Yes, Darrell, I wanted to mention that 04-S in VF 20 myself - I was hemming and hawing about it as it had a great look. Too bad all VF 20's don't look like that - I might just start another set myself ! - God Forbid !! - LOL
I want to shout out to Vern for advising me so well on a few lots he previewed for me. I could have made a huge mistake if I hadn't listened to him. Thanks again, Dude.
Just a word about the 1913 Quarter I picked up from our Paesan - it was CAC approved. I sent it in a week ago along with some new Dimes [ not CAC approved ] and I consigned my MS 62 to the gals from Boston - which was a great coin - but in keeping with the majority of this collection - an AU 58 fits in much better.
Speaking of which - another newp in 58 - just nabbed on eBay :
I have a nice 63 in the Complete Regular set - but - this one is for the Everyman set.
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Darrell...I have not checked to see which coins at CAC have 58+'s in their POP Report, might be worth checking out - afterall, you are the primary collector of them.
I have not sent any of my 58's [ I only have about a half dozen ] to PCGS for regrade into AU 58+ holders.
I think you've done quite well as of late. Congratulations !!
I received a call today from a dealer I have known for 12 years or so. He just picked up a collection of Dimes - and has a 1905-O Micro O - in PCGS 58 - and today, he told me it CAC'd. I sold my 58 to Joe W for his set - so - he doesn't need it - I spoke with Glen M the other day and he isn't sure if he wants it - as he was a bad boy at Central States -
If anyone has an interest - I'll fill you in on a PM.
Here's the image:
The timing couldn't be any worse at the moment - I just got my Heritage auction invoice - plus my cars just ran me close to $4K in repairs.
Plus I have a nice AU 50 which could pass for an AU 55+ any day - but our Hosts don't agree with me...lol
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Darrell - Congrats on 2 more plusses. I think you can look up the number of plus barber halves on CAC's website. Also, I've never added up the number of coin pics I have, but it's a lot. I'm fortunate to have friends who send their coins for pics, it's better than going to a coin show, I get to examine some really nice coins in the comfort of my home.
Mike - Thanks for the heads up on the micro O dime. Lots of color and eye appeal.
Pics for this AM, tough date newp into Jim's collection, PC50:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I see a lot of conversation about the CAC sticker on coins but really have trouble understanding it. Went to the site and it explains that CAC coins are insured to meet their strict quality standards, but couldn't really find out what those standards were. It does appear they demand a premium, but looking through ebay and other sites that doesn't always seem to hold true. I'm not knocking it, just don't quite understand their guidelines.
I see a lot of conversation about the CAC sticker on coins but really have trouble understanding it.
Went to the site and it explains that CAC coins are insured to meet their strict quality standards, but couldn't really find out what those standards were. It does appear they demand a premium, but looking through ebay and other sites that doesn't always seem to hold true. I'm not knocking it, just don't quite understand their guidelines.
Dave
Mike-nice nickel
CAC is no different Than the Grading Services in my opinion. They have their good days and Bad Days! My opinion is they are a parasite! Sucking money out of the industry. I would not have that opinion if I hadn't seen or own many coins I don't think that should be straight graded with a CAC sticker!
Dave - I'm confused about CAC's guidelines as well. Originally I thought their purpose was to sticker coins in the upper half of the PCGS or NGC grade, and "make a market" in them, whatever that means, since they wouldn't (or couldn't) buy all the coins they stickered. Then it seems as the numismatic community placed a value on CAC'd coins, via higher prices realized in auctions for example, the "make a market" part of CAC's purpose disappeared. Somewhere along the line a CAC sticker came to mean an undoctored coin (especially on pre-seated coinage), or at least undoctored enough to be market acceptable. If I'm mistaken on any of these thought, someone please let me know.
Darrell - I say CAC is no more (or less) a parasite than the grading services. They're getting paid for their opinion by people who think their opinion is worth the fee, and they do stand behind their opinion.
Pics for this AM, a very good looking (IMO) toughie from Jim's collection, PC40:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Thanks guys, you both have very good points, but with PCGS they pretty well lay out their standards and reasons for each grade. As with any opinion they probably get it wrong sometimes but at least you can look at a coin and get an idea of what might come back from them. I guess as long as I keep buying the coins I like for the price I am comfortable paying I can't go wrong.
Been awhile since I've been on here but good to see there's lots of lively talk going on. Appreciated the discussion on the CAC issue. CAC'd coins seem to bring a little more value but not sure if it's worth it in the long run. To all the Barberites: Good hunting boys!
