<< <i>There are no '07-O 50c in the pop report as of tonight, so yours will be the first. That coin will attract some strong attention if put on the market, IMO.
<< <i>
Cool- I finally have something the Big Dogs want. Ruff!
<< <i>I/m seeking opinions on how this coin will grade- a recent FUN purchase, a raw 1909 50C:
To me the obverse looks circulated (barely), but the reverse looks MS. The coin has been sent off to PCGS; what will they do with it? >>
The 2 hevay marks on the face make me wanna say 53 maybe 55. I would love to see your 07-O and compare it to the CAC 58 I purchased at the show from Tom!
<< <i>The FUN show was a 1 way street....Barbers going out the door and none coming in. >>
<< <i>LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's! >>
Glad everyone had a good time at FUN. It was a good read. Darrell, you crack me up. Say one thing, and present another. >>
I agree, Justin. He does present a good sob story, and stealthily slides in another coin for his AU 58 set. When are we going to see the better set with images, Darrell ? When young Madison LogPotato graduates from High School ??
Great chatting with you Darrell. Glad you had a good show, you deserve it, you work so darn hard !!
Jeff: the 1909 is a 55. ( The reverse is an AU 64 ... Lol ) as Amworld mentioned, the marks on the face lower it to 55. If the grading Gods smile on you, maybe ... just maybe a 58.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
<< <i>Jeff: the 1909 is a 55. ( The reverse is an AU 64 ... Lol ) as Amworld mentioned, the marks on the face lower it to 55. If the grading Gods smile on you, maybe ... just maybe a 58. >>
Mike- I agree with your assessment, emphasis on MAYBE a 58. I should of applied a little makeup before sending it in.
I also sent in a spare '04 O 50C for Guarantee Resubmission:
I bought the coin a few years back to get a graded '04 O. At the time my set had a Details grade '04 O, so this was a step up. It's in a PCGS XF 45 holder. I've been trying to sell it for a while with no interest. I'm uncertain what caused the sharp line of black toning, but it does appear that there's environmental damage lingering under the toning. It seems to me that this coin should never have been place in a graded holder, but it will be interesting to see what the Gods at PCGS say. Does anyone have experience with the Guarantee Resubmission? Are they going to tell me the toning and environmental damage happened post holder?
Jeff, I once owned an 07-S quarter in a PCGS 65 holder. I purchased it and put it away. Six months later when I was looking at my coins, I noticed it had turned black. I sent it back in to PCGS and to my surprise, they offered to clean it for me. Now I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm thinking that they body bag cleaned coins, and now that's what they are offering me. Something doesn't add up here. It ended up in a 64 holder and they offered to buy it from me at below their 65 price. I paid 65+ money for it. I said, "Whoa, baby! Your mistake and I have to lose money?" Bottom line is I lost money.
In retrospect, it was a good lesson. That's when I stopped buying holders and started buying quality coins.
<< <i>The FUN show was a 1 way street....Barbers going out the door and none coming in. >>
<< <i>LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's! >>
Glad everyone had a good time at FUN. It was a good read. Darrell, you crack me up. Say one thing, and present another. >>
I agree, Justin. He does present a good sob story, and stealthily slides in another coin for his AU 58 set. When are we going to see the better set with images, Darrell ? When young Madison LogPotato graduates from High School ??
Great chatting with you Darrell. Glad you had a good show, you deserve it, you work so darn hard !! >>
LOL Mike and Justin! I usually come home with 30 or 40! Unfortunately I already have an 07-O in 58. I will get around to picturing my set one of these days.
Paesan... I would have been heart sick when the Quarter turned in the holder. I am no metallurgist but what was the cause of this...anyone have a reasonable explanation ? I am at a loss for words. Aside from the way PCGS handled this, wasn't there any recourse with CAC ?
