Jeff- That was as reasonable an explanation as I could have hoped for.
I know "tarnish" resurfaces on sterling silver ( as a kid, it was my job to polish the stuff my folks had ) and it seemed as though I had just finished the cycle and I had to start all over again. Now, I just put the stuff away, and one of these days, I'll have everything professionally cleaned and sealed to prevent and further tarnishing.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
I was skeptical as well on the 01-S - the surface quality bothered me. Seeing all the new Chinese made fakes in fake TPG holders also had me guessing. Nothing is sacred anymore. Once having a graded coin in a PCGS holder was like having it blessed by the right hand of God - no longer.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Yes, the thread is stuck, but instead of posting just once, I thought I'd break up my thoughts into individual posts.
I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday (1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me } (2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon } (3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original presentation ....... )
Ok... Enough digs...
Edit:
Vern... I agree with Paesan... Love the stain dig. I'd still be rip if that happened to me. Especially since I am still looking for a nice 07-S. As is my friend from Atlanta - recently retired - and spending way too much time playing with coins ignoring his poor wife who has been relegated to just call her friends and complain about his obsessive behavior ...
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Thanks. We all need to adhere to the old adage "buy the coin not the holder". I purchased 1912-S Barber Quarter many moons ago in an old, beat up ICG holder. I always look for all off brands as every so often a "cherry appears"!
<< <i>I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday (1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me } (2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon } (3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original presentation ....... ) >>
I received an invite and attended the PCGS Luncheon. The invitation goes out to people who spend $$ on grading coins and have registry sets. I only have a few sets, so clearly the emphasis is how many $$ are spent on grading.
I sat in the front row. When Don was explaining the new PCGS coin purchasing tool I raised my hand and asked him to demonstrate the new feature by showing us all the AU 58 Barber Halves for sale. He chuckled and said "I don't want to", but then he proceeded to do so. Don knew it was all in good fun- he seems like a very nice person. The tool is really cool; he even said that if someone establishes their own website to sell PCXGS coins and send in the link it will be added to their system. Darrell??
<< <i>Justin - He has more halves that are your kind of coins. That's a good alley to be in....... >>
Was he with you at the BCCS meeting in Baltimore a few years ago? I remember meeting a friend of your's who had bought a few halves. His name has since slipped from my memory. Either way, I can't wait to see more.
Paesan - Mowgli got here first, but: NTT, Interesting that Freddie's best friend is a girl in the song. NTM - Zed's dead, Pulp Fiction, what a great movie.
Justin - Yes, Keith was at that BCCS meeting. We've been collector friends now for about 25 years. Besides barbers, he has lots of stellar Indian Cents.
Pics for this AM, another from Keith's collection, NGC-55:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
With FUN just behind us, I thought I'd just pen a few words { yes, the Thread is stuck again ! } and say while there, I submitted a few things for Regrade, Cross Over, and some Modern stuff for grading.
Two of the coins { Halves } were of high value [ for me anyway ] and they went Express ... I heard today that the two NGC 65's [ which were formerly in PCGS 65 holders when last sold prior to my getting them at auction in NGC holders ] I guess the guy who bought them in PCGS 65 thought they would cross to NGC as 66's, as they were CAC'd. So, he cracked them out and got the two coins back - yup: both came came back in NGC 65 holders.
Now, even though I have the old Cert. numbers [ not the actual Certs themselves ] our hosts ignored this info. The two Halves just DNC. Which is really too bad. { Understatement }.
I poised this question to someone who submits frequently: If the two coins were originally in PCGS Secure Plus Holders - and were cracked out - then reholdered - and then again, resubmitted to PCGS { showing the old cert numbers on the forms } would it be safe to say that these coins would have been recognized by the machine Secure Plus uses - and therefor be granted the same original grade { provided nothing was done to the coins once they were removed from the PCGS holders ? }
I thought the coins would be recognizable - but my friend said once a coin leaves a PCGS holder - all bets are off. I disagree. The newest imaging system PCGS uses for this purpose is to eliminate this problem. Am I all wet ?