Vern-nice coin is that a filled S or an s/s can't tell exactly.
Went hunting local shops for some PCGS graded Barber Halves, I'm really amazed at how hard they are to find around here. We have some pretty big shops, but most of the dealers save that stuff for shows I guess. Morgan Dollars are all over the place, but it seems to me if I want a nice Barber half I have to hit the shows or Ebay.
Spoke with JMW today and he mentioned that he and Paesan had a conversation over a Barber Quarter. He mentioned how pleased he was about securing it. I told him of my 1913 Quarter from Paesan getting a green bean - which I was very pleased about.
Looking forward to Valente151 visiting next weekend ...so, be prepared for some great images coming your way. He'll be imaging all my newps from last Summer's FUN show to this year's Central States Show. That'll keep him busy for a few days. Lol
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Recently I won an 1886 PC 58 Liberty Nickel at a Heritage Auction:
Not a bad looking coin; the price was right.
This coin "upgrades" my current PC 53:
Although the 53 has a couple of minor scratches, it appears to me to be a nicer coin than the 58. I think the 53 is under graded; I'm thinking of cracking it out and re-submitting it raw.
I also purchased a 1913 S PC 64 Barber Half at a recent Heritage Auction. I liked the look of the coin and was fortunate enough to grab it at a reasonable price:
And no, I didn't purchase this thinking it was a 58 re-grade candidate. It will have a home in my slowly growing MS set once the current Cert holder releases it from their set.
Jeff- I agree the 53 nickel appears to have a lot more detail especially in the hair under LIBERTY. Very nice half also, you seem to do well in all your ventures.
Mike- I too would like to see your pics, bet there nice.
Originally posted by: daveyn Jeff- I agree the 53 nickel appears to have a lot more detail especially in the hair under LIBERTY. Very nice half also, you seem to do well in all your ventures. Dave
I don't always do well. I purchased a raw 1902 Liberty Nickel last month for $150 that I thought was a certain MS 64; it came back from PCGS as a 62. Now it's for sale on eBay at a loss. Oh well.......
Vern- had a good time great to see you again also, I kept at it all day and finally found one I really liked.
Darrell- nice group of coins you got back, I found it very hard locating nice coins in the lower grades, even AU, MS coins seemed to be everywhere. I don't think you'll have much trouble selling your new submissions seen tons of buyers looking for F-VF coins but not much to be had.
Dave
Dave,
I absolutely love that coin!!
The old time toning really appeals to me.
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
Originally posted by: MFH I was taught an important lesson years ago: "Never buy a raw coin on eBay"..... So, what do I do now ?
You certainly didn't learn that lesson from me! Although eBay is full of problem raw coins there are very nice raw ones running wild.About 1/3 of my AU to MS Barber Halves were purchased raw on eBay. They're out there but a lot of hunting is required. I return about 40% of the coins sent to me due to problems (usually cleaning).
I occassionally do end up keeping a coin that comes back "cleaned" (or some other problem), but the success rate outweighs the few problem coins.
I'm looking for common date AU 58 Liberty Nickels as well. I've submitted a lot of nice raw coins thinking they would 58; most come back in a 62 or 55 holder. Unless one has a high success rate at finding common Liberty Nickels that will 55/ 58 the grading fees make it an expensive proposition!
I've had a lot of trouble finding AU 58 Nickels as well. My guess is few people waste money grading barely circulated Liberty Nickels when the MS coins are so cheap.
I was fortunate to recently get a 1907-D quarter PC 58 that I had upgraded to a 58+. I would not have sent it in, except that I realized it was a DDO/RPM variety, so I figured I'd get the designation on the holder and ask for a regrade while I was at it.
So the good news is I got both.
The bad news is that I can't add it to my registry as an 07-D. I guess since it is designated as a variety, it is no longer an 07-D.
Yorkshireman- I have always liked the dark toned coins and this one came at a great price, couldn't resist. I also try to pick up a few dark toned Franklins when at the show, you can really get them cheap.
Jeff- the cleaning thing is what bothers me about raw coins and I am convinced there are people buying these "Details " coins cracking them out and putting them back up on Ebay at higher prices. I once sent a Franklin in to be graded cut straight out of a mint set only to have it sent back as cleaned. You can see I don't have a good track record.