I fully understand your reluctance in using CAC - based on this one episode. Some of my friends think they are the "N-th" degree in certification of higher end coins in their respective grades. I like the premise but then again, I have been at odds with CAC on occasion. When they do not green bean, etc. A coin, it would be most helpful if they made mention as to why the coin failed to pass their standards. ( ie: the codes that PCGS uses on their slabs ..."92, 94 etc". )
I received a nice note yesterday from a friend and another from his Son, it seems that the Son had sold David Kahn one of the coins I recently bought at FUN. He included an image ... this coin was not CAC 'd and I asked if he had sent it in to CAC, and he had, but, it did not pass. My friend thinks it's because it has too many marks on the cheek... it does have some activity, yes , but not so much (in hand) to cause me to recind my purchase.
I'll edit this in awhile to add the images.
All I can say is, in hand it's a screamer. My friend also mentioned that I could have saved a bundle if I had bought it directly from him and not thru a dealer... Seems the coin was on our BST prior to my seeing it at Kahn's table.
I have learned a valuable lesson, check the BST regardless if you are looking to buy a specific date or not. Doesn't hurt to browse, Afterall, it's free to look.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
<< <i>Paesan... I would have been heart sick when the Quarter turned in the holder. I am no metallurgist but what was the cause of this...anyone have a reasonable explanation ?
<< <i>
It looks to me as though the coin originally had the awkward toning and someone dipped it to get rid of the weird stuff- you can see the shadow of it on the original images. The edge peripheral toning is more established so it didn't disappear after a quick dip. After all, toning is oxidation and once established it tends to come back.
I find it pretty interesting. I posted in the above link that it had all the die positions, but I was skeptical of the surface pimples. And that I was also unaware of any fake with exact die positions. I was pretty torn on whether it was real or not, but I think it's pretty cool that it is. Especially where it was found.
Jeff- That was as reasonable an explanation as I could have hoped for.
I know "tarnish" resurfaces on sterling silver ( as a kid, it was my job to polish the stuff my folks had ) and it seemed as though I had just finished the cycle and I had to start all over again. Now, I just put the stuff away, and one of these days, I'll have everything professionally cleaned and sealed to prevent and further tarnishing.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
I was skeptical as well on the 01-S - the surface quality bothered me. Seeing all the new Chinese made fakes in fake TPG holders also had me guessing. Nothing is sacred anymore. Once having a graded coin in a PCGS holder was like having it blessed by the right hand of God - no longer.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Yes, the thread is stuck, but instead of posting just once, I thought I'd break up my thoughts into individual posts.
I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday (1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me } (2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon } (3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original presentation ....... )
Ok... Enough digs...
Edit:
Vern... I agree with Paesan... Love the stain dig. I'd still be rip if that happened to me. Especially since I am still looking for a nice 07-S. As is my friend from Atlanta - recently retired - and spending way too much time playing with coins ignoring his poor wife who has been relegated to just call her friends and complain about his obsessive behavior ...
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Thanks. We all need to adhere to the old adage "buy the coin not the holder". I purchased 1912-S Barber Quarter many moons ago in an old, beat up ICG holder. I always look for all off brands as every so often a "cherry appears"!
<< <i>I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday (1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me } (2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon } (3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original presentation ....... ) >>
I received an invite and attended the PCGS Luncheon. The invitation goes out to people who spend $$ on grading coins and have registry sets. I only have a few sets, so clearly the emphasis is how many $$ are spent on grading.
I sat in the front row. When Don was explaining the new PCGS coin purchasing tool I raised my hand and asked him to demonstrate the new feature by showing us all the AU 58 Barber Halves for sale. He chuckled and said "I don't want to", but then he proceeded to do so. Don knew it was all in good fun- he seems like a very nice person. The tool is really cool; he even said that if someone establishes their own website to sell PCXGS coins and send in the link it will be added to their system. Darrell??
<< <i>Justin - He has more halves that are your kind of coins. That's a good alley to be in....... >>
Was he with you at the BCCS meeting in Baltimore a few years ago? I remember meeting a friend of your's who had bought a few halves. His name has since slipped from my memory. Either way, I can't wait to see more.
