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<< <i>The card arrived packaged poorly and I didn't make a stink about it because I was able to extract the card without it sustaining any damage. >>
So you paid $65.00 for a card that had, IMO, a good representative picture in the eBay ad. The seller sent you the exact card that you bought. It arrived in the same condition as you expected it to arrive. You received the same card in the same condition as hoped for. This deserves a NEUTRAL????????????
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Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
If you weren't happy with the card, why didn't you return it? >>
Because I wanted to keep it, even with the smudged signature, especially since it was my fault for not analyzing the scan prior to bidding. The poor packaging was not a valid reason to send it back, since the item wasn't damaged as a result of it. How much of a dick move would that have been to send it back for a refund due to the smudged autograph? That's the same as buying the wrong item because a buyer doesn't take the time to read the description and it turns out to be the wrong thing.
<< <i> If you were happy, why ask for the $25? >>
I was happy enough to keep the item and I was even happy enough to keep the item without posting a neutral or negative comment. But if this guy wants a positive so badly that he's going to ask for it two weeks after the fact, I figure I might as well get something out of it. I thought $25 was a fair number. I never expected he'd actually send a $25 refund. This is all fun and games to me.
<< <i>And most importantly, if you were asked for feedback and weren't happy with the way the transaction was conducted, why didn't you just ignore his request? >>
Because I thought he was out of line.
<< <i>I've had a couple of transactions that I wasn't 100% happy with, so I just didn't leave feedback. >>
That's EXACTLY what I did too..... until he e-mailed me out of the blue, requesting a positive that he didn't deserve.
<< <i>Is doing something that is both ethically wrong and clearly against ebay rules (putting your account at serious risk) preferable to just deleting the email? >>
You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think what I did was ethically wrong, and it's extremely debatable whether I broke ebay rules. In all seriousness, how was it ethically wrong? Again, I made it very clear that I did not want to be contacted by this seller any further, and that all he had to do to avoid a negative feedback was to stop contacting me. How is that wrong? I realize there's a curveball in here with the offer of a $25 bribe, but that's really not pertinent.
"If you want a positive, send me $25"
really has nothing to do with
"If you don't want a negative, just stop contacting me"
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Buying and selling on ebay seems to me to be too confrontational. It's a hobby we should enjoy. There is no reason to ridicule others in a public forum for what are at most minor irritations. Many don't like being asked for feedback but it happens and has been pointed out perhaps for good reason. I constantly read sellers complaining about buyers, then buyers complain about sellers and usually for minor pet peeves. It is one thing to warn others about scammers but some of the complaints have me scratching my head. If being bothered by a request for feedback is the worst thing that happens to you this year you are having a great year. Sadly it won't be as this thread has already far surpassed that. It may not be a bad idea to let the seller know you were only having some fun at his expense but now realize it was a mistake and apologize profusely.
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I know what I did was a bit of a dick move. But I was annoyed, and I think it's completely understandable why I'd be annoyed. The card arrived packaged poorly and I didn't make a stink about it because I was able to extract the card without it sustaining any damage. Two weeks later, a seller who received no feedback from me rather than the neutral I thought he deserved because I was being nice decided to send me an unsolicited message asking for a positive.
Okay, I understand this part and like griffins said, you could of just ignored it and delete the message and simply move on. Maybe you were having a bad day and the salvia kicked in while you were irritated. The bottom line is, your request was not for a partial refund , or a full refund for a SNAD since you didn't open a case and obviously content with the card. Your exact words were $25 for a positive. If I were the seller, i would of been happy with a "please don't ask for positive feedback, thank you" response. I would of gotten the hint.
<< <i>[So you paid $65.00 for a card that had, IMO, a good representative picture in the eBay ad. The seller sent you the exact card that you bought. It arrived in the same condition as you expected it to arrive. You received the same card in the same condition as hoped for. This deserves a NEUTRAL???????????? >>
We disagree that the picture in the ebay listing was a "good" representation of the card. I concede that it was "good enough," but it really wasn't good.
I have no proof, and I'm not making an outright accusation, but as I alluded to earlier, I think it's POSSIBLE that the seller MAY have strategically scanned or photographed the card at just the right angle to make the smudge in the autograph seem less significant than it really was by getting some glare directly on the affected spot. On the flip side, perhaps it was an oversight on both our parts combined with a little bad luck of where the glare hit the autograph. That being said, the smudge is not a major issue here. It was something worth mentioning, but it's really not a big deal. The fact that I had decided to keep the card in spite of the smudge proves this point.
Combined with the poor packaging, I legitimately think (as an ebay user of 14 years with zero negatives and feedback over 700) this transaction deserved either a neutral or nothing, based on everything I've just described.
<< <i>Okay, I understand this part and like griffins said, you could of just ignored it and delete the message and simply move on. Maybe you were having a bad day and the salvia kicked in while you were irritated. The bottom line is, your request was not for a partial refund , or a full refund for a SNAD since you didn't open a case and obviously content with the card. Your exact words were $25 for a positive. If I were the seller, i would of been happy with a "please don't ask for positive feedback, thank you" response. I would of gotten the hint. >>
Point taken. And seriously, I'm not on any drugs... just a bit crazy.
<< <i>Buying and selling on ebay seems to me to be too confrontational. It's a hobby we should enjoy. There is no reason to ridicule others in a public forum for what are at most minor irritations. Many don't like being asked for feedback but it happens and has been pointed out perhaps for good reason. I constantly read sellers complaining about buyers, then buyers complain about sellers and usually for minor pet peeves. It is one thing to warn others about scammers but some of the complaints have me scratching my head. If being bothered by a request for feedback is the worst thing that happens to you this year you are having a great year. Sadly it won't be as this thread has already far surpassed that. It may not be a bad idea to let the seller know you were only having some fun at his expense but now realize it was a mistake and apologize profusely. >>
I have a lot of respect for this post and this poster. To address an important point that actually was raised by otw on the first page, very early in the thread, the positive feedback request I received was not an automated message from ebay. It was clearly sent directly by/from the seller. It was even signed with his first name, which I did not copy when I pasted his exact words in the second paragraph of the first post of this thread.
<< <i>There is a bigger picture if you scroll down his auction for the card. >>
This is the "bigger" picture uploaded by the seller for placement in the ebay listing. He made no mention of the smudge or missing ink on the signature in the text description part of the listing, which was absolutely necessary in my opinion, due to the amount of glare hitting exactly on the affected area. I realize it's difficult to get a good picture of the missing ink because of the metallic finish of the sticker, but that's all the more reason to disclose it in the text description, which the seller failed to do.
Below is what the signature actually looks like in a picture I just took a couple minutes ago, not that it really matters, since this smudge by itself was not enough reason for me to ask the seller if I could return the card for a refund. I was content with the card, as EEK pointed out a few minutes ago, until the seller decided to stir things up by contacting me to request feedback. I'm still content with the card, but under the circumstances, the seller's request really irked me.
Nothing to do with this seller or this situation, but just talking in general now, people should be careful what they wish for, because they might get it.
All i got to say is WOW !! Item recieved as pictured. Something went wrong with packaging but item was still in the condition you paid for. Seller should recieve a positive feedback but if you had a complaint about the way the item was packaged you should have sent the seller a note to be carefull in the future.
As for the seller fishing for feedback ??? I get those types of e-mails from sellers who have over 20,000 positives. It's just there way of saying that they took the time to leave feedback for you so could you be so kind to leave positive feedback for me. If the seller does not recieve a complaint about the item then the seller assumes everything is okay and the transaction is over with and the buyer is happy. Since you never sent him an e-mail notifying him about the way item was packaged he didn't have a clue. So he sends out his automated responce threw e-bay asking for positive feedback. Trust me he did not send this responce to you by typing it in, it is automated and is legal to do so through e-bay.
So basically what you are saying that you could buy 100 different items from different sellers and if everybody had the automated responce asking for you to take the time to leave positive feedback and you e-mailed all 100 sellers asking for a refund or you will leave a negative ? All because of a automated e-mail ? Shame on you. I hope you get banned from e-bay for life. Steve
<< <i>There is a bigger picture if you scroll down his auction for the card. >>
This is the "bigger" picture uploaded by the seller for placement in the ebay listing. He made no mention of the smudge or missing ink on the signature in the text description part of the listing, which was absolutely necessary in my opinion, due to the amount of glare hitting exactly on the affected area. I realize it's difficult to get a good picture of the missing ink because of the metallic finish of the sticker, but that's all the more reason to disclose it in the text description, which the seller failed to do.
Below is what the signature actually looks like in a picture I just took a couple minutes ago, not that it really matters, since this smudge by itself was not enough reason for me to ask the seller if I could return the card for a refund. I was content with the card, as EEK pointed out a few minutes ago, until the seller decided to stir things up by contacting me to request feedback. I'm still content with the card, but under the circumstances, the seller's request really irked me.
Nothing to do with this seller or this situation, but just talking in general now, people should be careful what they wish for, because they might get it.
>>
Still won't man up. You seem to be the only one who doesn't see the sig clearly in the pictures the seller posted. Just admit it you didn't look at them closely.
<< <i>Still won't man up. You seem to be the only one who doesn't see the sig clearly in the pictures the seller posted. Just admit it you didn't look at them closely. >>
I already admitted this like 10 times. Are you blind? This is part of the reason I decided to keep the card two weeks ago. My fault for not investigating it more thoroughly before bidding.
That still doesn't change the fact that the seller's scan wasn't ideal, and it still doesn't absolve the seller for failing to disclose in the text portion of the description that part of the autograph had been smudged away. I have many autographed relic cards like this one, and I've never had a problem with a smudged signature like this before, so I'd have to conclude it's somewhat rare. This, undoubtedly, contributed to my carelessness in examining the scan prior to bidding, but on the other hand, since the seller had the card in hand, he had an even greater responsibility to make the description as clear as possible. He didn't.
I don't get why you have trouble understanding that both parties can be partially at fault.
This thread seems even more idiotic when you enlarge the sellers scan in the body of the listing. Stevie Wonder could see that smudge. Anybody who wouldn't take the extra second to click on that scan also wouldn't take the extra time to read a description. That's an asinine complaint and it never even should have been mentioned in the email to the seller.
<< <i>Item recieved as pictured. Something went wrong with packaging but item was still in the condition you paid for. Seller should recieve a positive feedback but if you had a complaint about the way the item was packaged you should have sent the seller a note to be carefull in the future. >>
No, it's not my obligation as the buyer to tell the seller what he did wrong unless I ask for a refund, which I did not.
<< <i>As for the seller fishing for feedback ??? I get those types of e-mails from sellers who have over 20,000 positives. It's just there way of saying that they took the time to leave feedback for you so could you be so kind to leave positive feedback for me. If the seller does not recieve a complaint about the item then the seller assumes everything is okay and the transaction is over with and the buyer is happy. Since you never sent him an e-mail notifying him about the way item was packaged he didn't have a clue. So he sends out his automated responce threw e-bay asking for positive feedback. Trust me he did not send this responce to you by typing it in, it is automated and is legal to do so through e-bay. >>
Why is it ok for the seller to assume anything? This is probably my biggest problem with the whole situation. He didn't write to me and say, "Hi there, I noticed the package was delivered two weeks ago using the tracking number, but you haven't posted positive feedback for me. I hope there weren't any problems, and if there were, please let me know what I can do to fix them." He ASSUMED everything was perfect, which it wasn't. He also assumed the only reason for the lack of pos. feedback is that I forgot about it, which I hadn't. Now that I think about it, that's what really pissed me off the most.
<< <i>This thread seems even more idiotic when you enlarge the sellers scan in the body of the listing. Stevie Wonder could see that smudge. Anybody who wouldn't take the extra second to click on that scan also wouldn't take the extra time to read a description. That's an asinine complaint and it never even should have been mentioned in the email to the seller. >>
I DID take the time to click on the larger scan and that flaw still didn't jump out at me. It should have, but if you had the card in hand, you'd see that the seller's scan is really a poor representation of the physical item.
It's easy to look at his scan and my photograph together and think his scan was more than sufficient, but considering the location and angle of the glare in his scan, I can tell you it wasn't. Like I said, it was good enough by ebay standards so that I, as the buyer, should (and I do) take responsibility for it, but it could have been a whole hell of a lot better.
This guy is quite a piece of work. I admit I'm a crazy dick, but he might be even crazier. He wrote back to me and proceeded to lecture about my "obligation to the ebay community to provide feedback."
Sorry guy, I bought an item from you. Once I paid for it, my obligation was fulfilled. End of story.
I'd send you a partial refund, well, at least I'd send you a box with a dirty diaper from my youngest. It'd smell a bit better than your ideas on this whole topic.
<< <i>Sorry, but this reads as feedback extortion no matter how carefully you feel you've worded it.
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CM, I'm confused why you believe you have broken no eBay rules when the eBay feedback manipulation policy clearly states that "Offering to sell, buy, barter, or give away Feedback" is not allowed.
In case your comprehension skills are a little diminished here is what you wrote : "If you want positive feedback on this transaction, you'll have to issue a partial refund of $25"
I do love your quote "My ability to interpret ebay rules without a law degree does not make me a hypocrite". So what does your inability to correctly interpret eBay rules make you?
Thanks for the entertaining thread. It was fun to watch you go batsh*t crazy over a feedback request. Cheers,
<< <i>Dig that hole deeper and deeper sir. You will refund me $25 or I will leave you a negative feedback. Do you need us to past eBay's definition of what feedback extortion is, because they could use your exact wording as the example for it. >>
No dude, I didn't tell him to refund me $25 to avoid a neg. I told him I'd sell him a positive for $25. All he has to do to avoid a neg is stop bothering me. >>
You should just stop. You're not helping yourself. Not only are you not helping yourself but it is a lost cause. Just the fact that you sent that email to someone speaks volumes about you IMO.
<< <i>Dig that hole deeper and deeper sir. You will refund me $25 or I will leave you a negative feedback. Do you need us to past eBay's definition of what feedback extortion is, because they could use your exact wording as the example for it. >>
No dude, I didn't tell him to refund me $25 to avoid a neg. I told him I'd sell him a positive for $25. All he has to do to avoid a neg is stop bothering me. >>
Don't worry. We'll all stop bothering you by blocking your I'D and refusing to do business with you.
You are now requesting that members of the board should some how look at this from a new perspective. The fact that he asked you to leave him feedback after he left you feedback is not grounds under any circumstances to attempt to bribe him to get you to leave feedback.
Period. >>
Maybe the OP can just start listing $1 auctions selling positive feedback. I'm sure EBay would go for that.
The part that a lot of people missed in this thread is that the OP never threatened to leave a neg if he didnt get a partial refund.
Was the email response to the feedback request distatsteful? YES.
Did the OP threaten to leave a neg? YES.
Was this neg contingent upon a $25 partial refund? NO.
The OP could have easily accomplished what he set out to accomplish without the offer of a positive for cash. Had he simply stated his concerns about the pictures and packaging, and then told the seller he was kind enough to not leave a neutral and instead left no feedback, he would have gotten the result he was looking for.....no more requests from the seller.
But when the OP decided to offer a positive in exchange for cash is when he went out of bounds. The OP should rethink HIS position/perspective in this case. An apology is due to the forum here, but more importantly to the seller of the card.
For future reference Crazymind, when you receive an item through ebay that you deem unsatisfactory in ANY way, shape or form.....the correct course of action is to then either:
A) Send it back for refund (only neg if seller resists) Keep the card and immediately leave either neutral or positive feedback.
In almost 7 years on ebay, I have left exactly 1 neutral, and that was for an item that was postmarked 22 days after I paid.
The irony is that this all started because he asked for positive feedback, which would not have helped him in any significant way. >>
It actually started when YOU did not examine the item YOU were buying. >>
Actually it didn't, since the smudge on the autograph is really nothing more than a tangential issue in this entire situation.
I didn't think the guy deserved positive feedback, so I didn't post any for him. When he later requested positive feedback, I offered to sell him some.
Even if not for the smudge, he still wouldn't have deserved positive feedback due to poor packaging.
So your point is really moot. >>
So here is some possible helpful future advice that you may or may not take. If a seller emails you and asks for feedback(essentially he is asking if you are a satisfied customer, nothing wrong with that), you could have just emailed him and told him your concerns in a polite way. Or you could have just ignored him. But for some reason you think the way you handled it was better than the suggestion I am making? Come on man, sounds like you are the one who needs a different perspective on this.
<< <i>The part that a lot of people missed in this thread is that the OP never threatened to leave a neg if he didnt get a partial refund.
Was the email response to the feedback request distatsteful? YES.
Did the OP threaten to leave a neg? YES.
Was this neg contingent upon a $25 partial refund? NO.
The OP could have easily accomplished what he set out to accomplish without the offer of a positive for cash. Had he simply stated his concerns about the pictures and packaging, and then told the seller he was kind enough to not leave a neutral and instead left no feedback, he would have gotten the result he was looking for.....no more requests from the seller.
But when the OP decided to offer a positive in exchange for cash is when he went out of bounds. The OP should rethink HIS position/perspective in this case. An apology is due to the forum here, but more importantly to the seller of the card.