Originally posted by: paesan I was fortunate to recently get a 1907-D quarter PC 58 that I had upgraded to a 58+. I would not have sent it in, except that I realized it was a DDO/RPM variety, so I figured I'd get the designation on the holder and ask for a regrade while I was at it.
So the good news is I got both.
The bad news is that I can't add it to my registry as an 07-D. I guess since it is designated as a variety, it is no longer an 07-D.
Paesan
Lenny-
You should be able to add the coin to your registry set. Try this:
Step 1. In My Sets, go to edit the set where your inventory item should be available to add.
Step 2. Click the link called Report a cert that should match this composite which is located just above the first item in the set composite.
Step 3. Use the drop down box to locate the name of the missing item. Note that if the spot for your item does not appear, you will need to un-check the box marked ‘hide filled slots’.
Step 4. Type in the certification number of your item that is not available to add, in the box labeled “Cert Number.”
Step 5. Click the Submit Request button
I was able to get my '93TDR Half in my set that way.
Originally posted by: paesan Thanks, Mike. Actually, you should recognize this coin!
Maybe from my old set, sold 5 yrs ago ? I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, and you think I can remember one coin out of 500 that I sold five years ago ? Omg ...lol
It's a beautiful coin and if I were looking to buy a nice 1902 Quarter, I certainly would be interested in that one.
The new set contains this little jewel.....
The current 1902 - is serial number : 19581977 Seems as though I had a couple of MS 63's in my life... { Now, what did I have for lunch yesterday ???}
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
One coin I wish I had waited on - to find one without a gash at her throat ...
It was in a PC 55 Holder....
After I sold it to HLRC - to buy the 92-O MS 63 Micro O - I saw the coin again at Glenn's table - but now, George Harrison owned it [ he bought it from Harry ]
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
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Yes, Darrell, I wanted to mention that 04-S in VF 20 myself - I was hemming and hawing
about it as it had a great look. Too bad all VF 20's don't look like that - I might just start
another set myself ! - God Forbid !! - LOL
I want to shout out to Vern for advising me so well on a few lots he previewed for me.
I could have made a huge mistake if I hadn't listened to him. Thanks again, Dude.
Just a word about the 1913 Quarter I picked up from our Paesan - it was CAC approved.
I sent it in a week ago along with some new Dimes [ not CAC approved
I consigned my MS 62 to the gals from Boston - which was a great coin - but in keeping
with the majority of this collection - an AU 58 fits in much better.
Speaking of which - another newp in 58 - just nabbed on eBay :
I have a nice 63 in the Complete Regular set - but - this one is for the Everyman set.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Pics for this AM, newp by my friend Ken from Doug's set, PC55:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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I just added 2 more 58+'s to my set! 1897 and 1906 which has a CAC sticker. Does anyone know if CAC has approved any other 58+'s?
might be worth checking out - afterall, you are the primary collector of them.
I have not sent any of my 58's [ I only have about a half dozen ] to PCGS for regrade
into AU 58+ holders.
I think you've done quite well as of late. Congratulations !!
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I received a call today from a dealer I have known for 12 years or so. He just picked up
a collection of Dimes - and has a 1905-O Micro O - in PCGS 58 - and today, he told me it CAC'd.
I sold my 58 to Joe W for his set - so - he doesn't need it - I spoke with Glen M the other day
and he isn't sure if he wants it - as he was a bad boy at Central States -
If anyone has an interest - I'll fill you in on a PM.
Here's the image:
The timing couldn't be any worse at the moment - I just got my Heritage auction invoice -
plus my cars just ran me close to $4K in repairs.
Plus I have a nice AU 50 which could pass for an AU 55+ any day -
but our Hosts don't agree with me...lol
i
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New Barber Purchases
Mike - Thanks for the heads up on the micro O dime. Lots of color and eye appeal.
Pics for this AM, tough date newp into Jim's collection, PC50:
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Verne that is a wholesome 96-S that from the pictures I could easily grade it a 55!
Mike...it's only money! You know you want that Micro O!
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Shameless plug. The remaining five qtrs from Doug's collection are now listed in the BST.
I have been looking - never saw them !! Sold out ??
EDIT: NEVER MIND....I found them !!
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Of course, Paesan's Quarter is nothing to sniff at either !!
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New Barber Purchases
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New Barber Purchases
Went to the site and it explains that CAC coins are insured to meet their strict quality standards, but couldn't really find out what those standards were. It does appear they demand a premium, but looking through ebay and other sites that doesn't always seem to hold true. I'm not knocking it, just don't quite understand their guidelines.