Paesan - Mowgli got here first, but: NTT, Interesting that Freddie's best friend is a girl in the song. NTM - Zed's dead, Pulp Fiction, what a great movie.
Justin - Yes, Keith was at that BCCS meeting. We've been collector friends now for about 25 years. Besides barbers, he has lots of stellar Indian Cents.
Pics for this AM, another from Keith's collection, NGC-55:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Comments
Paesan
<< <i>There are no '07-O 50c in the pop report as of tonight, so yours will be the first. That coin will attract some strong attention if put on the market, IMO.
<< <i>
Cool- I finally have something the Big Dogs want. Ruff!
To me the obverse looks circulated (barely), but the reverse looks MS. The coin has been sent off to PCGS; what will they do with it?
<< <i>I/m seeking opinions on how this coin will grade- a recent FUN purchase, a raw 1909 50C:
To me the obverse looks circulated (barely), but the reverse looks MS. The coin has been sent off to PCGS; what will they do with it? >>
The 2 hevay marks on the face make me wanna say 53 maybe 55. I would love to see your 07-O and compare it to the CAC 58 I purchased at the show from Tom!
LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's!
<< <i>The FUN show was a 1 way street....Barbers going out the door and none coming in. >>
<< <i>LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's! >>
Glad everyone had a good time at FUN. It was a good read. Darrell, you crack me up. Say one thing, and present another.
Craig - Glad to see that toughie return home. Congrats.
Jeff - Congrats on the 58+ on your 07-O. Also, I'd guess 55 on your '09 FUN purcchase.
Darrell - Glad your FUN wasn't a total loss on the buying front.
Pics for this AM, a beauty I was able to see in hand from Craig's collection, PC58:
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<< <i>
<< <i>The FUN show was a 1 way street....Barbers going out the door and none coming in. >>
<< <i>LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's! >>
Glad everyone had a good time at FUN. It was a good read. Darrell, you crack me up. Say one thing, and present another.
I agree, Justin. He does present a good sob story, and stealthily slides in another coin for his AU 58 set.
When are we going to see the better set with images, Darrell ? When young Madison LogPotato graduates
from High School ??
Great chatting with you Darrell. Glad you had a good show, you deserve it, you work so darn hard !!
Jeff: the 1909 is a 55. ( The reverse is an AU 64 ... Lol ) as Amworld mentioned, the marks on the face lower it to 55.
If the grading Gods smile on you, maybe ... just maybe a 58.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
<< <i>Jeff: the 1909 is a 55. ( The reverse is an AU 64 ... Lol ) as Amworld mentioned, the marks on the face lower it to 55.
If the grading Gods smile on you, maybe ... just maybe a 58. >>
Mike- I agree with your assessment, emphasis on MAYBE a 58. I should of applied a little makeup before sending it in.
I also sent in a spare '04 O 50C for Guarantee Resubmission:
I bought the coin a few years back to get a graded '04 O. At the time my set had a Details grade '04 O, so this was a step up. It's in a PCGS XF 45 holder. I've been trying to sell it for a while with no interest. I'm uncertain what caused the sharp line of black toning, but it does appear that there's environmental damage lingering under the toning. It seems to me that this coin should never have been place in a graded holder, but it will be interesting to see what the Gods at PCGS say. Does anyone have experience with the Guarantee Resubmission? Are they going to tell me the toning and environmental damage happened post holder?
In retrospect, it was a good lesson. That's when I stopped buying holders and started buying quality coins.
Good luck with your 04-O.
Paesan
<< <i>I/m seeking opinions on how this coin will grade- a recent FUN purchase, a raw 1909 50C:
To me the obverse looks circulated (barely), but the reverse looks MS. The coin has been sent off to PCGS; what will they do with it? >>
This appears to have the luster to carry it into an unc holder, I'm a 61 or 62 on it. Luster is king in my experience.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>The FUN show was a 1 way street....Barbers going out the door and none coming in. >>
<< <i>LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's! >>
Glad everyone had a good time at FUN. It was a good read. Darrell, you crack me up. Say one thing, and present another.