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Mike - I thought one of the big selling points of paying for Secure Plus service was that the coin was always recognizable. I would think that would count for something when it get sents in for rading again. And who in their right mind would think that cracking a PC-65 CAC in hopes of getting an NGC-66 is worth the risk? Most NGC-66's aren't worth any more than PC65's anyway, IMO.
Also, who knows what CAC would do on your dimes. That's just as much a guess as regular TPG. Look at Paesan's 07-S qtr in 65 that turned for an example.
Dennis - I agree, looks like an XF to me as well.
Pics for this AM, newp into Paesan's Stash, PC55:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Jeff, Congrats again on your 58+ grade. They always seem to reward color and luster. I'd like to see them acknowledge superior surfaces and originality, but color is king.
Keith, You've stirred The Logpotato out of hibernation! Nice 01-S!!!
Mike, Lots of people playing (and losing) the crossing game at TPGs. I agree with Vern...wouldn't trade a PC-65 for and NGC-66 holder for the same coin. I think your dimes will CAC, but at half the price, you can get a platinum bean from The Paesan. (actually, it's a grey fish sticker, but it's worth much more!)
My only submission to PCGS in 2014 was thru a reputable dealer (better odds, don't care what anyone says) for my 13-S quarter which crossed from NGC 25. I used to send them about 50 coins per year. (I still subscribe and use my voucher for 8 coins.) My unsolicited advise to all: Save your money and buy more coins instead.
NTT-Open, The Cure, NTM-George Hamilton, Love at First Bite, hilarious vampire spoof with lots of one-liners. Good popcorn movie.
<< <i>I poised this question to someone who submits frequently: If the two coins were originally in PCGS Secure Plus Holders - and were cracked out - then reholdered - and then again, resubmitted to PCGS { showing the old cert numbers on the forms } would it be safe to say that these coins would have been recognized by the machine Secure Plus uses - and therefor be granted the same original grade { provided nothing was done to the coins once they were removed from the PCGS holders ? }
I thought the coins would be recognizable - but my friend said once a coin leaves a PCGS holder - all bets are off. I disagree. The newest imaging system PCGS uses for this purpose is to eliminate this problem. Am I all wet ? >>
The problem is, as I explained the other day, PCGS couldn't in their right mind guarantee to give the same grade, even with the secure plus. While the finger prints could show up, they don't know what happened to that coin since it was cracked. Theres several things that could have happened to it that the sniffer might not pick up, so PCGS can't guarantee to put the coin in a holder with the same grade. The main point of the sniffer recognizing coins is so that when coins are resubmitted and recognized, any doctoring could be detected that happened since its last time through the sniffer to prevent doctored coins sliding through with big upgrades.
Regarding the two "Will They CAC", I have reservations on both. The 1893 is a bit dark for me for the gem grade, and as the photographer I hope the photo is accurate to the in hand look lol. The 04-S, I don't like that blue color on circ coins and find, more often than not, it is MA but not a look that CAC cares for from my experience. For your sake I hope they sticker, but I think both have a higher chance of not stickering.
Mowgli - Great job on the NTT and NTM. Really liked that first Traveling Wilbury's album. Tweeter and the Monkey Man, and all. Still don't know the movie, guess I don't see enough of them.
Paesan - Heard one of my favoriite lines on the way home last night. "I've changed my hairstyle, so many times now, I don't know what I look like". Not tough, just a neat lyric, IMO.
Back to coins, the last one from Keith until I see him next month, PC50:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Last year, I finally found a nice 09-S in a PCGS 61 holder. So, I bought it; only to find an AU 58 CAC a few months later. As it turns out, the AU 58 was once in my first collection - ex: Tom Casey. I have since sold the 61.
I believe Valente151 imaged the AU 58 over Thanksgiving. I must have posted the images. If not, I'll edit this with the pictures.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
I need a little help from my friends. U recently picked up a nice '99 S 50C NGC 58:
The coin has a nice hint of golden toning around the perimeter, but the a big golden dot on the reverse. The spot on the reverse bothers me a bit, but otherwise it's a great coin. I want to get it in a PCGS holder; I see two options: 1. Submit the coin in the NGC holder and learn to like the spot. 2. Crack the coin and give it a quick dip to get rid of the spot, but loose all other toning as well.