Dave
Mike-nice nickel
NOBLE REGISTRY
I see a lot of conversation about the CAC sticker on coins but really have trouble understanding it.
Went to the site and it explains that CAC coins are insured to meet their strict quality standards, but couldn't really find out what those standards were. It does appear they demand a premium, but looking through ebay and other sites that doesn't always seem to hold true. I'm not knocking it, just don't quite understand their guidelines.
Dave
Mike-nice nickel
CAC is no different Than the Grading Services in my opinion. They have their good days and Bad Days! My opinion is they are a parasite! Sucking money out of the industry. I would not have that opinion if I hadn't seen or own many coins I don't think that should be straight graded with a CAC sticker!
Dave - I'm confused about CAC's guidelines as well. Originally I thought their purpose was to sticker coins in the upper half of the PCGS or NGC grade, and "make a market" in them, whatever that means, since they wouldn't (or couldn't) buy all the coins they stickered. Then it seems as the numismatic community placed a value on CAC'd coins, via higher prices realized in auctions for example, the "make a market" part of CAC's purpose disappeared. Somewhere along the line a CAC sticker came to mean an undoctored coin (especially on pre-seated coinage), or at least undoctored enough to be market acceptable. If I'm mistaken on any of these thought, someone please let me know.
Darrell - I say CAC is no more (or less) a parasite than the grading services. They're getting paid for their opinion by people who think their opinion is worth the fee, and they do stand behind their opinion.
Pics for this AM, a very good looking (IMO) toughie from Jim's collection, PC40:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
you both have very good points, but with PCGS they pretty well lay out their standards and reasons for each grade. As with any opinion they probably get it wrong sometimes but at least you can look at a coin and get an idea of what might come back from them.
I guess as long as I keep buying the coins I like for the price I am comfortable paying I can't go wrong.
Dave
NOBLE REGISTRY
Pics for this AM, from my raw set, acquired long ago from Brian Greer:
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Nothing like seeing a nicely worn 09-O Quarter in strong VF...
I've finally found an `1883 N/C "V" Nickel in MS that didn't break
the bank - its only an MS 64 - but about as nice as they come in 64.
Located this on eBay today ...its got an interesting REV die crack at EPU.
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New Barber Purchases
Pics for this AM, another recent add into Jim's "No Headlight" collection, PC55:
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Nice coins being posted!
Pics for this AM, a near perfect coin that's still in Doug's collection, PC55:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Paesan
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Went hunting local shops for some PCGS graded Barber Halves, I'm really amazed at how hard they are to find around here. We have some pretty big shops, but most of the dealers save that stuff for shows I guess. Morgan Dollars are all over the place, but it seems to me if I want a nice Barber half I have to hit the shows or Ebay.
Dave
NOBLE REGISTRY
Welcome back (Newbarberguy) Dave.
Spoke with JMW today and he mentioned that
he and Paesan had a conversation over a Barber
Quarter. He mentioned how pleased he was about
securing it. I told him of my 1913 Quarter from
Paesan getting a green bean - which I was very
pleased about.
Looking forward to Valente151 visiting next weekend
...so, be prepared for some great images coming your way.
He'll be imaging all my newps from last Summer's FUN show
to this year's Central States Show. That'll keep him busy for
a few days. Lol
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New Barber Purchases
Mike - I look forward to seeing your pics.
Pics for this AM, from Jim's recent acquisitions, PC55:
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Not a bad looking coin; the price was right.
This coin "upgrades" my current PC 53:
Although the 53 has a couple of minor scratches, it appears to me to be a nicer coin than the 58. I think the 53 is under graded; I'm thinking of cracking it out and re-submitting it raw.
And no, I didn't purchase this thinking it was a 58 re-grade candidate. It will have a home in my slowly growing MS set once the current Cert holder releases it from their set.
Pics for this AM, tough date that's now a spare for my friend Glen in Ohio, PC45:
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Mike- I too would like to see your pics, bet there nice.
Dave
NOBLE REGISTRY
Jeff- I agree the 53 nickel appears to have a lot more detail especially in the hair under LIBERTY. Very nice half also, you seem to do well in all your ventures.
Dave
I don't always do well. I purchased a raw 1902 Liberty Nickel last month for $150 that I thought was a certain MS 64; it came back from PCGS as a 62. Now it's for sale on eBay at a loss. Oh well.......
