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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Dave,

    Thanks for posting your Half on this thread. I have not discussed your
    coin with anyone, yet. I am still of,the belief that there is too much going
    on with the reverse of that coin for it to be just shelf doubling. Maybe I am
    all wet, but it still looks like a type of double die. Granted, the shift is not as
    great as I have seen on other DDR's. However, most DDR's so faint, you can
    barely see the doubling. The 1893 TDR Half comes to mind immediately.

    In my minds' eye, I have ruled out double struck in collar, as the central devices
    are not in the least bit doubled.

    Looking forward to Darryl and Glenn's input.

    Scott,

    Sweet Quarters. The 07-S and 08-S are very tough to locate. I'm still searching
    for a nice AU 1907-S myself.

    A good friend sent me an email today that he has finished his MS set of Barber Halves and
    is now about to embark on a VF / XF set for his son. He and I will be roaming the show tomorrow
    and where I am using Holsonbake's as home base, I am sure he'll be finding a few choice coins.
    He has asked if I am ready to flip my set, but many of my coins are above the grade he wants and
    he has a dollar limit per coin. As you realize, many of these coins have skyrocketed in price and if I
    start butchering up my set, I'll be in the same boat you were in. I am just not ready to sell that set.
    I've mulled it over, but am not ready to pull the trigger.

    See you on the bourse floor at one show or another.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dave - Welcome to the barber mega thread. I really like the look of your 07-O half, but my opinion is it's machine doubling. But I'm certain from our Indian Cent background, you know varieties way better than I do. I look forward to pics of more of your barbers.

    Scott - Nice looking tough dates. I agree with Patches, 25 seems reasonable for all 3. And your pics are good, I'd say as good as mine.

    Mike - Good luck at the show.

    Pics for this AM, a newp for me for my raw set, thanks again Scott:

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    And the last of my pics of Scott's raw purchases from Tyler:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • SAM5969SAM5969 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭
    Gentlemen and ladies...

    Just to quell the curiosity of any cats that may possess any, regarding the three coins I posted yesterday.. Grades are as follows

    1907-S - raw.. I also agree 25 being the correct grade
    1908-S NGC30- I believe 25 is also more accurate for this coin although it's pure originality may have boosted it.. Easily the most attractive of the three coins in my opinion. Flame away for my hypocrisy about originality image... Seriously though - if I had to go onto a thin limb and I had to make a black-and-white choice original or not I actually would take original on this one. All we can do is look for signs to disprove originality; and I find none with this coin.
    1897-0 - PCGS F-15 - I believe this is a borderline F/VF. It is very attractive with that two toned circulated look. I prefer the conservative grade and although it technically will fall below the criteria of my minimum VF grade for my album, apparently most even astute collectors would not object or know the difference based on the guesses

    Btw Vern - that 06 sure does look swell (Jerry Mathers)
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  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scott - F15 is pretty tight on the 97-O, nice find. Eddie used to kill me, "You're cracking me up, Sam".

    Pics for this AM, newp (Central States) into Doug's collection, PC58:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    That sure is a beautiful coin, the Central States was a real nice show. I couldn't find much in the way of XF halves until the last day and found a 1900 S in PCGS-45, I searched for two days and only found one coin in any slab under MS and over VF.
    I am looking forward to the ANA show next month in Chicago, I understand there will be a BCCS meeting there, I hope to meet some of the members and hopefully pick up a nice XF Barber Half. Vern, are you planning on the ANA show?
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dave - I will be ANA and barber coin collector's society meeting, which is Wed morning at 9. BCCS will also share a table on Thurs and Fri. A good place to meet and see some interesting coins. It will be fun.

    Pics for this AM, a Doug newp, just the right look IMO, NGC55:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    Here's my newest acquisition I'm excited about. A PCGS VF20 CAC Green Sticker 1897-S Barber Quarter with a centered mint mark:

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    I had a VF-35 in My Barber Quarter Set, but this coin is much tougher...so I don't mind replacing it and losing a few points. Thanks to Harry Laibstain for working a trade for a bunch of odds and ends I had laying around.

    -Steve
  • SAM5969SAM5969 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin Steve... Congrats for sure

    Well boys - mystery solved !! We now know where it went !
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Steve... WOW... an 1897-S Center MM... Tough tough coin !!

    The Summer FUN show had it's moments. Used Glenn's table as home base,
    and was met by a YN who bought all of the modern coins I brought to sell.
    He flipped them within a few minutes and made a couple of Hundred for him
    self. Didn't bother me one bit, as it saved me countless hours pawning this
    stuff off.

    I stopped by Jason Flowers' table with Dave Wollinka ... Then went to Ben Todd's
    table ( Sarasota Rare Coins )... Over to another dealer who had a few drop dead
    Barber Quarters in XF 45 and I spotted a beauty for Dave and he snapped it up.

    Another couple of dealers, Sergio Sanchez , had an array of Barber material ... All great
    stuff.. Nothing I was searching for though. Then, I went over to see another dealer
    who had a small but SPECTACULAR group of Barber Quarters ( amoungst
    some type coins that would be the highlights in any one's cabinet). The dealer of
    which I speak is Vince Santostefano from Gainesville, FL. Two of the four or five
    Barber Quarters in his case: 1901-S NGC 67 - Blazing white - fresh as the day it was
    made - and a 1913-S also in NGC 67+ and even the flash of the luster was almost
    blinding. If I had a quarter of a million sitting around doing nothing, those two would
    have come home with me.

    I ended up getting an old Half of mine back: 1898 PCGS 65 ... Pleased to bring her back.
    I also got an upgrade for my Dime set, an 1898-O in PCGS 58 ... and a duplicate Quarter,
    a 1913-D in PCGS 58. No images yet. May be some time, LOL.

    Thanks, Walkerguy21D for Sergio's last name.

    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Patches - Congrats on the 97-S CMM pick-up from Harry.

    Mike - Thanks for the show report and congrats on the purchases.

    Pics for this AM, recent 97-S newp by Doug, PC15:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Mike,
    sounds like you had a great time at the show, I plan to make the 2015 FUN, my brother works for Animal kingdom and lives in Astatula, I promised him I would come down this January. I sure would like to see a pick of the 1898 half you bought back, sounds like you went there with a plan makes it easier to find the good stuff that way. We have a local coin club show in St.louis this coming week, 180 tables hope to have a pic or two to post.

    Vern, it's only 4 or 5 hr's drive for you and 180 tables at the St. Charles Convention Center 17th, 18th, and 19th.
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A couple of new purchases; first a 1896 50C raw:

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    It looks like a 53 to me, but the black spots on the obverse concern me a bit. I plan on submitting it to PCGS; any thoughts on what the dark spots are and how/ if they will effect the grading?

    Next up, a 1893 O 50C graded AU 58 by NGC:

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    I plan on submitting it to PCGS to see if it will cross. It has the right luster and detail for a 58, but the face has a few small hits. Thoughts on the odds of making it?
    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff...that 96 will get bagged for environmental damage and the cheek is a bit to scuffy to cross on the 93-O IMO.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Jeff...that 96 will get bagged for environmental damage and the cheek is a bit to scuffy to cross on the 93-O IMO. >>



    Agree with Darrell 100%.

    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • JMWJMW Posts: 497
    Congratulations Mike on the 1898-O dime in 58, a tough coin to find. Looking forward to seeing a picture.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh man, nice 97S quarters posted, guys. I saw one at Summer FUN, a scrubbed and polished raw slider priced at $1100 - LOL.

    Mike - sorry I never got a chance to say more than Hi at the show....you were tied up, or on the floor every other time I went by your table, and I only attended on Thur. Glad you found a few things - I wasn't quite so lucky - though I did well selling some items.
    Was that Sergio Sanchez from Miami (I think) you were talking about? I believe he formerly did gold and currency, and has changed his inventory
    over into spectacular type coins within the past few years.



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  • Labelman87Labelman87 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭✭
    MFH wanted to have his half "dance" with this: image


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    Craig


  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Ah, my old Quarter. Still as beautiful as I remember it.
    I missed her so much, I went out and bought a beautiful
    lower graded one.

    Joe,

    In January come down from FUN with the Mrs. and stay
    for a few days. You'll get to play with the puppies and see
    the newps from the past year !!

    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dave - Probably would come to St. Louis show, but as ANA is so close this year, will wait for it.

    Jeff - You'll need to get those spots off the obv of your '96 for a chance of it grading. Both PCGS and NGC have "conservation" services available, but I can't say from experience how well that works out.
    I will guess 1 chance in 3 that your 93-O will cross.

    Craig - Love your '98 qtr.

    Pics for this AM, newp from small show yesterday, PC63:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Vern, aside from the cheek disturbance, that is a really choice coin,
    faint ticks (barely noticeable on the reverse ) all the stars are brought
    up well and most importantly, the reverse Corn Husks are well defined !

    Very attractive coin, ya done good, boy !

    This St. Louis show I just heard about, this isn't a Central States show, is it ?
    I thought we just has a Central States show a month or two ago... So, it has
    to be a local show that has good attendance, especially if Scotsman is holding
    an auction. ( Guess I should check that auction out !! )
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Mike ,
    it's the Missouri Numismatic Society 54th annual coin show, 180 tables. I didn't know if the BCCS had brochures to place out on the tables or not, I plan to bring along some Fly-In club brochures to give out.
    The show is a real nice one at the St. Charles convention center, Scotsman always has a presence there, I sure hope to find a nice PCGS XF Barber half and a few raw ones this time.
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    I thought I'd try posting a pic, I was wanting to cross this NGC XF-45 but it will probably be bagged as environmental damage. It's a real nice coin in hand, the toning on the top reverse would probably keep it from crossing. I guess it might also be a little too scuffed up.



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  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    Daveyn - You never know how the results of a cross will turn out, but PCGS wouldn't put an NGC coin in a details holder unless you specifically asked them to cross at any grade. If you really wanted to try to get it into PC plastic you could specify the minimum grade you'd be willing to cross to.

    Patches - Congrats on the great pickup.

    Been some time since my last post as Ive travelled a bit and otherwise been working a ton. Have been keeping up with this thread as always and as usual some awesome coins to look at. Here's one of my few recent new purchases. From the Stacks' Baltimore auction. Had a chance to look at it at the Baltimore show and was really happy to win this one. PC 53. Obverse color is a bit more vibrant than my pics allow….

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    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike - I see what you mean about the cheek, and interestingly enough, it's just the way the toneing looks in the pic. The coin itself has a pretty mark free cheek. I couldn't seem to get the lighting right to show the cheek as it really is. My only negative about the coin for a 63 was the reverse weakness at "unum". The "orange-peal" fields must have been from have come from a die issue.

    Dave - I agree with JT, you never know what our hosts will do.

    JT - good looking toughie newp. Nice to see you back.

    Pics for this AM, for the half lovers, a recent raw newp by Doug, now PC35:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Thanks Guys,
    I appreciate the opinions. I guess the last time I submitted a coin for grading was back in 2001 when I joined this site. I really like this coin, have to check the pricing info, I'm sure that has changed quite a bit since 2001.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice half, Doug.
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Doug,
    I agree that is a real nice half. I hope to pick up a few raw VF's this Thursday at a show, I always worry about the raw coins, so many things being done to them lately. I remember last year looking at a dark toned half, I questioned the color right away then noticed the dealer had about 30 of them that looked exactly the same, walked away from that one pretty quick.
  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Justin and Dave. Halves aren't my favorite but the price was too good to pass on.

    Doug
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dave - If you find halves that look like Doug's 08-O above, whether raw or slabbed, you can't go wrong.

    Pics for this AM, one of Doug's extras that has rejoined my collection, PC50:

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    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pics for this AM, another newp for me, courtesy of Doug, PC58:

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    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vern, Congrats on the two newps from Iowa!
    More coins, less government.
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭

    Vern,That sure is a beautiful coin, just pick that one up? I just got back from the Missouri Numismatic Show, I found an XF half with a bluish purple color to it, it really looks nice in hand. I do have a question for all that are well versed on PCGS grading. I found a real beautiful 1904 AU50, just about had the money out of my wallet when I notice a spot of red between the L and I of Liberty. There was a spot about the size of a pin head, but when I looked at it with my 20x I could see it was a piece of red felt in side the slab. Would there have been a charge to have that coin done over, I can really kick myself for not buying it.



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  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paesan - Thanks.

    Dave - Thanks, and congrats on the new '03. Also, I think PCGS would reholder the '04 with the felt residue inside for free.

    Pics for this AM, one of Doug's favorites, a purchase from long ago, now PC45:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Knowing how difficult it really is, locating a choice 1898-S,
    I might not have looked any further for another after having
    secured that beauty !

    Nice coin, Doug. Very nice !!

    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • Labelman87Labelman87 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭✭
    Two points on the 1898-S

    Doug, it's a terrific coin for the grade (or any grade)
    Vern, it's a terrific image

    ...And I don't throw praise around lightly ...LOL
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    Craig


  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree. Beautiful 98-S, surely one of the nicest ones around.
    More coins, less government.
  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Mike, Craig, and Lenny! I like it so much that I had to keep it when I sold off my first barber quarter set in 1999.