Of course I know it's a sin to talk about "dipping" here, but what would you do? Is the spot that bad?
Comments
Paesan - Your 07-S shows that CAC is no more reliable than the best TPG.
Mike - Flashy 95-S. I guess it needed a stain to meet CAC standards.
FTB - Good call on the details 01-S. And thanks for the update.
Pics for this AM, another tough date beauty from Craig's collection, PC58:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
...Love the early morning posts and your mid-centered 1897-S Barber Quarter. Here is a post for the newbies that I have posted before:
PC66
Vern, That "stain" comment was hilarious!
Paesan
Jeff- That was as reasonable an explanation as I could have hoped for.
I know "tarnish" resurfaces on sterling silver ( as a kid, it was my job
to polish the stuff my folks had ) and it seemed as though I had just
finished the cycle and I had to start all over again. Now, I just put the
stuff away, and one of these days, I'll have everything professionally
cleaned and sealed to prevent and further tarnishing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I was skeptical as well on the 01-S - the surface quality bothered me.
Seeing all the new Chinese made fakes in fake TPG holders also had me
guessing. Nothing is sacred anymore. Once having a graded coin in a PCGS
holder was like having it blessed by the right hand of God - no longer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>The FUN show was a 1 way street....Barbers going out the door and none coming in. >>
<< <i>LOL! Yeah I did buy a couple of half's! >>
When are we going to see the better set with images, Darrell ? When young Madison LogPotato graduates
from High School ??
>>
Darrell... When are you going to open up your set ???!!!
Don Willis did, then shut it down. Maybe because you had not opened yours !!
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I thought I'd break up my thoughts into individual posts.
I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday
(1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me }
(2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon }
(3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great
time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original
presentation ....
Ok... Enough digs...
Edit:
Vern... I agree with Paesan... Love the stain dig. I'd still be rip if that happened to me. Especially since
I am still looking for a nice 07-S. As is my friend from Atlanta - recently retired - and spending way too
much time playing with coins ignoring his poor wife who has been relegated to just call her friends and
complain about his obsessive behavior ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Thanks. We all need to adhere to the old adage "buy the coin not the holder". I purchased 1912-S Barber Quarter many moons ago in an old, beat up ICG holder. I always look for all off brands as every so often a "cherry appears"!
<< <i>I did not attend the PCGS Luncheon last Friday
(1) ... I did not receive an invitation. { 32 Registered Sets didn't qualify me }
(2) ....I had other obligations to attend to.... { Because I was not invited to the PCGS Luncheon }
(3)....
This morning I watched the video of Don Willis explaining the new feature on the Registry, what a great
time saver this is !! Congratulations to the staff at PCGS ( even though I wasn't invited to the original
presentation ....
I received an invite and attended the PCGS Luncheon. The invitation goes out to people who spend $$ on grading coins and have registry sets. I only have a few sets, so clearly the emphasis is how many $$ are spent on grading.
I sat in the front row. When Don was explaining the new PCGS coin purchasing tool I raised my hand and asked him to demonstrate the new feature by showing us all the AU 58 Barber Halves for sale. He chuckled and said "I don't want to", but then he proceeded to do so. Don knew it was all in good fun- he seems like a very nice person. The tool is really cool; he even said that if someone establishes their own website to sell PCXGS coins and send in the link it will be added to their system. Darrell??
<< <i>Justin - He has more halves that are your kind of coins. That's a good alley to be in....... >>
Was he with you at the BCCS meeting in Baltimore a few years ago? I remember meeting a friend of your's who had bought a few halves. His name has since slipped from my memory. Either way, I can't wait to see more.
NTM..."It's a chopper, Baby."
Freddie was not my best friend
I'd rather have a Royale with cheese.
NTT, Interesting that Freddie's best friend is a girl in the song.
NTM - Zed's dead, Pulp Fiction, what a great movie.
Justin - Yes, Keith was at that BCCS meeting. We've been collector friends now for about 25 years. Besides barbers, he has lots of stellar Indian Cents.
Pics for this AM, another from Keith's collection, NGC-55:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Doug
Keith, You've got some very nice coins if you're out there!
Paesan
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
so... if you'd like to browse on the BST ... please, be my guest !!
The Long Beach catalog just arrived... I spotted a Dime I need ....
the Quarters I'm selling will barely pay for the Dime....
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Violets are blue
Out with the old
And in with the new
Mike, Hope your get that dime you want.
Paesan
Paesan - Neither the NTT or NTM are coming to me. And nice to add a little poetry to the thread.
Pics for this AM, wish I could find the qtr to match this dime. From Keith's collection, PC55:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
NTM..."With you, never a quickie. Always a longie."
One offers a cure and the other offers a bite
Vern, That 01-S dime has such a perfect look. Hope your dream comes true some day!
Paesan
1892-P 10C
1892-O 25C Clashed Dies FS-901
1892 50C TDR FS-801 CAC
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Paesan
oih8 - Wonderful barber type set.
Pics for this AM, great looking newp into Paesan's Stash, PC55:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I won't try to convince you that it's the best AU out there, but I guess our host thinks so.
Pics for this AM, from Keith's collection, PC35:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
With FUN just behind us, I thought I'd just pen a few words { yes, the Thread is stuck again ! }
and say while there, I submitted a few things for Regrade, Cross Over, and some Modern stuff for
grading.
Two of the coins { Halves } were of high value [ for me anyway ] and they went Express ... I heard today
that the two NGC 65's [ which were formerly in PCGS 65 holders when last sold prior to my getting
them at auction in NGC holders ] I guess the guy who bought them in PCGS 65 thought they would
cross to NGC as 66's, as they were CAC'd. So, he cracked them out and got the two coins back - yup: both
came came back in NGC 65 holders.
Now, even though I have the old Cert. numbers [ not the actual Certs themselves ] our hosts ignored
this info. The two Halves just DNC. Which is really too bad. { Understatement }.
I poised this question to someone who submits frequently: If the two coins were originally in PCGS Secure Plus
Holders - and were cracked out - then reholdered - and then again, resubmitted to PCGS { showing the old cert
numbers on the forms } would it be safe to say that these coins would have been recognized by the machine
Secure Plus uses - and therefor be granted the same original grade { provided nothing was done to the coins once
they were removed from the PCGS holders ? }
I thought the coins would be recognizable - but my friend said once a coin leaves a PCGS holder - all bets are off.
I disagree. The newest imaging system PCGS uses for this purpose is to eliminate this problem. Am I all wet ?
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I read a Thread discussing Dimes.
Do you think CAC would bless this Dime ?
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I also heard that Q David Bowers has written a new book....
Hold onto your hats, Boys and Girls... it the long awaited
Barber Coinage Book - published by Whitman Press.
I would think its a must have for all our libraries !!
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I'd have edited my last image about would this Dime CAC...
but ... I can't...
So, same question....Do you think this will CAC ?
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
I don't remember if I showed this one [ I must have ]
I picked this up from Glenn Holsonbake last year ....
new image by Valente151
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Perfect antique skin and an XF any day.
Also, who knows what CAC would do on your dimes. That's just as much a guess as regular TPG. Look at Paesan's 07-S qtr in 65 that turned for an example.
Dennis - I agree, looks like an XF to me as well.
Pics for this AM, newp into Paesan's Stash, PC55:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Keith, You've stirred The Logpotato out of hibernation! Nice 01-S!!!
Mike, Lots of people playing (and losing) the crossing game at TPGs. I agree with Vern...wouldn't trade a PC-65 for and NGC-66 holder for the same coin. I think your dimes will CAC, but at half the price, you can get a platinum bean from The Paesan. (actually, it's a grey fish sticker, but it's worth much more!)
My only submission to PCGS in 2014 was thru a reputable dealer (better odds, don't care what anyone says) for my 13-S quarter which crossed from NGC 25. I used to send them about 50 coins per year. (I still subscribe and use my voucher for 8 coins.) My unsolicited advise to all: Save your money and buy more coins instead.