Jeff.... Very nice 1913-S Half !! Congrats !!
I am always skimming eBay for Barbers -
and I need some pretty common V Nickels
but in PCGS 58 grade. A 1902 being one.
You just never find these around - except
for the two 1883's. Guess I should follow
your lead and start looking at raw coins.
I was taught an important lesson years ago:
"Never buy a raw coin on eBay"..... So, what
do I do now ?
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Pics for this AM, another recent acquisition into Jim's collection, PC55:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Vern- had a good time great to see you again also, I kept at it all day and finally found one I really liked.
Darrell- nice group of coins you got back, I found it very hard locating nice coins in the lower grades, even AU, MS coins seemed to be everywhere. I don't think you'll have much trouble selling your new submissions seen tons of buyers looking for F-VF coins but not much to be had.
Dave
Dave,
I absolutely love that coin!!
The old time toning really appeals to me.
I was taught an important lesson years ago:
"Never buy a raw coin on eBay"..... So, what
do I do now ?
You certainly didn't learn that lesson from me! Although eBay is full of problem raw coins there are very nice raw ones running wild.About 1/3 of my AU to MS Barber Halves were purchased raw on eBay. They're out there but a lot of hunting is required. I return about 40% of the coins sent to me due to problems (usually cleaning).
I occassionally do end up keeping a coin that comes back "cleaned" (or some other problem), but the success rate outweighs the few problem coins.
I'm looking for common date AU 58 Liberty Nickels as well. I've submitted a lot of nice raw coins thinking they would 58; most come back in a 62 or 55 holder. Unless one has a high success rate at finding common Liberty Nickels that will 55/ 58 the grading fees make it an expensive proposition!
I've had a lot of trouble finding AU 58 Nickels as well. My guess is few people waste money grading barely circulated Liberty Nickels when the MS coins are so cheap.
So the good news is I got both.
The bad news is that I can't add it to my registry as an 07-D. I guess since it is designated as a variety, it is no longer an 07-D.
Paesan
Jeff- the cleaning thing is what bothers me about raw coins and I am convinced there are people buying these "Details " coins cracking them out and putting them back up on Ebay at higher prices. I once sent a Franklin in to be graded cut straight out of a mint set only to have it sent back as cleaned. You can see I don't have a good track record.
Dave
NOBLE REGISTRY
Congrats, Paesan...I think
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New Barber Purchases
I was fortunate to recently get a 1907-D quarter PC 58 that I had upgraded to a 58+. I would not have sent it in, except that I realized it was a DDO/RPM variety, so I figured I'd get the designation on the holder and ask for a regrade while I was at it.
So the good news is I got both.
The bad news is that I can't add it to my registry as an 07-D. I guess since it is designated as a variety, it is no longer an 07-D.
Paesan
Lenny-
You should be able to add the coin to your registry set. Try this:
Step 1. In My Sets, go to edit the set where your inventory item should be available to add.
Step 2. Click the link called Report a cert that should match this composite which is located just above the first item in the set composite.
Step 3. Use the drop down box to locate the name of the missing item. Note that if the spot for your item does not appear, you will need to un-check the box marked ‘hide filled slots’.
Step 4. Type in the certification number of your item that is not available to add, in the box labeled “Cert Number.”
Step 5. Click the Submit Request button
I was able to get my '93TDR Half in my set that way.
Paesan - Congrats on the variety 58+.
Pics for this AM, now a spare in Paesan's Stash, PC58:
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The "Stash" continues to amaze me.... Beautifully toned Quarter !!
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New Barber Purchases
Thanks, Mike. Actually, you should recognize this coin!
Maybe from my old set, sold 5 yrs ago ? I can't remember
what I had for lunch yesterday, and you think I can remember
one coin out of 500 that I sold five years ago ? Omg ...lol
It's a beautiful coin and if I were looking to buy a nice 1902
Quarter, I certainly would be interested in that one.
The new set contains this little jewel.....
The current 1902 - is serial number : 19581977
Seems as though I had a couple of MS 63's in my life...
{ Now, what did I have for lunch yesterday ???}
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
One coin I wish I had waited on - to find one without a gash at her throat ...
It was in a PC 55 Holder....
After I sold it to HLRC - to buy the 92-O MS 63 Micro O - I saw the coin again
at Glenn's table - but now, George Harrison owned it [ he bought it from Harry ]
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Not long after you traded your PC55 01-S in, it came here for me to look at. Here are my pics of it from 2009:
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