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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>$525 a set from L&C Coins >>



    I'll take all ten!!! Such a deal!!!

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Has anyone beside me had their sets shipped by the mint today? >>



    I thought you were completely done with the Mint?


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭
    I received my set 3 weeks ago. Leaving it unopened for the time being.
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    They call me "Pack the Ripper"
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    I bought them for someone else and they will be shipped out as soon as they arrive. I do not want them for myself .
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Accordingly, the percentage of coins grading 69 and 70 are significantly exaggerated if you only look at the PCGS population report. >>



    Ok...where else can I look to get accurate numbers?

    As I stated previously i understand your point BUT the numbers would be no different for any other sealed set POP over the years. What you are saying is that the POP for THIS set is meaningless because of a unique manipulation of submissions....and I think it is no different from any other similar submission. I do think that if a minimum grade was indicated it would most likely be 69....if any lower it adds more to the credibility of the 69 & 70 POP numbers.

    (dimes)

    RP69's...70.2%
    RP70's...28% (314)

    PF69's...49.3%
    PF70's...50.7% (608)

    It just doesn't make sense (to me anyway) to say the numbers are low with no data, other than personal results and assumptions, to back it up. What I hope we can agree on it the fact that there are 314 RP70's out there ...maybe image

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    Last PCGS FS70 set sold (last night)...$405

    Last NGC ER70 set..........................$309.95

    PCGS FS69 set...............................$152.50

    NGC ER69 set................................$123.23

    Raw (BIN)......................................$119.99

    Sealed box of 5 (FS eligible not mentioned).$520
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>To this day I still don't get why the words "First Strikes" or "Early Releases" make such a difference to a coin's value when it comes to moderns. It's just an arbitrary submission deadline. For all we know, some of the coins shipped after date X may have been struck before some that shipped prior. Public perception seems to be that those labels are "real" PF70/MS70/PF69/etc., and if the coin doesn't have that designation it's only a 69.5 or 68.5... but that is purely a fantasy. The very epitome of hype.

    I'm sure this topic has been flogged to death before... but I still don't get it. A 70 is a 70.

    ... except when it apparently isn't. >>



    There will come a time when collectors will not give a rats ### if one coin was graded 30 days sooner (or whatever) than another.

    As far as percentages go, the only percentage that really matters is: The number of people who want to buy the coin Vs. the number of coins that can be purchased.
    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BigA... Why are you having a bit of a tough time accepting the facts? The "min grade 70" request is a fairly common practice for many new mint products- and a negotiated deal where collectors or dealers do not want the non-70 coins slabbed (for many different reasons) and (in many cases) "pay up" (higher fees) for this to happen. The grading service can not show these coins in their pops since they were never slabbed and I believe that is the right decision. If there was a way to show the "not considered" coins, that would be the ideal method I suppose.

    I believe the grade through rate is much closer to 10% than the 30% you mention. There is no way for me to have an absolutely perfect answer as to the %, but the 10% is "close enough" for collectors/dealers to understand just how scarce a true perfect 70 is of the RP dime from these sets under the PCGS standard.

    Just my 2 cents.

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  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    105 sold at $329!!.....decent

    NGC70's
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>$525 a set from L&C Coins >>



    I'll take all ten!!! Such a deal!!! >>



    9 are left!!!
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>105 sold at $329!!.....decent

    NGC70's >>



    Explain to me why I would buy an NGC early set over the PCGS. regardless of price difference, when I know the resale with be historically worse for the NGC?

    Especially when I could get a PCGS FS 69 set for less and it has been shown to be comparable (to the NGC 70's) in grading standards?
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>105 sold at $329!!.....decent

    NGC70's >>



    Explain to me why I would buy an NGC early set over the PCGS. regardless of price difference, when I know the resale with be historically worse for the NGC?

    Especially when I could get a PCGS FS 69 set for less and it has been shown to be comparable (to the NGC 70's) in grading standards? >>



    You state "regardless of price difference" and then mention resale and getting a set for less...image

    Well I wouldn't buy either right now but the NGC 70 set has held its ground better in the present market than the PCGS set....the future prices are all opinions

    PCGS 69 set resale market price is significantly less than the NGC70 set....grading quality is totally another opinion....my 70 sets look perfect, I have no need to feel I need a "more perfect" set and a 69 set will always be, well, a 69 set.

