Come on man! Another spellchecker! You know good and well who I was talking about from the quote and the fact that we are talking QB's not RB's.
Plus I don't remember Walter fumbling the ball and losing games.
If Romo was putting up numbers (like he is) and not turning the ball over and losing games I would be right there with you saying he is a really good QB.
BUT as I have pointed out and many others agree he has a reputation (well deserved) of making BIG mistakes at end of games and losing the game!
Plus I don't remember Walter fumbling the ball and losing games
Check out some footage on the year following the Bear's Super Bowl triumph in '86. Playoffs at home versus the Redskins, with about 4 minutes left and trailing by 4, Payton fumbled inside the Skins 10 yard line. Redskins took it the length of the field for a touchdown and put the game out of reach. End of any possible dynasty.
But Walter wasn't know as a fumbler. Romo is known as a choker. And not just by me. If it only happened here and there and he did great the rest of the time ....... that would be one thing........but it happens WAY to often!
We are both Cowboy fans. You are satisfied with Romo........I am not. That's the bottom line I guess.
Aside from Eli Manning, you are simply naming the absolute elite QBs. That could be said for pretty much every other team in the NFL. I'm not saying that Romo is in the top 3 - 4 QB's. I'm saying that he gives Dallas a better chance of winning that nearly every other QB you did not mention.
<< <i>The biggest problem with the defense right now is injuries.....same with the O-line.
But I believe you could replace Romo with Manning (either one) or Breeze or Rodgers or Brady to name a few and the Boys would go on a winning streak. >>
Who's this Breeze character you're talking about?
Oh, you mean *Brees*? Good lord man how can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously as you absolutely refuse to spell players' names correctly? It would have taken you literally a couple of seconds to get that spelling right.
So you think Brady could come in right now and perform at a higher level than Romo has? From a guy who (I looked this up) is completing 16% of his passes from 20 yards out? As far as the others go, like was mentioned, you're talking about the three very best QBs in the league! But even with them I doubt they win more games - the offense is NOT the problem here.
<< <i>Aside from Eli Manning, you are simply naming the absolute elite QBs. That could be said for pretty much every other team in the NFL. I'm not saying that Romo is in the top 3 - 4 QB's. I'm saying that he gives Dallas a better chance of winning that nearly every other QB you did not mention. >>
But that's what dimeman has been saying the entire time. Even with his numbers, Romo is not an 'elite' quarterback. That term is reserved for the best of the best, regardless if people attempt to diminish the true meaning and make it more inclusive for players that are not worthy of it. At this point in his career, Romo has not displayed leadership qualities that elite QBs do by second nature and it was on display during the DET game.
Let's take the NFL's word that Dez's antics were with positive intentions. Based on the players' reactions on the sidelines, one could easily assume Dez was being disruptive, especially when Witten got in his face essentially said "I'm sick of his crud" with 12 seconds left in the game. Keep in mind, there was a break in the action since replay officials were reviewing Stafford's TD. Where was Romo when his top two playmakers were going at it? All by himself, looking at the field, and almost in a daydream like state. Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, et al would have taken the initiative to broker a peace because that's what elite quarterbacks do.
Others, not so much.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
But that's what dimeman has been saying the entire time. Even with his numbers, Romo is not an 'elite' quarterback
This debate turned the corner last night Stown. I am not arguing that Romo is Peyton, Drew, Aaron or Tom. When this entire debate got heated up was when it was suggested that Romo, with 506 yards and 5 touchdowns, blew the Denver game and not the Big D, that happened to allow Denver to score 51.
You find a time when one of these elite QB's that we've mentioned had to score more than 48 points to win a game (other than this game, obviously) My argument all along has been the defense should have been held more to blame for the Denver game, just like the Detroit game last week. Look at the numbers Dan Fouts put up during his career or Marino. Between the 2 of them rewriting the QB record books, they made it to a combined one Super Bowl in about 35 years --- and got creamed. Does that keep them from being considered Elite?
Dallas needs to fix their defensive problems before worrying about the QB situation.
<< <i>But that's what dimeman has been saying the entire time. Even with his numbers, Romo is not an 'elite' quarterback
This debate turned the corner last night Stown. I am not arguing that Romo is Peyton, Drew, Aaron or Tom. When this entire debate got heated up was when it was suggested that Romo, with 506 yards and 5 touchdowns, blew the Denver game and not the Big D, that happened to allow Denver to score 51.
You find a time when one of these elite QB's that we've mentioned had to score more than 48 points to win a game (other than this game, obviously) My argument all along has been the defense should have been held more to blame for the Denver game, just like the Detroit game last week. Look at the numbers Dan Fouts put up during his career or Marino. Between the 2 of them rewriting the QB record books, they made it to a combined one Super Bowl in about 35 years --- and got creamed. Does that keep them from being considered Elite?
Dallas needs to fix their defensive problems before worrying about the QB situation. >>
It's my fault for not making a note that you acknowledged Romo isn't an elite quarterback. I'm not saying that sarcastically, I really should have given props.
The recent surge in points are a consequence of rules being adjusted in the offense's favor and a product of this era, so we can't really use it as an accurate bar for QBs from previous generations. As for Fouts and Marino, I cannot speak for others but IMO, not having a ring doesn't hurt a QBs chances of being considered 'elite'; however, having one does help. Yes, it is a slippery slope but I'm sure you understand the overall concept.
