabama and Georgia in the lottery for Dalvin Cook's brother, James. I can't think of the backup for Elliot at OSU and wondered who ran behind Henry at Alabama. If James is anything like his older brother I would think both schools could fit him in somewhere. The report I heard had him at 5'10" and 180 which seems small, I suppose he'll grow, though.
I just looked and he's class of '19.
Class of '19 out of high school??
So that means when he commits he should be 6'+ and 200+ which makes more sense.
Class of '19 out of high school??
Yup.
I'm not sold on Henry and how he'll translate to an NFL back. His O-line was what really made it for the Tide.
King Henry's replacement is bigger than him
I'm not sold on Henry and how he'll translate to an NFL back. His O-line was what really made it for the Tide.
OSU, Alabama and Stanford all had excellent offensive lines. Good backs and great offensive lines are like a symphony. Henry, Elliot and McCaffrey can all attest to that.
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Clemson's last 4 bowls
Clemson defeated Les Miles and LSU
Clemsom defeated Urban Meyer's and Ohio State
Clemson defeated Bob Stoops and Oklahoma the past two years
Now let's see if they can knock off the best in Saban and Alabama
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Regarding the Championship Game the moment shouldn't be too big for Swinney and Clemson.
Clemson's last 4 bowls
Clemson defeated Les Miles and LSU
Clemsom defeated Urban Meyer's and Ohio State
Clemson defeated Bob Stoops and Oklahoma the past two years
Now let's see if they can knock off the best in Saban and Alabama
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Saban is not the best. Urban has a better bowl record.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Well now lets see, Saban beat MSU and Urban lost to MSU. Besides , when Urban was at Florida, Saban beat 'em so bad he had chest pains and retired.
Urban is 3-2 against Saban. Nice try.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Saban has won 4 National titles during the BCS plus era. Has a chance for a 5th on Monday.
Meyer's has wine 3 National titles during the same span
My point was that Swinney has beat Meyer's in a major bowl. Let's see if he can beat a Saban team.
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http://cfrc.com/encyclopedia/all-time-scores-rankings/index.php?r=teams/opponent&name=alabama&opponent=clemson
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Well now lets see, Saban beat MSU and Urban lost to MSU. Besides , when Urban was at Florida, Saban beat 'em so bad he had chest pains and retired.
Urban is 3-2 against Saban. Nice try.
Saban would have made it 3-3 if OSU had been good enough this year to make it to the playoffs. They didn't play enough quality opponents to even be considered.
BAMA 3-1 against OSU.
'78 Sugar Bowl, BAMA-35 OSU-6..........Go Woody !!
that was a very sad ending to a very fine career. Coach Hayes fell into a trap which isn't all that uncommon: He became a legend even to himself and lost the ability to bow out gracefully. You can mock him if you choose to, but that might say more about you than Woody. Great Coaches shape the lives of men and although we shouldn't overlook or minimize their transgressions we probably shouldn't judge them too harshly for a single incident.
When my stepson was about 11-12 I can remember talking with his mother about the direction he was headed in. She was also concerned. Then he happened to meet an Assistant Football Coach/Head Wrestling Coach who suggested he try wrestling. Five years later when he was close to graduation the change was apparent: he set a school record for tackles in a season, finished 3rd at 195 in D2 at State and was volunteering at Hospice. We are both grateful for that Coach who took time to work with him in the two sports and dramatically changed his life.
I never underestimate the way a single person can affect a life. I'm sure there are many who could share testimonials about Woody Hayes.
Ok, I just had to type it. I feel better.
Ohio State. THE. BEST. TEAM. LAST 2 YEARS.
Indeed
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED