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  • My son is psyched. He loves that Koufax card. :-). He's pulling some cards and we will get them up in a few minutes...since its almost bed time. :-)
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>My son is psyched. He loves that Koufax card. :-). He's pulling some cards and we will get them up in a few minutes...since its almost bed time. :-) >>



    I would have been all over that lot if I could have. Great lot and a great way to keep the thread alive....
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  • Ok, he hopes these will keep it going! This is what he pulled.

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  • Anyone? Please let me know if I should try to have him find different stuff.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    fmaz, I think you might need to enhance that lot a bit, imo..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Anyone? Please let me know if I should try to have him find different stuff. >>


    PM sent. Remember, the value of the cards you are paying forward should be at least the value of the cards you took.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • Ok, thanks. That's why we asked. My son will go into his book and find something better. Sorry to slow this down.
  • How's this?

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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    PM sent again.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • goraidersgoraiders Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭

    Where we at with this??Somebodys gotta have some fb to offer up so
    I can Pay it forward!
    J.R.
    Needs'
    1972 Football-9's high#'s
    1965 Football-8's
    1958 Topps FB-7-8
  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭
    I count 5 HOFer cards in this lot, plus the Dodgers card with Koufax, Campy, Drysdale, etc. No one wants these free cards?
    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • Yanksfan1976Yanksfan1976 Posts: 231 ✭✭
    Just received my lot from MyDaughtersNameIsMattingly, Awesome cards and part of Yankees Stadium. THANKS

    So what happened to this thread....Did it go the way of the dinosaurs?
  • Ok, my son is trying again... added a 1959 Aparico to it.... hope someone jumps on it.

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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    FMAZ ... I just sent you another PM.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • CollectorAtWorkCollectorAtWork Posts: 859 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I count 5 HOFer cards in this lot, plus the Dodgers card with Koufax, Campy, Drysdale, etc. No one wants these free cards? >>



    I think the issue is that BasherBoy offered such an awesome lot that this one pales in comparison.
  • tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭✭
    I would agree
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,691 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I count 5 HOFer cards in this lot, plus the Dodgers card with Koufax, Campy, Drysdale, etc. No one wants these free cards? >>



    I think the issue is that BasherBoy offered such an awesome lot that this one pales in comparison. >>



    +1. The retail value of this lot is far less than the previous one. If this is going to work, the person
    accepting a particular lot should be prepared to offer a lot of at least similar retail value.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • CollectorAtWorkCollectorAtWork Posts: 859 ✭✭✭
    Maybe a new rule needs to be added where the previous lot shouldn't ship until someone has accepted the new lot.
  • cwazzycwazzy Posts: 3,257
    I know I haven't participated in this yet but I would like to recommend a minimum dollar amount for the lots. The current rule is a lot equal to or more than the lot accepted. That's great at the beginning but as it gets further along and the lots get progressively more expensive it's going to be tough to find someone that would be willing to put up cards. If it is say a $30 minimum I think it is a little easier to come up with a lot that works. If someone wants to go over that it is up to them. But the following person's target should still be the $30.

    Just a thought.
    Chris
    My small collection
    Want List:
    '61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
    Cardinal T206 cards
    Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
  • tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭✭
    Stated in opening post...

    " In turn, that person MUST offer a card(s) of equal value free to the next taker by posting them on this thread, and so on, and so on..."

    The lot being offered is NOT even close!
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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Chris ... good thought but I think there are enough people on these boards who have collections that can support a lot higher than a $30.00 trade. (See my sign line and you KNOW that I am no longer one of the guys with the nicer collections, but could still come up with something decent to pay forward.) And remember, it's a TRADE, so you are getting back close to what you are giving up.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭✭
    If he does not pony up more cards is that it?
  • cwazzycwazzy Posts: 3,257


    << <i>Chris ... good thought but I think there are enough people on these boards who have collections that can support a lot higher than a $30.00 trade. (See my sign line and you KNOW that I am no longer one of the guys with the nicer collections, but could still come up with something decent to pay forward.) And remember, it's a TRADE, so you are getting back close to what you are giving up. >>