The Cowboys do need to fix their defense but until Romo steps up and takes a leadership role, they will remain a .500 team (give or take a win). Chicken and the egg scenario but with a rare exception or two, that's what is required for a team to have a legit chance at a championship run.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
>>>But that's what dimeman has been saying the entire time. Even with his numbers, Romo is not an 'elite' quarterback. <<<
THANK YOU STOWN!! I am glad someone is paying attention.
I still put the loss to Denver on Romo. Yes, the defense gave up 48 points.....so did Denver's! The game was tied and Romo had the ball and threw it away. And he, YES Romo gave them the winning FG.
The Detroit loss was definitely the defense's fault. That prevent defense on Detroit's winning drive was HORRENDOUS !!!!!
1985fan....IF YOU CAN'T GET OVER MISSPELLINGS..........GET LOST AND STAY OFF ANY THREAD I HAVE!!! PLEASE!!! YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!!
<< <i> I still put the loss to Denver on Romo. Yes, the defense gave up 48 points.....so did Denver's! The game was tied and Romo had the ball and threw it away. And he, YES Romo gave them the winning FG. >>
If, after all this time, you want to put the loss on Romo despite scoring 48 points, then there's nothing in the world that is going to change your (obvious) deluded way of thinking. It's hilarious how absolutely dense and ignorant you choose to be. Instead of focusing on the defense that allowed 51 points, you want to point to one play and say that's why they lost. You, sir, are a completely lost cause. Period. The fact that you seem to take joy in deriding your pro bowl QB is even more proof how what a totally complete lunatic you are.
<< <i>The Detroit loss was definitely the defense's fault. That prevent defense on Detroit's winning drive was HORRENDOUS !!!!! >>
So this time it was the defense's fault but not when they allowed 51 points? /boggle
1985fan - you are the idiot that can't seem to see the reality here. First the defense gave up 48 not 51 points in the Denver game.
The score was tied......both teams gave up 48 points. Are ya still with me here!!! The ball is in Romo's hands to take the ball down the field for the winning FG. This is what an elite QB would do. But wait...instead Romo makes a bad decision and bad throw and gives the ball to Denver in FG range. They kick the winning FG. How can you put the blame on the defense!!
Any IDIOT can see that in this case the loss is a DIRECT result of the INT!!!!
<< <i>1985fan - you are the idiot that can't seem to see the reality here. First the defense gave up 48 not 51 points in the Denver game. >>
Your continued insistence that Romo allowed 3 points is comical. But sure, let's give you that point. That doesn't excuse the defense from allowing FOURTY EIGHT points. Period.
<< <i>The score was tied......both teams gave up 48 points. Are ya still with me here!!! The ball is in Romo's hands to take the ball down the field for the winning FG. This is what an elite QB would do. But wait...instead Romo makes a bad decision and bad throw and gives the ball to Denver in FG range. They kick the winning FG. How can you put the blame on the defense!! >>
Did you even watch the play? Or any of the analysis that happened after? Of course you didn't. He had a lineman pushed into him immediately before the throw, which threw off the ball. But then why would we let these little things like 'facts' or 'logic' enter into your discourse? It requires thought, something you are obviously unable or unwilling to do. The fact that you are willing to attribute an entire game's outcome to the final play/drive while at the same time ignoring Romo's exemplary fourth quarter statistics is mind numbing.
<< <i>Any IDIOT can see that in this case the loss is a DIRECT result of the INT!!!! >>
No, anyone can see this loss was a direct case of a defense that was clearly overmatched in every aspect of the game, and allowed 51 points to be scored. Period. Since you are completely unable to grasp this concept, this will be my last reply to you. Maybe at some point in the future you will grasp the fundamentals of the game. Until then? Keep rooting for your OWN TEAM'S FAILURES, as you obviously LOVE to do it.
1st and 10 at DAL 20 (Shotgun) T.Romo sacked at DAL 14 for -6 yards (S.Phillips). 2nd and 16 at DAL 14 (Shotgun) T.Romo pass short right intended for G.Escobar INTERCEPTED by D.Trevathan at DAL 24. D.Trevathan to DAL 24 for no gain (G.Escobar).
DRIVE TOTALS: DEN 48, DAL 48, 1 plays, -6 yards, 0:42 elapsed
Denver Broncos at 1:57
1st and 10 at DAL 24 (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short left to D.Thomas to DAL 11 for 13 yards (B.Carr). Timeout #1 by DAL at 01:49. 1st and 10 at DAL 11 (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DAL 10 for 1 yard (D.Ware). Timeout #2 by DAL at 01:45. 2nd and 9 at DAL 10 (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short right to J.Thomas pushed ob at DAL 2 for 8 yards (J.Wilcox). 3rd and 1 at DAL 2 (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DAL 1 for 1 yard (S.Lee; J.Wilcox). Timeout #3 by DAL at 01:35. 1st and 1 at DAL 1 P.Manning left end to DAL 5 for -4 yards (D.Ware). 2nd and 5 at DAL 5 P.Manning kneels to DAL 6 for -1 yards. 3rd and 6 at DAL 6 P.Manning kneels to DAL 10 for -4 yards. Timeout #1 by DEN at 00:02. 4th and 10 at DAL 10 (Field Goal formation) M.Prater 28 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-A.Brewer, Holder-B.Colquitt.