    Would I rather a NGC 70 vs. a PCGS 69...absolutely

    Would I rather a PCGS 70 set vs. a NGC 70 set...of course, but an immediate decision made because of a vacation demand gave me a gift of six 70 sets instead of maybe one. I can get over it..





  • << <i>105 sold at $329!!.....decent

    NGC70's >>




    Actually, only 42 sold at $329. They raised the starting price from $219.00 up to $329.00.

  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭
    I am wary of either an ngc or pcgs 70 set in silver because of no more spotting guarantee. I have not bought anything in a 70 silver for several years. I prefer them raw now. Platinum, gold in pcgs 70 I am ok with.
  • The only issues I've run into with the gold is discoloration. I've had 3 out of 10 2012W $50 PCGS FS 70's that look well, kinda streaky and discolored in places.
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>105 sold at $329!!.....decent

    NGC70's >>




    Actually, only 42 sold at $329. They raised the starting price from $219.00 up to $329.00. >>



    Numbers ! Numbers ! Numbers !

    As usual the devil is in the details.

    image
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  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>105 sold at $329!!.....decent

    NGC70's >>




    Actually, only 42 sold at $329. They raised the starting price from $219.00 up to $329.00. >>



    Absolutely correct....I forgot the sets "sold" sticks even if the price was changed. It was bumped up to $329 on May 18th and 42 have sold at that price. Thanks.... and I would think a slight downward price adjustment would soon be in order
  • OperationButterOperationButter Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


    << <i>To this day I still don't get why the words "First Strikes" or "Early Releases" make such a difference to a coin's value when it comes to moderns. It's just an arbitrary submission deadline. For all we know, some of the coins shipped after date X may have been struck before some that shipped prior. Public perception seems to be that those labels are "real" PF70/MS70/PF69/etc., and if the coin doesn't have that designation it's only a 69.5 or 68.5... but that is purely a fantasy. The very epitome of hype.

    I'm sure this topic has been flogged to death before... but I still don't get it. A 70 is a 70.

    ... except when it apparently isn't. >>



    The truth is, dealers and collectors that submit will continue to do so because the market pays a premium for the FS label. Until that premium shrinks or goes away, everyone will submit and pay the extra $18 fee for the designation because they can recoup and make more on the resell.

    I would love for FS to go away so I dont have to keep mint sealed boxes anymore!
    Gold is for savings. Fiat is for transactions.



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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Took a look at the PCGS pop report this morning and it appears that quite a few dimes were submitted in the last week or so around the First Strike deadline. Looks like the total number of First Strike coins graded more than doubled. I'm guessing that many more will be coming to eBay soon, unless it was just one or more big submissions by some TV seller(s)?

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>$525 a set from L&C Coins >>



    I'll take all ten!!! Such a deal!!! >>



    9 are left!!! >>



    24 hours later.....8 sets are left......better get 'em quick!!

    PCGS 3 coin set of 70's unsold at $439.99
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyone know who wasatchcoin is on eBay or have dealt with them before?? Not only did this jerk steal my images to help himself sell a dozen reverse proof dimes so far, he also had the nerve to put his own copyright watermark over my photo as if they were his own!! Sometimes I really hate selling online... image
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Anyone know who wasatchcoin is on eBay or have dealt with them before?? Not only did this jerk steal my images to help himself sell a dozen reverse proof dimes so far, he also had the nerve to put his own copyright watermark over my photo as if they were his own!! Sometimes I really hate selling online... image >>




    You should send him a note of your dissatisfaction.

    I must say, they have some of the best prices on MOD coins and sets.....I bought one set of PCGS 70's from them for a very good price,

    even though it was when the coins were climbing in price.

    Wasatch Coins
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

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    << <i>$525 a set from L&C Coins >>



    I'll take all ten!!! Such a deal!!! >>



    9 are left!!! >>



    24 hours later.....8 sets are left......better get 'em quick!!