I agree, Justin. He does present a good sob story, and stealthily slides in another coin for his AU 58 set.
When are we going to see the better set with images, Darrell ? When young Madison LogPotato graduates
from High School ??
Great chatting with you Darrell. Glad you had a good show, you deserve it, you work so darn hard !! >>
LOL Mike and Justin! I usually come home with 30 or 40! Unfortunately I already have an 07-O in 58. I will get around to picturing my set one of these days.
<< <i>
<< <i>I/m seeking opinions on how this coin will grade- a recent FUN purchase, a raw 1909 50C:
To me the obverse looks circulated (barely), but the reverse looks MS. The coin has been sent off to PCGS; what will they do with it? >>
This appears to have the luster to carry it into an unc holder, I'm a 61 or 62 on it. Luster is king in my experience. >>
I agree it does have nice luster. I have and have seen a 58 or 2 that were Unc but a small scratch or hits like this knock it down.
Tyler
Before
After
This slab number is now listed as MS64, interestingly enough.
Pics for this AM, raw beauties from my friend Keith's collection:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Vern, great pix on the 07-S debacle. Your friend's halves are PQ!
Paesan
Paesan
I am no metallurgist but what was the cause of this...anyone have a reasonable
explanation ? I am at a loss for words. Aside from the way PCGS handled this,
wasn't there any recourse with CAC ?
I fully understand your reluctance in using CAC - based on this one episode. Some
of my friends think they are the "N-th" degree in certification of higher end coins in
their respective grades. I like the premise but then again, I have been at odds with
CAC on occasion. When they do not green bean, etc. A coin, it would be most helpful
if they made mention as to why the coin failed to pass their standards. ( ie: the codes
that PCGS uses on their slabs ..."92, 94 etc". )
I received a nice note yesterday from a friend and another from his Son, it seems that
the Son had sold David Kahn one of the coins I recently bought at FUN. He included an
image ... this coin was not CAC 'd and I asked if he had sent it in to CAC, and he had,
but, it did not pass. My friend thinks it's because it has too many marks on the cheek...
it does have some activity, yes , but not so much (in hand) to cause me to recind my
purchase.
I'll edit this in awhile to add the images.
All I can say is, in hand it's a screamer. My friend also mentioned that I could have saved a
bundle if I had bought it directly from him and not thru a dealer... Seems the coin was on our
BST prior to my seeing it at Kahn's table.
I have learned a valuable lesson, check the BST regardless if you are looking to buy a
specific date or not. Doesn't hurt to browse, Afterall, it's free to look.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
<< <i>Paesan... I would have been heart sick when the Quarter turned in the holder.
I am no metallurgist but what was the cause of this...anyone have a reasonable
explanation ?
<< <i>
It looks to me as though the coin originally had the awkward toning and someone dipped it to get rid of the weird stuff- you can see the shadow of it on the original images. The edge peripheral toning is more established so it didn't disappear after a quick dip. After all, toning is oxidation and once established it tends to come back.
But then what do I know.
<< <i>Remember that 1901-S that we discussed here?
Looks like this came back as real, XF details.
I called it, I called it! >>
Obviously you understand there are only 2 obverse dies and you know what to look for. Congrats to you for your experience and knowledge.
Paesan - Your 07-S shows that CAC is no more reliable than the best TPG.
Mike - Flashy 95-S. I guess it needed a stain to meet CAC standards.
FTB - Good call on the details 01-S. And thanks for the update.
Pics for this AM, another tough date beauty from Craig's collection, PC58:
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...Love the early morning posts and your mid-centered 1897-S Barber Quarter. Here is a post for the newbies that I have posted before:
PC66
Vern, That "stain" comment was hilarious!
Paesan
Jeff- That was as reasonable an explanation as I could have hoped for.