DRIVE TOTALS: DEN 51, DAL 48, 8 plays, 14 yards, 1:57 elapsed
End of Game
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Why people continue to ignore a majority of the game as if it doesn't matter are the same mindless folks who think that early season games somehow have less value than late in the season. Clueless!
I don't recall anyone saying Romo is an elite QB. But he is better than what Dimeman gives him credit for. I am not a Dallas fan, but objectively speaking, he is most certainly better than 2/3 of the starting QBs in the NFL right now, and is not the reason the Cowboys are struggling right now.
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1985fan- you are the one that is clueless. At 2:39 to go in the 4th tied at 48....It's a new game...square 1. Both teams have scored 48 and given up 48. Non of that matters at this point.
Dallas has the ball to either go down the field for a score and win or run the clock out and go to OT.
But NO.....Romo tries a pass that he should have eaten and gone to the next play which results in the winning FG for the other team!
This is the difference between an elite QB and one that is not!
Do you think that if the tables were turned and Denver had the ball to go down the field.....would Manning throw a INT to give Dallas the winning FG!!!
I wonder if dimeman only watches the last two minutes of each football game, because accoding to him that's the only time of the game that actually contributes to the outcome of the game.
First the defense gave up 48 not 51 points in the Denver game.
Come on DIMEMAN, I thought we worked our way to a happy medium with an understanding of what events took place.
If you dont think the defense gave up 51 points, do you also not think that Denver's defense gave up 48, since Manning through an interception earlier that led to a Cowboy's score?
As soon as you begin to make a semi sane comment, you follow it up with something that makes me wonder if you're talking about football or some other sport entirely.
Check any NFL record book, end of year stats, anything at all and show me where the points dont count against the defense's statistics, if the score happened after a QB threw an interception.
I'm trying to give you any benefit of the doubt, but you just make it impossible.
There is a big difference between turning the ball over that "leads" to a score, where the other team has to come down the field.....
AND when the turnover puts them in FG position. Surely you can see the difference between the two.
With the score tied and the way it ended.....the Denver loss was clearly Romo's fault. I have never said that all of the Cowboys losses are on Romo......but he is known to choke at end of games and does cost the Cowboys games. This is known by all announcer's and football anyalist's and coaches alike! It's not just me folks.
You probably don't blame Romo for the loss against Detroit several years ago. Where Dallas had a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter and Romo throws 3 INT'S that leads to scores and they lose the game.......WELL THAT LOSS IS HIS TOO!
And the list on Romo's lack of judgement and playing like a High School QB could go on and on!
And saying he is better than 2/3 of the NFL QB's is a real stretch. It's closer to the other way around. Stat wise he is probably still in the top 10 ...... even after that stellar game against Detroit Sunday.
And NO he is not the only problem in Dallas. The biggest problem the owner Jerry "the jerk" Jones followed closely by our inept coach Garrett. But we will never get a top head coach as long as Jerry owns the team.....and that could be a long long time!
Dimeman, if you truly believe that Romo is among the bottom third tier of NFL QBs, you don't really understand the game of pro football. Like the majority of fans out there, you are overreacting and letting your emotions cloud your perception. This is not uncommon and a staple of talk radio and other sports message board behavior. That doesn't mean it has any semblance to reality though. Most fans need a scapegoat to pin the blame on and Romo is a convenient target and fulfills that purpose.
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<< <i>grote15 - looks like you and 1985fan are right and the rest of us are wrong!
I bow to you....and acknowledge Romo as the greatest QB ever! >>
Many people here think you are overreacting here with your criticism of Romo but in true tunnel vision form you don't even realize it. Lightningboy tried reasoning with you but gave up as it was apparently a futile effort.
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ou probably don't blame Romo for the loss against Detroit several years ago. Where Dallas had a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter and Romo throws 3 INT'S that leads to scores and they lose the game.......WELL THAT LOSS IS HIS TOO!
See DIMEMAN, these are the kinds of accusations that seem to illogically flow through your fingers.
You dont think that I or you, for that matter, should see a difference in a game where he throws 3 interceptions, including 2 pick 6's versus a game where he throws 1 interception along with 500+ yards and 5 touchdowns?
By the way, in that Lions game, the Cowboys Defense was on the field for 22 of Detroit's points. In this year's game, they were on the field for 51 of Denver's points.
You are like a dog chasing it's tale, trying to justify your reasoning. It's simply not gonna happen.
A Detroit game a few years ago that still harping on? LOL..
And here's something to consider: if Dallas hadn't given up 48 pts prior to Romo's INT, he could have kneeled down and run out the clock after having already thrown 5 touchdowns!
It would also help if Dallas had a half decent RB that could stay healthy for more than a month. In addition to a upgrading a secondary that plays like a sieve.
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There is no difference between the resent Denver loss and the past Detroit loss. They were both the product of Romo's bad play and clearly both on him.
You can have him.....he will never take the Cowboys deep in the playoffs.....much less win a SB. NEVER!!!
As for us Cowboy fans we are stuck with him thanks to Jerry and will just have to wait until he retires.
This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo!
Right espn is just fill of unbiased objective analysis. Those guys don't care about anything unless it drives ratings. But then when you're still so blind as to what it takes to win you'll agree with anything.
Only you could try to pin both the Det and Den losses on Romo! The D was terrible throughout the Den game, and was just pitiful in the clutch against Det. Romo played well in both games.
And please don't try to claim to know that Romo will never win a SB. One of the great things about sports is that you never know what will happen. After Elway lost 3 SBs, many said he would never win one. He proved them wrong. Some said Peyton would never win one. He did. It took him 9 seasons. Romo is in his 8th season now.