For future reference Crazymind, when you receive an item through ebay that you deem unsatisfactory in ANY way, shape or form.....the correct course of action is to then either:
A) Send it back for refund (only neg if seller resists) Keep the card and immediately leave either neutral or positive feedback.
In almost 7 years on ebay, I have left exactly 1 neutral, and that was for an item that was postmarked 22 days after I paid. >>
Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!!
OTW, can you imagine a seller sending you the wrong card.......and then you being honest enough to email the seller to make them aware of their mistake....and then request funds to forward that card to the intended buyer.....and the seller not responding to you?
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<< <i>The card arrived packaged poorly and I didn't make a stink about it because I was able to extract the card without it sustaining any damage. >>
So you paid $65.00 for a card that had, IMO, a good representative picture in the eBay ad. The seller sent you the exact card that you bought. It arrived in the same condition as you expected it to arrive. You received the same card in the same condition as hoped for. This deserves a NEUTRAL????????????
Doug
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<< <i>Ok, lets try a different perspective.
If you weren't happy with the card, why didn't you return it? >>
Because I wanted to keep it, even with the smudged signature, especially since it was my fault for not analyzing the scan prior to bidding. The poor packaging was not a valid reason to send it back, since the item wasn't damaged as a result of it. How much of a dick move would that have been to send it back for a refund due to the smudged autograph? That's the same as buying the wrong item because a buyer doesn't take the time to read the description and it turns out to be the wrong thing.
<< <i> If you were happy, why ask for the $25? >>
I was happy enough to keep the item and I was even happy enough to keep the item without posting a neutral or negative comment. But if this guy wants a positive so badly that he's going to ask for it two weeks after the fact, I figure I might as well get something out of it. I thought $25 was a fair number. I never expected he'd actually send a $25 refund. This is all fun and games to me.
<< <i>And most importantly, if you were asked for feedback and weren't happy with the way the transaction was conducted, why didn't you just ignore his request? >>
Because I thought he was out of line.
<< <i>I've had a couple of transactions that I wasn't 100% happy with, so I just didn't leave feedback. >>
That's EXACTLY what I did too..... until he e-mailed me out of the blue, requesting a positive that he didn't deserve.
<< <i>Is doing something that is both ethically wrong and clearly against ebay rules (putting your account at serious risk) preferable to just deleting the email? >>
You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think what I did was ethically wrong, and it's extremely debatable whether I broke ebay rules. In all seriousness, how was it ethically wrong? Again, I made it very clear that I did not want to be contacted by this seller any further, and that all he had to do to avoid a negative feedback was to stop contacting me. How is that wrong? I realize there's a curveball in here with the offer of a $25 bribe, but that's really not pertinent.
"If you want a positive, send me $25"
really has nothing to do with
"If you don't want a negative, just stop contacting me"
Nope; not yet.
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Okay, I understand this part and like griffins said, you could of just ignored it and delete the message and simply move on. Maybe you were having a bad day and the salvia kicked in while you were irritated.
The bottom line is, your request was not for a partial refund , or a full refund for a SNAD since you didn't open a case and obviously content with the card. Your exact words were $25 for a positive.
If I were the seller, i would of been happy with a "please don't ask for positive feedback, thank you" response. I would of gotten the hint.
<< <i>[So you paid $65.00 for a card that had, IMO, a good representative picture in the eBay ad. The seller sent you the exact card that you bought. It arrived in the same condition as you expected it to arrive. You received the same card in the same condition as hoped for. This deserves a NEUTRAL???????????? >>
We disagree that the picture in the ebay listing was a "good" representation of the card. I concede that it was "good enough," but it really wasn't good.
I have no proof, and I'm not making an outright accusation, but as I alluded to earlier, I think it's POSSIBLE that the seller MAY have strategically scanned or photographed the card at just the right angle to make the smudge in the autograph seem less significant than it really was by getting some glare directly on the affected spot. On the flip side, perhaps it was an oversight on both our parts combined with a little bad luck of where the glare hit the autograph. That being said, the smudge is not a major issue here. It was something worth mentioning, but it's really not a big deal. The fact that I had decided to keep the card in spite of the smudge proves this point.
Combined with the poor packaging, I legitimately think (as an ebay user of 14 years with zero negatives and feedback over 700) this transaction deserved either a neutral or nothing, based on everything I've just described.
<< <i>Okay, I understand this part and like griffins said, you could of just ignored it and delete the message and simply move on. Maybe you were having a bad day and the salvia kicked in while you were irritated.
The bottom line is, your request was not for a partial refund , or a full refund for a SNAD since you didn't open a case and obviously content with the card. Your exact words were $25 for a positive.
If I were the seller, i would of been happy with a "please don't ask for positive feedback, thank you" response. I would of gotten the hint. >>
Point taken. And seriously, I'm not on any drugs... just a bit crazy.
<< <i>
...and it's extremely debatable whether I broke ebay rules. >>
Are you stupid Gump? - This is what comes to mind when I read your statement.
<< <i>Buying and selling on ebay seems to me to be too confrontational. It's a hobby we should enjoy. There is no reason to ridicule others in a public forum for what are at most minor irritations. Many don't like being asked for feedback but it happens and has been pointed out perhaps for good reason. I constantly read sellers complaining about buyers, then buyers complain about sellers and usually for minor pet peeves. It is one thing to warn others about scammers but some of the complaints have me scratching my head. If being bothered by a request for feedback is the worst thing that happens to you this year you are having a great year. Sadly it won't be as this thread has already far surpassed that. It may not be a bad idea to let the seller know you were only having some fun at his expense but now realize it was a mistake and apologize profusely. >>
I have a lot of respect for this post and this poster. To address an important point that actually was raised by otw on the first page, very early in the thread, the positive feedback request I received was not an automated message from ebay. It was clearly sent directly by/from the seller. It was even signed with his first name, which I did not copy when I pasted his exact words in the second paragraph of the first post of this thread.
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<< <i>There is a bigger picture if you scroll down his auction for the card.
This is the "bigger" picture uploaded by the seller for placement in the ebay listing. He made no mention of the smudge or missing ink on the signature in the text description part of the listing, which was absolutely necessary in my opinion, due to the amount of glare hitting exactly on the affected area. I realize it's difficult to get a good picture of the missing ink because of the metallic finish of the sticker, but that's all the more reason to disclose it in the text description, which the seller failed to do.
Below is what the signature actually looks like in a picture I just took a couple minutes ago, not that it really matters, since this smudge by itself was not enough reason for me to ask the seller if I could return the card for a refund. I was content with the card, as EEK pointed out a few minutes ago, until the seller decided to stir things up by contacting me to request feedback. I'm still content with the card, but under the circumstances, the seller's request really irked me.
Nothing to do with this seller or this situation, but just talking in general now, people should be careful what they wish for, because they might get it.
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Item recieved as pictured.
Something went wrong with packaging but item was still in the condition you paid for.
Seller should recieve a positive feedback but if you had a complaint about the way the item was packaged you should have sent the seller a note to be carefull in the future.
As for the seller fishing for feedback ??? I get those types of e-mails from sellers who have over 20,000 positives. It's just there way of saying that they took the time to leave feedback for you so could you be so kind to leave positive feedback for me.
If the seller does not recieve a complaint about the item then the seller assumes everything is okay and the transaction is over with and the buyer is happy. Since you never sent him an e-mail notifying him about the way item was packaged he didn't have a clue. So he sends out his automated responce threw e-bay asking for positive feedback. Trust me he did not send this responce to you by typing it in, it is automated and is legal to do so through e-bay.
So basically what you are saying that you could buy 100 different items from different sellers and if everybody had the automated responce asking for you to take the time to leave positive feedback and you e-mailed all 100 sellers asking for a refund or you will leave a negative ? All because of a automated e-mail ?
Shame on you. I hope you get banned from e-bay for life.
Steve
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<< <i>There is a bigger picture if you scroll down his auction for the card.
This is the "bigger" picture uploaded by the seller for placement in the ebay listing. He made no mention of the smudge or missing ink on the signature in the text description part of the listing, which was absolutely necessary in my opinion, due to the amount of glare hitting exactly on the affected area. I realize it's difficult to get a good picture of the missing ink because of the metallic finish of the sticker, but that's all the more reason to disclose it in the text description, which the seller failed to do.
Below is what the signature actually looks like in a picture I just took a couple minutes ago, not that it really matters, since this smudge by itself was not enough reason for me to ask the seller if I could return the card for a refund. I was content with the card, as EEK pointed out a few minutes ago, until the seller decided to stir things up by contacting me to request feedback. I'm still content with the card, but under the circumstances, the seller's request really irked me.
Nothing to do with this seller or this situation, but just talking in general now, people should be careful what they wish for, because they might get it.
Still won't man up. You seem to be the only one who doesn't see the sig clearly in the pictures the seller posted. Just admit it you didn't look at them closely.
<< <i>You sir are an A-Hole of epic proportions. >>
I think this about sums it up
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I love how a simple "Hey, could you please leave feedback for me" e-mail, is "stirring things up".
I'd hate to see what this loose cannon does when a seller sends him an INVOICE.
<< <i>Still won't man up. You seem to be the only one who doesn't see the sig clearly in the pictures the seller posted. Just admit it you didn't look at them closely. >>
I already admitted this like 10 times. Are you blind? This is part of the reason I decided to keep the card two weeks ago. My fault for not investigating it more thoroughly before bidding.
That still doesn't change the fact that the seller's scan wasn't ideal, and it still doesn't absolve the seller for failing to disclose in the text portion of the description that part of the autograph had been smudged away. I have many autographed relic cards like this one, and I've never had a problem with a smudged signature like this before, so I'd have to conclude it's somewhat rare. This, undoubtedly, contributed to my carelessness in examining the scan prior to bidding, but on the other hand, since the seller had the card in hand, he had an even greater responsibility to make the description as clear as possible. He didn't.
I don't get why you have trouble understanding that both parties can be partially at fault.
<< <i>Item recieved as pictured.
Something went wrong with packaging but item was still in the condition you paid for.
Seller should recieve a positive feedback but if you had a complaint about the way the item was packaged you should have sent the seller a note to be carefull in the future. >>
No, it's not my obligation as the buyer to tell the seller what he did wrong unless I ask for a refund, which I did not.
<< <i>As for the seller fishing for feedback ??? I get those types of e-mails from sellers who have over 20,000 positives. It's just there way of saying that they took the time to leave feedback for you so could you be so kind to leave positive feedback for me.
If the seller does not recieve a complaint about the item then the seller assumes everything is okay and the transaction is over with and the buyer is happy. Since you never sent him an e-mail notifying him about the way item was packaged he didn't have a clue. So he sends out his automated responce threw e-bay asking for positive feedback. Trust me he did not send this responce to you by typing it in, it is automated and is legal to do so through e-bay. >>
Why is it ok for the seller to assume anything? This is probably my biggest problem with the whole situation. He didn't write to me and say, "Hi there, I noticed the package was delivered two weeks ago using the tracking number, but you haven't posted positive feedback for me. I hope there weren't any problems, and if there were, please let me know what I can do to fix them." He ASSUMED everything was perfect, which it wasn't. He also assumed the only reason for the lack of pos. feedback is that I forgot about it, which I hadn't. Now that I think about it, that's what really pissed me off the most.
<< <i>This thread seems even more idiotic when you enlarge the sellers scan in the body of the listing. Stevie Wonder could see that smudge. Anybody who wouldn't take the extra second to click on that scan also wouldn't take the extra time to read a description. That's an asinine complaint and it never even should have been mentioned in the email to the seller. >>
I DID take the time to click on the larger scan and that flaw still didn't jump out at me. It should have, but if you had the card in hand, you'd see that the seller's scan is really a poor representation of the physical item.
It's easy to look at his scan and my photograph together and think his scan was more than sufficient, but considering the location and angle of the glare in his scan, I can tell you it wasn't. Like I said, it was good enough by ebay standards so that I, as the buyer, should (and I do) take responsibility for it, but it could have been a whole hell of a lot better.
Sorry guy, I bought an item from you. Once I paid for it, my obligation was fulfilled. End of story.
Oh, and for making a thread about it
Usually I hate waking up early, but that was a good read.
<< <i>Sorry, but this reads as feedback extortion no matter how carefully you feel you've worded it.
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I'm confused why you believe you have broken no eBay rules when the eBay feedback manipulation policy clearly states that "Offering to sell, buy, barter, or give away Feedback" is not allowed.
In case your comprehension skills are a little diminished here is what you wrote : "If you want positive feedback on this transaction, you'll have to issue a partial refund of $25"
I do love your quote "My ability to interpret ebay rules without a law degree does not make me a hypocrite". So what does your inability to correctly interpret eBay rules make you?
Thanks for the entertaining thread. It was fun to watch you go batsh*t crazy over a feedback request.