I know "tarnish" resurfaces on sterling silver ( as a kid, it was my job
to polish the stuff my folks had ) and it seemed as though I had just
finished the cycle and I had to start all over again. Now, I just put the
stuff away, and one of these days, I'll have everything professionally
cleaned and sealed to prevent and further tarnishing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I was skeptical as well on the 01-S - the surface quality bothered me.
Seeing all the new Chinese made fakes in fake TPG holders also had me
guessing. Nothing is sacred anymore. Once having a graded coin in a PCGS
holder was like having it blessed by the right hand of God - no longer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>The FUN show was a 1 way street....Barbers going out the door and none coming in. >>
<< <i>LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's! >>
When are we going to see the better set with images, Darrell ? When young Madison LogPotato graduates
from High School ??
>>
Darrell... When are you going to open up your set ???!!!
Don Willis did, then shut it down. Maybe because you had not opened yours !!
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I thought I'd break up my thoughts into individual posts.
I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday
(1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me }
(2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon }
(3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great
time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original
presentation ....
Ok... Enough digs...
Edit:
Vern... I agree with Paesan... Love the stain dig. I'd still be rip if that happened to me. Especially since
I am still looking for a nice 07-S. As is my friend from Atlanta - recently retired - and spending way too
much time playing with coins ignoring his poor wife who has been relegated to just call her friends and
complain about his obsessive behavior ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Thanks. We all need to adhere to the old adage "buy the coin not the holder". I purchased 1912-S Barber Quarter many moons ago in an old, beat up ICG holder. I always look for all off brands as every so often a "cherry appears"!
<< <i>I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday
(1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me }
(2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon }
(3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great
time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original
presentation ....
I received an invite and attended the PCGS Luncheon. The invitation goes out to people who spend $$ on grading coins and have registry sets. I only have a few sets, so clearly the emphasis is how many $$ are spent on grading.
I sat in the front row. When Don was explaining the new PCGS coin purchasing tool I raised my hand and asked him to demonstrate the new feature by showing us all the AU 58 Barber Halves for sale. He chuckled and said "I don't want to", but then he proceeded to do so. Don knew it was all in good fun- he seems like a very nice person. The tool is really cool; he even said that if someone establishes their own website to sell PCXGS coins and send in the link it will be added to their system. Darrell??
<< <i>Justin - He has more halves that are your kind of coins. That's a good alley to be in....... >>
Was he with you at the BCCS meeting in Baltimore a few years ago? I remember meeting a friend of your's who had bought a few halves. His name has since slipped from my memory. Either way, I can't wait to see more.
NTM..."It's a chopper, Baby."
Freddie was not my best friend
I'd rather have a Royale with cheese.
NTT, Interesting that Freddie's best friend is a girl in the song.
NTM - Zed's dead, Pulp Fiction, what a great movie.
Justin - Yes, Keith was at that BCCS meeting. We've been collector friends now for about 25 years. Besides barbers, he has lots of stellar Indian Cents.
Pics for this AM, another from Keith's collection, NGC-55:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Doug
Keith, You've got some very nice coins if you're out there!
Paesan
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
so... if you'd like to browse on the BST ... please, be my guest !!
The Long Beach catalog just arrived... I spotted a Dime I need ....
the Quarters I'm selling will barely pay for the Dime....
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Violets are blue
Out with the old
And in with the new
Mike, Hope your get that dime you want.
Paesan
Paesan - Neither the NTT or NTM are coming to me. And nice to add a little poetry to the thread.
Pics for this AM, wish I could find the qtr to match this dime. From Keith's collection, PC55:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
NTM..."With you, never a quickie. Always a longie."
One offers a cure and the other offers a bite
Vern, That 01-S dime has such a perfect look. Hope your dream comes true some day!
Paesan
1892-P 10C
1892-O 25C Clashed Dies FS-901
1892 50C TDR FS-801 CAC
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
Paesan
oih8 - Wonderful barber type set.
Pics for this AM, great looking newp into Paesan's Stash, PC55:
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