In my opinion, Romo is a great QB, probably a future HOFer, and is capable of winning the big one someday. The only thing that separates him from an elite QB is that he has not won a SB yet. But just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't. It could happen. If he never wins one, then he goes down as another Marino or Fouts, approximately. I think most Dolphins/Chargers fans greatly appreciated those two, even though they never won the big one.
To blame Romo for both the losses to Den and Det is to ignore the fact that FB is truly a team sport. Even Joe Montana never could have won a SB with a defense like that!
This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo! >>
You just went form dumb to idiocy. Most reporters, broadcasters and "experts" all say he is a great QB and a SB ring away from being a HOFer. However, I will take your fair weathered fan opinion since you know so much about 10 cent pieces of metal.
This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo! >>
You just went form dumb to idiocy. Most reporters, broadcasters and "experts" all say he is a great QB and a SB ring away from being a HOFer. However, I will take your fair weathered fan opinion since you know so much about 10 cent pieces of metal. >>
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I have zero skin in this game and learned to not even engage and post when I don't Not good at it. Did I not see though on espn ths past weekend that Sir Romo (who I hate along with the cowboys) had more yards passing in his first 100 games than anyone in history ? Please tell me that isn't true.
First - The Detroit game Romo lost was NOT this past Sunday but a few years ago. AND IT WAS ENTIRELY HIS!!
>>> Most reporters, broadcasters and "experts" all say he is a great QB and a SB ring away from being a HOFer.<<<
This is complete BULL $HIT!!! They all say like I do. He puts up good numbers......but makes bad decisions and loses games at the end!
And Bunt - It doesn't really matter on the first 100 games stat.....STATS don't win games!
And lastly ROMO should not even be mentioned in the same conversation as Marino and Fouts. He is NOT in the same league with either one.
Also, I am not a "fair weather" fan! I have always been a Cowboy fan (since 1960) and always will be! I will not defend a player just because he is a Cowboy. And that is what I would be doing if I called Romo a great QB. Because he simply is NOT!
<< <i>This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo! >>
" Today’s game marked the 100th career start for Tony Romo. He finished today’s game completing 28-of-47 (59.6%) passes for 317 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions for a 69.2 quarterback rating. Through his 100 starts, Romo completed 2,262-of-3,478 passes (65%!) for 27,485 yards and 189 touchdowns. Among quarterbacks who started their career in the Super Bowl era, Romo ranks first in completions and yards, third in touchdowns and fourth in attempts."
I wonder how many replies to this thread will be posted to it by the time the Dallas Cowboys 2013 season comes to a close?
Anyone want to give a prediction? My guess is over 300, though it could go higher if Romo performs magnificently or if he performs terribly [however you define those terms] during the remainder of the regular season and [maybe] into the playoffs.
No chance on stopping it until 85fan leaves. What goes in to that man's brain, no matter the bias or back tracking, he must spew forth here. It's like being stuck in a Twilight Zone dream episode. This CU sport talk site sucks because of this. In his world he wins.
Oh yeah, romo sucks until he wins an actual important game. Please stay here, on this CU sports talk side, and don't infest the sports card forums.
Oh yeah, romo sucks until he wins an actual important game. Please stay here, on this CU sports talk side, and don't infest the sports card forums. >>
Unlike baseball, EVERY GAME is important. Anyone trying to diminish a regular season game is doing so to try to paint Romo as a guy who can't win important games.
Bunt - I like your insight. 1985fan is a piece of work. I won't be back here unless someone spews something really stupid.
Everyone can have their own opinion of Romo......just watch him and see him work his magic at the end of crucial games.
His past speaks for itself! Like I have said before.....I hope he changes into an elite QB who can think on his feet and take the Cowboys to the SB....BUT he sure is going to have to improve on that before that happens. He has the throwing skills that's why his stats are so good.....and misleading. But good enough to fool 1985fan!
The FACTS show he has the best fourth quarter rating among active qbs and 19 4th quarter comeback drives show he's a winner. The FACT that you are unable to differentiate team concepts from an individual is proof positive you know NOTHING about football. End of story.
Dimeman keeps coming back to this thread like a moth to the flame, LOL..
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<< <i>Dimeman keeps coming back to this thread like a moth to the flame, LOL.. >>
LOL and this after he said, and I'll quote it again:
<< <i>This is my last word on Romo >>
And for dimeman, I never said Romo was better than Young. I was refuting the hilarious notion that Romo wasn't key in the fourth quarter or knew how to bring his team back from behind.
Dimeman is like a drug addict that just can't get enough...just needs one more hit...thinking that one more post extolling this mythical idea that Romo is an all time great choker will somehow cement his argument.
I find it most telling that he didn't even know that Romo set these 100 game marks until it was mentioned here. That he didn't know Romo has the best 4th quarter QB rating until it was said here. That Romo and Aikman are nearly tied in comeback drives.
The idea that dimeman is anything other than a bandwagon riding, talk radio parroting fool is preposterous. All this guys does is listen to sports radio and watch ESPN all day, and pick the most negative things anyone has to say about Romo, and run here to exclaim it over and over.
Please.......go on loving those stats that don't mean squat. Just keep watching him.....he chokes quite often!
And please don't put Romo up there with Aikman. Aikman could think at the line and did not have a history of blowing games like Romo. He instead took the Cowboys deep in the playoff and won 3 SB's.
Romo should look good this weekend against the hapless Vikings......maybe he will get some of those big stats you love soooo much!
<< <i>Please.......go on loving those stats that don't mean squat. Just keep watching him.....he chokes quite often! >>
You've given us exactly one example of his choking, and every QB has a bad day. But then, when you are fully vested in rooting AGAINST your own team's QB, you will look for every opportunity to run him into the ground. You really are something, you know that? I have never in my life seen anyone take such glee in his own team's players failures! But you get off on it! I have never seen someone look for weaknesses and flaws in their own team's players, let alone a pro bowl QB, but you really don't have a lick of sense in you.
<< <i>And please don't put Romo up there with Aikman. Aikman could think at the line and did not have a history of blowing games like Romo. He instead took the Cowboys deep in the playoff and won 3 SB's. >>
With an all time great RB, WR, and one of the best defenses in history. Before that? Aikman's record was GARBAGE.
<< <i>Romo should look good this weekend against the hapless Vikings......maybe he will get some of those big stats you love soooo much! >>
Instead of looking and hoping for failure, you should root for the guy. Good lord man...I just don't know what else there is to say. Continuing to actively root against your own QB? How in the world can you possibly call yourself a fan?
Dallas also had arguably the greatest OL in history during those Super Bowl years.
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Plus I don't remember Walter fumbling the ball and losing games.
If Romo was putting up numbers (like he is) and not turning the ball over and losing games I would be right there with you saying he is a really good QB.
BUT as I have pointed out and many others agree he has a reputation (well deserved) of making BIG mistakes at end of games and losing the game!
The Denver/Dallas is just one of many.
Check out some footage on the year following the Bear's Super Bowl triumph in '86. Playoffs at home versus the Redskins, with about 4 minutes left and trailing by 4, Payton fumbled inside the Skins 10 yard line. Redskins took it the length of the field for a touchdown and put the game out of reach. End of any possible dynasty.
But Walter wasn't know as a fumbler. Romo is known as a choker. And not just by me. If it only happened here and there and he did great the rest of the time ....... that would be one thing........but it happens WAY to often!
We are both Cowboy fans. You are satisfied with Romo........I am not. That's the bottom line I guess.
But I believe you could replace Romo with Manning (either one) or Breeze or Rodgers or Brady to name a few and the Boys would go on a winning streak.
<< <i>The biggest problem with the defense right now is injuries.....same with the O-line.
But I believe you could replace Romo with Manning (either one) or Breeze or Rodgers or Brady to name a few and the Boys would go on a winning streak. >>
Who's this Breeze character you're talking about?
Oh, you mean *Brees*? Good lord man how can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously as you absolutely refuse to spell players' names correctly? It would have taken you literally a couple of seconds to get that spelling right.
So you think Brady could come in right now and perform at a higher level than Romo has? From a guy who (I looked this up) is completing 16% of his passes from 20 yards out? As far as the others go, like was mentioned, you're talking about the three very best QBs in the league! But even with them I doubt they win more games - the offense is NOT the problem here.
<< <i>Aside from Eli Manning, you are simply naming the absolute elite QBs. That could be said for pretty much every other team in the NFL. I'm not saying that Romo is in the top 3 - 4 QB's. I'm saying that he gives Dallas a better chance of winning that nearly every other QB you did not mention. >>
But that's what dimeman has been saying the entire time. Even with his numbers, Romo is not an 'elite' quarterback. That term is reserved for the best of the best, regardless if people attempt to diminish the true meaning and make it more inclusive for players that are not worthy of it. At this point in his career, Romo has not displayed leadership qualities that elite QBs do by second nature and it was on display during the DET game.
Let's take the NFL's word that Dez's antics were with positive intentions. Based on the players' reactions on the sidelines, one could easily assume Dez was being disruptive, especially when Witten got in his face essentially said "I'm sick of his crud" with 12 seconds left in the game. Keep in mind, there was a break in the action since replay officials were reviewing Stafford's TD. Where was Romo when his top two playmakers were going at it? All by himself, looking at the field, and almost in a daydream like state. Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, et al would have taken the initiative to broker a peace because that's what elite quarterbacks do.
Others, not so much.
This debate turned the corner last night Stown. I am not arguing that Romo is Peyton, Drew, Aaron or Tom. When this entire debate got heated up was when it was suggested that Romo, with 506 yards and 5 touchdowns, blew the Denver game and not the Big D, that happened to allow Denver to score 51.
You find a time when one of these elite QB's that we've mentioned had to score more than 48 points to win a game (other than this game, obviously)
My argument all along has been the defense should have been held more to blame for the Denver game, just like the Detroit game last week.
Look at the numbers Dan Fouts put up during his career or Marino. Between the 2 of them rewriting the QB record books, they made it to a combined one Super Bowl in about 35 years --- and got creamed. Does that keep them from being considered Elite?
Dallas needs to fix their defensive problems before worrying about the QB situation.
<< <i>But that's what dimeman has been saying the entire time. Even with his numbers, Romo is not an 'elite' quarterback
This debate turned the corner last night Stown. I am not arguing that Romo is Peyton, Drew, Aaron or Tom. When this entire debate got heated up was when it was suggested that Romo, with 506 yards and 5 touchdowns, blew the Denver game and not the Big D, that happened to allow Denver to score 51.
You find a time when one of these elite QB's that we've mentioned had to score more than 48 points to win a game (other than this game, obviously)
My argument all along has been the defense should have been held more to blame for the Denver game, just like the Detroit game last week.
Look at the numbers Dan Fouts put up during his career or Marino. Between the 2 of them rewriting the QB record books, they made it to a combined one Super Bowl in about 35 years --- and got creamed. Does that keep them from being considered Elite?
Dallas needs to fix their defensive problems before worrying about the QB situation. >>
It's my fault for not making a note that you acknowledged Romo isn't an elite quarterback. I'm not saying that sarcastically, I really should have given props.
The recent surge in points are a consequence of rules being adjusted in the offense's favor and a product of this era, so we can't really use it as an accurate bar for QBs from previous generations. As for Fouts and Marino, I cannot speak for others but IMO, not having a ring doesn't hurt a QBs chances of being considered 'elite'; however, having one does help. Yes, it is a slippery slope but I'm sure you understand the overall concept.
The Cowboys do need to fix their defense but until Romo steps up and takes a leadership role, they will remain a .500 team (give or take a win). Chicken and the egg scenario but with a rare exception or two, that's what is required for a team to have a legit chance at a championship run.
THANK YOU STOWN!! I am glad someone is paying attention.
I still put the loss to Denver on Romo. Yes, the defense gave up 48 points.....so did Denver's! The game was tied and Romo had the ball and threw it away. And he, YES Romo gave them the winning FG.
The Detroit loss was definitely the defense's fault. That prevent defense on Detroit's winning drive was HORRENDOUS !!!!!
1985fan....IF YOU CAN'T GET OVER MISSPELLINGS..........GET LOST AND STAY OFF ANY THREAD I HAVE!!! PLEASE!!! YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!!
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I still put the loss to Denver on Romo. Yes, the defense gave up 48 points.....so did Denver's! The game was tied and Romo had the ball and threw it away. And he, YES Romo gave them the winning FG.
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If, after all this time, you want to put the loss on Romo despite scoring 48 points, then there's nothing in the world that is going to change your (obvious) deluded way of thinking. It's hilarious how absolutely dense and ignorant you choose to be. Instead of focusing on the defense that allowed 51 points, you want to point to one play and say that's why they lost. You, sir, are a completely lost cause. Period. The fact that you seem to take joy in deriding your pro bowl QB is even more proof how what a totally complete lunatic you are.
<< <i>The Detroit loss was definitely the defense's fault. That prevent defense on Detroit's winning drive was HORRENDOUS !!!!! >>
So this time it was the defense's fault but not when they allowed 51 points? /boggle
The score was tied......both teams gave up 48 points. Are ya still with me here!!! The ball is in Romo's hands to take the ball down the field for the winning FG. This is what an elite QB would do. But wait...instead Romo makes a bad decision and bad throw and gives the ball to Denver in FG range. They kick the winning FG. How can you put the blame on the defense!!
Any IDIOT can see that in this case the loss is a DIRECT result of the INT!!!!
<< <i>1985fan - you are the idiot that can't seem to see the reality here. First the defense gave up 48 not 51 points in the Denver game. >>
Your continued insistence that Romo allowed 3 points is comical. But sure, let's give you that point. That doesn't excuse the defense from allowing FOURTY EIGHT points. Period.
<< <i>The score was tied......both teams gave up 48 points. Are ya still with me here!!! The ball is in Romo's hands to take the ball down the field for the winning FG. This is what an elite QB would do. But wait...instead Romo makes a bad decision and bad throw and gives the ball to Denver in FG range. They kick the winning FG. How can you put the blame on the defense!! >>
Did you even watch the play? Or any of the analysis that happened after? Of course you didn't. He had a lineman pushed into him immediately before the throw, which threw off the ball. But then why would we let these little things like 'facts' or 'logic' enter into your discourse? It requires thought, something you are obviously unable or unwilling to do. The fact that you are willing to attribute an entire game's outcome to the final play/drive while at the same time ignoring Romo's exemplary fourth quarter statistics is mind numbing.
<< <i>Any IDIOT can see that in this case the loss is a DIRECT result of the INT!!!! >>
No, anyone can see this loss was a direct case of a defense that was clearly overmatched in every aspect of the game, and allowed 51 points to be scored. Period. Since you are completely unable to grasp this concept, this will be my last reply to you. Maybe at some point in the future you will grasp the fundamentals of the game. Until then? Keep rooting for your OWN TEAM'S FAILURES, as you obviously LOVE to do it.
Dallas Cowboys at 2:39
1st and 10 at DAL 20 (Shotgun) T.Romo sacked at DAL 14 for -6 yards (S.Phillips).
2nd and 16 at DAL 14 (Shotgun) T.Romo pass short right intended for G.Escobar INTERCEPTED by D.Trevathan at DAL 24. D.Trevathan to DAL 24 for no gain (G.Escobar).
DRIVE TOTALS: DEN 48, DAL 48, 1 plays, -6 yards, 0:42 elapsed
Denver Broncos at 1:57
1st and 10 at DAL 24 (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short left to D.Thomas to DAL 11 for 13 yards (B.Carr).
Timeout #1 by DAL at 01:49.
1st and 10 at DAL 11 (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DAL 10 for 1 yard (D.Ware).
Timeout #2 by DAL at 01:45.
2nd and 9 at DAL 10 (Shotgun) P.Manning pass short right to J.Thomas pushed ob at DAL 2 for 8 yards (J.Wilcox).
3rd and 1 at DAL 2 (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DAL 1 for 1 yard (S.Lee; J.Wilcox).
Timeout #3 by DAL at 01:35.
1st and 1 at DAL 1 P.Manning left end to DAL 5 for -4 yards (D.Ware).
2nd and 5 at DAL 5 P.Manning kneels to DAL 6 for -1 yards.
3rd and 6 at DAL 6 P.Manning kneels to DAL 10 for -4 yards.
Timeout #1 by DEN at 00:02.
4th and 10 at DAL 10 (Field Goal formation) M.Prater 28 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-A.Brewer, Holder-B.Colquitt.
DRIVE TOTALS: DEN 51, DAL 48, 8 plays, 14 yards, 1:57 elapsed
End of Game
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1985fan- you are the one that is clueless. At 2:39 to go in the 4th tied at 48....It's a new game...square 1. Both teams have scored 48 and given up 48. Non of that matters at this point.
Dallas has the ball to either go down the field for a score and win or run the clock out and go to OT.
But NO.....Romo tries a pass that he should have eaten and gone to the next play which results in the winning FG for the other team!
This is the difference between an elite QB and one that is not!
Do you think that if the tables were turned and Denver had the ball to go down the field.....would Manning throw a INT to give Dallas the winning FG!!!
I THINK NOT!!!!!
Come on DIMEMAN, I thought we worked our way to a happy medium with an understanding of what events took place.
If you dont think the defense gave up 51 points, do you also not think that Denver's defense gave up 48, since Manning through an interception earlier that led to a Cowboy's score?
As soon as you begin to make a semi sane comment, you follow it up with something that makes me wonder if you're talking about football or some other sport entirely.
Check any NFL record book, end of year stats, anything at all and show me where the points dont count against the defense's statistics, if the score happened after a QB threw an interception.
I'm trying to give you any benefit of the doubt, but you just make it impossible.
he is most certainly better than 2/3 of the starting QBs in the NFL right now, and is not the reason the Cowboys are struggling right now.
Grote15 summed up my feelings exactly with this comment.
AND when the turnover puts them in FG position. Surely you can see the difference between the two.
With the score tied and the way it ended.....the Denver loss was clearly Romo's fault. I have never said that all of the Cowboys losses are on Romo......but he is known to choke at end of games and does cost the Cowboys games. This is known by all announcer's and football anyalist's and coaches alike! It's not just me folks.
You probably don't blame Romo for the loss against Detroit several years ago. Where Dallas had a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter and Romo throws 3 INT'S that leads to scores and they lose the game.......WELL THAT LOSS IS HIS TOO!
And the list on Romo's lack of judgement and playing like a High School QB could go on and on!
And saying he is better than 2/3 of the NFL QB's is a real stretch. It's closer to the other way around. Stat wise he is probably still in the top 10 ...... even after that stellar game against Detroit Sunday.
And NO he is not the only problem in Dallas. The biggest problem the owner Jerry "the jerk" Jones followed closely by our inept coach Garrett. But we will never get a top head coach as long as Jerry owns the team.....and that could be a long long time!
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I bow to you....and acknowledge Romo as the greatest QB ever!
<< <i>grote15 - looks like you and 1985fan are right and the rest of us are wrong!
I bow to you....and acknowledge Romo as the greatest QB ever! >>
Many people here think you are overreacting here with your criticism of Romo but in true tunnel vision form you don't even realize it. Lightningboy tried reasoning with you but gave up as it was apparently a futile effort.
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Come on man it's not just me....don't you think any of the football people know what they are talking about.
Romo just doesn't have what it takes.......he has trouble playing with his hands around his throat!
See DIMEMAN, these are the kinds of accusations that seem to illogically flow through your fingers.
You dont think that I or you, for that matter, should see a difference in a game where he throws 3 interceptions, including 2 pick 6's versus a game where he throws 1 interception along with 500+ yards and 5 touchdowns?
By the way, in that Lions game, the Cowboys Defense was on the field for 22 of Detroit's points. In this year's game, they were on the field for 51 of Denver's points.
You are like a dog chasing it's tale, trying to justify your reasoning. It's simply not gonna happen.
And here's something to consider: if Dallas hadn't given up 48 pts prior to Romo's INT, he could have kneeled down and run out the clock after having already thrown 5 touchdowns!
It would also help if Dallas had a half decent RB that could stay healthy for more than a month. In addition to a upgrading a secondary that plays like a sieve.
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You can have him.....he will never take the Cowboys deep in the playoffs.....much less win a SB. NEVER!!!
As for us Cowboy fans we are stuck with him thanks to Jerry and will just have to wait until he retires.
This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo!
Only you could try to pin both the Det and Den losses on Romo! The D was terrible throughout the Den game, and was just pitiful in the clutch against Det.
Romo played well in both games.
And please don't try to claim to know that Romo will never win a SB. One of the great things about sports is that you never know what will happen.
After Elway lost 3 SBs, many said he would never win one. He proved them wrong. Some said Peyton would never win one. He did. It took him 9 seasons.
Romo is in his 8th season now.
In my opinion, Romo is a great QB, probably a future HOFer, and is capable of winning the big one someday. The only thing that separates him from an elite QB is that he has not won a SB yet. But just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't. It could happen. If he never wins one, then he goes down as another Marino or Fouts, approximately. I think most Dolphins/Chargers fans greatly appreciated those two, even though they never won the big one.