    PCGS 3 coin set of 70's unsold at $439.99 >>



    Lol GoldBully.. open sets still for $110 - 120 .. PCGs rev proof 70 ..$300 with 2 hours to go .. PCGS 69s $150....NGC 70s $329-339

    Get your set today and earn 4x bonus Bucks image


  • << <i>Anyone know who wasatchcoin is on eBay or have dealt with them before?? Not only did this jerk steal my images to help himself sell a dozen reverse proof dimes so far, he also had the nerve to put his own copyright watermark over my photo as if they were his own!! Sometimes I really hate selling online... image >>




    It gets even more confusing when several members steal your photos and they all try to jump your party with 24 hour listings. Years ago I was strategically timing all my listings...then when I went to look I was confused as my stuff was all over the place and I'd thought HTH did that happen...It was irritating, especially when some used the "the coin shown is the actual coin you are bidding on"...

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭
    GOLDBULLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. PCGS 70 set sells for $$ 474.00 on Ebay Thursday night
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>GOLDBULLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. PCGS 70 set sells for $$ 474.00 on Ebay Thursday night >>



    Yup...at 1020pm with 26 bids.....and...hours earlier at 347pm one went by the wayside getting no bids and starting at $439.99 image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The fire's burning and here's my rhyme:
    We still have the greatest hobby of all time.
    Even though I own no March of Dime(s)

    image
    yet
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Took a look at the PCGS pop report this morning and it appears that quite a few dimes were submitted in the last week or so around the First Strike deadline. Looks like the total number of First Strike coins graded more than doubled. I'm guessing that many more will be coming to eBay soon, unless it was just one or more big submissions by some TV seller(s)? >>



    I do not have access to the pop reports, however this does not surprise me. The pop numbers in the first 6 + weeks are very unreliable and
    are used to hype early sales and prices then reality hits. May still end up low but usually a major change from early numbers. would not be
    surprised even if it doubles again in a couple of weeks.

    BIN $ 499 SIL $ 299
    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Took a look at the PCGS pop report this morning and it appears that quite a few dimes were submitted in the last week or so around the First Strike deadline. Looks like the total number of First Strike coins graded more than doubled >>



    Number of additional FS dimes given grades over the last 7 days

    ...398 RP's with 124 given 70 grade...31.1% over that most recent 7 day period (FS total at 373)

    ...399 PF's with 176 given 70 grade....44.1% over that most recent 7 day period (FS total at 671)



  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Took a look at the PCGS pop report this morning and it appears that quite a few dimes were submitted in the last week or so around the First Strike deadline. Looks like the total number of First Strike coins graded more than doubled >>



    Number of additional FS dimes given grades over the last 7 days

    ...398 RP's with 124 given 70 grade...31.1% over that most recent 7 day period (FS total at 373)

    ...399 PF's with 176 given 70 grade....44.1% over that most recent 7 day period (FS total at 671) >>



    Interesting to see how market absorbs the new 70s... next couple weeks .... raw sets still strong
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    Might be in the POP report but maybe not in the hands of the submitters yet....not very many out there for sale yet....or...those lucky to get a set might actually want to keep it....strange I know but possible image
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My 10 set's are on there way back 2-70 set's one complete 68 set and the rest are 69's. Not to bad I guess but not like ATS. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My 10 set's are on there way back 2-70 set's one complete 68 set and the rest are 69's. Not to bad I guess but not like ATS. image >>




    Next 2-3 weeks will be a good time to buy PCGS 70s
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>My 10 set's are on there way back 2-70 set's one complete 68 set and the rest are 69's. Not to bad I guess but not like ATS. image >>




    Next 2-3 weeks will be a good time to buy PCGS 70s >>



    I bet even better in 4 to 5 weeks image
  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Results of my unopened submission just in:

    1 1 32451421 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR69
    1 2 32451422 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR69
    1 3 32451423 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR69
    1 4 32451424 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR70
    1 5 32451425 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR68
    2 1 32451426 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 2 32451427 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 3 32451428 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 4 32451429 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 5 32451430 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 1 32451431 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 2 32451432 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR68DC
    3 3 32451433 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 4 32451434 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 5 32451435 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC


    Guess I am lucky to get the RP dine as my only 70. Life goes on.
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Results of my unopened submission just in:

    1 1 32451421 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR69
    1 2 32451422 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR69
    1 3 32451423 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR69
    1 4 32451424 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR70
    1 5 32451425 543278 2015-P 10C -Silver Rev PR March of Dimes Set First Strike USA PR68
    2 1 32451426 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 2 32451427 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 3 32451428 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 4 32451429 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    2 5 32451430 543277 2015-W 10C Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 1 32451431 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 2 32451432 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR68DC
    3 3 32451433 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 4 32451434 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC
    3 5 32451435 543279 2015-W $1 Silver March of Dimes Set First Strike, DC USA PR69DC


