For the naysayers who want to (erroneously) try to point out that Romo doesn't know how to 'close out' or 'win when it matters', I present to you FIVE examples of his leading his team back in the fourth quarter to win games (and this happened all in one year - 2012). I know it doesn't fit the narrative of 'he's a choker!' that the media loves to lazily toss around, and use the lack of playoff wins/super bowl appearances as 'evidence' of it. But anyone with a functioning brain knows that playoff appearances and wins are based heavily on the talent around said QB. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, would anyone in a million years prefer to have him over Romo? Only those so BLIND to their ignorance would make that trade. Without further ado, the evidence:
T. Romo 24/34 227 6.7 1 0 0-0 85.6 98.5 "Tony Romo knows how to win a close game, something Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers still haven't figured out. Romo led the Cowboys into field-goal range and Dan Bailey converted a 28-yarder with 3:25 remaining to lift the Dallas Cowboys to a 19-14 win on Sunday."
Week 10 against Cleveland:
T. Romo 35/50 313 6.3 1 0 7-56 56.3 93.2 "Tony Romo persevered through a career-high seven sacks, even avoiding costly mistakes that have dogged his career as he ran from constant pressure."
Week 13 against Philadelphia: T. Romo 22/27 303 11.2 3 0 2-9 95.5 150.5 "The first two scoring tosses from Romo erased seven-point deficits, including a 23-yarder to Dez Bryant that was vintage Romo and broke Aikman's career mark of 165 TD passes. Romo tied it again at 24 on a throw to Miles Austin, and had one more answer after Brown and Foles led the Eagles to a go-ahead field goal. He threw deep to Bryant for 35 yards on third down, and Bryant found his way into the end zone again by taking a screen pass 6 yards just inside the pylon for a 31-27 lead with 5:40 remaining in the game."
Week 14 against Cincinnati: T. Romo 25/43 268 6.2 1 1 3-29 52.7 74.6 "The Cowboys overcame a nine-point deficit in the closing minutes behind Romo."
Week 15 against Pittsburgh: T. Romo 30/42 341 8.1 2 0 1-13 71.9 111.3
This comes the year after leading four fourth quarter, game winning drives in 2011. Anyone suggesting that Romo has a propensity for 'choking' or can't 'close' games is so brain washed by the media that they can't even think for themselves anymore. Yesterday was the perfect example: if Romo doesn't have the game he did, the Cowboys lose by 20 or more, easily. But Dallas' defense is terrible, and they allowed 48 points. If you want to hang that last field goal on Romo, fine, but you surely can't blame him for the first 48 therefore blaming him for the loss is proof positive you don't know how to win football games.
He doesn't have the cognitive skills to understand what happens when one points their finger.
Speaking of the 2012 season, didn't the Cowboys go 8-8 and miss the playoffs? Great job, Romo, leading your team to 3rd place in your division. Well done.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Interesting that 1985fan has not answered my question. Which of the quarterbacks on 2013 team rosters would he want to play for his team in the Super Bowl?
He doesn't have the cognitive skills to understand what happens when one points their finger.
Speaking of the 2012 season, didn't the Cowboys go 8-8 and miss the playoffs? Great job, Romo, leading your team to 3rd place in your division. Well done. >>
Funny, but Drew Brees passed for more yards than anyone, and HIS team went 7-9 and finished third in his divison. Hmm interesting what happens when the team sucks around a great QB, doesn't it? But because he was on a great team that won a super bowl a few years ago, he gets a pass. Interesting.
I'll say it again, for those who are apparently too slow to pick up on what causes TEAMS to win and lose: its more than just what one player does, even if its someone as important as the QB. He finished top 10 in QB rating, and third in passing yards. Dallas' defense in 2012 was ranked 19th in yards allowed, and 24th in points allowed per game.
<< <i>For the naysayers who want to (erroneously) try to point out that Romo doesn't know how to 'close out' or 'win when it matters', I present to you FIVE examples of his leading his team back in the fourth quarter to win games (and this happened all in one year - 2012). I know it doesn't fit the narrative of 'he's a choker!' that the media loves to lazily toss around, and use the lack of playoff wins/super bowl appearances as 'evidence' of it. But anyone with a functioning brain knows that playoff appearances and wins are based heavily on the talent around said QB. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, would anyone in a million years prefer to have him over Romo? Only those so BLIND to their ignorance would make that trade. Without further ado, the evidence:
T. Romo 24/34 227 6.7 1 0 0-0 85.6 98.5 "Tony Romo knows how to win a close game, something Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers still haven't figured out. Romo led the Cowboys into field-goal range and Dan Bailey converted a 28-yarder with 3:25 remaining to lift the Dallas Cowboys to a 19-14 win on Sunday."
Week 10 against Cleveland:
T. Romo 35/50 313 6.3 1 0 7-56 56.3 93.2 "Tony Romo persevered through a career-high seven sacks, even avoiding costly mistakes that have dogged his career as he ran from constant pressure."
Week 13 against Philadelphia: T. Romo 22/27 303 11.2 3 0 2-9 95.5 150.5 "The first two scoring tosses from Romo erased seven-point deficits, including a 23-yarder to Dez Bryant that was vintage Romo and broke Aikman's career mark of 165 TD passes. Romo tied it again at 24 on a throw to Miles Austin, and had one more answer after Brown and Foles led the Eagles to a go-ahead field goal. He threw deep to Bryant for 35 yards on third down, and Bryant found his way into the end zone again by taking a screen pass 6 yards just inside the pylon for a 31-27 lead with 5:40 remaining in the game."
Week 14 against Cincinnati: T. Romo 25/43 268 6.2 1 1 3-29 52.7 74.6 "The Cowboys overcame a nine-point deficit in the closing minutes behind Romo."
Week 15 against Pittsburgh: T. Romo 30/42 341 8.1 2 0 1-13 71.9 111.3
This comes the year after leading four fourth quarter, game winning drives in 2011. Anyone suggesting that Romo has a propensity for 'choking' or can't 'close' games is so brain washed by the media that they can't even think for themselves anymore. Yesterday was the perfect example: if Romo doesn't have the game he did, the Cowboys lose by 20 or more, easily. But Dallas' defense is terrible, and they allowed 48 points. If you want to hang that last field goal on Romo, fine, but you surely can't blame him for the first 48 therefore blaming him for the loss is proof positive you don't know how to win football games. >>
You're right, Tony should definitely be lauded for his play in the first 58 minutes of a season (i.e. weeks 7, 10, 13, 14, 15). Except there's a problem here, and everyone but you is able to discern it. The final two minutes -- arguably the most vital two? -- tell a completely different story (i.e. week 16 - loss to the Saints & 17 - the third win-or-go-home loss in the past five years.....against the Skins).
Why you're having a hard time comprehending all of this is beyond me, but then again I've witnessed you in action and it really should come as no surprise. When Romo is needed most, weeks 7, 10, 13, 14, and 15 are nowhere to be found. And therein lies the reason why the Cowboys go home early every year. Has it sunk in yet?
Now, be sure and dissect the week 16 & 17 box scores from '12 to bolster your stance, and when you're done with those two games, be sure and go back to '06 and do the same for the next six years. But whatever you do, make sure you absolve Romo of any shortcomings.............I'd hate for you to deviate now, Mr. two-thirds.
I took a big Romo this morning. Coffee and fiber do a body good.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Matt Ryan? LOL Forget it. You know absolutely NOTHING about the NFL. >>
Ryan had two late TD drives to give his team the lead with 2 min left. He also has more 4th quarter comeback wins than any QB since he came into the league.
Oh and by the way, add Geno Smith to my list of QBs I'd rather have than Romo.
true, but it wasn't because he handed the victory to the Jets on a silver platter via a TO >>
He didn't win the game, it must be all his fault! >>
This is actually not even funny anymore. If you can't see the difference in how those two games were lost (the other team's offense running a flawless 2 min drill VS. an extremely ill advised pass into triple coverage resulting in a pick in his own red zone) then we have nothing more to talk about
We stopped having anything to talk about when you (a) refuse to give any credit to Romo for singlehandedly keeping the Cowboys in that game, and (b) blaming the loss entirely on his shoulders.
It's a shame that spewed diarrhea of spin, double talk, misdirection, and projection has made this thread a complete mess.
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<< <i>I asked a longtime Cowboy fan at work yesterday this very same question.
I asked him, "After that game against Denver, did you think Romo was sensational, or Romo blew it."
He smiled and said Romo blew it, and he said Romo has had a history of blowing it in big games.
I moved along, as Dallas is a team I could care less about. >>
I know for a fact this is the opinion of most Cowboy fans. I'm in Austin, and I hear it all day long. From family, co-workers, radio shows, etc. They have common sense enough to know what the real problem is. Most of them actually place most of the blame on Jerry, for sticking with Romo for this long.
Personally, I find fans' and locals' perspective more credible than some insignificant troll that regurgitates what they selectively find on google from 2,000 miles away.
Spewing. Diarrhea. Cha-cha-cha.
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I agree with 1985fan. Anyone who would blame that loss on Romo is just being totally unreasonable. It's like a batter going 4-5 with 4 Hrs, but striking out in the ninth and being balmed for the team's 12-11 loss. You have to see the big picture. If I were a die-hard Cowboys fan, there are few QBs I'd rather thave than Romo. I'd take Romo over Rivers, Roehtlisberger, Cutler, Vick, Eli Manning, Schaub or C. Palmer in a heartbeat. 1985fan has pointed out many times that Romo did come through in the clutch, something I'm sure the anti-Romo crowd loves to just conveniently forget. As far as Romo not making the SB yet, just remember it took even Peyton 9 years to make it. I think Colts fans are glad the team didn't just write him off as a great QB who just couldn't win the big one. Lastly, I just want to say I totally get the feeling that, all else equal, if that Romo int hadn't happened, and the Cowboys had won the game, Dimeman wouldn't have posted here in praise of Romo's unbelievable game.
<< <i>I agree with 1985fan. Anyone who would blame that loss on Romo is just being totally unreasonable. It's like a batter going 4-5 with 4 Hrs, but striking out in the ninth and being balmed for the team's 12-11 loss. You have to see the big picture. If I were a die-hard Cowboys fan, there are few QBs I'd rather thave than Romo. I'd take Romo over Rivers, Roehtlisberger, Cutler, Vick, Eli Manning, Schaub or C. Palmer in a heartbeat. 1985fan has pointed out many times that Romo did come through in the clutch, something I'm sure the anti-Romo crowd loves to just conveniently forget. As far as Romo not making the SB yet, just remember it took even Peyton 9 years to make it. I think Colts fans are glad the team didn't just write him off as a great QB who just couldn't win the big one. Lastly, I just want to say I totally get the feeling that, all else equal, if that Romo int hadn't happened, and the Cowboys had won the game, Dimeman wouldn't have posted here in praise of Romo's unbelievable game.
Be fair and reasonable. >>
I agree on all those points.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys - Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL title.
Would you trade Romo's wins in games that don't make much difference to the overall season for when the season / postseason is on the line?
That, my friends, is the big picture.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Would you trade Romo's wins in games that don't make much difference to the overall season for when the season / postseason is on the line?
That, my friends, is the big picture. >>
EVERY game in the regular season matters. This ain't baseball. I know where this question is heading...last year the COWBOYS lost the final two games and missed the playoffs. But without Romo's late game heroics in any of the five games that he led the TEAM from behind they wouldn't have been on the cusp in the first place. JUST LIKE SUNDAY if Romo hadn't had an epic game it wouldn't have been close in the fourth quarter.
<< <i> 1985fan is clueless and will never get it. All he can do is harp on the great game Tony played up until the time he blew the game. >>
What I don't understand is how someone can claim to be a cowboys fan but are so willing to throw an all star QB under the bus because the media tells him to. Where were you last year when he was leading fourth quarter, come from behind drives to win games? Are you really so oblivious to how team sports work that you cannot or will not comprehend that a crappy defense (and yes, the Cowboys defense is GARBAGE) does not lend itself to winning seasons?
<< <i>It really doesn't matter.......idiot owner Jerry just signed loser Romo to a big contract and all Cowboy fans have to live with that. >>
Were you calling Jones an idiot when he was winning super bowls? I didn't think so.
<< <i>I'm still a diehard Cowboy fan, but not stupid enough to think Romo is a winner. I would take all of those QB's list by Walton over Romo. >>
And one day, you will be stuck with one, and instead of 9-7 or 8-8, you'll be going 4-12.
<< <i>I will be glad when he is gone!!!! >>
You know what they say about getting what you wish for...
<< <i>I sure am glad there are others out here who can see what is really happening here with Romo. >>
Very much so and I look forward to hearing from dfr52 and calls.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
What happened on Sunday was that Romo and his corp of receivers slugged it out against Manning and his corp of receivers for 57+ minutes of the game resulting in a 48-48 tie score (or heck just cancel the points out and consider it 0-0 with 2:37 seconds to go).
For the first 57+ minutes of the game Romo was the reason why Dallas was tied and was not getting blown out by 20+ points. He was a stud and a hero. He deserves all of the glory and all of the credit. A magnificent performance, no doubt.
With the scored tied and with Dallas on offense, poised to march down the field against a helpless Denver defense that had been abused by Romo and crew all day long, Dallas should have moved the ball down the field little by little to eat up the clock. Dallas should have moved into Denver territory and positioned the ball at a place on the field where its field goal kicker could have kicked the game winner with 2-3 seconds on the clock (to ensure that Manning and the Denver offense did not get another chance to get the ball and torch the helpless Dallas defense).
The game was one where the last team to have the ball on offense would more than likely win the game. Can anyone deny this?
So with all of the above, what happens?
Dallas runs a pass play and Romo makes a decision to throw the ball into tight coverage. He did not have to do so. It was not third or fourth down with a do or die scenario. The Denver defender made a play and intercepted the ball.
Turn over.
Denver takes possession of the ball on offense. Manning and company march the ball slowly towards the end zone. They get a first down at the one or two yard line. There is no need for them to score on the play since they got a first down. The runner was told by Manning "do not score". The runner probably had to fight his instincts to avoid crossing the goal line. With a new set of four downs, Denver ran the clock down and positioned the ball for its kicker to kick a field goal with seconds on the clock. Money chip shot. Denver leads 51-48 or 3-0. Time runs out. Romo and the rest of the Dallas offense NEVER get back on the field. Game over, Denver escapes with a win in a game that they should not have won.
The only reason that Denver won the game is that Romo made a mistake when he tried to force the ball into tight coverage.
Got to give Romo lots of credit for he was MAS GRANDE TIEMPO Y MUY, MUY, MUY, MUY MACHISMO PARA CINCUENTASIETE MINUTOS Y VENTETRES SEUGUNDOS (aka BIG TIME AND VERY MACHO)
Then, A DOS MINUTEOS Y TRENTESIETE SEGUNDOS ROMO ES MUY, MUY, MUY, MUY, MALO Y ES NO MACHO (aka, VERY BAD AND NOT MACHO).
That is what happened on Sunday. Both offenses were great. Both defenses were horrible. Romo was great and then he made a mistake that allowed Denver to win a game it should have lost.
I think I've already made my point. It's not just the final 2 or 5 minutes of a game that matter. It's the whole 60 minutes. If you're going to blame Romo for that int, then in fairness, give him credit for his incredible play for the first 58 minutes, without which there would not have been any clutch situation, as it would have been a blowout.
And according to pro footballreference.com, he has 18 career 4th quarter comebacks, and 19 game-winning drives anyway. It's just the anti-Romo crowd chooses to forget this, but remember his mistakes. I guess one can call this selective amnesia.
Anyway, we'll see how he does the rest of this year, and his career. I don't think there are too many QBs better than him out there. Even Matt Ryan is 1-4 and Big Ben 0-4 right now. It could be worse.
I think I've already made my point. It's not just the final 2 or 5 minutes of a game that matter. It's the whole 60 minutes. If you're going to blame Romo for that int, then in fairness, give him credit for his incredible play for the first 58 minutes, without which there would not have been any clutch situation, as it would have been a blowout. >>
You couldn't be more right, and it's a point I've been trying to make an re-make, but the Romo haters simply can't (or won't) grasp. That without a Herculean effort by Romo, the Cowboys get blown out in that game. They want to pin the loss solely on his shoulders, and are, again, unable or unwilling to concede the only reason the Cowboys were close was because of Romo's amazing performance.
<< <i>And according to pro footballreference.com, he has 18 career 4th quarter comebacks, and 19 game-winning drives anyway. It's just the anti-Romo crowd chooses to forget this, but remember his mistakes. I guess one can call this selective amnesia. >>
Because it doesn't fit into their (or the media's) preconceived notion that Romo can't close games. When evidence is given that directly refutes it, people like stown counter with 'well those games didn't matter!' as if any one of just 16 games isn't as important as the others. This isn't baseball, where one game here and there is a giveaway. Each and every week in football is critical.
<< <i>Anyway, we'll see how he does the rest of this year, and his career. I don't think there are too many QBs better than him out there. Even Matt Ryan is 1-4 and Big Ben 0-4 right now. It could be worse. >>
It could be a lot worse. There aren't many QBs out there with better numbers than Romo. Hell, even last year, nobody seems to realize that Romo was less than 100 yards away from throwing for 5,000 yards! He's second only to sure-fire MVP Manning in QB rating. But don't tell any of that to the Romo haters out there. All they see is the team record, and are completely unable to fathom that a terrible defense will nearly always doom an MVP level QB.
I think I've already made my point. It's not just the final 2 or 5 minutes of a game that matter. It's the whole 60 minutes. If you're going to blame Romo for that int, then in fairness, give him credit for his incredible play for the first 58 minutes, without which there would not have been any clutch situation, as it would have been a blowout.
And according to pro footballreference.com, he has 18 career 4th quarter comebacks, and 19 game-winning drives anyway. It's just the anti-Romo crowd chooses to forget this, but remember his mistakes. I guess one can call this selective amnesia.
Anyway, we'll see how he does the rest of this year, and his career. I don't think there are too many QBs better than him out there. Even Matt Ryan is 1-4 and Big Ben 0-4 right now. It could be worse. >>
I appreciate the response and understand where you're coming from. However, you didn't address my question, which I assume go lost in the chatter:
Would you trade Romo's wins in games that don't make much difference to the overall season for when the season / postseason is on the line?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
It's cute that there's someone out there so deluded on their thinking that they think there are games in the regular nfl season that don't matter much. Adorable!
All in a pathetic, desperate attempt to try to prop up their ignorant line of thinking.
PEYTON MANNING: Oh, Romo. If you looked up the word “Failure” in the dictionary, do you know what you’d see?
TONY ROMO: A picture of me?
PEYTON MANNING: Nope, you wouldn’t see anything. Because you’d flip to the page perfectly, scroll down the listings one by one, then right before you got to the definition you’d trip, drop the book in a fireplace, start a raging blaze, and burn your house down.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Quick, name that team that's had the most regular season victories each of the past 5 years! >>
Quick, name what these two teams have in common:
RK TEAM YDS YDS/G PASS P YDS/G RUSH R YDS/G PTS PTS/G 24 Dallas 5687 355.4 3684 230.3 2003 125.2 400 25.0 31 New Orleans 7042 440.1 4681 292.6 2361 147.6 454 28.4
Give up? 2 elite QBs, two terrible defenses = teams that were finished with disappointing records. This isn't brain surgery, folks, and the fact that some of you are either unable or unwilling to grasp this fact has gotten comical at this point.
Currently lurking in an undisclosed Southeast U.S. metropolitan area until our Legislative Branch decides to fund the government. >>
Good to hear from you and just hunker down until dust settles.
Back on topic, I'm so glad members here always do apples-to-apples comparisons for last year's stats. After all, the Cowboys had their head coach suspended for a year, intern head coach for the first 6 games, their GM for 8 games, a joke of a defensive coordinator who was previously fired by the Rams, and a dark cloud hanging over the organization all year long.
Oh, wait...
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Back on topic, I'm so glad members here always do apples-to-apples comparisons for last year's stats. After all, the Cowboys had their head coach suspended for a year, intern head coach for the first 6 games, their GM for 8 games, a joke of a defensive coordinator who was previously fired by the Rams, and a dark cloud hanging over the organization all year long.
Oh, wait... >>
Recovering from Wade Phillips is probably a bigger challenge.
Tony Romo can't help it. It's tough when your team owner is the Antichrist.
1985fan, I want you to click on the link at the very bottom (well below your infamous quotes) and examine it very carefully. If you're having a hard time remembering which team won the SB that year and who their signal caller was, shoot me a PM and I'll be more than happy to assist. Nothing else really needs to be said, other than you're a disgrace to these discussions. Continuing to thrust TR into the "elite" category of QBs is the very reason why you can't pick NFL games, and it's the very reason why you thought C.J. Spiller (you know, the guy whose stats are worse than a 32(!)-yr-old teammate) was due for a colossal year. Don't you think you should learn from those experiences and try to save a little face, sir? For those just tuning in, this is the same guy who said the following:
Why is it impossible for you and your ilk to comprehend that an elite QB can only take a mediocre team so far?
That without even an average defense, a top flight QB can only go so far?
I was equating the dependency on a TEAM not just an elite QB...
I've already proven those assertions wrong once by showing you that Denver's D is statistically worse than Dallas' this season. In fact, there's only one team looking up at them. But because they have a truly elite QB, they're undefeated. Dallas, on the other hand, has a guy who puts his team in a position to do great things, but more times than not -- and especially when it matters most -- it ends right there. That's why they're 2-3. And that's why they lost against Denver. And that's why they lost against KC. And that's why they've lost three win-or-go-home games in the past five years. And that's why they've won one postseason game in past seven years. What is it going to take for you to realize that a Week 7 comeback win amounts to very little when you can't parlay that into wins in Week 17 and beyond? Osmosis, perhaps? You do realize that elitism is not synonymous with horseshoes and hand grenades, right? Come on, man, surely you're not that obtuse.
Using a 5 game sample size instead of an entire season is a curious (albeit completely transparent) move.
The Saints, under Brees, finished third in their divison with a 7-9 record. Their defense was abysmal, and, despite Brees being magnificent and passing for over 5000 yards, the team suffered.
The Cowboys, under Romo, finished third in their division with an 8-8 record. Their defense was abysmal, and, despite Romo being magnificent and passing for nearly 5000 yards, the team suffered.
Drew Brees had 2 fourth quarter comeback, game winning drives. Romo had 5.
But somehow, because Brees has played on better teams and was able win a super bowl, he gets a pass. He gets a pass despite losing to Seattle in 2011 even being heavy favorites.
Romo, on the other hand, hasn't been as fortunate to be on as many good teams as Brees had. He also is collateral damage for the mindless hate people throw the Cowboys' way for their unending media presence. The Cowboys are on TV A LOT, are talked about by dopey sports personalities A LOT, and Romo must put up with a bunch of ignorant folks ranting A LOT.
So next time you want to start bashing Romo for his supposed role in the team loss to the Broncos, take a step back and ask yourself why, honestly, you feel the need to attack a guy who's done nothing but do his job well.
By the way, all these tired cliches about not being able to 'close', or not being 'clutch' ALL were being lobbed at Peyton's way before he got his ring.
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<< <i>Hey Stown you're logged into the wrong account. >>
Another bit of irony
The Proof
Week 7 against Carolina:
T. Romo 24/34 227 6.7 1 0 0-0 85.6 98.5
"Tony Romo knows how to win a close game, something Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers still haven't figured out. Romo led the Cowboys into field-goal range and Dan Bailey converted a 28-yarder with 3:25 remaining to lift the Dallas Cowboys to a 19-14 win on Sunday."
Week 10 against Cleveland:
T. Romo 35/50 313 6.3 1 0 7-56 56.3 93.2
"Tony Romo persevered through a career-high seven sacks, even avoiding costly mistakes that have dogged his career as he ran from constant pressure."
Week 13 against Philadelphia:
T. Romo 22/27 303 11.2 3 0 2-9 95.5 150.5
"The first two scoring tosses from Romo erased seven-point deficits, including a 23-yarder to Dez Bryant that was vintage Romo and broke Aikman's career mark of 165 TD passes. Romo tied it again at 24 on a throw to Miles Austin, and had one more answer after Brown and Foles led the Eagles to a go-ahead field goal. He threw deep to Bryant for 35 yards on third down, and Bryant found his way into the end zone again by taking a screen pass 6 yards just inside the pylon for a 31-27 lead with 5:40 remaining in the game."
Week 14 against Cincinnati:
T. Romo 25/43 268 6.2 1 1 3-29 52.7 74.6
"The Cowboys overcame a nine-point deficit in the closing minutes behind Romo."
Week 15 against Pittsburgh:
T. Romo 30/42 341 8.1 2 0 1-13 71.9 111.3
This comes the year after leading four fourth quarter, game winning drives in 2011. Anyone suggesting that Romo has a propensity for 'choking' or can't 'close' games is so brain washed by the media that they can't even think for themselves anymore. Yesterday was the perfect example: if Romo doesn't have the game he did, the Cowboys lose by 20 or more, easily. But Dallas' defense is terrible, and they allowed 48 points. If you want to hang that last field goal on Romo, fine, but you surely can't blame him for the first 48 therefore blaming him for the loss is proof positive you don't know how to win football games.
<< <i>Another bit of irony >>
He doesn't have the cognitive skills to understand what happens when one points their finger.
Speaking of the 2012 season, didn't the Cowboys go 8-8 and miss the playoffs? Great job, Romo, leading your team to 3rd place in your division. Well done.
<< <i>
<< <i>Another bit of irony >>
He doesn't have the cognitive skills to understand what happens when one points their finger.
Speaking of the 2012 season, didn't the Cowboys go 8-8 and miss the playoffs? Great job, Romo, leading your team to 3rd place in your division. Well done. >>
Funny, but Drew Brees passed for more yards than anyone, and HIS team went 7-9 and finished third in his divison. Hmm interesting what happens when the team sucks around a great QB, doesn't it? But because he was on a great team that won a super bowl a few years ago, he gets a pass. Interesting.
I'll say it again, for those who are apparently too slow to pick up on what causes TEAMS to win and lose: its more than just what one player does, even if its someone as important as the QB. He finished top 10 in QB rating, and third in passing yards. Dallas' defense in 2012 was ranked 19th in yards allowed, and 24th in points allowed per game.
Class dismissed.
<< <i>For the naysayers who want to (erroneously) try to point out that Romo doesn't know how to 'close out' or 'win when it matters', I present to you FIVE examples of his leading his team back in the fourth quarter to win games (and this happened all in one year - 2012). I know it doesn't fit the narrative of 'he's a choker!' that the media loves to lazily toss around, and use the lack of playoff wins/super bowl appearances as 'evidence' of it. But anyone with a functioning brain knows that playoff appearances and wins are based heavily on the talent around said QB. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, would anyone in a million years prefer to have him over Romo? Only those so BLIND to their ignorance would make that trade. Without further ado, the evidence:
The Proof
Week 7 against Carolina:
T. Romo 24/34 227 6.7 1 0 0-0 85.6 98.5
"Tony Romo knows how to win a close game, something Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers still haven't figured out. Romo led the Cowboys into field-goal range and Dan Bailey converted a 28-yarder with 3:25 remaining to lift the Dallas Cowboys to a 19-14 win on Sunday."
Week 10 against Cleveland:
T. Romo 35/50 313 6.3 1 0 7-56 56.3 93.2
"Tony Romo persevered through a career-high seven sacks, even avoiding costly mistakes that have dogged his career as he ran from constant pressure."
Week 13 against Philadelphia:
T. Romo 22/27 303 11.2 3 0 2-9 95.5 150.5
"The first two scoring tosses from Romo erased seven-point deficits, including a 23-yarder to Dez Bryant that was vintage Romo and broke Aikman's career mark of 165 TD passes. Romo tied it again at 24 on a throw to Miles Austin, and had one more answer after Brown and Foles led the Eagles to a go-ahead field goal. He threw deep to Bryant for 35 yards on third down, and Bryant found his way into the end zone again by taking a screen pass 6 yards just inside the pylon for a 31-27 lead with 5:40 remaining in the game."
Week 14 against Cincinnati:
T. Romo 25/43 268 6.2 1 1 3-29 52.7 74.6
"The Cowboys overcame a nine-point deficit in the closing minutes behind Romo."
Week 15 against Pittsburgh:
T. Romo 30/42 341 8.1 2 0 1-13 71.9 111.3
This comes the year after leading four fourth quarter, game winning drives in 2011. Anyone suggesting that Romo has a propensity for 'choking' or can't 'close' games is so brain washed by the media that they can't even think for themselves anymore. Yesterday was the perfect example: if Romo doesn't have the game he did, the Cowboys lose by 20 or more, easily. But Dallas' defense is terrible, and they allowed 48 points. If you want to hang that last field goal on Romo, fine, but you surely can't blame him for the first 48 therefore blaming him for the loss is proof positive you don't know how to win football games. >>
You're right, Tony should definitely be lauded for his play in the first 58 minutes of a season (i.e. weeks 7, 10, 13, 14, 15). Except there's a problem here, and everyone but you is able to discern it. The final two minutes -- arguably the most vital two? -- tell a completely different story (i.e. week 16 - loss to the Saints & 17 - the third win-or-go-home loss in the past five years.....against the Skins).
Why you're having a hard time comprehending all of this is beyond me, but then again I've witnessed you in action and it really should come as no surprise. When Romo is needed most, weeks 7, 10, 13, 14, and 15 are nowhere to be found. And therein lies the reason why the Cowboys go home early every year. Has it sunk in yet?
Now, be sure and dissect the week 16 & 17 box scores from '12 to bolster your stance, and when you're done with those two games, be sure and go back to '06 and do the same for the next six years. But whatever you do, make sure you absolve Romo of any shortcomings.............I'd hate for you to deviate now, Mr. two-thirds.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
The argument was romo couldn't close. I definitively countered that argument.
Case dismissed.
Maybe he is having a difficult time doing the research into the stats of the current crop of QB's and has not yet made up his mind.
Payton, romo, Brady, Kaep, Rodgers, Brees. Maybe Luck.
<< <i>Matt Ryan? LOL Forget it. You know absolutely NOTHING about the NFL. >>
Ryan had two late TD drives to give his team the lead with 2 min left. He also has more 4th quarter comeback wins than any QB since he came into the league.
Oh and by the way, add Geno Smith to my list of QBs I'd rather have than Romo.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
<< <i>Did Ryan win or lose tonight?
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >>
true, but it wasn't because he handed the victory to the Jets on a silver platter via a TO
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<< <i>Did Ryan win or lose tonight?
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >>
true, but it wasn't because he handed the victory to the Jets on a silver platter via a TO >>
He didn't win the game, it must be all his fault!
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<< <i>Did Ryan win or lose tonight?
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >>
true, but it wasn't because he handed the victory to the Jets on a silver platter via a TO >>
He didn't win the game, it must be all his fault! >>
This is actually not even funny anymore. If you can't see the difference in how those two games were lost (the other team's offense running a flawless 2 min drill VS. an extremely ill advised pass into triple coverage resulting in a pick in his own red zone) then we have nothing more to talk about
Good luck with that ignorance!
I asked him, "After that game against Denver, did you think Romo was sensational, or Romo blew it."
He smiled and said Romo blew it, and he said Romo has had a history of blowing it in big games.
I moved along, as Dallas is a team I could care less about.
<< <i>I asked a longtime Cowboy fan at work yesterday this very same question.
I asked him, "After that game against Denver, did you think Romo was sensational, or Romo blew it."
He smiled and said Romo blew it, and he said Romo has had a history of blowing it in big games.
I moved along, as Dallas is a team I could care less about. >>
I know for a fact this is the opinion of most Cowboy fans. I'm in Austin, and I hear it all day long. From family, co-workers, radio shows, etc. They have common sense enough to know what the real problem is. Most of them actually place most of the blame on Jerry, for sticking with Romo for this long.
Spewing. Diarrhea. Cha-cha-cha.
Hilarious.
Be fair and reasonable.
<< <i>I agree with 1985fan. Anyone who would blame that loss on Romo is just being totally unreasonable. It's like a batter going 4-5 with 4 Hrs, but striking out in the ninth and being balmed for the team's 12-11 loss. You have to see the big picture. If I were a die-hard Cowboys fan, there are few QBs I'd rather thave than Romo. I'd take Romo over Rivers, Roehtlisberger, Cutler, Vick, Eli Manning, Schaub or C. Palmer in a heartbeat. 1985fan has pointed out many times that Romo did come through in the clutch, something I'm sure the anti-Romo crowd loves to just conveniently forget. As far as Romo not making the SB yet, just remember it took even Peyton 9 years to make it. I think Colts fans are glad the team didn't just write him off as a great QB who just couldn't win the big one. Lastly, I just want to say I totally get the feeling that, all else equal, if that Romo int hadn't happened, and the Cowboys had won the game, Dimeman wouldn't have posted here in praise of Romo's unbelievable game.
Be fair and reasonable. >>
I agree on all those points.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
title.
Would you trade Romo's wins in games that don't make much difference to the overall season for when the season / postseason is on the line?
That, my friends, is the big picture.
<< <i>Question for dfr52 and calls.
Would you trade Romo's wins in games that don't make much difference to the overall season for when the season / postseason is on the line?
That, my friends, is the big picture. >>
EVERY game in the regular season matters. This ain't baseball. I know where this question is heading...last year the COWBOYS lost the final two games and missed the playoffs. But without Romo's late game heroics in any of the five games that he led the TEAM from behind they wouldn't have been on the cusp in the first place. JUST LIKE SUNDAY if Romo hadn't had an epic game it wouldn't have been close in the fourth quarter.
Thank you stown for proving my points perfectly.
1985fan is clueless and will never get it. All he can do is harp on the great game Tony played up until the time he blew the game.
It really doesn't matter.......idiot owner Jerry just signed loser Romo to a big contract and all Cowboy fans have to live with that.
I'm still a diehard Cowboy fan, but not stupid enough to think Romo is a winner. I would take all of those QB's list by Walton over Romo.
I will be glad when he is gone!!!!
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1985fan is clueless and will never get it. All he can do is harp on the great game Tony played up until the time he blew the game.
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What I don't understand is how someone can claim to be a cowboys fan but are so willing to throw an all star QB under the bus because the media tells him to. Where were you last year when he was leading fourth quarter, come from behind drives to win games? Are you really so oblivious to how team sports work that you cannot or will not comprehend that a crappy defense (and yes, the Cowboys defense is GARBAGE) does not lend itself to winning seasons?
<< <i>It really doesn't matter.......idiot owner Jerry just signed loser Romo to a big contract and all Cowboy fans have to live with that. >>
Were you calling Jones an idiot when he was winning super bowls? I didn't think so.
<< <i>I'm still a diehard Cowboy fan, but not stupid enough to think Romo is a winner. I would take all of those QB's list by Walton over Romo. >>
And one day, you will be stuck with one, and instead of 9-7 or 8-8, you'll be going 4-12.
<< <i>I will be glad when he is gone!!!! >>
You know what they say about getting what you wish for...
<< <i>I sure am glad there are others out here who can see what is really happening here with Romo. >>
Very much so and I look forward to hearing from dfr52 and calls.
For the first 57+ minutes of the game Romo was the reason why Dallas was tied and was not getting blown out by 20+ points. He was a stud and a hero. He deserves all of the glory and all of the credit. A magnificent performance, no doubt.
With the scored tied and with Dallas on offense, poised to march down the field against a helpless Denver defense that had been abused by Romo and crew all day long, Dallas should have moved the ball down the field little by little to eat up the clock. Dallas should have moved into Denver territory and positioned the ball at a place on the field where its field goal kicker could have kicked the game winner with 2-3 seconds on the clock (to ensure that Manning and the Denver offense did not get another chance to get the ball and torch the helpless Dallas defense).
The game was one where the last team to have the ball on offense would more than likely win the game. Can anyone deny this?
So with all of the above, what happens?
Dallas runs a pass play and Romo makes a decision to throw the ball into tight coverage. He did not have to do so. It was not third or fourth down with a do or die scenario. The Denver defender made a play and intercepted the ball.
Turn over.
Denver takes possession of the ball on offense. Manning and company march the ball slowly towards the end zone. They get a first down at the one or two yard line. There is no need for them to score on the play since they got a first down. The runner was told by Manning "do not score". The runner probably had to fight his instincts to avoid crossing the goal line. With a new set of four downs, Denver ran the clock down and positioned the ball for its kicker to kick a field goal with seconds on the clock. Money chip shot. Denver leads 51-48 or 3-0. Time runs out. Romo and the rest of the Dallas offense NEVER get back on the field. Game over, Denver escapes with a win in a game that they should not have won.
The only reason that Denver won the game is that Romo made a mistake when he tried to force the ball into tight coverage.
Got to give Romo lots of credit for he was MAS GRANDE TIEMPO Y MUY, MUY, MUY, MUY MACHISMO PARA CINCUENTASIETE MINUTOS Y VENTETRES SEUGUNDOS (aka BIG TIME AND VERY MACHO)
Then, A DOS MINUTEOS Y TRENTESIETE SEGUNDOS ROMO ES MUY, MUY, MUY, MUY, MALO Y ES NO MACHO (aka, VERY BAD AND NOT MACHO).
That is what happened on Sunday. Both offenses were great. Both defenses were horrible. Romo was great and then he made a mistake that allowed Denver to win a game it should have lost.
I think I've already made my point. It's not just the final 2 or 5 minutes of a game that matter. It's the whole 60 minutes. If you're going to blame Romo for that int, then in fairness, give him credit for his incredible play for the first 58 minutes, without which there would not have been any clutch situation, as it would have been a blowout.
And according to pro footballreference.com, he has 18 career 4th quarter comebacks, and 19 game-winning drives anyway. It's just the anti-Romo crowd chooses to forget this, but remember his mistakes. I guess one can call this selective amnesia.
Anyway, we'll see how he does the rest of this year, and his career. I don't think there are too many QBs better than him out there. Even Matt Ryan is 1-4 and Big Ben 0-4 right now. It could be worse.
<< <i>stown,
I think I've already made my point. It's not just the final 2 or 5 minutes of a game that matter. It's the whole 60 minutes. If you're going to blame Romo for that int, then in fairness, give him credit for his incredible play for the first 58 minutes, without which there would not have been any clutch situation, as it would have been a blowout.
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You couldn't be more right, and it's a point I've been trying to make an re-make, but the Romo haters simply can't (or won't) grasp. That without a Herculean effort by Romo, the Cowboys get blown out in that game. They want to pin the loss solely on his shoulders, and are, again, unable or unwilling to concede the only reason the Cowboys were close was because of Romo's amazing performance.
<< <i>And according to pro footballreference.com, he has 18 career 4th quarter comebacks, and 19 game-winning drives anyway. It's just the anti-Romo crowd chooses to forget this, but remember his mistakes. I guess one can call this selective amnesia. >>
Because it doesn't fit into their (or the media's) preconceived notion that Romo can't close games. When evidence is given that directly refutes it, people like stown counter with 'well those games didn't matter!' as if any one of just 16 games isn't as important as the others. This isn't baseball, where one game here and there is a giveaway. Each and every week in football is critical.
<< <i>Anyway, we'll see how he does the rest of this year, and his career. I don't think there are too many QBs better than him out there. Even Matt Ryan is 1-4 and Big Ben 0-4 right now. It could be worse. >>
It could be a lot worse. There aren't many QBs out there with better numbers than Romo. Hell, even last year, nobody seems to realize that Romo was less than 100 yards away from throwing for 5,000 yards! He's second only to sure-fire MVP Manning in QB rating. But don't tell any of that to the Romo haters out there. All they see is the team record, and are completely unable to fathom that a terrible defense will nearly always doom an MVP level QB.