NTT-Open, The Cure, NTM-George Hamilton, Love at First Bite, hilarious vampire spoof with lots of one-liners. Good popcorn movie.
Paesan
<< <i>Amazing 01-s half from Vern's post above.
Perfect antique skin and an XF any day. >>
I agree, that's a great looking original coin.
On another day, it's an XF 40.
Nice coin, Keith. Thanks for posting it, Vern.
Jeff, that coin did well, an AU 58+ is no easy feat.
Congratulations.
Edit: To bring your attention to a new set on the Registry: 1896 Mint Set / No Gold
.... Wonder What Happened ? .....
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
NTM..."IT! IT is confusing! Say your g--damn pronouns!"
Some sore of traveling wheel barrows and I miss Peter Falk.
<< <i>I poised this question to someone who submits frequently: If the two coins were originally in PCGS Secure Plus
Holders - and were cracked out - then reholdered - and then again, resubmitted to PCGS { showing the old cert
numbers on the forms } would it be safe to say that these coins would have been recognized by the machine
Secure Plus uses - and therefor be granted the same original grade { provided nothing was done to the coins once
they were removed from the PCGS holders ? }
I thought the coins would be recognizable - but my friend said once a coin leaves a PCGS holder - all bets are off.
I disagree. The newest imaging system PCGS uses for this purpose is to eliminate this problem. Am I all wet ? >>
The problem is, as I explained the other day, PCGS couldn't in their right mind guarantee to give the same grade, even with the secure plus. While the finger prints could show up, they don't know what happened to that coin since it was cracked. Theres several things that could have happened to it that the sniffer might not pick up, so PCGS can't guarantee to put the coin in a holder with the same grade. The main point of the sniffer recognizing coins is so that when coins are resubmitted and recognized, any doctoring could be detected that happened since its last time through the sniffer to prevent doctored coins sliding through with big upgrades.
Regarding the two "Will They CAC", I have reservations on both. The 1893 is a bit dark for me for the gem grade, and as the photographer I hope the photo is accurate to the in hand look lol. The 04-S, I don't like that blue color on circ coins and find, more often than not, it is MA but not a look that CAC cares for from my experience. For your sake I hope they sticker, but I think both have a higher chance of not stickering.
Still don't know the movie, guess I don't see enough of them.
Paesan - Heard one of my favoriite lines on the way home last night. "I've changed my hairstyle, so many times now, I don't know what I look like".
Not tough, just a neat lyric, IMO.
Back to coins, the last one from Keith until I see him next month, PC50:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Vern, I'll bet Mike is gonna like that dime!
Paesan
Paesan,
The 09-S in AU is a tough coin to locate.
Last year, I finally found a nice 09-S in a
PCGS 61 holder. So, I bought it; only to
find an AU 58 CAC a few months later. As
it turns out, the AU 58 was once in my first
collection - ex: Tom Casey. I have since sold
the 61.
I believe Valente151 imaged the AU 58 over
Thanksgiving. I must have posted the images.
If not, I'll edit this with the pictures.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
<< <i>just bought this really tough 1895 s quarter in Pcgs au58 - not sure if I will keep it or sell it!
As fate would have it, I ended up buying this at FUN
...from a dealer....
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
<< <i>
>>
No need to replace this one !!
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
The coin has a nice hint of golden toning around the perimeter, but the a big golden dot on the reverse. The spot on the reverse bothers me a bit, but otherwise it's a great coin. I want to get it in a PCGS holder; I see two options:
1. Submit the coin in the NGC holder and learn to like the spot.
2. Crack the coin and give it a quick dip to get rid of the spot, but loose all other toning as well.
Of course I know it's a sin to talk about "dipping" here, but what would you do? Is the spot that bad?
I'm planning on submitting this to PCGS for crossover as well. It's a little dark, we'll need to see what happens.
<< <i>I'd have edited my last image about would this Dime CAC...
but ... I can't...
So, same question....Do you think this will CAC ?
Gorgeous Green tone!
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I'm planning on sending this to PCGS to see if I can get it in a AU 58 holder. The hits on the face concern me; we'll see what happens.