To blame Romo for both the losses to Den and Det is to ignore the fact that FB is truly a team sport. Even Joe Montana never could have won a SB with a defense like that!
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This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo!
You just went form dumb to idiocy. Most reporters, broadcasters and "experts" all say he is a great QB and a SB ring away from being a HOFer. However, I will take your fair weathered fan opinion since you know so much about 10 cent pieces of metal.
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As for us Cowboy fans we are stuck with him thanks to Jerry and will just have to wait until he retires.
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Man it sure must suck having a pro bowl caliber QB in a league in which that is mandatory to compete.
Signed,
60% of the league
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This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo!
You just went form dumb to idiocy. Most reporters, broadcasters and "experts" all say he is a great QB and a SB ring away from being a HOFer. However, I will take your fair weathered fan opinion since you know so much about 10 cent pieces of metal. >>
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First - The Detroit game Romo lost was NOT this past Sunday but a few years ago. AND IT WAS ENTIRELY HIS!!
>>> Most reporters, broadcasters and "experts" all say he is a great QB and a SB ring away from being a HOFer.<<<
This is complete BULL $HIT!!! They all say like I do. He puts up good numbers......but makes bad decisions and loses games at the end!
And Bunt - It doesn't really matter on the first 100 games stat.....STATS don't win games!
And lastly ROMO should not even be mentioned in the same conversation as Marino and Fouts. He is NOT in the same league with either one.
Also, I am not a "fair weather" fan! I have always been a Cowboy fan (since 1960) and always will be! I will not defend a player just because he is a Cowboy. And that is what I would be doing if I called Romo a great QB. Because he simply is NOT!
<< <i>This is my last word on Romo.....pay attention to Sports Center and the pregame shows when they talk about Romo! >>
" Today’s game marked the 100th career start for Tony Romo. He finished today’s game completing 28-of-47 (59.6%) passes for 317 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions for a 69.2 quarterback rating. Through his 100 starts, Romo completed 2,262-of-3,478 passes (65%!) for 27,485 yards and 189 touchdowns. Among quarterbacks who started their career in the Super Bowl era, Romo ranks first in completions and yards, third in touchdowns and fourth in attempts."
Anyone want to give a prediction? My guess is over 300, though it could go higher if Romo performs magnificently or if he performs terribly [however you define those terms] during the remainder of the regular season and [maybe] into the playoffs.
Oh yeah, romo sucks until he wins an actual important game. Please stay here, on this CU sports talk side, and don't infest the sports card forums.
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Oh yeah, romo sucks until he wins an actual important game. Please stay here, on this CU sports talk side, and don't infest the sports card forums. >>
Unlike baseball, EVERY GAME is important. Anyone trying to diminish a regular season game is doing so to try to paint Romo as a guy who can't win important games.
Everyone can have their own opinion of Romo......just watch him and see him work his magic at the end of crucial games.
His past speaks for itself!
So Romo is way better than Steve Young right! What an IDIOT!!!!
That's the end of story!
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<< <i>Dimeman keeps coming back to this thread like a moth to the flame, LOL.. >>
LOL and this after he said, and I'll quote it again:
<< <i>This is my last word on Romo >>
And for dimeman, I never said Romo was better than Young. I was refuting the hilarious notion that Romo wasn't key in the fourth quarter or knew how to bring his team back from behind.
Oh wait.....it's not blowing games and winning the big games that makes Young an elite QB and Romo a also ran!!
You know if there was a list of blown games by a QB....Romo would head that list by leaps and bounds!!!!!
I find it most telling that he didn't even know that Romo set these 100 game marks until it was mentioned here. That he didn't know Romo has the best 4th quarter QB rating until it was said here. That Romo and Aikman are nearly tied in comeback drives.
The idea that dimeman is anything other than a bandwagon riding, talk radio parroting fool is preposterous. All this guys does is listen to sports radio and watch ESPN all day, and pick the most negative things anyone has to say about Romo, and run here to exclaim it over and over.
And please don't put Romo up there with Aikman. Aikman could think at the line and did not have a history of blowing games like Romo. He instead took the Cowboys deep in the playoff and won 3 SB's.
Romo should look good this weekend against the hapless Vikings......maybe he will get some of those big stats you love soooo much!
<< <i>Please.......go on loving those stats that don't mean squat. Just keep watching him.....he chokes quite often! >>
You've given us exactly one example of his choking, and every QB has a bad day. But then, when you are fully vested in rooting AGAINST your own team's QB, you will look for every opportunity to run him into the ground. You really are something, you know that? I have never in my life seen anyone take such glee in his own team's players failures! But you get off on it! I have never seen someone look for weaknesses and flaws in their own team's players, let alone a pro bowl QB, but you really don't have a lick of sense in you.
<< <i>And please don't put Romo up there with Aikman. Aikman could think at the line and did not have a history of blowing games like Romo. He instead took the Cowboys deep in the playoff and won 3 SB's. >>
With an all time great RB, WR, and one of the best defenses in history. Before that? Aikman's record was GARBAGE.
<< <i>Romo should look good this weekend against the hapless Vikings......maybe he will get some of those big stats you love soooo much! >>
Instead of looking and hoping for failure, you should root for the guy. Good lord man...I just don't know what else there is to say. Continuing to actively root against your own QB? How in the world can you possibly call yourself a fan?
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