    Guess I am lucky to get the RP dine as my only 70. Life goes on. >>



    Glad I sent my 5 backordered sets back to the Mint.
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>My 10 set's are on there way back 2-70 set's one complete 68 set and the rest are 69's. Not to bad I guess but not like ATS. image >>




    Next 2-3 weeks will be a good time to buy PCGS 70s >>



    $430 last set of FS PCGS 70's sold. The game is improving. The players are the same. The sellers are perspiring.
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    ...and last PCGS 69FS set went for $120

    NGC regular label (not ER) 69 set went for $150.99 image

    NGC ER 69 set $121.25
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Glad I sent my 5 backordered sets back to the Mint. >>



    No monies lost in just keeping them raw....or....just maybe... there are other grading options

    It will be interesting to see what the non-FS and non-ER label sets (other than that freak above) eventually sell for

    I'm still waiting for my last minute (before "currently available") sets to be shipped. No way am I gonna cancel them

    Sealed box of 5 just sold for $539 with this stated:



    << <i>As I understand PCGS and NGC documentation, these sets are NOT eligible for First Strike/Early Release designation. They were not shipped until June 9, and I received them June 11. They are still eligible for NGC's March of Dimes Set pedigree, since they're sealed in the original Mint shipping box. >>



    Sold in only a few hours as a BIN.....

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I too will hold onto my sealed FS sets. Let someone who appreciates the playing of the lottery enjoy their ride.

    This has been a fun ride for me. I enjoy the speculation, the tribulation, and the mastication.
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭
    I will open the 4 I ordered last week if I get them. I will keep my other 5 sealed FS Eligible Sets sealed for now. I may venture one day to the Baltimore Show and open one of the FS elegible sets at the PCGS table to see if it is worth submitting.

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now, I've been doing this buying up the Rev pr in PCGS MS69's and at a latter time will resubmit them ATS for 70's. But that's just me dumb Crazy Type2. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Now, I've been doing this buying up the Rev pr in PCGS MS69's and at a latter time will resubmit them ATS for 70's. But that's just me dumb Crazy Type2. image >>



    Great arbitrage ,with a good payoff ratioimage
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Now, I've been doing this buying up the Rev pr in PCGS MS69's and at a latter time will resubmit them ATS for 70's. But that's just me dumb Crazy Type2. image >>



    I would wait until more non-FS 69's hit the market and then go with your plan....(assuming the FS go for more $$)
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,278 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>POPULATION IN TODAY'S REPORT(June 2, 2015)

    image >>



    Pops as of today.....June 13, 2015

    image

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    On June 2nd the percentage of First Strike RP 70's was 33.4%.

    As of today it is 29%

    We also have one 65 and two 66's in the mix.....oucheroo!! image
  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,007 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would wait until more non-FS 69's hit the market and then go with your plan....(assuming the FS go for more $$) >>


    Typically First Strike adds little or no premium to 69's or lower.

    My Adolph A. Weinman signature :)

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    Yesterday:

    PCGS.....70FS....$430.06
    PCGS.....69FS....$115.50

    NGC.......70ER...$272/$300/$288.95
    NGC.......69ER...$125.55

    Dime:

    PCGS ....RP70...none
    PCGS.....RP69FS...$60/$71

    NGC......RP70....none
    NGC......RP69ER...$$61/$71.45
  • GhosOfRudyGhosOfRudy Posts: 108 ✭✭✭
    Appreciate these posts. Wonder when NGC will show their stats for comparative purposes.
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Appreciate these posts. Wonder when NGC will show their stats for comparative purposes. >>



    Someone posted that they were released on 6/8....

    Dimes....

    RP....2944 given grades....RP70..1554
    ..........................................RP69..1366
    ....................................remainder down to RP64

    PF.....2968 given grades...PF70..1894
    .........................................PF69...1071
    .........................................PF68...3 (one is mine!)

    Probably will be updated early tomorrow AM
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Appreciate these posts. Wonder when NGC will show their stats for comparative purposes. >>

    NGC Posted their latest pops. Still nothing for the S$1 commem. (Following Goldbully's format...)

    image

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