I love Tony Romo and hope he spends his entire career in Dallas.
He is a true player in the vaunted Cowboy tradition and has perfected the art of snatching his team from the jaws of victory.
<< <i>stown,
I think I've already made my point. It's not just the final 2 or 5 minutes of a game that matter. It's the whole 60 minutes. If you're going to blame Romo for that int, then in fairness, give him credit for his incredible play for the first 58 minutes, without which there would not have been any clutch situation, as it would have been a blowout.
And according to pro footballreference.com, he has 18 career 4th quarter comebacks, and 19 game-winning drives anyway. It's just the anti-Romo crowd chooses to forget this, but remember his mistakes. I guess one can call this selective amnesia.
Anyway, we'll see how he does the rest of this year, and his career. I don't think there are too many QBs better than him out there. Even Matt Ryan is 1-4 and Big Ben 0-4 right now. It could be worse. >>
I appreciate the response and understand where you're coming from. However, you didn't address my question, which I assume go lost in the chatter:
Would you trade Romo's wins in games that don't make much difference to the overall season for when the season / postseason is on the line?
All in a pathetic, desperate attempt to try to prop up their ignorant line of thinking.
PEYTON MANNING: Oh, Romo. If you looked up the word “Failure” in the dictionary, do you know what you’d see?
TONY ROMO: A picture of me?
PEYTON MANNING: Nope, you wouldn’t see anything. Because you’d flip to the page perfectly, scroll down the listings one by one, then right before you got to the definition you’d trip, drop the book in a fireplace, start a raging blaze, and burn your house down.
Howdy, Keith! Hope all is well.
<< <i>+ 1 for a SoFLPhillyFan sighting.
Howdy, Keith! Hope all is well.
Currently lurking in an undisclosed Southeast U.S. metropolitan area until our Legislative Branch decides to fund the government.
<< <i>Quick, name that team that's had the most regular season victories each of the past 5 years! >>
Quick, name what these two teams have in common:
RK TEAM YDS YDS/G PASS P YDS/G RUSH R YDS/G PTS PTS/G
24 Dallas 5687 355.4 3684 230.3 2003 125.2 400 25.0
31 New Orleans 7042 440.1 4681 292.6 2361 147.6 454 28.4
Give up? 2 elite QBs, two terrible defenses = teams that were finished with disappointing records. This isn't brain surgery, folks, and the fact that some of you are either unable or unwilling to grasp this fact has gotten comical at this point.
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<< <i>+ 1 for a SoFLPhillyFan sighting.
Howdy, Keith! Hope all is well.
Currently lurking in an undisclosed Southeast U.S. metropolitan area until our Legislative Branch decides to fund the government. >>
Good to hear from you and just hunker down until dust settles.
Back on topic, I'm so glad members here always do apples-to-apples comparisons for last year's stats. After all, the Cowboys had their head coach suspended for a year, intern head coach for the first 6 games, their GM for 8 games, a joke of a defensive coordinator who was previously fired by the Rams, and a dark cloud hanging over the organization all year long.
Oh, wait...
<< <i>Back on topic, I'm so glad members here always do apples-to-apples comparisons for last year's stats. After all, the Cowboys had their head coach suspended for a year, intern head coach for the first 6 games, their GM for 8 games, a joke of a defensive coordinator who was previously fired by the Rams, and a dark cloud hanging over the organization all year long.
Oh, wait... >>
Recovering from Wade Phillips is probably a bigger challenge.
Tony Romo can't help it. It's tough when your team owner is the Antichrist.
I was equating the dependency on a TEAM not just an elite QB, but some people are too dense to pick up on that.
<< <i>some people are too dense to pick up on that. >>
Why is it impossible for you and your ilk to comprehend that an elite QB can only take a mediocre team so far?
That without even an average defense, a top flight QB can only go so far?
I was equating the dependency on a TEAM not just an elite QB...
I've already proven those assertions wrong once by showing you that Denver's D is statistically worse than Dallas' this season. In fact, there's only one team looking up at them. But because they have a truly elite QB, they're undefeated. Dallas, on the other hand, has a guy who puts his team in a position to do great things, but more times than not -- and especially when it matters most -- it ends right there. That's why they're 2-3. And that's why they lost against Denver. And that's why they lost against KC. And that's why they've lost three win-or-go-home games in the past five years. And that's why they've won one postseason game in past seven years. What is it going to take for you to realize that a Week 7 comeback win amounts to very little when you can't parlay that into wins in Week 17 and beyond? Osmosis, perhaps? You do realize that elitism is not synonymous with horseshoes and hand grenades, right? Come on, man, surely you're not that obtuse.
Without further ado, I present you this:
'06
Once again, which direction are you going to cut, C.J.? There are 9 in the box, bro...
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
The Saints, under Brees, finished third in their divison with a 7-9 record. Their defense was abysmal, and, despite Brees being magnificent and passing for over 5000 yards, the team suffered.
The Cowboys, under Romo, finished third in their division with an 8-8 record. Their defense was abysmal, and, despite Romo being magnificent and passing for nearly 5000 yards, the team suffered.
Drew Brees had 2 fourth quarter comeback, game winning drives. Romo had 5.
But somehow, because Brees has played on better teams and was able win a super bowl, he gets a pass. He gets a pass despite losing to Seattle in 2011 even being heavy favorites.
Romo, on the other hand, hasn't been as fortunate to be on as many good teams as Brees had. He also is collateral damage for the mindless hate people throw the Cowboys' way for their unending media presence. The Cowboys are on TV A LOT, are talked about by dopey sports personalities A LOT, and Romo must put up with a bunch of ignorant folks ranting A LOT.
So next time you want to start bashing Romo for his supposed role in the team loss to the Broncos, take a step back and ask yourself why, honestly, you feel the need to attack a guy who's done nothing but do his job well.