    $30 was just a random number. I know there are a lot of guys that could go much higher and if that's great. I just think that eventually you're going to have a thread with great intentions that most collectors can't afford. If you start out with a lot that is worth $30, then $35, then $50, etc. That's where a baseline would be nice. It's just a thought and it's not my thread so if that's not what the OP wants to do then so be it. No worries either way. image
    Chris
    My small collection
    Want List:
    '61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
    Cardinal T206 cards
    Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭
    As the OP and writer of said rules, I can agree with what some of you are saying. But at the same time (as someone else stated), if we keep increasing in value everytime, very few people will be able to play. This was started with a '91 Score and an OC '75 Topps mini. I'm not trying to turn a paperclip into a house here. I think if everyone offers a QUALITY lot, then we should all be happy.

    If I take a '82 Goose Gossage and feel like offering a '56 Mantle as my pay it forward, then that is my choice. I can't expect the next person to do that as well. As long as people aren't trying to get something for nothing (or cleaning out their junk drawer of '90 Fleer), then I'm okay with it. The previous lot with the '61 Aaron was VERY nice. However, the lot offered now would've been considered really good too if it hadn't been for the lot before it.

    Thoughts?

    I appreciate everyone's opinion and keeping it respectful. image
    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    For the most part this has been a great thread to follow. From the start, it was a simple concept and should have been pretty easy for people to understand.

    While I most likely won't be participating, it seems that setting a minimum value on what is offered isn't the right approach. I have to believe there are collectors here who would love to play along, but won't for fear that their cards won't be seen as good enough or that they might be ridiculed or flamed for offering up lower-value lots. I don't know that it sends the right message that some sort of yardstick will be brought out to see if the lot offered measures up to the last lot that was claimed.

  • BasherBoyBasherBoy Posts: 510 ✭✭
    sorry if I jacked things up. I'm kind of a lower budget collector myself. I just was very excited about the lot I claimed, and wanted to be sure I gave as good as I got. I wasn't consciously trying to raise the value, I just wanted to throw something out there that somebody would like and maybe perk up the thread. That didn't work out so well it seems. Would love if we can get this figured out and get the thread rolling again. I love the idea of it.
    Need PSA Indians/Browns
  • CollectorAtWorkCollectorAtWork Posts: 859 ✭✭✭
    I think in this case, the previous "winner" should just take the Koufax since that seems to be the card he and his son really want. Then he should take the rest of the cards in that lot and add that to his current offer, and I think that would work. Since multiple cards are usually being offered each time, this might be a good way going forward to break the lot value down to where everyone can still participate and not have to come up with a bunch of huge new cards.
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As the OP and writer of said rules, I can agree with what some of you are saying. But at the same time (as someone else stated), if we keep increasing in value everytime, very few people will be able to play. This was started with a '91 Score and an OC '75 Topps mini. I'm not trying to turn a paperclip into a house here. I think if everyone offers a QUALITY lot, then we should all be happy.

    If I take a '82 Goose Gossage and feel like offering a '56 Mantle as my pay it forward, then that is my choice. I can't expect the next person to do that as well. As long as people aren't trying to get something for nothing (or cleaning out their junk drawer of '90 Fleer), then I'm okay with it. The previous lot with the '61 Aaron was VERY nice. However, the lot offered now would've been considered really good too if it hadn't been for the lot before it.

    Thoughts?

    I appreciate everyone's opinion and keeping it respectful. image >>



    I like my 91 Score and OC '75 Topps mini image


    I like this idea a lot. But I was also starting to see this as one I wouldn't be able to continue to participate in for much longer as the value got higher and higher if each person was going to try and out do the last guy. And like Chris said, it would start leaving people out that would like to participate. I really hope we aren't trying to achieve a 52 Mantle by the end of this. I believe this thread can go on for years if we all play nicely
  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think in this case, the previous "winner" should just take the Koufax since that seems to be the card he and his son really want. Then he should take the rest of the cards in that lot and add that to his current offer, and I think that would work. Since multiple cards are usually being offered each time, this might be a good way going forward to break the lot value down to where everyone can still participate and not have to come up with a bunch of huge new cards. >>



    I do not agree with this as I think it does against the spirit of the thread. This shouldn't be a "price of cards" thread but rather "cards of value". Value can be different to different people. A mint Jaromir Jagr RC has no value to me. However, a beat to death '61 Warren Spahn does.

    In light of these events, I have slightly revised the rules:

    "In turn, that person MUST offer a card(s) free to the next taker by posting them on this thread, and so on, and so on... While it does not have to be of exact equal value of what you took, please offer quality cards that someone can appreciate."

    Thanks.
    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    may I intertwine?

    unless I am missing something we have a father and son excited about what they won, and apparently did not pony up enough on their "next" lot. Is that about it?

    If so, I will take their lot. It's all about having fun. And if a kid is involved--all the better.

    confirm I am the winner and I will post a lot within 24 hours. Not sure if that complies with the rules...but I will be off line tomorrow day
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>may I intertwine?

    unless I am missing something we have a father and son excited about what they won, and apparently did not pony up enough on their "next" lot. Is that about it?

    If so, I will take their lot. It's all about having fun. And if a kid is involved--all the better.

    confirm I am the winner and I will post a lot within 24 hours. Not sure if that complies with the rules...but I will be off line tomorrow day >>



    Great gesture. It IS all about fun.

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    Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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    Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
  • BasherBoyBasherBoy Posts: 510 ✭✭


    << <i>Great gesture. It IS all about fun. >>



    awesome, let's do this and move along! Like to see it rolling again.
    Need PSA Indians/Browns
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    +1 flatfoot816

    I also agree with those that have basically said, we need to ignore book value and go cards "someone can appreciate." Otherwise this was quickly going to go likely out of my card price range before we even had a football card lot posted.

    We all view cards a little different, and I am still trying to keep card collecting a hobby for me. I have been a collectible dealer of one type or another for 25 years. Sometimes the more money one dumps into something, the less fun it becomes. So for me, I try to budget myself around a 100 a month. Mind you I imagine I usually spend a couple hundred, and its not that unusual for me to drop a grand in a month, but I do try to limit myself. But I do understand there is a whole world out there that has nothing to do with cards, and its not that bad of a world, despite what media might lead you believe. So please, lets keep this fun, and try to keep everything in perspective.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I think this is a great idea. That being said, it appears as though someone took a "killer" lot and left a substanially lesser lot behind. It had to happen sooner or later. As long as these cards have a substaniated "value" it is hard to play the game without assigning a monetary value to the cards. If too many people take the good lots and leave "junk" behind, then I am afraid this "game" will go bye-bye. Let me look through my collection and see what I can donate. I don't need anything in return.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Bobby ... I agree with your statement regarding the "values". HOWEVER, please do not put anything up on this thread, as it will get too confusing with more than one lot up at a time. Someone else was also generous and put up a lot without asking for anything in return and it just got too confusing.

    I guess if you want make a donation without taking anything in return, you could take a lot when it comes up and then when you Pay it Forward just add your cards to the lot you received.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    Nice flatfoot816!
  • churchiscoolchurchiscool Posts: 532 ✭✭
    quantity does not equal quality. it took 7 minutes for the nice lot to be claimed, yet it's taken 3 days to put up a bunch of crappy cards.

    i don't plan on participating, just an outsider view and maybe people's niceness is being taken advantage of. if you get a nice lot and don't want to put up anything of value, take what you need from the nice lot and offer the rest up.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>quantity does not equal quality. it took 7 minutes for the nice lot to be claimed, yet it's taken 3 days to put up a bunch of crappy cards.

    i don't plan on participating, just an outsider view and maybe people's niceness is being taken advantage of. >>




    It took 20 minutes for the guy to scan and put up cards. You may not think a bunch of worn vintage cards, mostly HOF'ers, was fair, but let's not make up sometime to slam the guy.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭✭
    The guy does not have to out do the last trade but at least be in the same ball park. I think the end up with a "52 Mantle" talk is extreme but taking a nice vintage lot and then offering up bird food is a little low. Just saying.
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    the way this thread is turning is somewhat nauseating. My decision to watch and not participate is looking like a good one. I'd hate to insult a good many of you for offering worn vintage or some crappy slabbed Brett Butler cards for somebody else to hopefully enjoy.

    OP, it was a heck of a nice idea. Shame to see pettiness and greed outweigh what you had envisioned.

  • obusek99obusek99 Posts: 262
    This has become quite a sad affair. Was the purpose of starting this to have fun and trade cards or was it to see who can be the big shot and give away the biggest or best lot of cards? And lets not forget...to ridicule those who do not offer cards we deem of enough value. Sounds like a party!

    J.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>the way this thread is turning is somewhat nauseating. My decision to watch and not participate is looking like a good one. I'd hate to insult a good many of you for offering worn vintage or some crappy slabbed Brett Butler cards for somebody else to hopefully enjoy.

    OP, it was a heck of a nice idea. Shame to see pettiness and greed outweigh what you had envisioned. >>




    Same reason I stayed out of secret santa this last year. I always gave well over the bottom line, but I didn't want thrown in a situation where some guy gave me a Steve Young signed jersey and the guy didn't like or already had the cards I sent, and was upset. Just best to avoid situations before they happen.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>the way this thread is turning is somewhat nauseating. My decision to watch and not participate is looking like a good one. I'd hate to insult a good many of you for offering worn vintage or some crappy slabbed Brett Butler cards for somebody else to hopefully enjoy.

    OP, it was a heck of a nice idea. Shame to see pettiness and greed outweigh what you had envisioned. >>




    Same reason I stayed out of secret santa this last year. I always gave well over the bottom line, but I didn't want thrown in a situation where some guy gave me a Steve Young signed jersey and the guy didn't like or already had the cards I sent, and was upset. Just best to avoid situations before they happen. >>



    The idea does not have to die, just some 2 cents being thrown in. Relax it's supposed to be fun image
  • CollectorAtWorkCollectorAtWork Posts: 859 ✭✭✭
    Anyway, I think flatfoot816 has already claimed the lot, so once this is confirmed, I think we should just get this going again. Since the OP started this, I think we should just go with his ideas on how he wants to do this going forward. As others have said, it's all in fun.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I equate it to winning the lottery. Yea, the $200 million was claimed and it started over at "only" $10 million.

    My personal point of view, and we had to do this at Christmas time with a large family. Put a dollar cap on it. Say $50. That way nobody feels as though someone is walking away with a generous lot with a high dollar value that everyone wanted and leaves behind "bird seed". If you keep the lots at around $50, no more no less, that should prevent the hard feelings of people missing out on lots, and others looking for a monetary "score".
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    I didn't plan on participating either. But for the kid--it is not a good intro to card collecting and we need as many new collectors that we can get.

    I will PM them and will have my lot up later today at some point.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>But for the kid--it is not a good intro to card collecting and we need as many new collectors that we can get. >>



    LOL! I understand what you are trying to say Flatfoot. I think the opposite though. For the kid, it was a GREAT intro into card collecting! Get $150 worth of cards and leave behind $10 worth. What a great trade for him! How do you think Bill Mastro got started??
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭

    LOL! I understand what you are trying to say Flatfoot. I think the opposite though. For the kid, it was a GREAT intro into card collecting! Get $150 worth of cards and leave behind $10 worth. What a great trade for him! How do you think Bill Mastro got started??


    and how do you think any of us got started? If he is gonna be the next Bill Mastro--remember me Kid !!! And frankly a good deal stokes the kid for further deals...and it is not about value. Maybe one of those cards means a lot to him....

    if you are worried about getting equal value--DON'T PLAY
  • kerryvillekerryville Posts: 341 ✭✭✭

    if you are worried about getting equal value--DON'T PLAY >>



    Amen flatfoot816
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    Looking for:
    1992 Collectors Edge Football case?
  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭
    Thanks guys, but can we please stop the discussion and just wait for flatfoot to post his cards? The last thing I'll say is BasherBoy (who posted the Aaron/Koufax lot) already got the cards he wanted from a previous poster. He chose to put up these nice cards, he wasn't due anything from fmaz. Let's try and keep the criticism off of this thread. If people start posting crappy lots and it dies, so be it. Thanks.

    And remember, the last (and most important) rule that was posted for this thread when I started it was...

    HAVE FUN!!!




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    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
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