    Doug
  • daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Not too familiar with the quarters yet, but it doesn't take much knowledge to recognize how nice that coin really is. Vern, the pics are real nice, helps one learn what to look for in future purchases. I've been mostly a copper collector, just learning the ropes when it comes to silver coins.
    Great stuff.



  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doug, Can't figure out why that 98-S isn't AU. Then again, I'm an amateur grader.

    Paesan.
    More coins, less government.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paesan - No reason, just happened to be their opinion that day.

    Pics for this AM, another from Doug's collection, PC50:

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    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I need advice!!image

    I bought this raw 1897 O Barber Half at eBay for a reasonable price; now I need to decide what to do with it

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    It's likely a VF 25 or so by details, but the question is will it grade? Three concerns:
      1
    Is it cleaned? There are no visible hairlines, but the toning is a bit iridescent when tilted in light.
      2
    There are dings at the base of the "R" in TRUST, between the 9 and 7 of the date, and by the star next to the hair ribbon.
      3
    There are a few rim dings.

    My brain is going both ways on this one. The decision- send it in for grading or return it? HELP!

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    The digs on the obverse at 11 o'clock rim, 5:30 date and the scratch on the reverse rim at 4 o'clock will keep it from grading in my opinion. I'd say without those it would grade VF30 at PCGS. Should look great in an album. If bought at the right price, nice pickup on a very tough date image
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Jeff - You'll need to get those spots off the obv of your '96 for a chance of it grading. Both PCGS and NGC have "conservation" services available, but I can't say from experience how well that works out. >>



    Great advice- I have little to loose and a lot to gain. On it's way! If they really can't conserve it will they send it in for grading anyway, or just body bag/ return it?
    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • SAM5969SAM5969 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭
    Hair lines are only 1 sign of improper cleaning .. many improperly cleaned coins have no major hairlines .. I suspect you've seen enough natural looking coins to know .

    Coin collecting is like poker - the amateur finds reasons to play the starting hand while the pro finds reasons to fold image

    Nice 1898-S Quarter Doug - the grade means little to me .. I prefer the conservative grade if I have to put a grade on the grade .. Great look ..

    EDIT:
    FWIW I find the 98-S to be a bit over hyped in terms of general availability in all grades up to slider unc. I do agree finding eye appealing ones is a challenge though - the general population of availability is plentiful though .. Just like the 99-S image "AU58" and MS coins are definitely scarcer and eye appealing ones even more so .. I am not going down that tangent of what is rare and what is under or over rated though - that horse has been ridden all the way to the glue factory
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  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Should look great in an album. If bought at the right price, >>



    It's amazing how good judgment can be tainted by wishful thinking.

    Who knows what the right price is for one of these that won't grade? If it did grade VF 25- 30 I expect it would be worth north of $1,600- I paid half that. Unfortunately I'm not looking for an album coin. I better start addressing the return envelope......image
    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • SAM5969SAM5969 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If it did grade VF 25- 30 I expect it would be worth north of $1,600- >>



    I must have shorted myself .. I sold my XF40 for $1600 back in December. I bought it for $1550 in an ANACS 40 holder from Teaparty in 2010 or 2011 .. crossed on the first time with a large submission Liz sent in for me back when I converted my Dansco Barber Half Album to slabbed

    Good luck either way Jeff .. FWIW, the coin definitely looks messed with IMO but that opinion is based strictly on that image which means very little as I put litle credence into judging quality or grade of coins from images .. Follow your gut

    Edit Spelling - Siri gets an "F" in English .. Must be a 2nd language for her image

    2nd Edit: My next post is 1000 .. Maybe I wil do a giveaway .. How about this as a giveaway:
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  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the sound advice. Yes, I really do think I know better but I really want to upgrade my '97 O.

    I think I must have beer goggles on.
    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Scott... Congrats on 1,000 posts. Don't go off the deep end now. We might have
    to hold you to your 1,000 Post Give Away.

    A few friends have mentioned that my 10,000th post give away is coming up soon.
    They are expecting the Moon. It certainly won't be anything near as nice as an 1898-S
    Quarter in MS !!

    I don't think I need to heap on Jeff's 1897-O Half. I check for that date Every Day
    and there hasn't been an XF/AU available in ages. Again, it's one of three dates I am looking
    to upgrade in my Half set.

    Vern... Two nice pick ups from Doug.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭
    Lenny,

    I was hoping for AU50 when I submitted the 98-S a few years ago, but it doesn't really matter.

    Doug
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That 1898 quarter is fantastic!

    You guys have me loosely following this thread now......... it's a sickness I tell you.

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