Cheers,
Robb
Dave
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<< <i>Dig that hole deeper and deeper sir. You will refund me $25 or I will leave you a negative feedback. Do you need us to past eBay's definition of what feedback extortion is, because they could use your exact wording as the example for it. >>
No dude, I didn't tell him to refund me $25 to avoid a neg. I told him I'd sell him a positive for $25. All he has to do to avoid a neg is stop bothering me. >>
You should just stop. You're not helping yourself. Not only are you not helping yourself but it is a lost cause. Just the fact that you sent that email to someone speaks volumes about you IMO.
just kidding already in
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<< <i>Dig that hole deeper and deeper sir. You will refund me $25 or I will leave you a negative feedback. Do you need us to past eBay's definition of what feedback extortion is, because they could use your exact wording as the example for it. >>
No dude, I didn't tell him to refund me $25 to avoid a neg. I told him I'd sell him a positive for $25. All he has to do to avoid a neg is stop bothering me. >>
Don't worry. We'll all stop bothering you by blocking your I'D and refusing to do business with you.
<< <i>Sorry this hole is getting much deeper.
You are now requesting that members of the board should some how look at this from a new perspective. The fact that he asked you to leave him feedback after he left you feedback is not grounds under any circumstances to attempt to bribe him to get you to leave feedback.
Period. >>
Maybe the OP can just start listing $1 auctions selling positive feedback. I'm sure EBay would go for that.
Was the email response to the feedback request distatsteful? YES.
Did the OP threaten to leave a neg? YES.
Was this neg contingent upon a $25 partial refund? NO.
The OP could have easily accomplished what he set out to accomplish without the offer of a positive for cash. Had he simply stated his concerns about the pictures and packaging, and then told the seller he was kind enough to not leave a neutral and instead left no feedback, he would have gotten the result he was looking for.....no more requests from the seller.
But when the OP decided to offer a positive in exchange for cash is when he went out of bounds. The OP should rethink HIS position/perspective in this case. An apology is due to the forum here, but more importantly to the seller of the card.
For future reference Crazymind, when you receive an item through ebay that you deem unsatisfactory in ANY way, shape or form.....the correct course of action is to then either:
A) Send it back for refund (only neg if seller resists)
In almost 7 years on ebay, I have left exactly 1 neutral, and that was for an item that was postmarked 22 days after I paid.
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The irony is that this all started because he asked for positive feedback, which would not have helped him in any significant way. >>
It actually started when YOU did not examine the item YOU were buying. >>
Actually it didn't, since the smudge on the autograph is really nothing more than a tangential issue in this entire situation.
I didn't think the guy deserved positive feedback, so I didn't post any for him. When he later requested positive feedback, I offered to sell him some.
Even if not for the smudge, he still wouldn't have deserved positive feedback due to poor packaging.
So your point is really moot. >>
So here is some possible helpful future advice that you may or may not take. If a seller emails you and asks for feedback(essentially he is asking if you are a satisfied customer, nothing wrong with that), you could have just emailed him and told him your concerns in a polite way. Or you could have just ignored him. But for some reason you think the way you handled it was better than the suggestion I am making? Come on man, sounds like you are the one who needs a different perspective on this.
<< <i>The part that a lot of people missed in this thread is that the OP never threatened to leave a neg if he didnt get a partial refund.
Was the email response to the feedback request distatsteful? YES.
Did the OP threaten to leave a neg? YES.
Was this neg contingent upon a $25 partial refund? NO.
The OP could have easily accomplished what he set out to accomplish without the offer of a positive for cash. Had he simply stated his concerns about the pictures and packaging, and then told the seller he was kind enough to not leave a neutral and instead left no feedback, he would have gotten the result he was looking for.....no more requests from the seller.
But when the OP decided to offer a positive in exchange for cash is when he went out of bounds. The OP should rethink HIS position/perspective in this case. An apology is due to the forum here, but more importantly to the seller of the card.
For future reference Crazymind, when you receive an item through ebay that you deem unsatisfactory in ANY way, shape or form.....the correct course of action is to then either:
A) Send it back for refund (only neg if seller resists)
In almost 7 years on ebay, I have left exactly 1 neutral, and that was for an item that was postmarked 22 days after I paid. >>
Can you imagine if Crazy had gotten the wrong card and instead got a card intended for someone else? He might have held it hostage and extorted the seller... Gecko should be the last one explaining the etiquette of dealing with eBay sellers!!!